English managers are not tactical. La Masia kids learn complex tactics from a very young age. English academies have improved a lot tactically over the years, but kids today are not turning into managers yet. In the past, Spanish midfielders would build up step by step in a methodical way. English midfielders would play long ball forward without much thinking. That’s why managers like Lampard and Gerrard are not very tactical. There are no complexity in their tactics. A lot of English managers didn’t have the opportunity to learn from Pep (easily the greatest ever tactician in football history). So they don’t know how to divide a tactics into thousands of pieces and coach them into their players. They don’t know how to play a tactical chess game.
A lot of England fans would despise Klopp because of his association with Liverpool. Let's not forget that in the 70's and 80's Liverpool were the dominant force in English football with eleven league titles and seven 2nd place finishes in 19 seasons from 1972/73 until 1990/91 Klopp had a far better legacy and overall connection with the fanbase and even the City at Liverpool than Tuchel did at Chelsea. He defended Liverpool fans booing God Save the Queen in the FA Cup final and a lot of people not only hate Liverpool fans but scousers in general.
It’s honestly crazy that people don’t want Tuchel as manager. He brought PSG and Chelsea to 2 finals in the span of a year. He took Chelsea to 6 finals
his knockout record isn't all that good though. He lost 2 finals at Wembley on penalties. The only final he won was during covid. Let's not talk about that though because it doesn't suit the agenda that Tuchel is suddenly the greatest manager of all time
Brazil is facing a similar dilemma with the possibility of a foreign manager: - The Brazilian people think that no brazilian coach is good enough for the Seleção. - The impact that both Abel Ferreira and Jorge Jesus left in the Brasileirão and Libertadores with Palmeiras and Flamengo. - A lot of the best coaches in Brasileirão are foreign (Abel Ferreira, Juan Pablo Vojvoda, Arthur Jorge, Luiz Zubeldía, Gabriel Milito, Ramón Díaz and Pedro Caixinha). - The Failures of the Best Brazilian coaches to bring good performances after Tite left (Dorival Junior and Fernando Diniz) - CBF trying and failing miserably to bring Carlo Ancelotti and creating this theory that we could have a foreign manager.
When it costs 13,500 to finish your coaching licences here, you wonder why no English managers are showing up anymore. Costs 1.2k in Spain and 500 Euros in Germany. Insane that we are blaming the German for taking and England job and not the system for being greedy.
Sorry but I honestly think what happens in the women's game is irrelevant to the men's. The differences are massive and to many to draw meaningful comparisons.
@@luciusesox1luckysox570 cool - name at least 3 differences that make the analogy irrelevant and void. It's the same sport and in this case the same principle.
@luciusesox1luckysox570 you're on your own on this one. The US said nothing about hiring an English person as they're the best person. We're hiring a CL winner off the back of 2 finals in 3 years. Where is our usual over-optimism? Gender shouldn't be a factor when it comes to nationalism.
If he doesn't win the world cup, which is very difficult, them lots gonna go 'I told you so'. They're just winding up for a 'gotcha' moment for some internet brownie points by pretending to have any amount of ball knowledge. Take note of every single public personality slagging Tuchel just for being a German, and publish it under their socials for every win he got in the world cup.
I'll listen to the people that say stuff like "it doesnt feel right" and complain about the nationality when they can name an English manager on the same level as Tuchel
Opposition to the idea of a foreign national head coach is not unique to England. The policy of all major footballing nations is to strongly prefer their own coaches for that position. I haven't done a comprehensive review, but here are a few: - Germany has never had a foreign head coach. - Brazil has not had a foreign head coach since 1944, when a Portuguese coach managed them for two friendlies. - Italy has not had a foreign head coach except for a brief spell in the '60s when Helenio Herrera (of Inter fame) was co-manager (with an Italian). If any of these countries (among others) found themselves in a position where they were toying with the idea of appointing a foreign coach, the result would be exactly the same kind of media storm seen in England now - nothing about this is a uniquely English pathology (including the overlap with xenophobia). Worse still if the coach being considered (much less appointed) hailed from a major footballing rival by nationality. The difference is that all of these countries would take corrective action to ensure that they had qualified coaches in the future, not just the short-term solution of a foreign coach (or an unqualified one, like Southgate). In fact, we can even argue that this is something like what happened in Germany when they made Klinsmann manager: he was not really qualified for the position (and the quality of players available to him was middling to poor by German standards), but he was able to restore positivity about the German national team, while in the mean time a programme to reform German football was under way. That saw results not only in a very talented and successful generation of players for the German national team, but also a new wave of young German coaches who have been in demand all over Europe. The English FA is incapable of anything similar. We see more talented English players these days because wealthy *clubs* have motivations to produce them. They don't have the same motivation to produce talented English managers. The FA has no serious programme for it. So this problem that's lasted about 30 years will continue, as the FA is a product of the rot in British society in general.
Thank you. Some common sense. I'm not even English, but as you say, this situation isn't unique to England. Countries across the world typically prefer their own citizen to head their national team.
That article from the Daily Mail was just peak mindless nationalism. I first heard about this from Zealand last night and he made a comment about "This sounds like something ChatGPT would spit out if you asked it: Write me the most nationalist response to the English National Football Team hiring a German manager." So I did it. ChatGPT actually wrote a BETTER and MORE LOGICAL article. Yes, it was all rah-rah-crown-and-country, but it had better takes than most of these English rantboxes I've seen seeing.
I'm sorry but apart from Eddie Howe, which English manager could be considered competent to win the WC? Sure Thomas Tuchel may be a German taking over England but give him a break; he won the UCL with a Chelsea team made by Lampard
I think in a couple years Liam Rosenior will have gained enough experience to become the England manager, but other than that there aren't many alternatives that aren't complete shit
They wanted Pep but when they got a different foreign manager they suddenly cry about it needing to be an English manager Tf nationality do they think Pep is 😂
The most qualified person got the job, simple as that. I don’t care if he’s not from Doncaster, I only care about the success of the England national team, which he’ll bring
The problem isn't signing a foreign manager, the problem is having to sign him because there are no english managers that are on the level of the squad
Tuchel is probably the club manager who is most adaptable to international football. In fact, Tuchel feels much more comfortable in knock-off tournaments than in a league season. One of the big problems England has is that there is no learning line/philosophy like there is in Argentina, Spain or Germany. Most of the english managers "learn" by managing in the lower categories and end up managing as a team in the lower categories is managed, not a team that wants to win titles
Yeah the responce from the media and a few has just been rediculous, I’m English and I’m perfectly happy to have Tuchel in charge, he’s clearly better than anyone we could reasonably get right now, and I wish him all the success.
