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As those commenting have pointed out, there are other options on the market - having looked at several of them, I would suggest actually checking out what each offers as a 'starter', what extras will be required/are desirable, what expansion/customisation options are available, software and/or hardware that's required, etc. Some "cheaper", or "better" options may not be so when all is said and done - it's down to the individual to make that call. This product is competitive, and may be perfect for some, but others may find other brands' products are more suitable for them.
We'll said, cheers Gordo! How good is it to even have multiple options in the same ballpark for tools like this these days really even if you decide this specific one isn't for you after some investigation 😎 - Taz
I run a ratrig KillerBee & it’s a half of that price & can very reliably cut aluminum. Its actually mainly what I cut. In addition to that I plan to buy a mini lathe body & run it w/ a nema 23. Entire setup would still be below 6k & my build can cut 2.5’x4’. Another good idea if you just need 2d cuts you can build an OpenBuilds chassis & attach a cheap plasma cutter to that. Lots of people do it on youtube if you’re curious
If this is the same setup as has been out there by Bantam it is more of a novelty and really could only be used for prototyping in plastic. There is a series where a UA-camr does a tear down on the machine. Its "spindle" is essentially an RC BLDC motor (with what looks like an off the shelf ESC). It has very little torque. Another thing you have to remember is that the work envelope is extremely small. You're not going to be able to fit a vise in there. Work holding is going to be extremely difficult. The Shariff DMC2 was a good "desktop" sized mill. I'm not sure if they're still available. I suggest looking at Langmuir Systems MR-1. It's not a desktop machine, but it's smaller than a Tormach and cheaper than one, too. The last time I configured one on their website it was under $10k for the machine, flood coolant option, and basic work holding options.
Nice looking piece. It has very definite limitations of course, but man that would be awesome for cranking out small custom brackets and such for builds, a compact machine like this can really make bespoke parts for a build more viable for small shops and individuals. If you aren't going to need a small machine with a bigger work area than this, especially if you're only working with softer materials, this is a decent looking machine for rapid prototyping and one-offs. I'm sure you could get away with the occasional mild steel piece with the right tooling and slow enough feeds too lol. It's nice to have a decent *variety of options* in this price range, and hopefully that only continues to increase(we gotta get more people buying them, build up this market lol). Right now I'm planning on picking up a Bambu 3D printer(they've finally gotten to the point where they're actually complete, polished, turnkey products instead of just off the shelf industrial parts kits with some really basic firmware/software work and a lot of unnecessary headache) hopefully in the next couple months, and there's a desktop EDM project(pretty much a basic 3D printer[industrial parts kit] chassis but with an electrode, power supply, and water tank to EDM parts instead of print them) that really has my attention, affordable desktop EDM could open up a LOT of things. I'm not sure if this Bantam one will be the one, but in the future a desktop CNC will definitely be in the cards. Exciting times for the DIYer & small business owner!
That $7k Tormach costs $15k to get it with the enclosure, gonna imagine that the typical buyer is going to want that. Most aren't buying this sort of equipment just to have to spend more money and build an enclosure or whatever. And, if you don't have room for the "much bigger" Tormach, then that isn't exactly a benefit. Different options for different use cases. Just because it isn't for you doesn't mean that it isn't for someone else.
We'll said Ry! There is not one tool that is perfect for everyone and anyone. You only find out what is worth a shot for you personally by having a nose about 😀 - Taz.
@@RyTrapp0 Probably not going to be running anything fast enough on anything like this machine or a small tormach for example to warrant any enclosure, but yes there are levels to the game and people are welcome to waste their money however they wish.
I'm surprised that Bantam is still in business. Tried ordering a desktop mill from them back in 2020, after over 3 months of barely ever getting a response when I asked for an update, I was told my order was ready to ship, waited another month, still never shipped. Ended up cancelling my order because I didn't want to have to deal with a company that has such bad customer support/communication in the event I ever needed repair parts or help troubleshooting the mill. 0/10 would not recommend.
Aww man, that's a shame. Communication is the root of almost any and all issues, and things can and do go wrong. Glad they sorted your refund though, you weren't trying to buy a refund 😂, but at least that shows integrity in the situation. What did you end up getting instead? - Taz.
