sicttasd.tripod.com/letter.html A letter from George Carey to his wife sicttasd.tripod.com/wclet.html letter to William Cotton www.jstor.org/stable/511482?seq=3 Thomas Nash and William Cotton lostplays.folger.edu/Terminus_et_Non_Terminus Https://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/Eagle/Eagle%20Volumes/1950s/1950/Eagle_1950_Lent.pdf Nashe's verses from Ecclesiasticus
45:00 Thanks so much for the shout out Clare!!!! Loved this video! Nashe has to be at the heart of so much of this stuff. And this is definitely a moment where I cannot throw Sidney's name in the hat to help solve it--at least not directly. I need to dive deeper into DeVere biography and re-tread his writings soon. This is super timely as always--like I said, you have an absolute knack for that. But David Richardson has been reaching out to Brady and I about getting together with you and Daniel Cowan and Marianna and maybe a few others to do a thorough study of Nashe and Harvey with all our various perspectives. I think he's suggesting we do some sort of filing sharing type thing where we can all simultaneously read through them over several weeks or months and leave our notes for everyone else to read. We may not come to anything like a consensus, but seeing stuff in real time from another perspective might be the grease we need to get the wagon wheels turning. Brady was thinking maybe we could do all that via a Discord server. I will keep you updated on this potential endeavour. I need to check back in with David here soon. Thanks again for the video Clare and especially the shout out at the end which was incredibly thoughtfully worded.
Sounds like a great idea to all take a look at Nash and Harvey. I am reading Pierce Penniless, especially his "Supplication to the Devil". It is really descriptive, the images leap off the page. The characters are very Dickensian, I wonder whether Dickens read Nashe.
@@ContextShakespeare1740I don't have a source on hand to confirm or deny this, but I think you are 150% correct to suggest Dickens is reading his Nashe. If Dickens is willing to model his greatest novel on the poetry of Philip Sidney (Great Expectations,) I would hazard to guess he's reading Nashe in droves. Let us remember Dickens was WS doubter while we consider all of this too. Just look at Xmas Carol: Marley is named after Kit Marlowe (whose only signature reads Marley.) Pretty sure Dickens is Dickens partly because he is so thoroughly internalizing English Ren Lit.
Thanks for another amazing video on the authorship issue. I love that you began with your sources and explaining that you used critical thinking skills. Sadly critical thinking is no longer taught in schools in much of Canada and the US. Students are expected to believe anything they are told no matter what the sources are. That explains why so many Millennials and their kids and grandkids believe so much nonsense about things like vaccines, progressive conspiracies, and will vote against their own best interests. But I digress. I like that you described what type of evidence you used. Too often authorship videos and papers will accept whatever mainstream scholars have written without question. I have learned that you must question everything about the Stratford myth since so much evidence those scholars use does nothing to prove their case and is irrelevant. You definitely put the story in its proper context and your attention to detail is always needed in the discussion. Keep up the great work. We need more scholars like you to set the record straight about Elizabethan and early Jacobean times which have erroneously been dubbed "merry old England". Those times were hardly merry. Thanks for referencing Diana Price's book Shakespeare's Unorthodox Biography. The more her findings are spread, the less likely it is that people will still believe the Stratford narrative in the future. Her research is compelling and demands an answer from mainstream scholars, who have seemingly ignored it long after it was published in the early 2000s. I just noticed that the clouds in the upper-left of the Nashe woodcut (5:03) resemble the backside of someone "passing wind" shown from the waist down, complete with a cartoon-like cloud of gas. The image is completed by a tiny right leg pointing to the right. It may be how I perceive it, but with a little examination you can see how different those clouds are from the clouds on the right. I believe that it was meant to depict something comical since we have the more ordinary clouds on the right to compare them to. If they were meant to be seen as that, then it is evidence that Nashe didn't exist as a real person but was either an allonym or pseudonym. In other words, the writer was an inside joke.
Thank you so much for your kind comment, I was thinking that it wasn't one of my best. There is so much stuff in Nashe's writing and replies to his writing it is difficult to cover everything, but I hope I gave a good overview of the main points. What do you think? Was he a real writer or not?
sicttasd.tripod.com/letter.html A letter from George Carey to his wife
sicttasd.tripod.com/wclet.html letter to William Cotton
www.jstor.org/stable/511482?seq=3 Thomas Nash and William Cotton
lostplays.folger.edu/Terminus_et_Non_Terminus
Https://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/Eagle/Eagle%20Volumes/1950s/1950/Eagle_1950_Lent.pdf Nashe's verses from Ecclesiasticus
45:00 Thanks so much for the shout out Clare!!!! Loved this video!