Generally speaking, being from the nation you're managing does have an advantage, which is why alot of the recent international tournament wins, have been with managers native to their team, but realistically the only English manager who's good enough right now that with the advantage I mentioned would make them a better option than Tuchel is Eddie Howe, but he's not available so if it's a choice between any available English managers or Tuchel, then the choice is obvious
As a German I find it funny to see how the English media reacts to this. My immediate thought when Tuchel was announced was like: "Wow. They are going to burn something down in England now."
They always say "England National Football Team's managers should be English" but never say "England National Football Team's managers should be good enough." No wonder why they're shite every tournament especially playing against champions like Spain, Italy, France, etc. The only thing England is still talked about is their brilliantly talented individuals, but as a team, this national club is a miscommunication.
People are moaning over England having a foreign manager but have no issue with English leauge clubs having foreign managers. Make it make sense 🙄 doesn't matter if hes germaman. The world war has nothing to do with football.
All these English pundits mouthing off, not got the bottle to manage themselves, just happy to chat crap. And when they do try the fail like Neville, who did not deserve the Valencia job in the first place.
I don't get the hate. Didn't England already had foreign managers for their national team?? Also what did English managers have done with England national team for the past 12 years?
Yeah exactly. Still I would prefer Pep over Southgate as Sweden National Team coach. Finland is the little brother they can have Southgate if they want him.
it’s really funny how prideful English pundits are even though they haven’t won anything since the 60s and most of the national teams they played for are considered the biggest wastes
Being Belgian, I know what it's like to have a golden generation and seeing it fall short. We hired some bloke who managed Everton and finished third in a World Cup we could and probably should have won. On paper, England has had the most talented young lineup in both the past 2 Euros & World Cup. You could've won two of these, easily, but didn't. At the hands of a stubborn manager, like we had with Roberto Martinez. A golden generation like yours, deserves an absolute TOP manager who has seen it all and brought success to his teams. He could be some Argentinian guy for all I care, the nationality of that manager does not matter. Capitalise on this generation. You have to. Tuchel could be the right man for sure.
To be honest the Belgium golden generation had problems beyond the manager.having players who don't get along in the squad and a guy like Lukaku who flops in big games won't do you any good in tournaments
Lol what, england has the best young crop of players the last two euros? U do know France exists right. Winning an international Tournament is a privilege not a right, u didn't deserve the world cup anymore than anyone else. Such hubris without any accomplishments.
@@lloydlebelo4623 I think people really overestimate the impact of these problems. I imagine you're talking KDB and Courtois. And Lukaku wasn't what he is now. He was reliable and had confidence.
The outdated debate is reminiscent to WW2. Unbelievable that he has got this reception despite being the best candidate for the job. Would Lee Carsley, the IRISHMAN, be the preference?
We are talking about a coach that won the champions league with Chelsea. A coach that made Chelsea one of the best teams in England. And people are hating. Neville and Carragher are complaining even though they were managed by Erikkson for England. No one would be complaining if guardiola joined or klopp. What’s the beef with tuchel?? What is this media mate? 😑
We shouldn't just put people in place, cause of their nationality. We should appoint people who are right for the job. Cause lets face it, if Tuchel wins England a trohpy, they'll be all over him. Loving him etc. Without even acknowledging their past comments. If they want the England head coach to be English, then they need to do better in promoting the English coaching game.
I'm actually shocked how England has so many issues developing great coaches. Undoubtedly one of the top nations when it comes to football, yet every top club in the premier league is managed by a foreigner as well. As a german it baffles me that there is literally no a single elite coach among englishmen that is deemed worthy to even get a fair shot at a top club in the premier league. Changes need to be made for sure on developing english coaches. I refuse to believe there aren't talented guys out there, but if the don't get a chance to develop and learn it becomes a self-made problem in England.
I think a lot of it has to do with the media and general culture around football. We tend to be very short sighted over here when it comes to managers and they can quickly go from being perceived as a very talented manager to utterly out of depth. Take Rob Edwards of Luton as a prime example. This time last season his stock was at an all time high, he'd brought an unfancied Luton up and while they were losing games they were putting a dogged shift into every game. Inevitably they went down but they could hold their heads high and Edwards rightfully received a lot of praise. This season though with Luton currently 21st? Edwards is seen as a one season wonder who was riding on the coattails of Nathan Jones. We love nothing more than writing someone off and not giving them a chance lol. One failure at a club pretty much dooms your career nowadays and it's very difficult for a manager to bounce back. If Edwards ends up getting sacked by Luton then he'll probably end up with an unfancied midtable championship club, someone like a Preston, QPR or Cardiff. Right now we do have a few up and coming English managers, guys like Des Buckingham of Oxford, Carrick of Middlesbrough, Skubala of Lincoln and Rosenier at Strasbourg. But if any of them fail they'll just be written off and doomed to the lower leagues. You have to bare in mind too that the EFL's are arguably the most competitive and professional structure of anywhere in the world. In Germany for example your 2 Bundesliga is a very competitive and high quality league but the quality drops off massively in the 3rd and 4th tiers whereas those leagues are still professional here and have some good players in them. So it's much harder for a younger manager to really make a name for themselves as the standard of coaching at those levels are already quite high.
2:45 Beyond NOT winning the Premier League. 1997 was the last time a English manager ended 2nd. Keegan with Newcastle. Now are you ready for this? You need to go back to 2002/2003 to find a English manager finishing top 3. Bobby Robson also with Newcastle. Top 4? Bobby Robson retired in 2004. Since only 4 times did an english manager achieved top 4. 2009/2010+2011/2012 Harry Redknapp with Tottenham. 2019/2020 Frank Lampard with Chelsea. 2022/2023 Eddie Howe with Newcastle. 20 years. 4 Top 4s. Not one Top 3. It's abysmal.
i honestly thought that when the news broke about Tuchel was announced as England boss, there would be sense of respect, like no arguments on social media because England had just appointed a winner, that's what he is. But then to see the negative articles and responses is just shocking, Southgate wasn't a good enough coach for international level and when 1 who is gets appointed, there's uproar
I have never seen such a weird and stupid reaction a managerial appointment in any sport ever. Sven and Fabio were welcomed. This is, on paper a much better appointment then any England manager in decades. Time will tell. But certainly it is the best available coach in world football. The fa have smashed it.
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Love the appointment of Thomas Tuchel. Can't wait for the world cup. As an 18 year old I do not understand why people are so adamant on having an English manager. I do not care about what nationality our national team manager is as long as they offer exciting football. Southgate did not 💀
As a Chelsea fan, we all know that Tuchel is what we need. Chilwell LB, you heard it here first Small correction: Carsley is English. Born here, lived here, both parents English, but with Irish heritage
The fact that there was possibly only one viable English option at all (Howe - but he's tied up with Newcastle) and that there has never been an English manager winning the Premiership is more of a sad indictment of the current coaching system we have in England and the FA. This is not Tuchel's fault nor is it his problem to fix. Furthermore, we also have had a foreign female coach with the Lionesses for a number of years (she's Dutch), but that's not been a problem, especially the success with a Euros win and a first World cup final. So why is having the same for the men's side such a problem?
