Caedrel Reacts to Soda's LoL Gameplay and Soda Reacts Back Part 2
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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Its weirdly nice seeing someone learn jungle like this. It takes me back, and I love how he accepts the criticism like a champ and tries to adapt it each new game. He is gonna skyrocket for sure.
you will not talk this bad about forsen
i also like that hes learning jungle as it will help him transition to other roles later
forsen clears him 🥱
Its much diffrent if you look at your game after through constructed criticism rather than in game pings or after game friend request that only tells you to kiss your self
At this point they should do actual coaching sessions. It would be good content for both of them.
could be wrong but I thought soda said he didn't want live coaching sessions
Don't think that'll be happening because someone in chat said this and Soda said that the person can give a review on his games and he'll react to their review, he doesn't want to go in a discord call for coaching.
@@itslevi2334why?
@@greenhat7618 Ask Soda, he said it.
@@itslevi2334 no he should not. The League Bubble is toxic af in so many ways and all the coaching in the world will not fix any of League's Problems regarding matchmaking and smurfing. Better he is not dragged into that.
The difference between Soda, and a regular low elo league player is. Soda knows his faults, and understands he isnt good, so he accepts criticism. This will allow him to climb fast (coming from a masters player)
Forsen: Huhh
Soda's played LOL for years hes not new hes also been highly ranked back in the day
@@CarNNNN if by highly ranked mean around plat then no. Although plats is considered decent.
@@ihrstan old plat is high dia now
@@gnoomlordis diamond considered high rank?
This is also challenger analysis. A lot of the things he’s talking about not even all diamond players do.
idk seemed pretty basic to me, biggest tip is if u want to climb is to perma ask questions to urself. where is jg ,whats next objective , how do i approach wave and learning the difference between weak and strong side
He's giving advice on very basic things that new players don't often realize
@@tommytommy7535 trust me most diamonds are so bad that they barely even think whilst playing.
@@lol_RMS They got the basics down for sure but reacting to plays is not their strong suite lol
@@lol_RMS its hilarious how many diamond jungle still start botside with a leash and full clear , like bro if you want to lose your entire top side for free sure , have your botlane come to lane late and show me I have a minute to steal your topside no risk
Caedrel and soda, never in my life would expect of this duo to happen. Please collab.
I love watching soda learn
A lot better than watching him get pulled along by grifters like rob because they finally have some content they can do instead of talking
@@AishiUA-cam erob? tyler's brother?
I don't think he understands that getting a gold/experience lead or at least keeping pace in gold/experience with the enemy jg is more important to higher elo than team play buffs for some reason. It doesn't make any sense, but be greedy with 0 regard for anyone in solo q and somehow you'll win more?
It's because over a lot of games on average, you'll have players with roughly the same level of skill on your own team's 4 other roles, and the enemy team's 4 other roles, so the only remaining thing that can make a difference, is the relation between you and your role opponent's skill level.
So if you're ahead of (and can keep being ahead of) your role opponent in 51% of your matches, you *will* climb, simply because of statistics.
Tarzaned shows that isnt the only way to play jungle in high elo
@@GalenDragonay thats not how statistics work and thats not how riot matchmaking works
Having an advantage is important in every elo. The type of advantage that you search to capitalize on is dependent on what role or champ you're playing and what the opponent is playing. Gold and experience are the center of the game and is more often than not, the leading factor in every interaction. It isn't being greedy; it is being realistic. You, the individual, are the only consistent aspect in your matches.
Some roles are completely dependent on their teammates, like Ivern or Yuumi. But you're generally not going to be playing a champ like that and will need to rely on yourself and only yourself. LoL is a team game, but it is common for players to not want to play as a team. So, you cannot play with the expectation that they will respect a lack of vision, or a fed opponent, or will miss smite to a Soraka banana. You also cannot expect them to want to play the game because it is also common for players to either give up or spend the entire game typing.
If you want to win more games, then you have to remember that the only thing that you can control is yourself. You can do your best to communicate with your team, but ultimately the only piece of the game you have responsibility over are your own actions.
it completely depends on the champion you play, on a power farmer like Diana you really want to keep up the tempo and farm 3/4ths of the jungle on repeat, starve out enemy jg and get more gold than anyone in the game.
