Strun : Monstrous 546% Status Chance Incarnon (No Riven) [Warframe]

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  • @CatalysedCat
    @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +15

    Disclaimer: I make these videos to inspire people, and give a general picture of what the weapons/ frames e.t.c can do. I don't claim for them to be mathematically infallible/ the only & absolute best builds possible, but they're what I create & use for endgame content, that works for me.
    I'm also learning from people in-game and in the comments here, even though I'm legendary rank 2, and 3 soon,
    with 3000 hours in-game, Warframe is just so vast, that you really can keep learning about it for ages!
    TL;DR - If you want a copy paste mod loadout you never have to think about again, without a riven, the link below, to NinjaSE's config in this comment is a better fit
    Before you forma and mod your weapon exactly like mine, for Strun:
    I purposefully didn't use the riven i have in the video, which is a better version of primed point blank with +crit damage +electric.
    I'm not seeking to become someone people copy, I seek to inspire people to think for themselves and create their own things, that's why i go deeper into explaining things in vids, instead of just saying "copy this".
    Clearly Many people want to see how this Shotgun performs without a riven... the forma slots are configured for my loadout WITH it though.
    This makes the whole video slightly awkward, with hindsight i see this is particularly true.
    I just wanted to show that you can really shred steel path enemies with this gun, e.g 1 to 2 shotting the eximus bombards. And even with a bit of a sub-optimal demo build, it was still working, especially with Rhino and Dante, as you saw.
    Also I left out, because it was late last night, and I'd been recording a lot of different attempts, one of the most important parts:
    I had put Arcane Rage, Arcane Tempo (mentioned in Vid) on Rhino, to increase the BASE damage.
    You want at least one source of this, where that's from merciless, point blank, rage/ primary charger, or so on,
    and then lots of Multishot to make use of the incredible status this gun has.
    The second vendetta based build doesn't mention that the lack of primed point blank is made up for with arcane primary charger,
    because i was actually planning on briefly showing the Dante & Rhino build.
    Warframe math can go deep, and I just like playing the game, it's worth taking your time f you really love a gun, to figure out the optimal set-ups, I grind through a lot of different incarnons (almost have all of them) and frames, and am more interested at this point, in diversity & unique features, than "The One Ring to Rule Them All" :P
    Another thing is that Tenacious bond from sentinel with point strike, or pet with BITE and hunter synergy, is buffing my final critical damage by 120% in most builds.
    Last thing: the verdict as you can see from many posts in the comments section, and this build created by NinjaSE, a creator I've come to respect,
    is that Sweeping Serration for this particular gun, in Incarnon mode, is better than Hunter Munitions, because it makes use of the insane status amount it has.
    I need to actually test that, but wanted to just let you know that people who've spent lots more time theorycrafting and testing this stuff in simulacrum found this to be the case.
    Outside of incarnon mode, hunter munitions is still better :) And apparently, it's not THAT much worse inside.
    Luckily it uses the same mod polarity.
    Here's the link: overframe.gg/build/465699/strun-prime/exploding-edge-incarnon-strun-viral-slash-400-status-variants/
    I think he did a good job writing about it & breaking down the math, with the way he explains it, it does seem quite clear cut, but the ingame
    incarnon menus make it sound completely different, as the Damage listed for main shot on Strun does not have Slash at all, only its radial attack, confusing, lol
    :clem: :P

  • @lynlawson3862
    @lynlawson3862 7 місяців тому +8

    Got two rivens unveiled for this the other day, i have single handedly drove up the veiled riven prices in the last 24 hours im sure lol, this gun is ridiculous i was playing around with sweeping serr and hunter m, sweeping feels better like brians comment said, strun miter boltor are such great guns

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +3

      for lazy mode i also really like auto aim of boar incarnon :D
      occucor sentient surge... same but more powerful + pricey.

    • @lynlawson3862
      @lynlawson3862 7 місяців тому +1

      @@CatalysedCat I love ocucor and boar

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +2

      sometimes ya just don't wanna aim :D

  • @donalds4506
    @donalds4506 6 місяців тому +2

    Just got the strun prime and now I cant wait to get the incarnon for it omg

  • @peddypeoples941
    @peddypeoples941 Місяць тому

    I use it with a cc/cd riven, rest status, so 500%+ corrosive with semi cannonade and vendetta, does slightly more oomph than hunter
    muni/merciles but both very viable. Most fun shotty in the game, gets very stupid with avenger rhino, ash or dante. And a little tip, deactivate particle effects, you can see stuff then:P

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  Місяць тому +1

      like joker might say i lIkE tHe ChAoS tHoUgH o/

    • @peddypeoples941
      @peddypeoples941 Місяць тому

      @@CatalysedCat hehe i get that, the exlposions everywhere are nice, but some weapons like noctua have horrible particle vomit, cant see anything with them.