England national team with an ACTUAL COUCH is so scary cause they have SUCH great players but... the only thing the english media can THINK OF is that the man is german...ffs drowning in a puddle situation
Jose Mourinho speaks 5 languages fluently, Tuchel like 4 and Guardiola now is at least 4. Alonso at least 4. The biggest hinderance is that english coaches probably can't manage a modern multilingual and multinational top team, Ironically is Hodgson can impressively speak 5+ languages.
Strange how the likes of Carragher and Neville played for England under Sven, they didn’t seem to have an issue with a Swede managing the team. Personally, I don’t care where the manager is from as long as he gets the team playing half decent football so I may actually be bothered to watch them.
It seems england fans agree tuchel was a good appointment, all the media seems to have an issue. Surprise surprise the people employed to talk about football seem to be the most out of touch
As a Pole I think that coach's nationality is not too important. More important thing is his abilities. In 21st century we've had 3 non-polish coaches: 1 dutch and 2 portuguese. Leo Beenhakker was good (we advanced to EURO 2008), Paulo Sousa was not bad, but he was a liar and ran away like a rat from sinking ship before World Cup 2022 play-offs and Fernando Santos, which was a lazy piece of shit.
The people talking like this is some atrocity clearly dont know about history before the 1930s. The ethnic english ancestors of today (Saxons and Jutes) migrated to England from Germany.
I think many pundits are missing the point, we all agree that it would be preferable to have an English manager, but when there is such a disparity between Tuchel and all the English options in terms of quality, surely the extra chance of winning something is more important. We all know the punditry world is pure chumocracy, if it had been Klopp Carragher would have been all over it, if it was Guardiola, Neville would have jizzed his pants, because none of them have a personal relationship with Tuchel they don't support him.
German here, and I joked that Tuchel should be tried for treason in Germany for becoming England manager, but just a joke given our rivalry. And I genuinely don’t mind a foreigner as Bundestrainer. But seriously, I expected English black humour or sarcasm about this at worst, not outright hate from the media and those useless pundits.
Bro, as a Chelsea fan, what Tuchel did in the space of 18 months was incredible. He is so good at tournaments. We reached 6 finals, winning 3. In his first six months, he beat: - Pep Guardiola 3 times - José Mourinho - Jürgen Klopp - Diego Simeone 2 times - Carlo Ancelotti - Zinedine Zidane
Argentina and Spain have proved that big names doesn't make up for greater achievements. Both Argentina and Spain coaches were Student and Teacher back in 2017. England worst enemy is and always been FA and it has been like this for already 100 years.
I made a comment on a different video stating that i think Tuchel is a great appointment, but it's embarrassing that we don't produce quality anymore but import it. No responses. On a separate video i made the point that due to the nature of the Premier league demanding the best no matter what country they're from it's hard for aspiring English managers to get adequate experience in what is the most competitive league in the world. One response telling me I'm "utterly clueless" and that "The Premier league is actually a great platform for upcoming English coaches" I don't know if people who may agree are out there but it would seem we're in great denial about how pants we are.
as a german, i would expect (but oppose) similar outrage if the DFB hired a foreign manager. Not even specifically a british one, but any foreign manager would be outrageous in the eyes of a german simple mind.
Carra's reason for objecting to a German manager is different. He's said it a few times that he feels international football is the best of what one country has got vs the best of what other countries have got, and that means not just players but also managers. To him, it feels like having a foreign manager is, therefore, cheating, like bringing in a foreign ringer to play a position your national team is weak in. In his case, it's not xenophobia or a "how are our managers going to get better if we don't give them opportunities" argument.
Better to have a german manager who knows what he's doing rather than an english manager with the tactical prowess of a wet sock. We've had foreign managers before, the current bloke is Irish, who should care as long as we win stuff for a change.
He'll at least bring cohesion, adaptability and direction to the team. A definitive style is probably not possible since that requires deliberate customized squad building over a long period of time. With Tuchel you guys have just dramatically increased your chances of winning the world cup.
as someone living in poland you know that we had 3 non polish coaches 1 we love (Leo Beenhakker) 2 were fails (sousa and santos) but best succeses (if we can call exit of a group stage and 1/4 of euro) were with polish coaches without any internation recognition so we will see with england team
i can't bruh why do english people hate germany.. as a norwegian, my country was actually fully invaded and controlled by germany in ww2. Yet i absolutely love germany as a country still english people man
English media is toxic, let's see what Tuchel does, I guess they wanted to snap him up while he was available, he has won stuff at club level. If Postecoglou can win something with Spurs, a team as trophyphobic as England, maybe he should be next England manager.
Whilst I have always thought that each nation should have a manager of the same nationality as the team does for consistency more than anything, Tuchel does not deserve the hate he has got. This would not happen if it was Klopp or Pep being appointed...
you must consider the anti german sentiments are only a thing of the media ........the average english have nothing against germans the opposite.......I know what I am talking about I am german and have been so many times in England......I had always very good encounters with the locals......the truth is that we are similar people Anglo Saxons........
In England, it costs 4000 for coaching badges in Spain it cost 500 euros. Plus, the EPL has the most money, so it can cherry-pick managers from other leagues.
I believe the criteria for playing for a national team is having been born in the country, having lived there for 5+ years or having a parent/grandparent from the country. I think a good compromise would be to apply those same criteria to the manager. Which would mean that Klopp, Arteta, Moyes or Guardiola could be England manager. Tuchel could have been on his way to being eligible had Chelsea not sacked him.
We would have the same discussion in Germany with any foreign trainer. it's sad, but that's the reality. I'm not surprised at all, and I hope Tuchel will prove all the haters wrong. Greets from Germany. And yes: I'm serious here. I hope you win the World Cup with Tuchel.
So they're cool with Sven-Göran Eriksson (a Swede) and Fabio Capello (an Italian) now that a lot of time has passed, but not Thomas Tuchel (a German)? I'm not following this at all
It's interesting that European football is using quantum tactics, and it trickled down to the managerial level. Unfortunately, Gareth Southgate was affected. If that was some second football country like the US, he would have a statue in NY right now for reaching something equivalent to the FA Emirates Cup. That will not cut it in England, especially in a super competitive continent.
