@hitbrolku1423 I got "Ongoing effects are doubled here" on my first game. Ravona into Ironman, into Mystique, into Onslaught and another location I put Tribunal. 12K on all 3 locations, moonstone never showed up XD
@@MrDanno I have low level alts where I focus on building decks depending on which cards I've lucked out on. It can be fun to play stuff that isn't just the meta.
8:28 . I think you should just play Iron Man on turn 5 and then Tribunal on turn 6. Both the Iron Man and Tribunal will get 8 POWER buffs from Capt. America and Moonstone, adding a total power of 168 in that location ((7+10+8+17) x 4 = 168). Looking at the opponent cards you are guaranteed to win on 3 locations with 56 each.
Hela player: heh, he is going to play tribunal, no matter, i can win 2 locations with what i'm going to revive. "3 million points jumpscare" Hela player: wtf?
When people start copying Onslaughts with Iron Man, I can never wrap my brain around how the math resolves, but after seeing the first game here... I *definitely* cannot wrap my brain around it 😅 Wolfram Alpha tells me it's doubling the lane EIGHTEEN TIMES... but I have no idea how that sequence of cards results in 18 effects active.
@@Trixbeat 2 Onslaughts is a total of 6x to other cards though. I think each Onslaught adds instances of the effects of other cards rather than directly multiplying, and when a location's power is resolved the Onslaughts affect each other's ability to do this, in sequence.
Me, either, but with the help of Wolfram Alpha, I learned that it's doubling the lane's power EIGHTEEN TIMES. I don't know how all the ongoing-copying results in 18 active Iron Man abilities... but somehow, it does.
@@IceMetalPunk I have a working theory, which is that Onslaught does not double the effects of other cards like it says it does. I think that what it actually does is add one copy of that card's base effect to the location, and that the multiple Onslaughts affect each other just once, in order. So Onslaught A (unmodified) adds +1 to Onslaught B's +1 effect, modifying Onslaught B's effect to instead be +2. Then, Onslaught B uses its modified +2 effect to modify Onslaught A's +1 effect (on other cards) to be +3. This is why when you have 2 Onslaughts on an Iron Man location, it ends up being a 64x (i.e. 2 ^ 6) power multiplier on the location as if there were 6 Iron Men there (the original, +3 from Onslaught A, and +2 from Onslaught B). So when you have 3 Onslaughts, this happens: 1. A → B = +2, C = +2 2. B → A = +3, C = +4 3. C → A = +7, B = +6 So the other card at the location, Iron Man in this case, is set to have 17 additional instances (i.e. +7 from Onslaught A, +6 from B, and +4 from C). The location's overall power is multiplied by 2, 18 times. I assume that the Onslaught effect is specifically coded to not update its effect on other Onslaught effects more than once to prevent an infinite loop.
Super skrull copies Onslaughts text which reads "Double the ongoing effects of your OTHER cards here" so he can't double up on the iron man he copied essentially, he only doubles the other ongoings in his lane
I agree that it's normally pay to win but this deck is 100% not pay to win as Moonstone is the only S5 card and this deck has an extremely bad win rate
@ I am not talking specifically about this deck. Generally speaking, I lost so many games to Doom 2099 decks that require less IQ to play than a monkey flinging its shit.
Yeah Doom 2099 its pretty annoying,they need to add that the original 2099 if you enchantress it, all the bots lose there power, because right now the only counter to him is USA agent and cloag
My first game Moonstone did not even show up in the hand, but it had a "Ongoing effects are doubled here" location and put Ravona, 3 Cost Iron Man, Mystique and Onslaught on it....I got 12K across all 3 locations and hit the goal of "Play 500 cards worth of power" in one game...tribunal is ridiculous when everything works out. Second game was clog and i had 6/6/6 -_-
How could you more reliably get 3 Onslaught plus Iron man without that location? Also, I’ve been trying to wrap my head around the math, and I can’t figure it out. I think there’s some order of operations based on when cards were played with Ongoing abilities?