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  Місяць тому

      @@peddypeoples941 yeah it's true, some are just not designed for gameplay, at least, at certain speeds

  • @rinzler-xt9tq
    @rinzler-xt9tq 7 місяців тому +1

    It's more flexible if you use corr with 2 green shards and use madurai instead of unairu

    • @ifeawosika966
      @ifeawosika966 7 місяців тому

      Yep 2 green shards makes it full strip in 1 shot

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +4

      slash penetrates armour... Viral compliments Slash.
      Lots of frames can full strip by subsuming pillage or terrify.
      Sure, you can use Corrosive to full strip on Strun but I see it as a bit sub optimal personally, I know a lot of people use Nourish (Viral Subsume) + Corrosive but i hate the sumo wrestler animation on it.
      If you want, you have to dedicate those shards to whichever frame you're playing it with.
      major changes coming for how all the elements work in the patch in 2 weeks time too :o

    • @Me_Myself_Maly
      @Me_Myself_Maly 6 місяців тому +1

      Not everyone is gonna have 2 greens shards on their frame. This build more focuses on flexibility

  • @Dr_Snuggles-
    @Dr_Snuggles- 28 днів тому +1

    Strun wraith or strun prime?
    Witch is better

  • @luisnolli8407
    @luisnolli8407 5 місяців тому +2

    This slash/viral build is still good after the whole status changes? Trying to change a bit from the red crit Torid lol

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  5 місяців тому

      Yeah it's still good, but you can also use blast if you want, doesn't really matter that much, kills everything both waysb

    • @Niczu.
      @Niczu. Місяць тому

      A bit late reply but... You could also go for the viral + heat instead. Kills faster without any outside buffs compared to this build shown in the video which uses Roar and Arcane Tempo to get this sort of performance.
      Galvanized Hell
      Semi-shotgun Cannonade
      Shotgun Elementalist
      Primed Ravage
      Critical Deceleration
      Toxic Barrage
      Frigid Blast
      Incendiary Coat
      Keep in mind that Galvanized Savvy only applies on direct hits, not the AoE blast. That is why I've personally replaced it with Semi-shotgun Cannonade (this is bit of subjective thing though, use what you prefer). If you have a riven with heat then it would be awesome, just use it in place of Incendiary Coat. I have a +MS +Heat -Impact riven and its pretty nice since it puts heat above viral.
      And if the creator of this video happens to see this; you really should show weapon builds without any outside buffs. Because that is how people can judge the weapon's performance and how it holds on its own. I mean, there is nothing wrong with showing some synergies and buffs too but a raw performance demonstration is definitely something you should always include.

  • @ratguts-l6y
    @ratguts-l6y 2 місяці тому

    this changed my opinion on the strun

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  2 місяці тому +2

      it's the shotgun felarx deserved to be and everyone wished it was lol

  • @aeithales
    @aeithales 3 місяці тому

    hey, i have an good riven here in multishot / damage and toxic but has -85 status chance, can this broke the build and be a bad riven? ty

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  3 місяці тому +1

      well, at least you can use it to play a crit build with strun, but yeah, the -85% chance is not ideal.
      multishot damage and toxic are not that hard to roll, alone, and only mid difficult together.
      -zoom or +recoil would be far better negatives

  • @jamessunderlandfan
    @jamessunderlandfan Місяць тому

    hiya, i just lucked my way into a strun riven, what stats would you recommend, great vid btw!

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks and congrats (:
      any of the following are great
      crit chance / crit damage
      multishot
      damage
      status chance
      to a lesser extent
      elemental damage
      good negatives are -zoom -ammo and so on
      if you get damage, make sure you don't use other pure +damage as they override each other, and become + instead of X modifiers

  • @LvrRammuu
    @LvrRammuu 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm having a hard time choosing between this or latron prime, I'm looking for a boss killer but can still clear rooms, what would you recommend?

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  5 місяців тому

      Both are great, I'd recommend strun but I just prefer shotguns and the feel of
      its Incarnon form, hassle free and the dream everyone wishes felarx incarnon was, LoL.
      With latron you need status or knockdown immunity because the projectiles bounce and hit/ knock you over.
      Both very, very powerful! (:

  • @GOLDplus2-yu5jp
    @GOLDplus2-yu5jp 3 місяці тому

    Whats the difference between a 100% status chance and say 500% status chance? I know about the tier of crit damage from higher crit chance. Also is the bleed dot damage effected by crit damage/crit multiplier, i hope this makes sense.

