If we talking about Templars in Dragon Age, many people talk about them as scums and criminals but I didn't see reason why. In the DA:O where central problem between mages/templars was only in Ferelden Circle, actions of templars were reasonable because they think that nothing could save the circle, and what's more important Greagoir seems as a wise leader - he let the Grey Warden try to save the mages, He was truly glad to see Irving alive, and he refuse Cullen request to kill all the mages. Also we see templars helping people in Lothering, and we can also remember Otto who was blind but still come to help people in elven alienage in Denerim. The second Dragon Age was definitly all about conflict between mages and templars, and I think the main idea was to show the problems of so called "circle" system, but the funny thing is that no matter who I played (or how many times) but the mages in my opinion were shown worse than a templars because many of templars were shown like a possitive characters Wesley - husband of Aveline, Thrask who was on mages side untill his death, Samson who didn't approve Meredith actions and was thrown from the Order, Keran who was kidnapped by blood mages but still unite with Thrask rebelion, Emeric who investigate the missings of women in Kirkwall, and Cullen who become less paranoid and more wise person, what we clearly see when he refuse to kill mages which turn themselves to Meredith, and what is more important take Meredith from command. All I want to say that templars not cruel beasts as far as mages not so white and fluffy, each side has good/bad people , I really like that in the 3rd game we are becoming the leader of united back into inqusition seekers of truth and templars, because it is our role not only to save the world (again) but also to make everyone feels different about that organization and show it's new face either it be good or not.
Never did like Templars, I've NEVER on any of my Playthru's of DA1&2 taken the side out the Templars. In that sense I already know who's side I'm taking in DA:I
I believe that the idea and purpose of the Templars was a good one, but the way it has been carried out in some cases has been uncalled for. To bring Order to what is seen as Chaos, and to protect both the Mages and the innocent. And yet, most Mages ARE innocent. In most cases, it is the constant fear, imprisonment, and persecution that drives a Mage to Blood Magic. They merely fight for their freedom. But, the price of such freedom is steep. I do not condone most of what the Templars, in the name of the Maker, have done, but I do believe that they are needed. Not to imprison and steal one's humanity, but to protect and defend. The Templars serve a cruel master: The Chantry. "Magic is meant to serve Man, never to rule over him." I'm sure that Andraste did not mean this in the literal sense. The Chantry have twisted Her words in order to justify their actions. However, there are some things that cannot be justified. Where in The Chant of Light does it say that Man should rule over Magic? The Chantry is corrupt, and they have dragged the Templars down with them. In order for the Templars to truly serve their purpose, they must break away from the Chantry. They must rebuild and stand vigilant against those who would harm the Maker's children. Because, Mages ARE the Maker's children, too.
ras144 Sorry for the lack of a reply. I needed to think carefully before I replied. I agree with you about Anders. His actions were damnable. However, keep in mind that the Circle in Kirkwall was one of the most brutal in Thedas. Also keep in mind that the Kirkwall Chantry, while neutral, did nothing to aid the Mages that were being crushed by Meredith's fist. Is it not the Chantry that oversees the Templars? In any event, neither Anders, The Chantry, or the Templars were right. But then, in these cases, it's not so easy to determine what is "right" or "wrong."
***** The actions of a few should not damn the rest. Everyone makes their own choices. Were I born a Mage, I would not wish to be judged solely by the actions of other Mages. As for Anders, he speaks cruely of Blood Mages, yet he willingly chose to bound himself to the spirit of Justice, corrupting it into Vengence. Is he any better than the Blood Mages he damns? It's one thing to be corrupted by a demon; it's something else to corrupt a Fade Spirit.
***** Anders is indeed a hypocryte, I agree. However, everyone has the potential to be evil, not just Mages. Magic can be dangerous, sure. But, so too can everyone else. Maybe even more so. Were I born a Mage, and chose to live a just life outside of the Circle, putting my talents to good use, should I be damned for simply having the gift of magic? I think not. I will not be held accountable for the actions of other mages. I shall not become a prisoner simply because The Chantry has taught the masses to live in fear.
WingsofLightandDark Amen. Wasn't that part of what Malcolm Hawke taught his kids? (Mine was a Mage, btw.) "I left the Circle, but I made a vow that I would use my magic to serve that which is best in me, not that which is most base," Tell me if you can recognize where this line comes from? (A bit over the top, but I felt it appropriate.) "They can be a good people if they wish to be, they lack only the light to show the way." And gong back to DA, what about the templars that treated Mages like they were...oh I don't know...people? Like Sir Thrask or Conrad, after you save (I think his name was Kerah? ) a recruit from an abomination? Yes, Conrad. The same Conrad that hid behind a holy barrier and was rambling like a crazy person when the Ferelden Circle Tower was taken over by Uldred. He's one of the few templars in the third act to question Meredith after you saved the recruit and he firsthand saw one of his own get taken over by a demon.
WingsofLightandDark If a person decides to become evil they can kill several people, maybe more given enough time. If a mage decides to become evil they can kill entire towns, even more-so if they become an abomination. If you were born a mage outside of the circle with nobody to guide you you would end up like Connor: an abomination on the verge of wiping out an entire city. There was no malice with Connor, but ignorance and magic in DA only results in disaster, and not everybody has Malcolm Hawke or Flemeth to help them. Mages are just factually more dangerous than the average man. Templars not only protect mages from themselves but others from mages as well while also providing better living accommodations than your typical Fereldan or Kirkwall citizen. Is it a gilded cage? Yes. Do the Templars oppress mages too much? Yes. Is the Circle system necessary? Definitely. Long story short: Mages suck. Templars also suck. Both need a serious revamp in the way they approach things, but as long as mages exist templars or some form of guardian will be necessary to watch over them.
I don't think all of the Templars will become red lyrium Templars. Considering we'll get to decide between Templars and Mages, we'll need regular, reasonable, not crazy, and good Templars that we can side with. I think whether you're pro-mage or pro-templar, you're gonna have to wipe out the red Templar.
Woo hoo! New DA Talk :D I think Rogue/Red Templars are going to hunt mages down mercilessly and oppose the Inquisitor. While the Templars that support the chantry will protect the Divine, protect the people from the crazy mages and possibly help/support the Inquisitor. Maybe even help apostates against the Rogue Templars.
What will their role be in Inquisition? Well, like you said, some Templars will stick with the Chantry, others are going to go rogue, like the Red Templars, so that makes the question more complicated to answer. The Red Templars, presumably, will be an antagonistic force, whereas the other Templars may be ambivalent. Regarding Anders, I'm planning on playing as a Qunari Mage in Inquisition (though I'm betting Qunari PCs will be more like Tal-Vashoth) so I'm hoping that I'll get to go head to head with one of the people responsible for the chaos consuming the world (or a cult of resolutionists that idolize him).