Moonstone just feels like an overcommitment to what is already going to be a strong lane. This shell is the only one I could see her working in, and even then it feels like you're screwed without the Tribunal
correct me if im wrong but there are technically 6 onslaughts in play in game 1 right? which means there are 6 or more ironman effects in play? cause onslaught also affects other onslaughts right? like i am trying to understand that interaction
Ive been using moonstone with onslaught mysique and iron patriot to buff my broodling sinister clone and various non ability cards and it's actually really good ive tried throwing in random 123 cost ongoing cards and moonstone with onslaught iron man but it just doesnt really hit for some reason then again living tribunal would help that. I need living tribunal 😭
Iron Man is still a “5-cost card” even after being swapped by Mister Negative. Changing a cards cost doesn’t change which cards affect it (like how Miles Morales isn’t buffed by Ka-Zar when something moves). Even if it did work, Moonstone doesn’t affect 0-cost cards.
doing a little bit of math at 5:58 You have 3 'Onslaughts'. Which doubles the ongoing effects of ongoing effects, this is multiplicative, so each Onslaught is multiplying your Ongoings by a factor of 12. Which means that Ironman is amplifying your power there by 2^12th power Roughly. so your power is being doubled 13 times. The number I'm getting from a calculator is (13 multiplied by 2 13 times) 53,248, which isn't even as high as the number shown here. If there's someone better at math here, Can we tell how many times that 13 is being multiplied by 2?
I simply can't get moonstone out, either she shows up too late, or i have more important cards from round 4 onwards. Also there's a clear EU vs US cut again: My opponents are full on clog and still on the hand/patriot meta, have not seen any moonstone or counter for ongoing yet
@PenitusVox bruh... whelp, she's pretty useless. might as well run Mystique then. no point in having Enchantress pop off like that. wish I could get my keys back lol
No, and it's affect for all cost related cards (so cull obsedian will be abled to play in a now 0 card, chiera will protect your 6 turned to 5 cards, kazar will buff 1 to 0 and so on)
Another great card to counter Moonstone is Echo. Find the moonstone lane and drop an echo into that lane and watch chaos ensue as every low cost ongoing loses its text box
Someone: You're not allowed here at this exclusive club
Regis: But, I have over 4 million power in Marvel Snap
I know this reference😅
Back in vanilla onslaught days i had two 33 million Power black panthers or 600 million Power game 😂
5:39 is such an amazing reaction I love it.
My mouth dropped when I saw the first victory lol
Yea no she is pretty strong if you have the right deck
@hitbrolku1423 I got "Ongoing effects are doubled here" on my first game. Ravona into Ironman, into Mystique, into Onslaught and another location I put Tribunal. 12K on all 3 locations, moonstone never showed up XD
imagine if that was on onslaught citadel
my OH was so loud my puppy woke up scared af
At this point Im just never going to catch up
Not the point. Get cards you need for the archetype(s) you want to develop. You're not going to own every card without $$
@@ryanhorton9594 we get it, you’re a whale
@@ryanhorton9594omg archetypes like metaphor
@@MrDanno I have low level alts where I focus on building decks depending on which cards I've lucked out on. It can be fun to play stuff that isn't just the meta.
Same haha
I died laughing at 5:43. "How much freaking power is th- OH! It's a lot!" Thank you for playing these meme decks, this absolutely made my day.
you gonna need a cosmo on that lane or else enchantress gonna be the queen of the party
And with moonstone On reveal effect won't happen twice 😮
Yeah...
Just demolished an opponent who played Moonstone with Cerebro and Mystique in the same lane without a Cosmo lol
@@paulomatute4114 no way
thats the neat part, noboby plays enchantress.
why enchantress when you have superskrull to steal their ongoing i know everyone greedy with big number power
Nahhhh that first game was so sad for the other player lmao 🤣
8:28 . I think you should just play Iron Man on turn 5 and then Tribunal on turn 6. Both the Iron Man and Tribunal will get 8 POWER buffs from Capt. America and Moonstone, adding a total power of 168 in that location ((7+10+8+17) x 4 = 168).