On a champ like Sej you probably just take the dragon and accept you lose some camps because you're here to make your carries carry
F keys are auto binded to team mates lol
This was an interesting watch, learnt some important and cool details. pogchamp
The F keys are bound to your teammates by default? Everyone has this binding? What?
Soda's 1:48 "Oh No" felt so sad. Dude is disappointed lmao
you only miss the time by 11 seconds
@@Dog_Tamer me when I personally spread misinformation online in a trivial manner >:)
@@demonderpz7937"misinformation"? He's right, Soda says "Oh no" 11 seconds earlier than your timestamp
@@Onyx_Gaze "trivial"
@@Onyx_Gaze yes, trivial misinformation. It was 11 seconds off to mislead people for no intelligible or logical reason. What part of that was difficult to understand
Soda is like: "hmmm i guess boots are better then a comlete item" tooo funny for me xD
WoW Arena player finds out you have to know more than just your cooldowns/rotations in an actual competitive videogame
Also, this coaching session is probably going to make Soda improve a lot since he is already a smart dude
id love to see a LoL player attempt to play arena lul
He played league for 2 weeks and hit. Gold 2 give him a break man
@@TerranDL they would be hardstuck 1600 for a while until it clicks
He's been playing for alot longer then 2 weeks are you new to him? He would play all the time for like 7h a day 😅 full time job this game and after 5 years hits gold
He stopped playing real wow along time ago when nick left he plays for grinding and love of the game
what is the thing that Caedrel is using to draw where can I download that?
If soda chooses to play any rts he is truly cooked.
Great content!
The thing about using your mouse to adjust cam. It's not bad to use your mouse, it allows way more fidelity and control. All of the best players use mouse as much as possible. Spacebar is a shorthand.
All players use spacebar as much as possible then adjust with mouse if needed is a better wording tho
Especially in the fight you likely to tap or hold spacebar frequently because it is easier to know your range when the character is fixed at the middle. Also a kiting you wont gonna swipe your mouse here and there but right click backward a forward. If you dont use space you wont be able to do it consistent.
It's preference. I use space bar to center camera. I'm left handed so maybe that has part to do with it but yeah it doesn't take any finger to press I just use the palm of my hand below my pinky while I have my fingers around a q w e r d f
@@furielIDV If you're having trouble kiting while moving yor mouse it's a skill issue tbh. Because if you actually watch the mouse movement of the best players, they do use the mouse to move the cam in teamfights and other times whenever they can. They only use spacebar if it's literally not possible at that moment. Check if you don't believe me.
@@YuYuYuna_ Yes, it's for sure preference. But as a statistic, using the mouse is overall more successfull, because you have more controll when you do mouse over space bar. but one or the otehr isn't going to be what holds you back unless you're already really insane.
Soda is making me want to reinstall even though it's so miserable lol
bro said look how u see yas ult, meanwhile theres green dots over their portraits on the hud for that.... bro is yapping
What got soda into playing league all of a sudden?
He never played it so decided to try it for real, he's hate/loving it right now
WoW has gotten stale, coming from a 4 year straight wow player. My brother and I both started league 5 weeks ago ish and we’ve e never even been interested in it previously. Safe to say, we’re inhaling league like it’s crack.
Can’t lie a few years later I still don’t use spacebar. For some reason I always mouse adjust the screen with the exception of Irelia, Kat, Yasuo, or any other champ I use the wave to get really far forward and in that case I press Y Y LMAO
Wait Soda the life long WoW player doesn't use the F keys, that's wild
might just be mouse sensitivity or scrolling needs to be turned up it shouldn't be that hard to just move your camera with the mouse during a fight it should just be a very easy quick mouse movement dont even need space bar there
There are many ways to play it. Low elo is a free for all. There is no reason for many of the moves they make and no way to make sense of it. Diana is my main. In low elo, i just farm until im 3 or 4 levels ahead, take easy ( sure thing) ganks, gank bot then take drag. I win 75% of the time like this, plat and below. You CANNOT count on your team for anything except feeding the enemy team. You want the game in your hands and nobody eles. It will be normal for you to be 4 or 5 levels up on the enemy jungle by the end of the game.