The templars are extremely divided, especially now with the reveal of the Red templars. As we saw from the Pax play through the Red templars were attacking a village and the inquisitors fort meaning that they are not just focusing on mages. Perhaps they are trying to gain power or perhaps they're just crazy like Meridith was after using the red lyrium. However that said, I think that the Templars will now be a force that can be used or discarded by the inquisitor until the solution between the mages is solved. I love these DA talks next one could we possibly talk about where our Warden and Hawke are and how they may impact the next game or where they disappeared to after events of DA2.
I think the red lyrium is going to have a huge role in the main story line. like maybe some huge quest where the red lyrium goes out of control from the Templars using it so much that huge red lyrium crystals will start sprouting on the surface and start infecting people with a more jacked up verse of its song.
According to Coripheous, the Chant of Light is true but greed, arrogance and pretty promises of old gods are to blame not the simple fact that the Tevinter Magisters were mages (the Black City can even be seen in DA:O). Templars are a shield, they have the the duty to protect people from mages but they steadily became zealots and fanatical over time. There are mages that will abuse their power and mages that will do good though they all treated with disrespect. The poor treatment of mages, the imprisonment in their learning places or incarceration in Aonar; these are some of the reasons why the mages revolted in the first place. Anders simply rushed the inevitable in a brutal manner. Templars need to be brought back in order and the mages have to be treated as people not as scourges.
I think that all of the rebel Templars will become Red Templars, because being separate from the Chantry means that they don't get their lyrium they are hooked on. So to counter that, the rebels must have found a way to the Premeval Thaig and use the red lyrium to sate their addiction and boost their power. I also think that the Templars still loyal with the Chantry will just act as peacekeepers in the beginning of the game trying to keep the violence and destruction of the Mage-Templar War to a minimum until the Inquisitor convinces them to join him/her during a main plot quest. I think mages still loyal to the Chantry will join the Loyalist Templars as well. So I think the Mage-Templar War will be Red Templars vs Rebel Mages vs Chantry Loyalists (made up of Seekers, Templars, and Mages).
Templars(reg) would probably be aiming to bring the old order in hopes it comes back in the exact same form, or modified in the sense. However, for Red Templars I can see them in the most extreme form as probably wanting complete control of Thedas for the sake of order.....and extermination of all magical beings....maybe. In whatever case I'm really curious about how these Red Templars will react towards the Chantry when it forms an opposition in response to their extreme actions. I mean, the Templars exist for both order of magic and protecting the Chantry, right?
Templar, Chantry and Mages are all in the wright and in the wrong in some way or anthoer. There has to be anthoer way other then the Tower or the Tevinter Magister
It would be interesting to see if the old system of Templars could be replaced with a police force composed of both law abiding mages and Lyrium (perhaps a refined version of red Lyrium that has been modified to not corrupt/drive the host insane)/enchantments enhanced non-mages. ^^
I don't think that we can speak of "the Templars" in Inquisition anymore. I am very sure, that not all of them will have fallen to the red Lyrium, although they (as an Army of empowered Madmen) will surely get more Attention than the Groups, who have retained their Sanity. I even expect some very harsh internal Conflict in what formerly were the Templars.
If you ask me the Templar's and the Chantry are nothing but hypocrites. David Gaider has said in one of his earlier fan asked interview video (for DA2 if I recall correctly) the phylacteries is a form of blood magic that the Templar use. So they say it is forbidden but the Chantry and Templar use and encourage the most convenient forms that only benefits themselves. And in DA2 Legacy it is revealed that Malcolm Hawke was a blood mage but only because someone else made him do it to seal Corypheus. While it wasn't fully known to the Chantry, a higher order did force a mage to do evil acts for the greater good. As bad as they say blood magic is; they still force mages to do it when only it is convenient for "the greater good." That is why I side with the mages, some turn to it for power, but most are encourage and forced by them. A few things I will say I like about the new YT comment system. 1) Don't have to reply to myself to get my full point across. 2) Able to edit.
While I agree with your two comments, the comment section permits too much spam (I've had to disapprove some Braveheart movie scripts and that on a few of my vids) and the force in integration has fudged the video views for most content creators. But I'm glad others are utilizing my Tumblr and Facebook methods. Makes it easier, though I'm sure I'll miss the heated conversations here.
Well, yea the new comment system does leave a lot for spam. I do like getting my full point across, I rarely have anything more then 500 characters to say. But my original comment I fixed it up five times cause nothing is ever said right the first time.
Ashe | Lady Insanity They are bunch off hypocrites and liars tis Dumat who was responsible for Blackening the Golden city according to Corypheos.The Chantry uses lies and fear to justify their fanatical crusade against all mages.Recently I watched Dragons Age Dawn off the Seekers it explains a lot off things about Cassandra.She hates mages because her brother was cut down by a Blood Mage group who needed Dragon hunters to seek out a dragon.And no I don't think Seekers are any better then Templars if you ask me they are worse.I ll rather die as a free apostate then live as a slave to the chantry one minute.There are worse things then death being Tranquil for example,that is the worse punishment for a mage to suffer."There can be no peace between Templars and Mages Anders is right about many things.There is no compromise,there is no peace just slavery or freedom those are our options.At the end off this war one off us will stand and the other ones shall fall so let it be.I am driven by survival and might the longer we fight the stronger we get."I am Justice and I am Vengeance......BLOOD Can only be repaid in BLOOD".
If the Templars are having one of their Mage culling sessions then a Mage has probably opened the theirs in the fade as a counter attack similar to the chap in the origins dlc at wardens keep
Warning, Spoilers Ahead. I believe that within their ranks the Templars do have those with good intentions, those that want to work with mages and further protect them from others just as they protect the world from them. Evangeline from DA: Asunder is one example of this sort of Templar and I believe more are out there. Naturally a majority of templars will have a role in DAI as an antagonists toward mages, given the Mage-Templar War. Red Templars, who supposedly make use of Red Lyrium, perhaps follow in the footsteps of Meredith and use their power to dominate while being paranoid of any interference with their so-called holy work, and thus a primarily antagonistic group of enemies. Other Templar factions may be more amenable to change. In some cases the Chantry may still control a number of devout templars, while others will have struck out on their own or formed other groups. Their view of the Inquisition, however, will vary depending on Protagonist choices, associations, and of course their personal view on how the inquisition should operate within the world. As for the other topics covered within this video, I believe the Harrowing is done to prepare mages, protect them from further dangers, and to protect others from the possibility of corruptible or unprepared mages that may be corrupted. Phylacteries are also a method of protection on both sides, and thus a necessity where mages are concerned, much like weapon registry by governments. Matters of Tranquility and the Rite of Annulment are difficult to approach, but tranquility should only be a last resort method, or upon request. Pharamond's research proves there are ways around it, but a better method should be found, just as the current Divine wants. The Rite of Annulment is... difficult to approach to say the least. It's an absolute control and threat that both sides have to live with and it can even be abused. It's an unfair use of power and a different way should be found. Were there a way to detect truth or lie, blood magic, corruption, demonic influence, etc. things could be different. Their addiction to Lyrium is horrible to say the least, though it's unclear if Alistair suffers this withdrawal, or if he retains his abilities without continuing use of Lyrium. If templars are able to use their abilities without the aid of lyrium then it should be pursued, though alternative methods are hard to come by and aren't always as effective as current methods.