Looking at the opponent cards you are guaranteed to win on 3 locations with 56 each.
6:13- Hela could have hit every single card in the game…. Still would have lost.
Well if Hela hitted every card that is on Regis board they would have won
@ Edit- every card but super skrull lol
Had a great time farming Skrulls with rogue added to this deck so far lol
i should have thout that earlier damn. Wich one did you replaced?
@@wagnersmith9666 howard can be swapped in since you don't need to play tempo
Hela player: heh, he is going to play tribunal, no matter, i can win 2 locations with what i'm going to revive.
"3 million points jumpscare"
Hela player: wtf?
regis hitting 30+ power: "it's a billion", regis hitting over 3M: "that's a lot"
Can’t wait to play this deck next year when I get the cards ❤
so awesome, while watching this I got moonstone from spotlight on first key. It was like a good luck charm to watch and play snap.
When people start copying Onslaughts with Iron Man, I can never wrap my brain around how the math resolves, but after seeing the first game here... I *definitely* cannot wrap my brain around it 😅 Wolfram Alpha tells me it's doubling the lane EIGHTEEN TIMES... but I have no idea how that sequence of cards results in 18 effects active.
With two onslaughts, each one doubles the other for 4x effect for a total of 8x, with 3 onslaughts, each onslaught has 6x effect for a total of 18x.
@@Trixbeat 2 Onslaughts is a total of 6x to other cards though. I think each Onslaught adds instances of the effects of other cards rather than directly multiplying, and when a location's power is resolved the Onslaughts affect each other's ability to do this, in sequence.
This is why we love the game the broken combos one can pull out
I have no idea how the math on this even works
Me, either, but with the help of Wolfram Alpha, I learned that it's doubling the lane's power EIGHTEEN TIMES. I don't know how all the ongoing-copying results in 18 active Iron Man abilities... but somehow, it does.
@@IceMetalPunk I have a working theory, which is that Onslaught does not double the effects of other cards like it says it does. I think that what it actually does is add one copy of that card's base effect to the location, and that the multiple Onslaughts affect each other just once, in order. So Onslaught A (unmodified) adds +1 to Onslaught B's +1 effect, modifying Onslaught B's effect to instead be +2. Then, Onslaught B uses its modified +2 effect to modify Onslaught A's +1 effect (on other cards) to be +3. This is why when you have 2 Onslaughts on an Iron Man location, it ends up being a 64x (i.e. 2 ^ 6) power multiplier on the location as if there were 6 Iron Men there (the original, +3 from Onslaught A, and +2 from Onslaught B). So when you have 3 Onslaughts, this happens:
1. A → B = +2, C = +2
2. B → A = +3, C = +4
3. C → A = +7, B = +6
So the other card at the location, Iron Man in this case, is set to have 17 additional instances (i.e. +7 from Onslaught A, +6 from B, and +4 from C). The location's overall power is multiplied by 2, 18 times. I assume that the Onslaught effect is specifically coded to not update its effect on other Onslaught effects more than once to prevent an infinite loop.
Crazy thumbnail is the first victory he had @5:23
Tbf I've been running a Doom2099 deck with super skrull to help counter other Doom2099 decks.
I'm glad to will help to counter Moonstrone as well
Thanks for any content you make🎉. The information about thumbnails was eyes opening 🎉🎉
anyone know what they lost here? I cant quite figure it out myself 15:21
Skrull themselves are not affected by Onslaught, they need another ironman to have the same effect.
Super skrull copies Onslaughts text which reads "Double the ongoing effects of your OTHER cards here" so he can't double up on the iron man he copied essentially, he only doubles the other ongoings in his lane
I'm wondering if more people actually watching Reggi then playing the game at all ahah 😂
Thanks for the video; definitely some fun highlights.
This game is pay to win and I can’t unsee it now.
I agree that it's normally pay to win but this deck is 100% not pay to win as Moonstone is the only S5 card and this deck has an extremely bad win rate
@ I am not talking specifically about this deck. Generally speaking, I lost so many games to Doom 2099 decks that require less IQ to play than a monkey flinging its shit.
