panellogy 254 - ryan heshka & neo rauch
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- a retro-fine-comic-art-extravaganz-bonanza: from a new artbook ("fatales", published by cernunnos) to old movie posters and modern painting and back again
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ryan heshka is the creator of nobrow's "mean girls club",
neo rauch is a pretty famous german painter
Excellent parallels between these books, beautiful stuff
Sure do love those Baselitz woodsman paintings. Max Beckmann is another favorite of mine.
hell yeah, a man of taste :) if I should have to narrow it down to just one favourite painter it would be Beckmann (Max Ernst would be a close up and followed by a lot of the American expressionists (Motherwell...) and others like Paul Klee ... oh stop, totally forgot Rubens... hmm yes, Rubens and Beckmann ... or ....
and what about Rembrandt ... and Gerhard Richter ... Philip Guston.... ?
... it's a silly but fun game to pick my favorite (fine) artists ... I could continute until dusk, I guess ....
and as to Baselitz: he had to grow on me for a looong time, I remember disliking his pictures immensely when I first saw them ... then there was a phase where I had my doubts, but I was very much blown away by an exhibition in Berlin some decades ago and then it clicked for me - a bit like it is with Picasso: I do not like each and every painting but his whole approach to do art (which doesn't necessarily include his upside down shtick), the energy and the deliberate non-cuteness/unpolishedness, the will to create ugly, "dirty" art but always coming up with artifacts of some strange beauty.
... and Bonnard (man, the colors!) ... Richard Diebenkorn... Asger Jorn (!!!) ....
Ok, I’ll play. Guston is waaaaaay up there for me. So is Picasso, as I grow artistically I find I understand his work better and conclude that he definitely has the goods. Cezanne is definitely another favorite. Can’t forget Matisse, Ingres , Basquiat and Vermeer. Also a massive Jasper Johns fan. Oh and Francis Bacon and Henry Darger. Many more I’m surely forgetting. I have no problem with the popularity of Richter or Rothko, after all, paintings at those prices are meant to decorate rich peoples’ walls and I don’t consider it a negative thing for an artist’s work to be inherently decorative.
I agree on Matisse, Vermeer (of course) and Francis Bacon... don't know about Ingres and Johns (maybe it's because I know about their art for the most part only from reproductions). I like Basquiat, even though I think that he just had a too short amount of time to create his art.
And Darger's art creeps me out ... unpolished Mark Ryden in a way ... but there's some point with both of them where the creepy fascination bit turns into the opposite for me: it's a bit appallent as well (in the case of Ryden this is even boosted with his deliberate kitschyness. ... and no: I rather see Ryden as some kind of provocative illustrator than as some kind of "real" painter)
I get what you want to say with Richter and Rothko... but Richter's art immediately struck me in a big exhibition over here. I was blown away by his systematic and at the same time improvised explorations what painting can achieve. And his art was used from Sonic Youth for the cover of Daydream Nation ... and that's a sanctification not to be questioned!
earl grey I like Ingres idealized classical conception of form, particularly faces. There’s a spare cleanliness I find appealing, this is actually a bit of the appeal of Vermeer for me. Darger is all about the aesthetic for me. Actually I feel this way about almost all fine art I enjoy. Yes it can be interesting or even enjoyable to discuss it intellectually but for me it’s really all about the image itself. Period. I’ve been to art school and ultimately arrived at my own version of truth, which is by and large a rejection of its tenets. What’s the point of working in a visual medium if you can only justify or relate to it verbally? It all feels a bit like tacking something onto the end of it to give critics, docents, students, and buyers something to talk about. Whew, that went off the rails. I’ve actually been meeting up with sleepy reader here in town (Portland) and it’s been really enjoyable. Wish you could somehow join us in getting jacked up on coffee and extemporizing.
Hello Earl Grey, I enjoyed this review very much. Can you do a review on Sergio Mora's Moraland please.
that's interesting, but it's a "straight" artbook, isn't it
@@earlgrey862 Hi, I think it is, but it's similar to Heshka & rauch's work influenced by pop culture and comics too.