Alistair didn't suffer the withdrawal because he didn't become a official Templar, however I do agree with the Rite of Tranquility and the Annulment. It is the person behind the order to be afraid of as to the order itself.
I believe that Templars once had a noble cause to not allow another Imperium be created. However over time they got more strict and got more power to the point of being able to make big changes to cities and laws, which should be outside their domain. They can now basically order a city to impose martial law if they even suspect a maleficar or blood mage, and then kill any with a slither of magical potential, whether it is real or not. The Templar order needs to change in order to protect everyone, even mages, from evil. But I think the only way to do that is to show them what their laws, their strict codes and mostly unethical means with which they achieve their goals. When you wipe out each town to protect everyone, you might save them. But what would happen if their are none left? If every town, every city, every place of living is destroyed, what is there left to protect? You once stood against evil and corruption, now you have become the beast.
DA talks make me subscribe to you finally some people who loves DA as much as me. And for the red templars the same as DA 2 gotta choose side with the red templars, mages or simply restore order as it was before Anders blew up the chantry and Maredith went cuckoo.
Am I the only one who wants to be able to recruit the red templars? They looked badass and so did Meredith's sword. Plus they can make golems without sacrificing lives.
I think too many people try and force the issue to be a Black and White Morality thing. Templars are necessary, and it's better to be Tranquil than be dead, and certainly it's better than being an abomination (which are the only other choices). That said, I tend to think of it depending on the situation rather than being pro-mage or pro-templar but generally when I'm forced to pick a side I'll go pro-mage. I think there'll be a split in the Templars between the ones who want to kill all mages (Red Templars maybe?) and the ones who just want to return to the status quo and bring the Circles back. I'm hoping there'll be more situations where the mages will be objectively wrong like the Quarians in Mass Effect 3 so people are less inclined to just automatically side with them
I think there's a middleground (: Everyone can do crime, mages or non-mages, yet we don't lock up everyone (: I just think mages should be free, but blood magic should be outlawed and templars should still go around and try to find these blood mages, instead of standing guard in a tower. We've seen several times how the circle has forced mages into blood magic because of their fear for the templars and becomming tranquil (perfect example is the guy in the mage starting zone).
There should be a middleground, and that's what I'll be trying to find in DA:I, but it's also important that people remember that all mages are dangerous by default. At any time any of them can turn into an abomination and start killing people. I think the example David Gaider used was that if a large portion of the population suddenly snapped and started murdering everybody in a 5 mile radius for no reason it wouldn't be seen as extreme to start locking them all up even if it wasn't something that they all did. It can happen to any mage and it's only because of Gameplay/Story Segregation that it's never been a risk for players/companions
Yes, what I said was basically the best middleground I could think of (: Besides, anyone are dangerous by default, yes, mages might be more than anyone else. There should still be schools for mages where templars can let them go through the harrowing and that kinda stuff, to make sure they're safe for the world, but locking them up for good isn't a good solution (:
I think Matthias from DLC the stone prisoner is Maric Theirin other son. Why because in the dragon age the calling Maric visit his old friend Wilhelm and how Matthias resemblance Cailan and Alistair. Also Matthias seem to know little bit of magic he could be a mage just like his mother Fiona.
I don't think it's fair to state that Anders's actions alone caused the fighting, as it gets mentioned throughout Inquisition and other sources that the tensions were thick for a long time. The destruction of the Chantry was a spark that made everything explode.
I'm wondering where the red lyrium came from like BlackDragoonV7. I mean Hawke's expedition only turned up that one piece. Did someone go deeper in and find more? And I just wanted to ask, I thought the events at the White Tower were what started the war, not Anders blowing up the Chantry in Kirkwall.
jakisz I am glad that he removed the chance off compromise there can be no peace between the Chantry and the Mages.What is better to live as a Chantry slave or to go down kicking and fighting you tell me?.At the end off this battle one faction shall fall and the other one shall rise stronger then ever.I am telling you I'd hate to see the Chantry win for they would treat us even worse if they do.
I was a good mage in all of the Dragon Age games yet only 2Templars trusted me and saw i was really trying to help the world. But the other 99% saw me as an evil Blood-Mage. I never even used blood magic.
My Warden was a rogue... My Hawke was a mage... My Inquisitor will be a warrior. I can't decide if that will be as a Champion or a Templar. I love the Templars, but admit they are not a perfect organization. I am wondering how being a Templar will effect being the Inquisitor. And to what extent would the Inquisitor be a Templar? Would He/She already be addicted to Lyrium? Or would it be more like Allistair or a Warrior Warden Templar where you use the Templar skills without enhancing them with Lyrium? Will being a Templar already have an effect on your relationship with the mage characters? Will it limit your ability to negotiate with mages? If I am not happy with the results of being a Templar, then I guess I can start over and pick the Champion instead.
I see the Templars as more of a police organization than a military one. That's probably just me being influenced by my own experience being retired from the Army. But here, to me, is why it is important. The military takes its orders from the civilian government, such as King Alistair. However, the Templars have always taken orders from the Chantry and enforced Chantry laws upon mages. Now that the Chantry and the Templars have severed that relationship, I believe the Templars will be a lot like a chicken with its head cut off. The heirarchy of the organization is gone, the support channels, logistics, all of it. Even the lyrium trade was controlled by the Chantry. How will the Templars compensate for this lack of upper level management and leadership. Yeah, its nice striking out on your own, but do you have the mechanisms in place to feed, clothe and equip your people? Perhaps I'm over thinking this, but I have witnessed several regime/governments change hands, and when its by coupe, its chaos. There's always a break down of services and in many cases, the organizations/governments are never able to recover. By the way, I wonder what country the Templars take over? Its not like they can squat in Ferelden. Ferelden has an Army, as does the other countries. Are they going to be roving bands of mercenaries with no base of operations? If I was a sovereign nation and the Templars wanted to set up shop within my borders, as Oghren said, I'd have to introduce my boot to their arses....