The people who claim that a national team should be run by a domestic coach and that a foreign coach shouldn't run the national team because "It ruins the achievement of winning a tournament." need to take a good long look at title winning teams that have had foreign coaches. Greece winning the Euros in 2004 is considered their greatest footballing feat and is one of their greatest points of national pride, and the manager who won it wasn't Greek, but was German. Same goes with other national teams (USA for example have won multiple Gold Cups with foreign managers, yet each win is a source of pride in their national team). Tuchel was one of the best managers around at the time of hiring. He took PSG to their first ever Champions League final, then after Lampard was sacked, he took a mid table Chelsea team to not only top 4, but also winning the Champions League, beating teams like Real, Athleti and Man City to win. As a Chelsea fan, I can say that Chelsea were under a dire state under Lampard, and Tuchel not only turned that season around, but made it into one of the greatest seasons for my club is a miracle. He also made it to 5 other finals as Chelsea boss, winning both the Super Cup and Club World Cup (And if it wasn't for our goals that weren't offside being given as offsides, it would have been 6/6 in finals!). Tuchel quickly turned Chelsea around. He made Kai Havertz, Timo Werner and Marcos Alonso look like world class players. Imagine what he can do with the likes of Palmer, Trent, Rice, Bellingham and Watkins. It's also interesting that the same people who are complaining about this (Mostly Carragher and Neville) didn't have a problem with England being managed by Erikson or Capello and they had equally good chances to win silverware with England as Tuchel has
I dont understand the problem , Thomas Tuchel is one of the most Anglo-friendly people in the space ( X country - friendly means someone has a deeper connection with a country/culture they love for various reasons , sort of like a second nationality by choice or living and experiencing that for some times ) .Klopp was like that aswell and funny enough the team who beat England Greece also has such a coach in Ivan Jovanovic who is Serbian but like many Serbians Greco-friendly , dude had his kids born in Greece and speaks the langauge fluently and has shown love for us in his time in the Greek clubs and now the National Team that has been on fire , If you dont let others love you and push them away of course you are not going to see anything out of them i dont understand how barrating Tuchel for being German helps the National Team at all while Greece showed England by action what happens when you dont push someone who wants to help away. ( i know that Germany and England are not the same situation as Greece and Serbia for example but you get the point this is 2024 not the 1940s ) ( Edit - dont get me started on the " we need an English coach " there isnt a single English coach good enough to even be considered in the Top 20 best coaches in the world and you want to give the England job that is a Top 5 nation itw to a coach who isnt qualified just because he is English , 10 years of Southgate didnt really teach you anything did it , 2 fraudulent tournaments were his only real accomplishments both on the edge of failure and saved by individual efforts , Eddie Howe is a good good manager but lets be honest he aint close to someone like Tuchel , you give that Newcastle side to Tuchel they get Top 4 every year not just when half of the teams troll the season and they land in the Top 4 .
Your spot on mate but the problem isnt who is in charge of England. Its the awful quality of terrible pundits giving ridiculous opinions like this. And i saw the Sam Wallace articles a few days ago another problem being the massive decline in the country of poor journalism!!!
Some people just think we should have an English coach for the England team, it's not about hating Tuchel or Germans or any other foreigners. When people talk about how the English are somehow uniquely unpleasant and racist in wanting a coach from their own country no one seems to point out that other major nations don't have foreign coaches. France, Germany, Italy, Spain, even the Netherlands with a smaller population, all prefer to go local.
There’s this statistic that goes around that every World Cup winning team has had a coach from the same country. It seems in the eyes of these journalists, pundits, arrogant fans, etc, breaking that mold would be a condemnation against the nation for not producing good coaches. By the way, England has had foreign born coaches before like Eriksson and Capello. I guess it’s because of this one sided rivalry that England has with Germany that makes it like “harder” for the old heads to accept.
The Thomas Tuchel hate is crazy. Because he's german you don't want him? Is this WW2?
It’s kind of mental, it Pep became England imagine if anyone would have an issue then😂
@@Vizeh You never know with the English Media
He is more swiss bro. He is Swabian. 😂
@Vizeh yea but pep has been in England for 9 seasons now right so people treat him better I think.But I still support ur opinion
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English managers are not tactical.
La Masia kids learn complex tactics from a very young age. English academies have improved a lot tactically over the years, but kids today are not turning into managers yet.
In the past, Spanish midfielders would build up step by step in a methodical way. English midfielders would play long ball forward without much thinking. That’s why managers like Lampard and Gerrard are not very tactical. There are no complexity in their tactics.
A lot of English managers didn’t have the opportunity to learn from Pep (easily the greatest ever tactician in football history). So they don’t know how to divide a tactics into thousands of pieces and coach them into their players. They don’t know how to play a tactical chess game.
people wouldn’t be complaining if england got jurgen klopp as england manager they’re treating tuchel like he’s hitler
Fucking hell lad😂
It's the same with politics. When Carter does it everybody is Good old Jimmy well done but when Henry does it is seen as bad.
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A lot of England fans would despise Klopp because of his association with Liverpool. Let's not forget that in the 70's and 80's Liverpool were the dominant force in English football with eleven league titles and seven 2nd place finishes in 19 seasons from 1972/73 until 1990/91
Klopp had a far better legacy and overall connection with the fanbase and even the City at Liverpool than Tuchel did at Chelsea. He defended Liverpool fans booing God Save the Queen in the FA Cup final and a lot of people not only hate Liverpool fans but scousers in general.
Rumors are that Klopp will get the job from Nagelsmann when he quits after the wc....
We need to talk more about the fact that NONE OF THE ENGLISH MANAGERS HAS EVER WON A PREMIER LEAGUE
That is a baffling stat and it won't be broken anytime soon
Who won it with Leeds then in 91 and with Blackburn in 94?
@@UnitedReds99he said the Leeds managers name from 92 1995 Blackburn Rovers manager was the Scottish Kenny Dalglish
@@vsocarras27 Ah fair enough then I'm just watching the video now
Or champions league, europa league and euros. Last major trophy won by an english manager is the world cup lol
It’s honestly crazy that people don’t want Tuchel as manager. He brought PSG and Chelsea to 2 finals in the span of a year. He took Chelsea to 6 finals
They don't want him as manager, because they think that only an Englishman should manage the men's team
I was going to say it’s because he’s German but at same time I don’t know if people would react same if Klopp was in charge honestly
He won UCL with Kai, Timo and ziyech
his knockout record isn't all that good though. He lost 2 finals at Wembley on penalties. The only final he won was during covid. Let's not talk about that though because it doesn't suit the agenda that Tuchel is suddenly the greatest manager of all time
@@VizehTuchel doesn't have the nicest personality plus he's German. Most people love Klopp apart from us Man Utd fans
Medias like these in England are the reason why they don't deserve to see England win any trophies.
Best manager available, give the guy a chance.
I agree lad
Brazil is facing a similar dilemma with the possibility of a foreign manager:
- The Brazilian people think that no brazilian coach is good enough for the Seleção.
- The impact that both Abel Ferreira and Jorge Jesus left in the Brasileirão and Libertadores with Palmeiras and Flamengo.