Refund was issued promptly so can't complain about that. I originally wanted to use the Bantam mill for prototyping our smaller parts and doing small 1 off bits for myself. Ended up building a relationship with a local machine shop instead who's been great to work with and turn out top quality product. At some point I'll circle back to getting something for myself and will likely go the Tormach or Haas route.@@hpa101
Wow, at least here in germany you could get a way more solid CNC Router from a german Shop for that price. I don’t want to do advertising for any of them but we have a few options here and I even own one of them myself. Runs a 2kW 3 Phase Spindle Motor and has a bigger working area, fully Aluminum construction thats CNC machined and runs on high quality LSK or HiWin linear rails. Comes as a kit or prebuilt with a few options for controllers/control software. Also available with automatic toolchangers and servo motors. I guess mine is worth less than 10k€ at the Moment and I already did some upgrades like the ATC Spindle which is around 2k€
@@SuperTimeStretch He probably refers to Sorotec machines. I used to have one too. I build two DIY machines on it, which are in fact significantly better, then I sold it. They have a few design and quality issues (at least mine had), which can be fixed with some experience, however. But he is right, they are (at the same price point) still a totally different league than this "4th Axis compatible" design nightmare of a CNC, which even struggles to mill acetal, producing more dust than chips...🤣
Well yes that is one of the Names I had in mind and I also own a AL1110 series machine. Though there are new guys on the Block like SeoGeo which are super cheap and great for plastic and wood@@scratchbuiltdesigns
Taig and sherline are much more machines much less. the biggest downfall of bantam re the most important elements on a machine. spindle strength, axis motors, axis mode of movement. This is where the bantam falls flat. in comparison to taig for $1600, you get ballscrews, nema 23 motors, all steel construction, 1 hp spindle up to 10k, and endlessly modifiable. With an extra $1000 ontop of that you can have a machine that blows passed the bantam by lightyears at a quarter of the price. Please please please skip this machine and company.
That little machine just changed the motor sport landscape across the world. It's only going to do small cuts, but unless a production run into the hundreds with 6+ opps. that machine just cut the cost by a minimum 400%
@@hpa101 I was just saying it confused him for a second, but technically speaking Humphrey Davy discovered it and named it “Aluminum”, and the -ium was added by Thomas Young who thought “Aluminium” sounded more classical 😂
@@rob_over_9000 you're all good, my poor attempt at a Monday joke 😂 Yes English is a real mess and I think even Humphry Davy chopped and changed on the spelling. Solder is another one that gets a second look (aka sodder to some US folk) - Taz.
tl;dr a machine that can barely cut aluminum and will burn up endmills while it cuts your part from a miniscule 3x7x9 working area. A &6,500 3d printer will print carbon fiber pekk and in a much larger build volume.
I'm a 20+yr machine. I wouldn't purchase this toy. Waste of space. This thing is a wet noodle. Lacks rigidity. But automotive industry is literally bottom of the barrel.
@@hpa101 For someone who has no machining experience. I'd say a Fadal. Cheap, easy to use, and if you crash. Which more than likely will starting out. Parts are cheap and their is plenty of info out the to fix them yourself. Someone more experienced. I'd say Mori Seiki MV series.
Looking at the components on these machine you really arnt getting value for money here. Look at those linear rods.... they should be HGR15 rails at a minimum
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As those commenting have pointed out, there are other options on the market - having looked at several of them, I would suggest actually checking out what each offers as a 'starter', what extras will be required/are desirable, what expansion/customisation options are available, software and/or hardware that's required, etc.
Some "cheaper", or "better" options may not be so when all is said and done - it's down to the individual to make that call.
This product is competitive, and may be perfect for some, but others may find other brands' products are more suitable for them.
We'll said, cheers Gordo! How good is it to even have multiple options in the same ballpark for tools like this these days really even if you decide this specific one isn't for you after some investigation 😎 - Taz
Funny how they never show alu. On that weak 4th axis
I run a ratrig KillerBee & it’s a half of that price & can very reliably cut aluminum. Its actually mainly what I cut. In addition to that I plan to buy a mini lathe body & run it w/ a nema 23. Entire setup would still be below 6k & my build can cut 2.5’x4’. Another good idea if you just need 2d cuts you can build an OpenBuilds chassis & attach a cheap plasma cutter to that. Lots of people do it on youtube if you’re curious
Sorry I didnt clarify using that mini lathe body as the 4th axis
Better option would be a tormach 440 used or slightly more new and have considerably larger working envelope.
does it fit on a desktop. because that's the most important thing lol
@@seethruhead7119 it is the size of a desk. but seems a better option for not a lot more money from new.