I think the Templars are going to keep trying to rid the world of mages, but red Templars, losing their sanity and all will do anything to do it, even harming innocent non-mages. It's also unfair to treat mages like they aren't people just because of something they can't control. Looking at mages like Wynne and Hawke, if he is a mage he didn't even go through a Harrowing and he turns out fine.
I believe that the Templars and the country should just leave the mages alone but the towers are a good idea. A safe environment for mages to learn the limits of magic and then decide how they should use.
Templars and the country leaving mages alone= Tevinter. Where magisters openly use Blood Magic (They created the Blight) treat their slaves worse than even the harshest Templar would treat a mage, and live in a corrupt dangerous world where magic rules over man. Mages are dangerous; not everyone is Hawke/Warden, a single little girl can kill 72 people before being put down if they become an abomination with no Templars nearby. Merediths sister did that, and its what taught Meredith vigilance.
I'm definitely not going to show the Templars any mercy, but I also won't show the Chantry any, because forcing your soldiers into drug addiction is about as far from being innocent bystanders as you can get!
BirthOfSerpents Except from the let's plays I've been watching, it seems the Chantry has grown corrupted, much like the church. Some quests allude to members within the Chantry attempting to assassinate each other to increase their chance of advancement through the ranks. Definitely not the pious and compassionate priestesses we've been lead to believe.
BirthOfSerpents There are other forms of government which are keeping order after the Chantry fell to pieces. The Qun and Tevinter seem to be on top of things in their home lands. The Templars were the Chantry's military agents. When the Templars left, all they had were a bunch of people in robes spouting nonsense.
+BirthOfSerpents Right, because destroying the homelands and subjugating the people who refuse to bow to your teachings is something the Chantry would never condone. Oh wait...
BirthOfSerpents pfft, screw that. I've got no intention of bending and scraping before slack jawed peasants who treated us like ticking time bombs, then were shocked when we blew up. It's time for Mages to gain equality!
BirthOfSerpents Right, just one abomination could destroy a village. Except for the fact that you slaughter dozens quite handily throughout the course of the games. As for Templars being vital to keeping things under control, there are the Dhalish who seem to work quite well without Chantry supervision. And then there are the Tevinter, which according to the Chantry's rhetoric, we should be seeing an army of demons marching across the empire's border performing wonton blood magic in the streets. But that's obviously not the case. Mages rule the empire, and yet they seem perfectly in control of themselves. In the words of Solas, Templars protect people... *from thinking*
I think Templars in inquisition are turning borderline evil without being obligated to the chantry they hunt mages but from dialogue and information in gameplay demos Templars are killing innocent people because of paranoia and lack of knowledge on mages going as far as killing a man who was digging because they thought his shovel was a staff in disguise at least mages are killing so they can survive they don't have a choice but Templars no longer obligated to the chantry can try and work something out instead they continue to mercilessly hunt mages
If Culen is in DA:I I really hope he isn't a mandatory party member the game forces you to recruit because well he is a Templar and I dont like Templar's and refuse to have one in my party and would rather kill him tbh and the same goes with Cassandra she had better NOT be mandatory party member.
Gaider says most if not all party members are optional, dismissable, might be able to kill them, or they just might leave on their own if they hate you enough. Meaning you don't have to recruit them or can release them or kill them but not sure if that applies to Cassandra, she might be a mandatory one and probably will have something to do with the inquisition being reformed.
If that's true then AWESOME! I really missed the companion approval system in DA2 as I never understood why in DA2 if you did sometthing really unspeakable like hand Fenris over to Danarias (which I did because I cant stand that irritating grumpy asswipe) it surprised me that Aveline didn't decide to leave and not affiliate herself with Hawke anymore as I really didnt see her being a goody-2-shoes guard allowing a slaver to take back his slave Also I like the approval system in DA:O as it was rather easy to get the chosen party member's approval high if u liked em and u could possibly have the characters you dont like leave and I didnt like the approval system in DA2 because if u wanted 2 max out freindship/rivalry you had to say the exact right thing's for each party member and the only way you would be able to max out each party member's freindship/rivalry easily was to look it up on the DA Wiki I hope we get to kill/dismiss any party member's as I know if given the chance I WILL kill Cullen, maybe dismiss Cassandra unless I really hate her personality e.g. she is the female equivalent of Sebastian and never shut's up about the Chantry or Maker *groans* I wanted to run Sebastian through for the entirety of DA2 *beats self up over buying that stupid DLC* In other word's I reaaallly hope they bring back DA:O approval system.
There are to many ways the Templars could be bad. Evenless so with the mages. Templars can to Easley say we want to kill them all with the RIGHT OF ANNULMENT. Were as mages can to Easley fall prey to a demon for power, freedom, heck even protection. I think the Templars are good but to many are evil and not enough are good. Mages can be great yes they are denied freedom and and always watched but how many will fall prey to demons and plague the world. To many shades of grey.
Well I remind every demon where his place is and if he gets an attitude I just ask medium,rare or extra crispy :D....Templars are tools and that's a fact they are unfit to do their duty,mostly because they are fanatical ass holes with no logic what so ever.Even the Chantry says that they prefer dumb,brain washed,obedient little soldiers to their dirty work.And then they get a pet on their back,well done the maker shall reward you for murdering innocent mages.Not all are innocent but those morons rarely care who is innocent and who is not kind off their policy.
If we talking about Templars in Dragon Age, many people talk about them as scums and criminals but I didn't see reason why. In the DA:O where central problem between mages/templars was only in Ferelden Circle, actions of templars were reasonable because they think that nothing could save the circle, and what's more important Greagoir seems as a wise leader - he let the Grey Warden try to save the mages, He was truly glad to see Irving alive, and he refuse Cullen request to kill all the mages. Also we see templars helping people in Lothering, and we can also remember Otto who was blind but still come to help people in elven alienage in Denerim.
The second Dragon Age was definitly all about conflict between mages and templars, and I think the main idea was to show the problems of so called "circle" system, but the funny thing is that no matter who I played (or how many times) but the mages in my opinion were shown worse than a templars because many of templars were shown like a possitive characters Wesley - husband of Aveline, Thrask who was on mages side untill his death, Samson who didn't approve Meredith actions and was thrown from the Order, Keran who was kidnapped by blood mages but still unite with Thrask rebelion, Emeric who investigate the missings of women in Kirkwall, and Cullen who become less paranoid and more wise person, what we clearly see when he refuse to kill mages which turn themselves to Meredith, and what is more important take Meredith from command. All I want to say that templars not cruel beasts as far as mages not so white and fluffy, each side has good/bad people , I really like that in the 3rd game we are becoming the leader of united back into inqusition seekers of truth and templars, because it is our role not only to save the world (again) but also to make everyone feels different about that organization and show it's new face either it be good or not.