- A lot of the best coaches in Brasileirão are foreign (Abel Ferreira, Juan Pablo Vojvoda, Arthur Jorge, Luiz Zubeldía, Gabriel Milito, Ramón Díaz and Pedro Caixinha).
- The Failures of the Best Brazilian coaches to bring good performances after Tite left (Dorival Junior and Fernando Diniz)
- CBF trying and failing miserably to bring Carlo Ancelotti and creating this theory that we could have a foreign manager.
When it costs 13,500 to finish your coaching licences here, you wonder why no English managers are showing up anymore. Costs 1.2k in Spain and 500 Euros in Germany. Insane that we are blaming the German for taking and England job and not the system for being greedy.
What level is that? Cause it’s even more in the states (if you’re counting the ones below the A/top license)
You should've touched on the fact that the women have Sarina Wiegman, who Dutch, and she won the Euros and got us to a World Cup final
💯 why there wasn't an uproar when they didn't go all out for Emma Hayes shows serious shortsightedness
Sorry but I honestly think what happens in the women's game is irrelevant to the men's. The differences are massive and to many to draw meaningful comparisons.
@@luciusesox1luckysox570 cool - name at least 3 differences that make the analogy irrelevant and void. It's the same sport and in this case the same principle.
@luciusesox1luckysox570 you're on your own on this one. The US said nothing about hiring an English person as they're the best person. We're hiring a CL winner off the back of 2 finals in 3 years. Where is our usual over-optimism?
Gender shouldn't be a factor when it comes to nationalism.
If he doesn't win the world cup, which is very difficult, them lots gonna go 'I told you so'.
They're just winding up for a 'gotcha' moment for some internet brownie points by pretending to have any amount of ball knowledge.
Take note of every single public personality slagging Tuchel just for being a German, and publish it under their socials for every win he got in the world cup.
I can’t believe one of the first media questions was whether he’d sing the anthem. Jesus Christ, I didn’t realise he was auditioning for a musical! 🙄
I'll listen to the people that say stuff like "it doesnt feel right" and complain about the nationality when they can name an English manager on the same level as Tuchel
Opposition to the idea of a foreign national head coach is not unique to England. The policy of all major footballing nations is to strongly prefer their own coaches for that position. I haven't done a comprehensive review, but here are a few:
- Germany has never had a foreign head coach.
- Brazil has not had a foreign head coach since 1944, when a Portuguese coach managed them for two friendlies.
- Italy has not had a foreign head coach except for a brief spell in the '60s when Helenio Herrera (of Inter fame) was co-manager (with an Italian).
If any of these countries (among others) found themselves in a position where they were toying with the idea of appointing a foreign coach, the result would be exactly the same kind of media storm seen in England now - nothing about this is a uniquely English pathology (including the overlap with xenophobia). Worse still if the coach being considered (much less appointed) hailed from a major footballing rival by nationality.
The difference is that all of these countries would take corrective action to ensure that they had qualified coaches in the future, not just the short-term solution of a foreign coach (or an unqualified one, like Southgate). In fact, we can even argue that this is something like what happened in Germany when they made Klinsmann manager: he was not really qualified for the position (and the quality of players available to him was middling to poor by German standards), but he was able to restore positivity about the German national team, while in the mean time a programme to reform German football was under way. That saw results not only in a very talented and successful generation of players for the German national team, but also a new wave of young German coaches who have been in demand all over Europe.
The English FA is incapable of anything similar. We see more talented English players these days because wealthy *clubs* have motivations to produce them. They don't have the same motivation to produce talented English managers. The FA has no serious programme for it. So this problem that's lasted about 30 years will continue, as the FA is a product of the rot in British society in general.
Yes
Thank you. Some common sense. I'm not even English, but as you say, this situation isn't unique to England. Countries across the world typically prefer their own citizen to head their national team.
I really couldn’t have put it any better myself!!
Brazil is pretty bad at developing good coaches. It's a big part of their national team being far away from the top for quite a while already
The amount of disgusting comments l have seen about Thomas Tuchel becoming England manager because of his nationality is insane.
England is a weird one sometimes😂
@@Vizeh For me, it's always 😂
A lot are bigots and racists or just people with outdated old fashioned views. Just ignore them and let them wallow in their own misery
That article from the Daily Mail was just peak mindless nationalism. I first heard about this from Zealand last night and he made a comment about "This sounds like something ChatGPT would spit out if you asked it: Write me the most nationalist response to the English National Football Team hiring a German manager." So I did it.
ChatGPT actually wrote a BETTER and MORE LOGICAL article.
Yes, it was all rah-rah-crown-and-country, but it had better takes than most of these English rantboxes I've seen seeing.
@@JimTheFly the media in this country are genuinely vile at every opportunity
Majority of premier league team are managed by foreign managers. English media are fickle as hell
The English media never disappoints ..
The sense of entitlement is insane ..
Especially the English sport media.
I'm sorry but apart from Eddie Howe, which English manager could be considered competent to win the WC? Sure Thomas Tuchel may be a German taking over England but give him a break; he won the UCL with a Chelsea team made by Lampard
People may have liked Potter as he has some ideas but yeah Tuchel has got some sort of pedigree behind him at least
I heard Gary O'Neil was a candidate, the man that is currently BOTTOM of the premier League
@@parker-ii7fgComparing Steve Cooper to Tuchel is like comparing Margot Robbie to Susan Boyle
I think in a couple years Liam Rosenior will have gained enough experience to become the England manager, but other than that there aren't many alternatives that aren't complete shit
He did but let's be real it was more city lost and bottled the final
why are we so upset that the FA has done something right for once?
Because some people are not happy that the manager isn't English.
Exactly
They wanted Pep but when they got a different foreign manager they suddenly cry about it needing to be an English manager
Tf nationality do they think Pep is 😂
The most qualified person got the job, simple as that. I don’t care if he’s not from Doncaster, I only care about the success of the England national team, which he’ll bring
That article calling Sweden a backwater is simultaneously deeply insulting to my heritage and absolutely hilarious at the same time.
Modern Sweden is a backwater now though, let's be honest. That country has been murdered by mass immigration from the third world.
The problem isn't signing a foreign manager, the problem is having to sign him because there are no english managers that are on the level of the squad
Tuchel is probably the club manager who is most adaptable to international football. In fact, Tuchel feels much more comfortable in knock-off tournaments than in a league season. One of the big problems England has is that there is no learning line/philosophy like there is in Argentina, Spain or Germany. Most of the english managers "learn" by managing in the lower categories and end up managing as a team in the lower categories is managed, not a team that wants to win titles
People in England would rather continue their trophyphobia and "keep it english".
Us argentines on the other hand have the opposite situation. We have argentine managers in almost every other South American country.
Damn Bielsa for one
Yeah the responce from the media and a few has just been rediculous, I’m English and I’m perfectly happy to have Tuchel in charge, he’s clearly better than anyone we could reasonably get right now, and I wish him all the success.