It's great to have options! Half the fun is figuring out what suits you and your budget best, then working out how to get it past the missus 😂 - Taz
Ya I agree. Much more rigid. This is cool but is basically a glorified 3d printer with a spindle.
@@seethruhead7119 not practical to have it on a desktop. the noise alone would drive anyone crazy, not to mention all the accessories storage.
imagine you guys looked at the camera and incorporated the viewer instead of having a staring contest lmfao
If this is the same setup as has been out there by Bantam it is more of a novelty and really could only be used for prototyping in plastic. There is a series where a UA-camr does a tear down on the machine. Its "spindle" is essentially an RC BLDC motor (with what looks like an off the shelf ESC). It has very little torque. Another thing you have to remember is that the work envelope is extremely small. You're not going to be able to fit a vise in there. Work holding is going to be extremely difficult. The Shariff DMC2 was a good "desktop" sized mill. I'm not sure if they're still available. I suggest looking at Langmuir Systems MR-1. It's not a desktop machine, but it's smaller than a Tormach and cheaper than one, too. The last time I configured one on their website it was under $10k for the machine, flood coolant option, and basic work holding options.
The "machine" can also balsa wood?
I think, this is the only material who makes really sense.
Balsa wood for sure 😄
👍@@hpa101
Nice looking piece. It has very definite limitations of course, but man that would be awesome for cranking out small custom brackets and such for builds, a compact machine like this can really make bespoke parts for a build more viable for small shops and individuals. If you aren't going to need a small machine with a bigger work area than this, especially if you're only working with softer materials, this is a decent looking machine for rapid prototyping and one-offs. I'm sure you could get away with the occasional mild steel piece with the right tooling and slow enough feeds too lol.
It's nice to have a decent *variety of options* in this price range, and hopefully that only continues to increase(we gotta get more people buying them, build up this market lol). Right now I'm planning on picking up a Bambu 3D printer(they've finally gotten to the point where they're actually complete, polished, turnkey products instead of just off the shelf industrial parts kits with some really basic firmware/software work and a lot of unnecessary headache) hopefully in the next couple months, and there's a desktop EDM project(pretty much a basic 3D printer[industrial parts kit] chassis but with an electrode, power supply, and water tank to EDM parts instead of print them) that really has my attention, affordable desktop EDM could open up a LOT of things. I'm not sure if this Bantam one will be the one, but in the future a desktop CNC will definitely be in the cards.
Exciting times for the DIYer & small business owner!
I mean $6500 on one of these or a Tormach starts at $7k and is much bigger/capable its a no brainer really.
That $7k Tormach costs $15k to get it with the enclosure, gonna imagine that the typical buyer is going to want that. Most aren't buying this sort of equipment just to have to spend more money and build an enclosure or whatever. And, if you don't have room for the "much bigger" Tormach, then that isn't exactly a benefit.
Different options for different use cases. Just because it isn't for you doesn't mean that it isn't for someone else.
We'll said Ry! There is not one tool that is perfect for everyone and anyone. You only find out what is worth a shot for you personally by having a nose about 😀 - Taz.
@@RyTrapp0 Probably not going to be running anything fast enough on anything like this machine or a small tormach for example to warrant any enclosure, but yes there are levels to the game and people are welcome to waste their money however they wish.
does it fit on a desk
Tremendous!!! This will be huge motorcycles too
very nice.. I think I could do 80s with this but making small parts for my minibikes and quads these seems to be a game charger.
I'm surprised that Bantam is still in business. Tried ordering a desktop mill from them back in 2020, after over 3 months of barely ever getting a response when I asked for an update, I was told my order was ready to ship, waited another month, still never shipped. Ended up cancelling my order because I didn't want to have to deal with a company that has such bad customer support/communication in the event I ever needed repair parts or help troubleshooting the mill. 0/10 would not recommend.
Aww man, that's a shame. Communication is the root of almost any and all issues, and things can and do go wrong.
Glad they sorted your refund though, you weren't trying to buy a refund 😂, but at least that shows integrity in the situation.
What did you end up getting instead? - Taz.
Refund was issued promptly so can't complain about that. I originally wanted to use the Bantam mill for prototyping our smaller parts and doing small 1 off bits for myself. Ended up building a relationship with a local machine shop instead who's been great to work with and turn out top quality product. At some point I'll circle back to getting something for myself and will likely go the Tormach or Haas route.@@hpa101
Wow, this can be a game changer
Kinda, but also not. Price is high af and the thing is hella small.