4:26 so right here hsi game in high elo its over, so he went for that kill and got the enemy jg raptors= good right then and there he needed to find a safe place to back and head top side to clear camps, why you may ask? well like ceadrel said the mini map tells a story mid and bot have prio and have been having prio for a good bit meaning drake is safe for a bit one more ward on drake pit or that enemy entrance to river from mid would have been great, also soda died and didnt buy a control ward which he had enough to buy and could have used on top side to get some vision and probably deny a ward from mid for a possible gank and you have mid prio and hecarim just got void crugs so that tells u he is top, which is really really bad bc like i said you literally lose jg if he was smart enough to grab you whole top side, the right thing to do is head top side clear or defend from enemy trying to steel your camps possibly get a kill head down to bot side who haver prio are winning and have plenty of health, get drake and look for a gank or deny vision until camps reset
'if it was in high elo' yes ofcourse man but this is not that so it doesn't matter what you're saying
I dont understand how soda has problems knowing where his mouse is and his cursor when he played so much high level WoW PVP. Camera movement is just as important and knowing where ur cursor is as well.
Much easier when you played a game for half your life and don't have to concentrate on it.
He has to actively think about even small things lile moving after attacking so it's understandable imo
but your cursor's location is effectively useless in any realm of high level wow pvp , everything is keybound and your mouse is permanently clicked to move your camera regardless of the location of your cursor
Good camera control is definitely not as important in WoW as it is in League. It does matter in WoW but you need to be clicking minimap, checking lanes (as jg) to see what abilities are used, did someone flash, etc. while you are clearing, you need to be able to see your character and where you are in a teamfight, where you might need to flash or where you have a kill angle on someone over a wall, etc.
I’m new to League but have played WoW for years and I parse high. I’m not gonna lie, the mouse shit is really hard to get used to coming from WoW. You’re never adjusting your camera ever in WoW, it just locks onto your character and follows you, you don’t need to adjust anything. For us, it’s a totally new and weird thing so I’m more comfortable just having my camera locked for now (I know it’s a terrible habit that I will get out of soon) until I’m more comfortable in the near future.
@@Thatdudewiththedogs ok a few things here. One WoW PVP you move ur camera A LOT. In PvE yes its more in one place and doesnt move much but chance is a high ranked WoW PVPER specifically arena. And saying you parse high says absolutely nothing unless you say what ur parsing high in. Parsing high in classic cata and sod are worthless stats the only high parsing thats worth noting is Mythic retail and heroic for the most part.
Xddd guy react to xddd gameplay
BRAIN WORMS
league players are weird man its like the only community that just refuses to change keybinds even though the default bindings are the most uncomfortable and suboptimal bindings in a game, the argument "Flash on D, NO flash on F" for example is hysterical why would you put it on either of those put both those buttons on C and V get your summs away from your abilities lol
Jg role is mostly PBE and that's a good thing. For many people, laning is the most frustrated thing
SODA use to main Nidalee back in the day why is it everyone thinks hes only jjust started playing LoL again lol
Because this is the most League he has played before. Previously, he did play a few times, but never to this extent.
@@SeeIAmDeadright before they publicized them dating, soda and vei used to play league for really degen hours lmao
I wish to see Forsen doing same thing😅
At least he knows norms are a waste of time
How so?
@@ExecutiveGoth because you dont get that number go up dopamine!!!! jk its all relative; if norms is too ez you play ranked, if you play casually, norms/aram. but if you dont have fun playing the game, you are wasting time which ever way.
@@RedzeeTVits not a matter of hard or ez. If u are playing the game alone for hours there is literally no reason to play norms. Unless youre like new or something.
@@RedzeeTV disagree norms is chill af, play with my hommies 90% norms 99% less flame in game way less afk giving up, and if u keep winning norms u vs higher ranked people so it gets hard. i dont play ranked almost at all highest rank silver but i verus plats and diamonds if i go on big win streak. ofc there are games where i stomp a bronze player 0.10 cause he dumb af but i also have games where we fight a masters who is playing with his friends.
Escepicially at low account level this is significant u can rly see when the game puts you in smurf lobbies and you feel the jump once you go from silver-bronze to gold plat normal games.
idk my main point is that more consistent (like 90% less than ranked) chill games no one afk gives up and ints. played rank for the first time ever consistently seriously on my account lvl 300+. got like 2 afk 4 people gave up just started trolling in 17 games. and dont get me started in the amount of autist who cant just think about simple macro in gold elo and people who flame that almost every game. Tbh i had the perception lol wasnt that toxic (in lower elo below diamond) but thats cause i only played norms XD boi was i wrong.