Generally speaking, being from the nation you're managing does have an advantage, which is why alot of the recent international tournament wins, have been with managers native to their team, but realistically the only English manager who's good enough right now that with the advantage I mentioned would make them a better option than Tuchel is Eddie Howe, but he's not available so if it's a choice between any available English managers or Tuchel, then the choice is obvious
As a German I find it funny to see how the English media reacts to this. My immediate thought when Tuchel was announced was like: "Wow. They are going to burn something down in England now."
They always say "England National Football Team's managers should be English" but never say "England National Football Team's managers should be good enough." No wonder why they're shite every tournament especially playing against champions like Spain, Italy, France, etc.
The only thing England is still talked about is their brilliantly talented individuals, but as a team, this national club is a miscommunication.
People are moaning over England having a foreign manager but have no issue with English leauge clubs having foreign managers. Make it make sense 🙄 doesn't matter if hes germaman. The world war has nothing to do with football.
None of us were even bloody alive during the World War unless you're an old man 😂
All these English pundits mouthing off, not got the bottle to manage themselves, just happy to chat crap. And when they do try the fail like Neville, who did not deserve the Valencia job in the first place.
I don't get the hate. Didn't England already had foreign managers for their national team?? Also what did English managers have done with England national team for the past 12 years?
Yeah exactly. Still I would prefer Pep over Southgate as Sweden National Team coach. Finland is the little brother they can have Southgate if they want him.
it’s really funny how prideful English pundits are even though they haven’t won anything since the 60s and most of the national teams they played for are considered the biggest wastes
Being Belgian, I know what it's like to have a golden generation and seeing it fall short. We hired some bloke who managed Everton and finished third in a World Cup we could and probably should have won.
On paper, England has had the most talented young lineup in both the past 2 Euros & World Cup. You could've won two of these, easily, but didn't. At the hands of a stubborn manager, like we had with Roberto Martinez.
A golden generation like yours, deserves an absolute TOP manager who has seen it all and brought success to his teams. He could be some Argentinian guy for all I care, the nationality of that manager does not matter. Capitalise on this generation. You have to. Tuchel could be the right man for sure.
To be honest the Belgium golden generation had problems beyond the manager.having players who don't get along in the squad and a guy like Lukaku who flops in big games won't do you any good in tournaments
Lol what, england has the best young crop of players the last two euros?
U do know France exists right.
Winning an international Tournament is a privilege not a right, u didn't deserve the world cup anymore than anyone else.
Such hubris without any accomplishments.
Now Martinez is messing up Portugals golden generation
@@charles9489I'd say both France and Portugal are stronger on paper than us
@@lloydlebelo4623 I think people really overestimate the impact of these problems. I imagine you're talking KDB and Courtois. And Lukaku wasn't what he is now. He was reliable and had confidence.
The outdated debate is reminiscent to WW2. Unbelievable that he has got this reception despite being the best candidate for the job. Would Lee Carsley, the IRISHMAN, be the preference?
We are talking about a coach that won the champions league with Chelsea. A coach that made Chelsea one of the best teams in England. And people are hating. Neville and Carragher are complaining even though they were managed by Erikkson for England. No one would be complaining if guardiola joined or klopp. What’s the beef with tuchel?? What is this media mate? 😑
We shouldn't just put people in place, cause of their nationality. We should appoint people who are right for the job. Cause lets face it, if Tuchel wins England a trohpy, they'll be all over him. Loving him etc. Without even acknowledging their past comments.
If they want the England head coach to be English, then they need to do better in promoting the English coaching game.
i am stunned by the amount of xenophobia towards tuchel just because hes german and making disgusting remarks related to WW2
I'm actually shocked how England has so many issues developing great coaches. Undoubtedly one of the top nations when it comes to football, yet every top club in the premier league is managed by a foreigner as well.
As a german it baffles me that there is literally no a single elite coach among englishmen that is deemed worthy to even get a fair shot at a top club in the premier league.
Changes need to be made for sure on developing english coaches. I refuse to believe there aren't talented guys out there, but if the don't get a chance to develop and learn it becomes a self-made problem in England.
I think a lot of it has to do with the media and general culture around football. We tend to be very short sighted over here when it comes to managers and they can quickly go from being perceived as a very talented manager to utterly out of depth.
Take Rob Edwards of Luton as a prime example. This time last season his stock was at an all time high, he'd brought an unfancied Luton up and while they were losing games they were putting a dogged shift into every game. Inevitably they went down but they could hold their heads high and Edwards rightfully received a lot of praise.
This season though with Luton currently 21st? Edwards is seen as a one season wonder who was riding on the coattails of Nathan Jones.
We love nothing more than writing someone off and not giving them a chance lol. One failure at a club pretty much dooms your career nowadays and it's very difficult for a manager to bounce back. If Edwards ends up getting sacked by Luton then he'll probably end up with an unfancied midtable championship club, someone like a Preston, QPR or Cardiff.
Right now we do have a few up and coming English managers, guys like Des Buckingham of Oxford, Carrick of Middlesbrough, Skubala of Lincoln and Rosenier at Strasbourg. But if any of them fail they'll just be written off and doomed to the lower leagues.
You have to bare in mind too that the EFL's are arguably the most competitive and professional structure of anywhere in the world. In Germany for example your 2 Bundesliga is a very competitive and high quality league but the quality drops off massively in the 3rd and 4th tiers whereas those leagues are still professional here and have some good players in them. So it's much harder for a younger manager to really make a name for themselves as the standard of coaching at those levels are already quite high.
I think touchel is a proven winner. Do we really need anything else? If we win a trophy, we will quickly forget his nationality. So why worry now?
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Beyond NOT winning the Premier League.
1997 was the last time a English manager ended 2nd. Keegan with Newcastle.
Now are you ready for this?
You need to go back to 2002/2003 to find a English manager finishing top 3.
Bobby Robson also with Newcastle.
Top 4? Bobby Robson retired in 2004.
Since only 4 times did an english manager achieved top 4.
2009/2010+2011/2012 Harry Redknapp with Tottenham.
2019/2020 Frank Lampard with Chelsea.
2022/2023 Eddie Howe with Newcastle.
20 years. 4 Top 4s.
Not one Top 3.
It's abysmal.
i honestly thought that when the news broke about Tuchel was announced as England boss, there would be sense of respect, like no arguments on social media because England had just appointed a winner, that's what he is. But then to see the negative articles and responses is just shocking, Southgate wasn't a good enough coach for international level and when 1 who is gets appointed, there's uproar
southgate wasn't good enough for international management? are you taking the piss?