BirthOfSerpents Glad to hear that )
It's so refreshing to hear someone discuss Dragon Age that actually has a vast knowledge of the setting. Can't wait for more!
Never did like Templars, I've NEVER on any of my Playthru's of DA1&2 taken the side out the Templars. In that sense I already know who's side I'm taking in DA:I
ras144
well I hate all the mages in the game
I believe that the idea and purpose of the Templars was a good one, but the way it has been carried out in some cases has been uncalled for. To bring Order to what is seen as Chaos, and to protect both the Mages and the innocent. And yet, most Mages ARE innocent. In most cases, it is the constant fear, imprisonment, and persecution that drives a Mage to Blood Magic. They merely fight for their freedom. But, the price of such freedom is steep. I do not condone most of what the Templars, in the name of the Maker, have done, but I do believe that they are needed. Not to imprison and steal one's humanity, but to protect and defend. The Templars serve a cruel master: The Chantry. "Magic is meant to serve Man, never to rule over him." I'm sure that Andraste did not mean this in the literal sense. The Chantry have twisted Her words in order to justify their actions. However, there are some things that cannot be justified. Where in The Chant of Light does it say that Man should rule over Magic? The Chantry is corrupt, and they have dragged the Templars down with them. In order for the Templars to truly serve their purpose, they must break away from the Chantry. They must rebuild and stand vigilant against those who would harm the Maker's children. Because, Mages ARE the Maker's children, too.
ras144 Sorry for the lack of a reply. I needed to think carefully before I replied. I agree with you about Anders. His actions were damnable. However, keep in mind that the Circle in Kirkwall was one of the most brutal in Thedas. Also keep in mind that the Kirkwall Chantry, while neutral, did nothing to aid the Mages that were being crushed by Meredith's fist. Is it not the Chantry that oversees the Templars? In any event, neither Anders, The Chantry, or the Templars were right. But then, in these cases, it's not so easy to determine what is "right" or "wrong."
***** The actions of a few should not damn the rest. Everyone makes their own choices. Were I born a Mage, I would not wish to be judged solely by the actions of other Mages. As for Anders, he speaks cruely of Blood Mages, yet he willingly chose to bound himself to the spirit of Justice, corrupting it into Vengence. Is he any better than the Blood Mages he damns? It's one thing to be corrupted by a demon; it's something else to corrupt a Fade Spirit.
***** Anders is indeed a hypocryte, I agree. However, everyone has the potential to be evil, not just Mages. Magic can be dangerous, sure. But, so too can everyone else. Maybe even more so. Were I born a Mage, and chose to live a just life outside of the Circle, putting my talents to good use, should I be damned for simply having the gift of magic? I think not. I will not be held accountable for the actions of other mages. I shall not become a prisoner simply because The Chantry has taught the masses to live in fear.
WingsofLightandDark Amen. Wasn't that part of what Malcolm Hawke taught his kids? (Mine was a Mage, btw.) "I left the Circle, but I made a vow that I would use my magic to serve that which is best in me, not that which is most base," Tell me if you can recognize where this line comes from? (A bit over the top, but I felt it appropriate.) "They can be a good people if they wish to be, they lack only the light to show the way." And gong back to DA, what about the templars that treated Mages like they were...oh I don't know...people? Like Sir Thrask or Conrad, after you save (I think his name was Kerah? ) a recruit from an abomination? Yes, Conrad. The same Conrad that hid behind a holy barrier and was rambling like a crazy person when the Ferelden Circle Tower was taken over by Uldred. He's one of the few templars in the third act to question Meredith after you saved the recruit and he firsthand saw one of his own get taken over by a demon.
WingsofLightandDark If a person decides to become evil they can kill several people, maybe more given enough time. If a mage decides to become evil they can kill entire towns, even more-so if they become an abomination. If you were born a mage outside of the circle with nobody to guide you you would end up like Connor: an abomination on the verge of wiping out an entire city. There was no malice with Connor, but ignorance and magic in DA only results in disaster, and not everybody has Malcolm Hawke or Flemeth to help them. Mages are just factually more dangerous than the average man. Templars not only protect mages from themselves but others from mages as well while also providing better living accommodations than your typical Fereldan or Kirkwall citizen. Is it a gilded cage? Yes. Do the Templars oppress mages too much? Yes. Is the Circle system necessary? Definitely.
Long story short: Mages suck. Templars also suck. Both need a serious revamp in the way they approach things, but as long as mages exist templars or some form of guardian will be necessary to watch over them.
I don't think all of the Templars will become red lyrium Templars. Considering we'll get to decide between Templars and Mages, we'll need regular, reasonable, not crazy, and good Templars that we can side with. I think whether you're pro-mage or pro-templar, you're gonna have to wipe out the red Templar.
Ashe | Lady Insanity You are amazing narrator, i love your voice :)
Woo hoo! New DA Talk :D
I think Rogue/Red Templars are going to hunt mages down mercilessly and oppose the Inquisitor.
While the Templars that support the chantry will protect the Divine, protect the people from the crazy mages and possibly help/support the Inquisitor. Maybe even help apostates against the Rogue Templars.
What will their role be in Inquisition? Well, like you said, some Templars will stick with the Chantry, others are going to go rogue, like the Red Templars, so that makes the question more complicated to answer. The Red Templars, presumably, will be an antagonistic force, whereas the other Templars may be ambivalent.
Regarding Anders, I'm planning on playing as a Qunari Mage in Inquisition (though I'm betting Qunari PCs will be more like Tal-Vashoth) so I'm hoping that I'll get to go head to head with one of the people responsible for the chaos consuming the world (or a cult of resolutionists that idolize him).
The templars are extremely divided, especially now with the reveal of the Red templars. As we saw from the Pax play through the Red templars were attacking a village and the inquisitors fort meaning that they are not just focusing on mages. Perhaps they are trying to gain power or perhaps they're just crazy like Meridith was after using the red lyrium. However that said, I think that the Templars will now be a force that can be used or discarded by the inquisitor until the solution between the mages is solved. I love these DA talks next one could we possibly talk about where our Warden and Hawke are and how they may impact the next game or where they disappeared to after events of DA2.
I think the red lyrium is going to have a huge role in the main story line. like maybe some huge quest where the red lyrium goes out of control from the Templars using it so much that huge red lyrium crystals will start sprouting on the surface and start infecting people with a more jacked up verse of its song.