@@Siegram999 lol, no reason? What about to just have fun and not worry about rank? Try a new champ? Try a new build? Not every game needs to be so serious
him not knowing that leaving that normal game fucks is ranked mmr
How did bro think boots are better than nashors lmao
Ms is a massive noob trap and magic pen because he’s a mage🫠 obviously the pen will help more
At least he’s learning but holy shit this was pretty frustrating
In fairness, new players have been making this mistake since the beginning, and it's because the idea of boots being significantly weaker than legendary items is incredibly unintuitive. As a new player it doesnt make sense why boots exist as these half-assed yet super essential items.
@@HamsterPants522 I think it's completely intuitive, if you can buy a 3k gold item or 1k gold item you should always know which one you want
For this case specifically the boots may not be the right choice. But depending on what you're playing, what you're playing against, and the overall situation, movement and tempo could make a bigger difference in the game's hyper mobile climate. If you know that damage ain't gonna save you in the current state of your game, then it could well be a toss up. Boots and a component in some instances could be worth more for the survivability and kill security in the short term.
@@FJaypewpew it's less about the stats of the boots, and more about the passive ability of nashors
playing league with a shit set up is so bad especially if ur a decent player stuck in sliver because ur playing in 30 fps and 170+ ping
my brother in iron. what are you playing on?! league is one of the least taxing games on any system
Bud, i can play league on a $100 laptop with no gpu. What are you on about
soda such a bad player
This game just isn't for you bro. You should learn to lane before jungling.
He's not going to read this
@@PyroFortune he should
oh god noob jungler in my game ff15
I am sorry I actually hate when streamers just sit there and eat on stream, like go take a 10-20 minute break jesus christ.
you always have the freedom not to watch it
You know there's this crazy invention they just came out with for browsers. You can click this + button next to your tab and open up ANOTHER tab. Fucking insane right? I do it all the time now and when a streamer is eating or afk I just mute and switch to another tab with a different stream or youtube or focus on the game im playing, etc.
3:10 caedral missed this but generally on characters that have a bunch of scalings - think Diana, Ekko, Zed, or Akali - raw ap is ALWAYS a good stat and Blasting Wand is a great item for them when you're in an awkward place in terms of gold in your pocket. All of her abilities scale off AP, so blasting wand is honestly a perfectly fair component to buy here over recurve
raw ap sounds FIRE on Zed I'll give it a shot
Atk speed early game is more dps than 40ap. Its better for clear cause her clear is largly attacks and passive. U arent doing any scaling on 1 item bro.
bro is questioning a challenger ex pro jungler about a core gameplay mechanic in jungle
caedral so knowledgeable about the game that he makes hardstuck plat players feel so inadequate they gotta find a way to 1-up him in the comments ICANT
diana's AP ratios:
passive 0.5
Q 0.7
W 0.18*3
E 0.6
blasting wand gives 45 ap so it using P+Q+W+E would deal an aditional 105 damage(pre resistances)
recurve bow gives 15% atk speed and an additional 15 damage on hit, it requires 7 basic attacks to deal 105 damage just from the 15 additional damage, the atk speed also helps to trigger the passive faster which deals 300% damage to monsters
like soda didnt ask for this advice lol, this guy isnt that good he is in no position to be giving advice.
You high? Caedrel's analysis is top tier
caedrel isn't good? what?
Caedrel literally used to be a pro play in the LEC and still regularly reaches relatively high elo, but sure buddy. He's not that good. You're 100% between silver-plat btw.
Keep fighting the good fight for your streamer.
Who are you?
The amount of patience Soda has, is quite insanely respectable. I cant imagine learning from wow to league in 2024, its nuts.
I played way back in season 5 and loved every bit of it, but this game nowadays is too much... Hats off to you Soda.
No, you gank, it's just that Diana's clear is insanely fast due to her passive and abilities. You just have to path better and all these ganking opportunities arise after you've full cleared. LIke he said you'll learn to read the map better over time and see the small things like the vision plants scanning past wards etc. These will further help you show where you should gank after you're done with all your farming. Diana can farm so fast that you can clear your entire jungle and no camps will be up.
"on Diana... you really wanna be playing the game." mhmm
3:03 that laugh and chat saying loosing to vendor got me good :)