Wow, at least here in germany you could get a way more solid CNC Router from a german Shop for that price. I don’t want to do advertising for any of them but we have a few options here and I even own one of them myself. Runs a 2kW 3 Phase Spindle Motor and has a bigger working area, fully Aluminum construction thats CNC machined and runs on high quality LSK or HiWin linear rails. Comes as a kit or prebuilt with a few options for controllers/control software. Also available with automatic toolchangers and servo motors. I guess mine is worth less than 10k€ at the Moment and I already did some upgrades like the ATC Spindle which is around 2k€
Name names! I'm interested
This exactly
@@SuperTimeStretch He probably refers to Sorotec machines. I used to have one too. I build two DIY machines on it, which are in fact significantly better, then I sold it. They have a few design and quality issues (at least mine had), which can be fixed with some experience, however. But he is right, they are (at the same price point) still a totally different league than this "4th Axis compatible" design nightmare of a CNC, which even struggles to mill acetal, producing more dust than chips...🤣
Well yes that is one of the Names I had in mind and I also own a AL1110 series machine. Though there are new guys on the Block like SeoGeo which are super cheap and great for plastic and wood@@scratchbuiltdesigns
Taig and sherline are much more machines much less. the biggest downfall of bantam re the most important elements on a machine. spindle strength, axis motors, axis mode of movement. This is where the bantam falls flat. in comparison to taig for $1600, you get ballscrews, nema 23 motors, all steel construction, 1 hp spindle up to 10k, and endlessly modifiable. With an extra $1000 ontop of that you can have a machine that blows passed the bantam by lightyears at a quarter of the price. Please please please skip this machine and company.
100%
I can’t wait !!!!!
how about the nomad ?
I'm curious if they are using servos or stepper motors for the axis drives, my guess is steppers...
I would assume and hope stepper motors. Also depends on the tolerances the machine can handle
Unsupported round rails is not stiff, and can not carry much load. Would have been a much more capable machine with square linear rails.
Inexpensive 5 axis would be nice
Could be very useful in mountain bike frame design, rapid testing suspension geometry.
you're fitting a bike frame in 3.5in volume?
@@jaemelo2693 sheesh I didn't think it was that small, but I meant different pivoting links for rear suspension design.
These are cool, but way too expensive for what they actually are and how limited they are.
That little machine just changed the motor sport landscape across the world. It's only going to do small cuts, but unless a production run into the hundreds with 6+ opps. that machine just cut the cost by a minimum 400%
Which machine is this? Or diid i miss that
Hope this helps 😎 - store.bantamtools.com/collections/desktop-cnc-machines
8:14 You guys saying aluminium really messed him up 😂
That's odd. We were just talking about how YOU say aluminium really messed up 😅 - Taz.
@@hpa101 I was just saying it confused him for a second, but technically speaking Humphrey Davy discovered it and named it “Aluminum”, and the -ium was added by Thomas Young who thought “Aluminium” sounded more classical 😂
@@rob_over_9000 you're all good, my poor attempt at a Monday joke 😂 Yes English is a real mess and I think even Humphry Davy chopped and changed on the spelling.
Solder is another one that gets a second look (aka sodder to some US folk) - Taz.
Do like to comment that they are not "unique" in having a desktop cnc with 4 axis or more. PocketNC is a rival example of this.
tl;dr a machine that can barely cut aluminum and will burn up endmills while it cuts your part from a miniscule 3x7x9 working area. A &6,500 3d printer will print carbon fiber pekk and in a much larger build volume.
Would help to actually show it milling aluminum and not plastic.
for $6 k you can buy a Bridgeport and a lathe
Or a benchtop CNC. So many options! - Taz
Why would I buy this if I can buy the Carvera? This one does not even have automatic tool changer, hard pass
I'm a 20+yr machine. I wouldn't purchase this toy. Waste of space. This thing is a wet noodle. Lacks rigidity. But automotive industry is literally bottom of the barrel.
What would you purchase for 6k in this segment of the market? - Taz.
@@hpa101 For someone who has no machining experience. I'd say a Fadal. Cheap, easy to use, and if you crash. Which more than likely will starting out. Parts are cheap and their is plenty of info out the to fix them yourself. Someone more experienced. I'd say Mori Seiki MV series.
@@hpa101 That machine is better suited for model railroaders. Not automotive parts.
JUST BUY A GHOST GUNNER
glock slide it is
Looking at the components on these machine you really arnt getting value for money here. Look at those linear rods.... they should be HGR15 rails at a minimum
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