According to Coripheous, the Chant of Light is true but greed, arrogance and pretty promises of old gods are to blame not the simple fact that the Tevinter Magisters were mages (the Black City can even be seen in DA:O). Templars are a shield, they have the the duty to protect people from mages but they steadily became zealots and fanatical over time. There are mages that will abuse their power and mages that will do good though they all treated with disrespect. The poor treatment of mages, the imprisonment in their learning places or incarceration in Aonar; these are some of the reasons why the mages revolted in the first place. Anders simply rushed the inevitable in a brutal manner. Templars need to be brought back in order and the mages have to be treated as people not as scourges.
You're right there has to be a middle ground most blood mages I have seen resorted to blood magic because of being backed into a corner by Templars
I think that all of the rebel Templars will become Red Templars, because being separate from the Chantry means that they don't get their lyrium they are hooked on. So to counter that, the rebels must have found a way to the Premeval Thaig and use the red lyrium to sate their addiction and boost their power. I also think that the Templars still loyal with the Chantry will just act as peacekeepers in the beginning of the game trying to keep the violence and destruction of the Mage-Templar War to a minimum until the Inquisitor convinces them to join him/her during a main plot quest. I think mages still loyal to the Chantry will join the Loyalist Templars as well. So I think the Mage-Templar War will be Red Templars vs Rebel Mages vs Chantry Loyalists (made up of Seekers, Templars, and Mages).
Templars(reg) would probably be aiming to bring the old order in hopes it comes back in the exact same form, or modified in the sense. However, for Red Templars I can see them in the most extreme form as probably wanting complete control of Thedas for the sake of order.....and extermination of all magical beings....maybe. In whatever case I'm really curious about how these Red Templars will react towards the Chantry when it forms an opposition in response to their extreme actions. I mean, the Templars exist for both order of magic and protecting the Chantry, right?
Great Vid as always Ashe, really appreciate them :D.
Templar, Chantry and Mages are all in the wright and in the wrong in some way or anthoer. There has to be anthoer way other then the Tower or the Tevinter Magister
It would be interesting to see if the old system of Templars could be replaced with a police force composed of both law abiding mages and Lyrium (perhaps a refined version of red Lyrium that has been modified to not corrupt/drive the host insane)/enchantments enhanced non-mages. ^^
I don't think that we can speak of "the Templars" in Inquisition anymore. I am very sure, that not all of them will have fallen to the red Lyrium, although they (as an Army of empowered Madmen) will surely get more Attention than the Groups, who have retained their Sanity. I even expect some very harsh internal Conflict in what formerly were the Templars.
If you ask me the Templar's and the Chantry are nothing but hypocrites. David Gaider has said in one of his earlier fan asked interview video (for DA2 if I recall correctly) the phylacteries is a form of blood magic that the Templar use. So they say it is forbidden but the Chantry and Templar use and encourage the most convenient forms that only benefits themselves. And in DA2 Legacy it is revealed that Malcolm Hawke was a blood mage but only because someone else made him do it to seal Corypheus. While it wasn't fully known to the Chantry, a higher order did force a mage to do evil acts for the greater good. As bad as they say blood magic is; they still force mages to do it when only it is convenient for "the greater good." That is why I side with the mages, some turn to it for power, but most are encourage and forced by them.
A few things I will say I like about the new YT comment system. 1) Don't have to reply to myself to get my full point across. 2) Able to edit.
I pretty much agree.
Raven Redoblado With the hypocrites point, or the YT comment system. lol.
While I agree with your two comments, the comment section permits too much spam (I've had to disapprove some Braveheart movie scripts and that on a few of my vids) and the force in integration has fudged the video views for most content creators. But I'm glad others are utilizing my Tumblr and Facebook methods. Makes it easier, though I'm sure I'll miss the heated conversations here.
Well, yea the new comment system does leave a lot for spam. I do like getting my full point across, I rarely have anything more then 500 characters to say. But my original comment I fixed it up five times cause nothing is ever said right the first time.
Ashe | Lady Insanity They are bunch off hypocrites and liars tis Dumat who was responsible for Blackening the Golden city according to Corypheos.The Chantry uses lies and fear to justify their fanatical crusade against all mages.Recently I watched Dragons Age Dawn off the Seekers it explains a lot off things about Cassandra.She hates mages because her brother was cut down by a Blood Mage group who needed Dragon hunters to seek out a dragon.And no I don't think Seekers are any better then Templars if you ask me they are worse.I ll rather die as a free apostate then live as a slave to the chantry one minute.There are worse things then death being Tranquil for example,that is the worse punishment for a mage to suffer."There can be no peace between Templars and Mages Anders is right about many things.There is no compromise,there is no peace just slavery or freedom those are our options.At the end off this war one off us will stand and the other ones shall fall so let it be.I am driven by survival and might the longer we fight the stronger we get."I am Justice and I am Vengeance......BLOOD Can only be repaid in BLOOD".
A Red templar will be to other templar's the equivalent of what a Blood Mage is to other mages.
If the Templars are having one of their Mage culling sessions then a Mage has probably opened the theirs in the fade as a counter attack similar to the chap in the origins dlc at wardens keep
You know what's crazy is that the voices templars hear when going through withdrawal are actually the titans or something like that...
I could see the templars and mages both be concerned with the Fade creatures more than the war, but refusing to work together sort of thing.
good work Ashe Lady Insanity
I look forward to these videos.
Templars for the win
both mages and Templars are week! my inquisition will rule over them all!!
Tom Shepard weak**
Ashe, I was surprised you did not mention Pharamond when talking about the Tranquil at all?
Felt more appropriate to talk about Pharamond in the next DA Talk: Mages vid. I just wanted to cover the basics and what they're all about first.
Warning, Spoilers Ahead. I believe that within their ranks the Templars do have those with good intentions, those that want to work with mages and further protect them from others just as they protect the world from them. Evangeline from DA: Asunder is one example of this sort of Templar and I believe more are out there. Naturally a majority of templars will have a role in DAI as an antagonists toward mages, given the Mage-Templar War. Red Templars, who supposedly make use of Red Lyrium, perhaps follow in the footsteps of Meredith and use their power to dominate while being paranoid of any interference with their so-called holy work, and thus a primarily antagonistic group of enemies. Other Templar factions may be more amenable to change. In some cases the Chantry may still control a number of devout templars, while others will have struck out on their own or formed other groups. Their view of the Inquisition, however, will vary depending on Protagonist choices, associations, and of course their personal view on how the inquisition should operate within the world. As for the other topics covered within this video, I believe the Harrowing is done to prepare mages, protect them from further dangers, and to protect others from the possibility of corruptible or unprepared mages that may be corrupted. Phylacteries are also a method of protection on both sides, and thus a necessity where mages are concerned, much like weapon registry by governments. Matters of Tranquility and the Rite of Annulment are difficult to approach, but tranquility should only be a last resort method, or upon request. Pharamond's research proves there are ways around it, but a better method should be found, just as the current Divine wants. The Rite of Annulment is... difficult to approach to say the least. It's an absolute control and threat that both sides have to live with and it can even be abused. It's an unfair use of power and a different way should be found. Were there a way to detect truth or lie, blood magic, corruption, demonic influence, etc. things could be different. Their addiction to Lyrium is horrible to say the least, though it's unclear if Alistair suffers this withdrawal, or if he retains his abilities without continuing use of Lyrium. If templars are able to use their abilities without the aid of lyrium then it should be pursued, though alternative methods are hard to come by and aren't always as effective as current methods.