Two years ago in January, during the Zabu season I had an epiphany. I thought Silver Surfer was bonkers, but nope. And then came Loki.
For real dude.
Yeah Doom 2099 its pretty annoying,they need to add that the original 2099 if you enchantress it, all the bots lose there power, because right now the only counter to him is USA agent and cloag
am i wrong or would've been better to swap onslaught and mystique at 33:43 to double onslaught on moonstone?
Love your videos, thank you for all the hard work!
My first game Moonstone did not even show up in the hand, but it had a "Ongoing effects are doubled here" location and put Ravona, 3 Cost Iron Man, Mystique and Onslaught on it....I got 12K across all 3 locations and hit the goal of "Play 500 cards worth of power" in one game...tribunal is ridiculous when everything works out.
Second game was clog and i had 6/6/6 -_-
Is there a reason at 8:30 regis didnt just go iron man and tribunal mid? I feel like he was seriously over complicating the plays here...
I feel like you played that third game around super skull really well
I have exams tomorrow. Have to sleep. Why Regis, why release PEAK content at just the right time.
Also, still wanting that ”Spider-Man Universe” deck
Same!
The smile on his face while explaining the intro said it all lmao
I’m shocked at how close I was to making this exact deck.
Bro thinks too far in future , that he starts thinking about next game plan 🤣
Unfortunate they changed moonstone from 5 to 6. It would be amazing in cerebro 5 decks
Still getting used to watching a Regis video and having it cut to a Regis ad then back to the Regis video😂
i don't have ravonna, what card should i replaced with?
Hela: Minions to me
Tribunal: *swhing*
I’m just done after watching his first game.. I can’t stop laughing 😂
How could you more reliably get 3 Onslaught plus Iron man without that location? Also, I’ve been trying to wrap my head around the math, and I can’t figure it out. I think there’s some order of operations based on when cards were played with Ongoing abilities?
Moonstone just feels like an overcommitment to what is already going to be a strong lane. This shell is the only one I could see her working in, and even then it feels like you're screwed without the Tribunal
that first game was the nuttiest play I have ever seen holy
correct me if im wrong but there are technically 6 onslaughts in play in game 1 right? which means there are 6 or more ironman effects in play?
cause onslaught also affects other onslaughts right?
like i am trying to understand that interaction
I was so scared of this card. Idk why she is a 4/6??? I must have it.
She is a 4/6 because most significant Ongoing cards are 4+ cost
@Technosvoices she has too much power
Ive been using moonstone with onslaught mysique and iron patriot to buff my broodling sinister clone and various non ability cards and it's actually really good ive tried throwing in random 123 cost ongoing cards and moonstone with onslaught iron man but it just doesnt really hit for some reason then again living tribunal would help that. I need living tribunal 😭
34:59
Galactus player just have no fear
What if you just rogue their super skrull?
Glad i made the video! LMAO
What I did with moonstone is just I used your swarm victoria hand deck and just changed wong for moonstone, 0 7 swarms :D
At 33:40 couldnt you have put Iron man in the left lane and then mystique with onslaught into the right lane?
Does moon stone work on a negativised iron man? ( that was afected by mr. negative) if it does it would be very interesting
Why wouldn’t it negative iron man still plays the same as regular iron man
Iron Man is still a “5-cost card” even after being swapped by Mister Negative. Changing a cards cost doesn’t change which cards affect it (like how Miles Morales isn’t buffed by Ka-Zar when something moves).
Even if it did work, Moonstone doesn’t affect 0-cost cards.
I think that first hand bro got all the pieces to Exodia.
23:02 ,,, what if u moonstone and than mystique. Will that go crazy?!
doing a little bit of math at 5:58
You have 3 'Onslaughts'. Which doubles the ongoing effects of ongoing effects, this is multiplicative, so each Onslaught is multiplying your Ongoings by a factor of 12. Which means that Ironman is amplifying your power there by 2^12th power Roughly. so your power is being doubled 13 times. The number I'm getting from a calculator is (13 multiplied by 2 13 times) 53,248, which isn't even as high as the number shown here. If there's someone better at math here, Can we tell how many times that 13 is being multiplied by 2?