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  3 місяці тому

      100% proccs 1 status guaranteed, 500% proccs 5 (:
      bleed dot is calcualted based on damage of hit/ crit that effects the target, so yes.

  • @denisvezijak9219
    @denisvezijak9219 7 місяців тому

    7+y enjoyer of Strun Wraith.
    And now with Strun incarnon and my 6y old riven i have always Big problem with "headshot", because pellets mis ( mostly) head even its 20+meters and aiming direct toward enemy head.
    Its easier for some reason with Boar incarnation to "fill" incarnon meter! 😢

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +1

      A connoisseur of shotguns :)
      I found Magus Lockdown arcane or any other crowd controlling ability / slow 🐌 + an up close and personal headshot or two on one or two enemies does the charm :D

    • @sephylon2499
      @sephylon2499 7 місяців тому +1

      Accuracy can narrow the spread. There's a mod for the exilus slot that gives accuracy if you're willing to keep aiming down, otherwise the only other source of accuracy for shotguns that I know of is tainted shell. Rivens don't give accuracy sadly =/

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому

      try the "Twitch" mod on your pistol, it buffs your primary/ shotgun too ;o (: @sephylon2499

  • @ParagonGoetia
    @ParagonGoetia 5 місяців тому

    Hey so Im wondering why shotgun savy? The secondary form of the strun incarnon doesnt benefit from it so if you could explain it, Id be grateful.

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  5 місяців тому +1

      The direct incarnon hit benefits but the a.o.e doesn't, but you have enough a.o.e damage to melt

  • @maxinea.sakaki4151
    @maxinea.sakaki4151 6 місяців тому

    They finally fix the text in the last evolutions

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  6 місяців тому

      You mean with slash in simulacrum now ? (:

    • @maxinea.sakaki4151
      @maxinea.sakaki4151 6 місяців тому

      @@CatalysedCat i had a typo, i fix it, the text in the evolutions now say exactly what it does to sky rocket the status chance like that

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  6 місяців тому

      @@maxinea.sakaki4151 Ah, that's cool, thanks.

  • @ddaaa6389
    @ddaaa6389 2 місяці тому

    thoughts on semi-shotgun cannonade for this?

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  2 місяці тому +1

      yeah could be good for sure man, haven't played with it yet, but probably similar results.
      not sure if the 90% status damage is additive (small percentage damage increase) or multiplicative (genuinely double entire damage of gun)
      in all honesty, you're killing stuff all the way up to level 3k with whatever variant of strun incarnon status setup you choose, after that it falls off a bit and serves more as a primer, or you use another gun/ ability to prime targets, then kill them with a hybrid crit version of this for level cap content.
      the sickest version of status i saw/ used was with Dante, modding for flat toxin, it did giga millions of dot, so cannondale probably best there :)
      i'm more of a melee dude for some reason, there's definitely a few guns i like, reviewed most of them here, tried out all the incarnons now (except bronco haha)

    • @Alatyreon
      @Alatyreon 2 місяці тому

      I don't think it's worth it losing fire rate for something you can get from primary merciless. (cannonade locks your fire rate, so if you use arcane tempo, it's not taking effect.)

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  2 місяці тому

      @@Alatyreon yeah, true, good response, today i played rhino with strun and the fire rate from tempo really makes the gun more fun

  • @bartoszmazur2470
    @bartoszmazur2470 6 місяців тому

    Would you add shotgun elementalist to this build?

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, instead of vigilante armaments, give it a try!
      Especially with saryn's toxic lash, or any dot buffing frame
      Also speed frames make good use of the extra mag cap, 👌
      (Amalgam) shotgun barrage or a volt specter helps unload whole clip faster too
      Not exactly needed as most stuff dies in seconds, but fun !

  • @rudycastillo4150
    @rudycastillo4150 7 місяців тому +1

    Whats giving you over guard?

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +2

      on rhino and dante? their skills

    • @rudycastillo4150
      @rudycastillo4150 7 місяців тому

      @@CatalysedCat rhino?

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +1

      Iron Skin gives you Overguard, and based on how hard enemies are hitting you for the first 3 seconds, it scales up (they changed the way it used to work), you can get it to protect you for millions worth of Overguard with the right build :)

  • @brianbrowneyes5382
    @brianbrowneyes5382 7 місяців тому +15

    Sweeping Serration is better than Hunter Munitions on the Strun.