Alistair didn't suffer the withdrawal because he didn't become a official Templar, however I do agree with the Rite of Tranquility and the Annulment. It is the person behind the order to be afraid of as to the order itself.
I believe that Templars once had a noble cause to not allow another Imperium be created. However over time they got more strict and got more power to the point of being able to make big changes to cities and laws, which should be outside their domain. They can now basically order a city to impose martial law if they even suspect a maleficar or blood mage, and then kill any with a slither of magical potential, whether it is real or not. The Templar order needs to change in order to protect everyone, even mages, from evil. But I think the only way to do that is to show them what their laws, their strict codes and mostly unethical means with which they achieve their goals.
When you wipe out each town to protect everyone, you might save them. But what would happen if their are none left? If every town, every city, every place of living is destroyed, what is there left to protect? You once stood against evil and corruption, now you have become the beast.
DA talks make me subscribe to you finally some people who loves DA as much as me. And for the red templars the same as DA 2 gotta choose side with the red templars, mages or simply restore order as it was before Anders blew up the chantry and Maredith went cuckoo.
What do you think of the theory that flemath wasvone of the orignal tivinters cast from the black city but not turned into darkspawn
Am I the only one who wants to be able to recruit the red templars? They looked badass and so did Meredith's sword. Plus they can make golems without sacrificing lives.
Also, why the lack of Cullen? Otherwise, amazing vid as always!
I think too many people try and force the issue to be a Black and White Morality thing. Templars are necessary, and it's better to be Tranquil than be dead, and certainly it's better than being an abomination (which are the only other choices). That said, I tend to think of it depending on the situation rather than being pro-mage or pro-templar but generally when I'm forced to pick a side I'll go pro-mage.
I think there'll be a split in the Templars between the ones who want to kill all mages (Red Templars maybe?) and the ones who just want to return to the status quo and bring the Circles back. I'm hoping there'll be more situations where the mages will be objectively wrong like the Quarians in Mass Effect 3 so people are less inclined to just automatically side with them
I think there's a middleground (: Everyone can do crime, mages or non-mages, yet we don't lock up everyone (: I just think mages should be free, but blood magic should be outlawed and templars should still go around and try to find these blood mages, instead of standing guard in a tower. We've seen several times how the circle has forced mages into blood magic because of their fear for the templars and becomming tranquil (perfect example is the guy in the mage starting zone).
There should be a middleground, and that's what I'll be trying to find in DA:I, but it's also important that people remember that all mages are dangerous by default. At any time any of them can turn into an abomination and start killing people. I think the example David Gaider used was that if a large portion of the population suddenly snapped and started murdering everybody in a 5 mile radius for no reason it wouldn't be seen as extreme to start locking them all up even if it wasn't something that they all did. It can happen to any mage and it's only because of Gameplay/Story Segregation that it's never been a risk for players/companions
Yes, what I said was basically the best middleground I could think of (: Besides, anyone are dangerous by default, yes, mages might be more than anyone else. There should still be schools for mages where templars can let them go through the harrowing and that kinda stuff, to make sure they're safe for the world, but locking them up for good isn't a good solution (:
I think Matthias from DLC the stone prisoner is Maric Theirin other son. Why because in the dragon age the calling Maric visit his old friend Wilhelm and how Matthias resemblance Cailan and Alistair. Also Matthias seem to know little bit of magic he could be a mage just like his mother Fiona.
hm very interesting now I want to know who's making all their red Lyrium or did they just found a lot of it?
I don't think it's fair to state that Anders's actions alone caused the fighting, as it gets mentioned throughout Inquisition and other sources that the tensions were thick for a long time. The destruction of the Chantry was a spark that made everything explode.
great episode
Ashe I love your videos! I just wanted to say that :)
ashe will you be doing analysis on the 30 minutes of game play that was released ?
I'm wondering where the red lyrium came from like BlackDragoonV7. I mean Hawke's expedition only turned up that one piece. Did someone go deeper in and find more? And I just wanted to ask, I thought the events at the White Tower were what started the war, not Anders blowing up the Chantry in Kirkwall.
It's more like Anders gave the initial start, but the events from Asunder was the acknowledgement for the war.
jakisz I am glad that he removed the chance off compromise there can be no peace between the Chantry and the Mages.What is better to live as a Chantry slave or to go down kicking and fighting you tell me?.At the end off this battle one faction shall fall and the other one shall rise stronger then ever.I am telling you I'd hate to see the Chantry win for they would treat us even worse if they do.
I was a good mage in all of the Dragon Age games yet only 2Templars trusted me and saw i was really trying to help the world. But the other 99% saw me as an evil Blood-Mage. I never even used blood magic.
you should've it was powerful
My Warden was a rogue... My Hawke was a mage... My Inquisitor will be a warrior. I can't decide if that will be as a Champion or a Templar. I love the Templars, but admit they are not a perfect organization. I am wondering how being a Templar will effect being the Inquisitor. And to what extent would the Inquisitor be a Templar? Would He/She already be addicted to Lyrium? Or would it be more like Allistair or a Warrior Warden Templar where you use the Templar skills without enhancing them with Lyrium? Will being a Templar already have an effect on your relationship with the mage characters? Will it limit your ability to negotiate with mages? If I am not happy with the results of being a Templar, then I guess I can start over and pick the Champion instead.
I see the Templars as more of a police organization than a military one. That's probably just me being influenced by my own experience being retired from the Army. But here, to me, is why it is important. The military takes its orders from the civilian government, such as King Alistair. However, the Templars have always taken orders from the Chantry and enforced Chantry laws upon mages.
Now that the Chantry and the Templars have severed that relationship, I believe the Templars will be a lot like a chicken with its head cut off. The heirarchy of the organization is gone, the support channels, logistics, all of it. Even the lyrium trade was controlled by the Chantry. How will the Templars compensate for this lack of upper level management and leadership. Yeah, its nice striking out on your own, but do you have the mechanisms in place to feed, clothe and equip your people? Perhaps I'm over thinking this, but I have witnessed several regime/governments change hands, and when its by coupe, its chaos. There's always a break down of services and in many cases, the organizations/governments are never able to recover.