Any switch in for iron lad?
moonstone reminds me of the good old days of snap!
It's weird watching him use a deck with cards I actually have.
why not use rogue which is 3 cost and also become ongoing to counter enemy's super skrull?
Hey regis! Love the videos! Can you try arishem, high Evo and thanos together in a deck?
I played Iron Man, Onslaught, Mystique and Blue Marvel on Onslaught's Citadel and got 16 million. That's the most points I've ever scored.
5:42 so the math is 13 x (2^18). somehow between 3 onslaughts you end up with 18 doubles
oh because each onslaught is worth 3 doubles, which is where the 18 comes from, aka 9 doubles.
Yo Regis, I just got Daken from pass and never had him before. Can you make a deck that tries to get the highest power daken?
7:00 Iron Fist: wtf, bro?
Why did you not put Cosmo instead of Cap?
5:36 what the fuck I audibly gasped when I saw this shit bro
Over 1mil on EACH location is insanity
I’ve enjoyed pure ongoing might make adjustments I have cosmo in rn my moonstone deck iron lad and super skull are add ins I’m thinking of
6:59 also iron fist there, why not, right... 😂
is moonstone worth it?
Maybe moonstone in a patriot deck with ant man and dazzler?
Regis, what is your favorite card?
You playing moonstone without rogue?
Rescue has to go in the Iron deck too!
i dont have ravona and ironlad :( any alt ?
I simply can't get moonstone out, either she shows up too late, or i have more important cards from round 4 onwards.
Also there's a clear EU vs US cut again: My opponents are full on clog and still on the hand/patriot meta, have not seen any moonstone or counter for ongoing yet
What does Howard Duck do, why no Antman?
7:02 where is iron fist smh
does Moonstone take the effects of Quinjet or Ravonna? I has her and Moonstone in play, but my Iron Man was only at 4 cost.
Was moonstone in the same lane?
@dboii18 it was not
@@zamora2128
You may have realized this already but Moonstone only takes the abilities of your cards in her lane.
@PenitusVox bruh... whelp, she's pretty useless. might as well run Mystique then. no point in having Enchantress pop off like that. wish I could get my keys back lol
mr fantastic is the ideal 3 drop
If you have Elysium or Sera to drop the cost of cards by 1, does moonstone proc on previously 4 cost cards?
No, and it's affect for all cost related cards (so cull obsedian will be abled to play in a now 0 card, chiera will protect your 6 turned to 5 cards, kazar will buff 1 to 0 and so on)
im surprised the game can even calculate numbers that high
Release the Iron deck! The streets need it
You should put taco on sinister's london to get even more iron mans.
Another fire thumbnail!
Oh man imagine Zabu was still ongoing
This is insane lol there's no chance Moonstone isn't getting nerfed
What if i dont have tribunal? 🙃
The CAPYBARAS welcome you all to this masterpiece of a video, made of this man named, regis👋
His intelligence is unhuman
Someone math out that for me. How did those four make that much!?
Onslaught doubled the other two onslaughts which then doubled each other. You have an exponential iron man basically.
If you have Mystique copy Onslaught and added Ironman the math will come out to 7x2⁸=1792
Get some rogue in there to counter that super skrull
Am I crazy to say that I have been enjoying moonstone 😂😂
All that power scared me 😅
You shoulda ordered your videos from smallest power wins to biggest to keep the suspension and viewer engagement rising
Rescue is an iron man character… just a side not 🙃 being pepper potts in her armor
we need enchantress at this point ngl
Used 3 keys and still didn’t get her. Good thing I have almost 6k tokens.
She’s like a super scroll for your own cards lol 🤦♂️
but only in one loc
I got everything except renslayer Suggestions on a sub?
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I'd DO moonstone, that is all.
Gonna run rogue instead of 🦆
Another great card to counter Moonstone is Echo. Find the moonstone lane and drop an echo into that lane and watch chaos ensue as every low cost ongoing loses its text box