Nashe has to be at the heart of so much of this stuff. And this is definitely a moment where I cannot throw Sidney's name in the hat to help solve it--at least not directly. I need to dive deeper into DeVere biography and re-tread his writings soon.
This is super timely as always--like I said, you have an absolute knack for that. But David Richardson has been reaching out to Brady and I about getting together with you and Daniel Cowan and Marianna and maybe a few others to do a thorough study of Nashe and Harvey with all our various perspectives. I think he's suggesting we do some sort of filing sharing type thing where we can all simultaneously read through them over several weeks or months and leave our notes for everyone else to read. We may not come to anything like a consensus, but seeing stuff in real time from another perspective might be the grease we need to get the wagon wheels turning. Brady was thinking maybe we could do all that via a Discord server. I will keep you updated on this potential endeavour. I need to check back in with David here soon.
Thanks again for the video Clare and especially the shout out at the end which was incredibly thoughtfully worded.
Sounds like a great idea to all take a look at Nash and Harvey. I am reading Pierce Penniless, especially his "Supplication to the Devil". It is really descriptive, the images leap off the page. The characters are very Dickensian, I wonder whether Dickens read Nashe.
@@ContextShakespeare1740I don't have a source on hand to confirm or deny this, but I think you are 150% correct to suggest Dickens is reading his Nashe. If Dickens is willing to model his greatest novel on the poetry of Philip Sidney (Great Expectations,) I would hazard to guess he's reading Nashe in droves. Let us remember Dickens was WS doubter while we consider all of this too.
Just look at Xmas Carol: Marley is named after Kit Marlowe (whose only signature reads Marley.)
Pretty sure Dickens is Dickens partly because he is so thoroughly internalizing English Ren Lit.
8:53 I'm reminded of Samuel and William Rowley who seem to have pretty suspect Bios as well.
Thanks for another amazing video on the authorship issue. I love that you began with your sources and explaining that you used critical thinking skills. Sadly critical thinking is no longer taught in schools in much of Canada and the US. Students are expected to believe anything they are told no matter what the sources are. That explains why so many Millennials and their kids and grandkids believe so much nonsense about things like vaccines, progressive conspiracies, and will vote against their own best interests. But I digress.
I like that you described what type of evidence you used. Too often authorship videos and papers will accept whatever mainstream scholars have written without question. I have learned that you must question everything about the Stratford myth since so much evidence those scholars use does nothing to prove their case and is irrelevant.
You definitely put the story in its proper context and your attention to detail is always needed in the discussion. Keep up the great work. We need more scholars like you to set the record straight about Elizabethan and early Jacobean times which have erroneously been dubbed "merry old England". Those times were hardly merry.
Thanks for referencing Diana Price's book Shakespeare's Unorthodox Biography. The more her findings are spread, the less likely it is that people will still believe the Stratford narrative in the future. Her research is compelling and demands an answer from mainstream scholars, who have seemingly ignored it long after it was published in the early 2000s.
I just noticed that the clouds in the upper-left of the Nashe woodcut (5:03) resemble the backside of someone "passing wind" shown from the waist down, complete with a cartoon-like cloud of gas. The image is completed by a tiny right leg pointing to the right. It may be how I perceive it, but with a little examination you can see how different those clouds are from the clouds on the right. I believe that it was meant to depict something comical since we have the more ordinary clouds on the right to compare them to. If they were meant to be seen as that, then it is evidence that Nashe didn't exist as a real person but was either an allonym or pseudonym. In other words, the writer was an inside joke.
Thanks for your comments, Yes I saw the but passing wind as well. Another clue that it is all a lot of hot air.
Thank you Clare for your excellent video, well voiced and very nicely enhanced with pertinent graphics.
Thank you so much for your kind comment, I was thinking that it wasn't one of my best. There is so much stuff in Nashe's writing and replies to his writing it is difficult to cover everything, but I hope I gave a good overview of the main points. What do you think? Was he a real writer or not?