By the way, I wonder what country the Templars take over? Its not like they can squat in Ferelden. Ferelden has an Army, as does the other countries. Are they going to be roving bands of mercenaries with no base of operations? If I was a sovereign nation and the Templars wanted to set up shop within my borders, as Oghren said, I'd have to introduce my boot to their arses....
Rips in the fade I meant
Two weeks!? Awww man!
Sorry! I'm in New York and MLG Columbus is coming up. Busy busy, lol.
I think the Templars are going to keep trying to rid the world of mages, but red Templars, losing their sanity and all will do anything to do it, even harming innocent non-mages. It's also unfair to treat mages like they aren't people just because of something they can't control. Looking at mages like Wynne and Hawke, if he is a mage he didn't even go through a Harrowing and he turns out fine.
I believe that the Templars and the country should just leave the mages alone but the towers are a good idea. A safe environment for mages to learn the limits of magic and then decide how they should use.
Templars and the country leaving mages alone= Tevinter. Where magisters openly use Blood Magic (They created the Blight) treat their slaves worse than even the harshest Templar would treat a mage, and live in a corrupt dangerous world where magic rules over man.
Mages are dangerous; not everyone is Hawke/Warden, a single little girl can kill 72 people before being put down if they become an abomination with no Templars nearby. Merediths sister did that, and its what taught Meredith vigilance.
I'm definitely not going to show the Templars any mercy, but I also won't show the Chantry any, because forcing your soldiers into drug addiction is about as far from being innocent bystanders as you can get!
BirthOfSerpents Except from the let's plays I've been watching, it seems the Chantry has grown corrupted, much like the church. Some quests allude to members within the Chantry attempting to assassinate each other to increase their chance of advancement through the ranks. Definitely not the pious and compassionate priestesses we've been lead to believe.
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There are other forms of government which are keeping order after the Chantry fell to pieces. The Qun and Tevinter seem to be on top of things in their home lands. The Templars were the Chantry's military agents. When the Templars left, all they had were a bunch of people in robes spouting nonsense.
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Right, because destroying the homelands and subjugating the people who refuse to bow to your teachings is something the Chantry would never condone. Oh wait...
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pfft, screw that. I've got no intention of bending and scraping before slack jawed peasants who treated us like ticking time bombs, then were shocked when we blew up. It's time for Mages to gain equality!
BirthOfSerpents Right, just one abomination could destroy a village. Except for the fact that you slaughter dozens quite handily throughout the course of the games.
As for Templars being vital to keeping things under control, there are the Dhalish who seem to work quite well without Chantry supervision. And then there are the Tevinter, which according to the Chantry's rhetoric, we should be seeing an army of demons marching across the empire's border performing wonton blood magic in the streets. But that's obviously not the case. Mages rule the empire, and yet they seem perfectly in control of themselves.
In the words of Solas, Templars protect people... *from thinking*
guys shut up, everyone knows templars are awesome. i mean c'mon just look at dat der armour.
am i the only one who doesnt see the point in arguing what turn the game takes?
I think Templars in inquisition are turning borderline evil without being obligated to the chantry they hunt mages but from dialogue and information in gameplay demos Templars are killing innocent people because of paranoia and lack of knowledge on mages going as far as killing a man who was digging because they thought his shovel was a staff in disguise at least mages are killing so they can survive they don't have a choice but Templars no longer obligated to the chantry can try and work something out instead they continue to mercilessly hunt mages
Talk about the 30 mins leaked gameplay
That isn't leaked; it's the same gameplay we saw at PAX Prime. I did a whole analysis on it - just look at my "PAX Prime breakdown" vid on my channel.
If Culen is in DA:I I really hope he isn't a mandatory party member the game forces you to recruit because well he is a Templar and I dont like Templar's and refuse to have one in my party and would rather kill him tbh and the same goes with Cassandra she had better NOT be mandatory party member.
Gaider says most if not all party members are optional, dismissable, might be able to kill them, or they just might leave on their own if they hate you enough.
Meaning you don't have to recruit them or can release them or kill them but not sure if that applies to Cassandra, she might be a mandatory one and probably will have something to do with the inquisition being reformed.
If that's true then AWESOME! I really missed the companion approval system in DA2 as I never understood why in DA2 if you did sometthing really unspeakable like hand Fenris over to Danarias (which I did because I cant stand that irritating grumpy asswipe) it surprised me that Aveline didn't decide to leave and not affiliate herself with Hawke anymore as I really didnt see her being a goody-2-shoes guard allowing a slaver to take back his slave
Also I like the approval system in DA:O as it was rather easy to get the chosen party member's approval high if u liked em and u could possibly have the characters you dont like leave and I didnt like the approval system in DA2 because if u wanted 2 max out freindship/rivalry you had to say the exact right thing's for each party member and the only way you would be able to max out each party member's freindship/rivalry easily was to look it up on the DA Wiki
I hope we get to kill/dismiss any party member's as I know if given the chance I WILL kill Cullen, maybe dismiss Cassandra unless I really hate her personality e.g. she is the female equivalent of Sebastian and never shut's up about the Chantry or Maker *groans* I wanted to run Sebastian through for the entirety of DA2 *beats self up over buying that stupid DLC*
In other word's I reaaallly hope they bring back DA:O approval system.
bro that's evil wow give me 20 reasons why's that ok
Ummm because I don't like em, that's reason enough for me.
there's always a reason you don't like someone give me a better reason then that lazy answer
There are to many ways the Templars could be bad. Evenless so with the mages. Templars can to Easley say we want to kill them all with the RIGHT OF ANNULMENT. Were as mages can to Easley fall prey to a demon for power, freedom, heck even protection. I think the Templars are good but to many are evil and not enough are good. Mages can be great yes they are denied freedom and and always watched but how many will fall prey to demons and plague the world.
To many shades of grey.
Well I remind every demon where his place is and if he gets an attitude I just ask medium,rare or extra crispy :D....Templars are tools and that's a fact they are unfit to do their duty,mostly because they are fanatical ass holes with no logic what so ever.Even the Chantry says that they prefer dumb,brain washed,obedient little soldiers to their dirty work.And then they get a pet on their back,well done the maker shall reward you for murdering innocent mages.Not all are innocent but those morons rarely care who is innocent and who is not kind off their policy.
Save transfer to ps4!
DeAth to Templars
Death to mages
damn you
i DON'T CARE and all mages die by my blade
may you be sillieced so yuo would be hepless with staff
may your holy spirit rot with your body in the deepest merciless part of the fade
What do you think of the theory that flemath wasvone of the orignal tivinters cast from the black city but not turned into darkspawn