I have never seen such a weird and stupid reaction a managerial appointment in any sport ever. Sven and Fabio were welcomed. This is, on paper a much better appointment then any England manager in decades. Time will tell. But certainly it is the best available coach in world football. The fa have smashed it.
Modern People: ... If i can complain, i will complain ... because feelings cannot be verified ... i can be offended by anything even if it doesnt make sense ...
Love the appointment of Thomas Tuchel. Can't wait for the world cup.
As an 18 year old I do not understand why people are so adamant on having an English manager. I do not care about what nationality our national team manager is as long as they offer exciting football. Southgate did not 💀
As a Chelsea fan, we all know that Tuchel is what we need. Chilwell LB, you heard it here first
Small correction: Carsley is English. Born here, lived here, both parents English, but with Irish heritage
The fact that there was possibly only one viable English option at all (Howe - but he's tied up with Newcastle) and that there has never been an English manager winning the Premiership is more of a sad indictment of the current coaching system we have in England and the FA. This is not Tuchel's fault nor is it his problem to fix. Furthermore, we also have had a foreign female coach with the Lionesses for a number of years (she's Dutch), but that's not been a problem, especially the success with a Euros win and a first World cup final. So why is having the same for the men's side such a problem?
England national team with an ACTUAL COUCH is so scary cause they have SUCH great players but... the only thing the english media can THINK OF is that the man is german...ffs drowning in a puddle situation
What about a chaise longue?
Jose Mourinho speaks 5 languages fluently, Tuchel like 4 and Guardiola now is at least 4. Alonso at least 4. The biggest hinderance is that english coaches probably can't manage a modern multilingual and multinational top team, Ironically is Hodgson can impressively speak 5+ languages.
its going to be a hell for tuchel. The hate from press, top class players and fans. it won't be easy. lots of critisism and doubts
Strange how the likes of Carragher and Neville played for England under Sven, they didn’t seem to have an issue with a Swede managing the team.
Personally, I don’t care where the manager is from as long as he gets the team playing half decent football so I may actually be bothered to watch them.
It seems england fans agree tuchel was a good appointment, all the media seems to have an issue. Surprise surprise the people employed to talk about football seem to be the most out of touch
Germany and its people (and their beer) are amazing! 🏴🤝🇩🇪
I know Germany well. It's a fantastic country.
This situation is like if Brazil apoint a Argentinan maneger and say he's a european come to ensalve us again.
And also, a lot of Latin American countries have Argentines coaching their national teams, Colombia for example.
@@joaquincassagnetezcurra5875
and we are doing great with our Argentine coach
As a Pole I think that coach's nationality is not too important. More important thing is his abilities. In 21st century we've had 3 non-polish coaches: 1 dutch and 2 portuguese. Leo Beenhakker was good (we advanced to EURO 2008), Paulo Sousa was not bad, but he was a liar and ran away like a rat from sinking ship before World Cup 2022 play-offs and Fernando Santos, which was a lazy piece of shit.
The people talking like this is some atrocity clearly dont know about history before the 1930s.
The ethnic english ancestors of today (Saxons and Jutes) migrated to England from Germany.
I think many pundits are missing the point, we all agree that it would be preferable to have an English manager, but when there is such a disparity between Tuchel and all the English options in terms of quality, surely the extra chance of winning something is more important.
We all know the punditry world is pure chumocracy, if it had been Klopp Carragher would have been all over it, if it was Guardiola, Neville would have jizzed his pants, because none of them have a personal relationship with Tuchel they don't support him.
As a german its so funny. We can only win
You are not German!
@@MrMarmite5164 how do you know
Buddy you can't win if England wins the World Cup stop lying to yourself
The fact that no english manager ever won the Premier, floored me. I keep forgetting Ferguson is *scottish.*
German here, and I joked that Tuchel should be tried for treason in Germany for becoming England manager, but just a joke given our rivalry. And I genuinely don’t mind a foreigner as Bundestrainer. But seriously, I expected English black humour or sarcasm about this at worst, not outright hate from the media and those useless pundits.
Bro, as a Chelsea fan, what Tuchel did in the space of 18 months was incredible. He is so good at tournaments. We reached 6 finals, winning 3. In his first six months, he beat:
- Pep Guardiola 3 times
- José Mourinho
- Jürgen Klopp
- Diego Simeone 2 times
- Carlo Ancelotti
- Zinedine Zidane
Argentina and Spain have proved that big names doesn't make up for greater achievements. Both Argentina and Spain coaches were Student and Teacher back in 2017. England worst enemy is and always been FA and it has been like this for already 100 years.
True. It’s discrimination based on person’s nationality.
No one complains if Pep or Jurgen were appointed.
True!
I made a comment on a different video stating that i think Tuchel is a great appointment, but it's embarrassing that we don't produce quality anymore but import it. No responses.
On a separate video i made the point that due to the nature of the Premier league demanding the best no matter what country they're from it's hard for aspiring English managers to get adequate experience in what is the most competitive league in the world. One response telling me I'm "utterly clueless" and that "The Premier league is actually a great platform for upcoming English coaches"
I don't know if people who may agree are out there but it would seem we're in great denial about how pants we are.
It's wild how people are so pressed over this. We absolutely wouldn't have this sort of hate for Pep Guardiola.
as a german, i would expect (but oppose) similar outrage if the DFB hired a foreign manager. Not even specifically a british one, but any foreign manager would be outrageous in the eyes of a german simple mind.
Carra's reason for objecting to a German manager is different. He's said it a few times that he feels international football is the best of what one country has got vs the best of what other countries have got, and that means not just players but also managers. To him, it feels like having a foreign manager is, therefore, cheating, like bringing in a foreign ringer to play a position your national team is weak in. In his case, it's not xenophobia or a "how are our managers going to get better if we don't give them opportunities" argument.
I'm not understanding the fuss...Jamie and Gary both played under Sven, RIP. Also, Capello was England coach as well.
Say what you want about Luis Enrique's spanish career but he definitely started the spark that became the fire that's the current Spanish team.
Best thought out and well rounded piece on all media platforms.
Good job Viz!
Better to have a german manager who knows what he's doing rather than an english manager with the tactical prowess of a wet sock. We've had foreign managers before, the current bloke is Irish, who should care as long as we win stuff for a change.
I don't know if you've done this but make a vid on the chaos of international football outside Europe
He'll at least bring cohesion, adaptability and direction to the team. A definitive style is probably not possible since that requires deliberate customized squad building over a long period of time. With Tuchel you guys have just dramatically increased your chances of winning the world cup.
The fact that an english manager has never won the premier league is mind blowing
as someone living in poland you know that we had 3 non polish coaches 1 we love (Leo Beenhakker) 2 were fails (sousa and santos) but best succeses (if we can call exit of a group stage and 1/4 of euro) were with polish coaches without any internation recognition so we will see with england team
i can't bruh why do english people hate germany..
as a norwegian, my country was actually fully invaded and controlled by germany in ww2.