    • @nguyenhuyduc9151
      @nguyenhuyduc9151 7 місяців тому +7

      It is depend on how your build it. Remember that hunter mu just + 30%slash proc on strun!( plat %)

    • @brianbrowneyes5382
      @brianbrowneyes5382 7 місяців тому +13

      @@nguyenhuyduc9151 Hunter Munitions is a subpar option compared to Sweeping Serration, mathematically speaking. Hunter Munitions is just a +30% chance of slash proc on a weapon that with Sweeping Serration has 100%-200% chance of slash procs, depending on build. There's really no reason to be using Hunter Munitions unless you're running a meme build or just haven't done the math.

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому +20

      oh is that so?
      I thought it had no slash on its incarnon mode, the radial procc even does blast which contends with viral/ slash :<
      Also, because of status being calculated from CRIT instead of its actualy STATUS, due to the large amount of multishot, doesn't it count as a seperate instance of status, allowing viral to immediately stack up the 10x proccs, and complicate the formula more?
      I'll be quick to admit: i don't write mathematical calculations for each of my weapons tests (despite sounding like Loid)... I simply witness the results of modding differently, and this build seemed like the best.
      Thanks all the same guys, with three of you saying the same thing there must be something to this, unless you just used a time machine and are referring to regular Strun use (unlikely).
      Here was someone on reddit who said hunter munitions was still superior in base form and equal in incarnon and that he had calculated why, regarding crit chance, crit damage, and weighting, funnily enough the same reasons I stated:
      "But there is nowhere in your sheet the total avg proc damage/shit between a crit+hm+viral and a slash+viral properly accounting for crit multipliers and viral proc multipliers...
      "Math is great, but when it's complicated and you have an empiric and completely accurate way to simulate and get tests, it becomes not as needed. The fact is both builds have a very similar damage output in incarnon form and the crit+hm has a better output in base form. U do not trust my words? Test it yourself. As easy as that."

    • @brianbrowneyes5382
      @brianbrowneyes5382 7 місяців тому +14

      @@CatalysedCat It's got 50% slash weight on the Incarnon form AOE, and with two 60/60s for viral has overall 40% Slash weighting with Sweeping Serration. With Hunter Munitions, you get +30% chance of a SINGLE additional Slash Proc on a crit (put another way, you average one additional Slash Proc per 3 critical hits).
      Try it out with Sweeping Serration instead of Hunter Munitions, and you'll see a significant increase in the average number of slash procs.
      Hunter Munitions is great for decoupling Slash procs from status weighting, but the Strun Incarnon with appropriate evolutions has such sufficiently high slash weighting and status chance that it's strictly inferior to Sweeping Serration in this niche case.
      Edit: u/TheFrostSerpah is generally wrong in that thread and definitely not someone I'd trust as an aspiring Warframe content creator in the face of someone who not only did the math but showed his calculations while doing so.

    • @nguyenhuyduc9151
      @nguyenhuyduc9151 7 місяців тому +7

      Just quick test again. And yes, you are.right and im wrong. It boost my slash chance from.91% to 151%( 131% to 151) the 20% is small so we cant feel the different

  • @benangotti3281
    @benangotti3281 7 місяців тому

    Which vid for the givaway? Best bro, Angotti.

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому

      hey Bro, it's this one: ua-cam.com/video/HuUWmgsVEJY/v-deo.html (:
      also can also post in the community thread here if people prefer, don't have to watch the entire vid :P
      www.youtube.com/@CatalysedCat/community

  • @cheesejuice_
    @cheesejuice_ 7 місяців тому

    why are you running old viral munition on gun capable of inflicting 14+ corrosives per tap?

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому

      i like playing with armour stripping frames/ unairu/ letting my pet (sentinel with verglas) a.o.e armour strip + inflict cold ? (:
      and viral + slash ignores armour anyway... can't have 2 emerald shards on every frame xD
      Have a great +crit dam, +dam, +electric riven i rolled randomly, also one of the reasons xD

  • @lennardeierkuchen6985
    @lennardeierkuchen6985 6 місяців тому

    thanks

  • @Yagi741
    @Yagi741 7 місяців тому +2

    With roar ...

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  7 місяців тому

      there were a lot of Times/ Spawns in this clip where it was inactive.
      And my rhino only has 200% Strength anyway.
      Thanks for your comment though, i guess.

  • @gurkengerd9981
    @gurkengerd9981 5 місяців тому

    Clever to unpause AI on your "final form" build so people cant see how shit the weapon still is compared to other weapons lmao

    • @CatalysedCat
      @CatalysedCat  5 місяців тому +1

      Don't be bitter, just get better 😀

  • @bulzanadrian1
    @bulzanadrian1 7 місяців тому

    waw