Yet i absolutely love germany as a country still
english people man
English media is toxic, let's see what Tuchel does, I guess they wanted to snap him up while he was available, he has won stuff at club level. If Postecoglou can win something with Spurs, a team as trophyphobic as England, maybe he should be next England manager.
Whilst I have always thought that each nation should have a manager of the same nationality as the team does for consistency more than anything, Tuchel does not deserve the hate he has got. This would not happen if it was Klopp or Pep being appointed...
you must consider the anti german sentiments are only a thing of the media ........the average english have nothing against germans the opposite.......I know what I am talking about I am german and have been so many times in England......I had always very good encounters with the locals......the truth is that we are similar people Anglo Saxons........
In England, it costs 4000 for coaching badges in Spain it cost 500 euros. Plus, the EPL has the most money, so it can cherry-pick managers from other leagues.
I believe the criteria for playing for a national team is having been born in the country, having lived there for 5+ years or having a parent/grandparent from the country. I think a good compromise would be to apply those same criteria to the manager. Which would mean that Klopp, Arteta, Moyes or Guardiola could be England manager. Tuchel could have been on his way to being eligible had Chelsea not sacked him.
Lee Carsley is English not Irish. He played for ROI because of a family member so he qualified for it. Sorry, that was a nitpick.
Big Sam Allerdyce is the best English manager to manage the national team, only manager with 100% win rate with them 🔥🔥
Until England can prove they can win a trophy, idc what nationality they have
This is why ppl hate journos
We would have the same discussion in Germany with any foreign trainer. it's sad, but that's the reality. I'm not surprised at all, and I hope Tuchel will prove all the haters wrong. Greets from Germany. And yes: I'm serious here. I hope you win the World Cup with Tuchel.
I'm excited for it. We as a nation just spent 8 years complaining about Gareth Southgate, and now we have a Champions League winning manager.
I can tell you that even for MLS, Rooney was awful. Legend as a player but a disastrous coach.
So they're cool with Sven-Göran Eriksson (a Swede) and Fabio Capello (an Italian) now that a lot of time has passed, but not Thomas Tuchel (a German)? I'm not following this at all
There aren't a lot of good coaches in the market thats why u have chelsea getting maresca and Bayern getting kompany
Both of them learned tactics from the greatest tactician in football history.
@@thierryhenry674Yeah and so did Ten Hague and look where that's got us
@@UnitedReds99 Ten Hag/managers in general aren't the problem at Utd
pretty fascinating that both the inventors of football (ENG) as well as the record world champion (BRA) have an obvious coaching (development) problem
Englisch reffs and coches are terrible. I can't name 1 good englisch coach.
English media play a very big part in their nation's shortcomings.
It's interesting that European football is using quantum tactics, and it trickled down to the managerial level. Unfortunately, Gareth Southgate was affected. If that was some second football country like the US, he would have a statue in NY right now for reaching something equivalent to the FA Emirates Cup. That will not cut it in England, especially in a super competitive continent.
The people who claim that a national team should be run by a domestic coach and that a foreign coach shouldn't run the national team because "It ruins the achievement of winning a tournament." need to take a good long look at title winning teams that have had foreign coaches.
Greece winning the Euros in 2004 is considered their greatest footballing feat and is one of their greatest points of national pride, and the manager who won it wasn't Greek, but was German. Same goes with other national teams (USA for example have won multiple Gold Cups with foreign managers, yet each win is a source of pride in their national team).
Tuchel was one of the best managers around at the time of hiring. He took PSG to their first ever Champions League final, then after Lampard was sacked, he took a mid table Chelsea team to not only top 4, but also winning the Champions League, beating teams like Real, Athleti and Man City to win. As a Chelsea fan, I can say that Chelsea were under a dire state under Lampard, and Tuchel not only turned that season around, but made it into one of the greatest seasons for my club is a miracle. He also made it to 5 other finals as Chelsea boss, winning both the Super Cup and Club World Cup (And if it wasn't for our goals that weren't offside being given as offsides, it would have been 6/6 in finals!). Tuchel quickly turned Chelsea around. He made Kai Havertz, Timo Werner and Marcos Alonso look like world class players. Imagine what he can do with the likes of Palmer, Trent, Rice, Bellingham and Watkins.
It's also interesting that the same people who are complaining about this (Mostly Carragher and Neville) didn't have a problem with England being managed by Erikson or Capello and they had equally good chances to win silverware with England as Tuchel has
I dont understand the problem , Thomas Tuchel is one of the most Anglo-friendly people in the space ( X country - friendly means someone has a deeper connection with a country/culture they love for various reasons , sort of like a second nationality by choice or living and experiencing that for some times ) .Klopp was like that aswell and funny enough the team who beat England Greece also has such a coach in Ivan Jovanovic who is Serbian but like many Serbians Greco-friendly , dude had his kids born in Greece and speaks the langauge fluently and has shown love for us in his time in the Greek clubs and now the National Team that has been on fire , If you dont let others love you and push them away of course you are not going to see anything out of them i dont understand how barrating Tuchel for being German helps the National Team at all while Greece showed England by action what happens when you dont push someone who wants to help away. ( i know that Germany and England are not the same situation as Greece and Serbia for example but you get the point this is 2024 not the 1940s )
( Edit - dont get me started on the " we need an English coach " there isnt a single English coach good enough to even be considered in the Top 20 best coaches in the world and you want to give the England job that is a Top 5 nation itw to a coach who isnt qualified just because he is English , 10 years of Southgate didnt really teach you anything did it , 2 fraudulent tournaments were his only real accomplishments both on the edge of failure and saved by individual efforts , Eddie Howe is a good good manager but lets be honest he aint close to someone like Tuchel , you give that Newcastle side to Tuchel they get Top 4 every year not just when half of the teams troll the season and they land in the Top 4 .
Your spot on mate but the problem isnt who is in charge of England. Its the awful quality of terrible pundits giving ridiculous opinions like this. And i saw the Sam Wallace articles a few days ago another problem being the massive decline in the country of poor journalism!!!
Some people just think we should have an English coach for the England team, it's not about hating Tuchel or Germans or any other foreigners. When people talk about how the English are somehow uniquely unpleasant and racist in wanting a coach from their own country no one seems to point out that other major nations don't have foreign coaches. France, Germany, Italy, Spain, even the Netherlands with a smaller population, all prefer to go local.
There’s this statistic that goes around that every World Cup winning team has had a coach from the same country.
It seems in the eyes of these journalists, pundits, arrogant fans, etc, breaking that mold would be a condemnation against the nation for not producing good coaches.
By the way, England has had foreign born coaches before like Eriksson and Capello. I guess it’s because of this one sided rivalry that England has with Germany that makes it like “harder” for the old heads to accept.