@@mazyar_ yeah, sorry... I answered your comment on my "dashboard"-site on youtube and wasn't aware that you're reacting to this particular video... and judging by the cover alone that Mora guy is really up to sth of course. thanks for the recommendation
earl grey 👍
The beginning of this fucking book reminds me of my nana telling me stories of walking to school with no shoes and having to fight off dinosaurs.
you forgot that it was snowing all the time
Very fitting comparison... I do recall a neo rauch book of some sort having been hidden between art books & folklore in our (living room-) library. The contemporary art segment is vehemently increasing due to a krouchy fellow, whose parents have to deal with.
ha! I wish I would have this problem with my sons... I sort of overdid it at least with my elder son: he's reacting a bit allergic to contemporary art ... due to being overexposed to it - blame his artfanatic dad :/
Love Heshka’s work, thank you for introducing me to Rauch and I hope your thumb is ok!
you're welcome ... and my thumb is (almost) fine, thank you :)
I would love to see Canadians Ryan Heshka and Jeff Lemire work together on Black hammer.
Thank you, earl grey for another great video.
yes, would be great ... uh, Heshka's Canadian? ... thanks
I've had Neo's Neue Rollen for years and immediately saw the similarity when you started turning the Heshka pages. Now will have to order a copy of Fatales, of course. Here's an interview with Ryan: spyvibe.blogspot.com/2017/11/interview-ryan-heshka.html
"When you were starting out as a painter/illustrator, who were the artists who inspired you?
I always cite Frank R. Paul, the grandfather of science fiction art, as one of my major influences. Jack Kirby is another one. Specifically when I began looking at illustration as a career, I was very into Mark Ryden, Camille Rose Garcia, Gary Basemen, the Clayton Brothers… I still love the work of these and many other artists based out of LA. Marcel Dzama, the Royal Art Lodge and Neo Rauch also blew my mind. Of course, there were also comic artists from the golden age, too numerous to mention."
hey thanks for that quote ... so he knows about mr.rauch! and about mark ryden who is maybe an even more obvious influence ... and who I like for his coverdesigns for that old and defunct (?) punklabel "sympathy for the record industry"
Amazing review/overview/comparison! I've been aware of Heshka since his Blab!, Blabworld & Beasts! appearances, and was keeping an eye open for any solo books, but I still missed Mean Girls completely; so I was excited to pick that up after you featured it in Panellogy... and even more thrilled to find the Heshka monograph 'Fatales' at the same time, which is fantastic. As you mentioned, it's published by Cernunnos -- an imprint owned by Abrams, a well-established artbook publisher -- who are apparently devoted to Pop Surrealist/New Contemporary Artists. They also released a monograph called 'Visceral', based on the 'Movie Monster' specialist & 'Mondo' Poster artist Jason Edmiston (like Heshka, a Canadian, and the movie poster book featured in your review adds another layer of synchronicity). Both feature identical dimensions, materials & a similarly brilliant design, and both are printed/bound in Italy (always a bonus)... so more great monographs will be forthcoming soon from Cernunnos, hopefully.
I wasn't far into 'Fatales' before the Neo Rauch comparison became remarkable, even though both artists are approaching their art very differently. It was interesting to haul out the Hatje Cantz editions of Rauch's work - the 'Munich-Leipzig' 'flip-book double exh. catalogue' is a favorite of mine. So I was surprised, but not THAT surprised (given the other Heshka review & your interest in contemporary art, and not just comic & illustration art) to see you doing an excellent video on the exact same Neo Rauch (serious contemporary) & Ryan Heshka (Pop Surrealism) comparison. My opinion has been Earl Grey validated. Great video and I loved the monograph review.
P.S. Thanks for providing the proper pronunciation of Neo Rauch & Gerhard Richter, which I've been butchering.
ah, there are no butcherings ... only different pronounciations ... if it would be different I had to close down this channel :)
and "Visceral" looks great... it's a pity that I've already blown my budget for February :/
Ahhh, Ryan Heshka on the spot light. And of course Neo Rauch, although from this one I don't have so much knowledge about his work. Ryan is a kind of old acquaintance since the Blab magazine and Blabworld (sadly defunct). And Neo, has also a lingering presence in the art world (whom I'm not a hard follower, actually). Also the linkage and influence on both, coming from the 30, 40 or 50's style, it's pretty obvious. Much more on the RH stuff than on the NR works. Maybe that's why I prefer those sleek compositions with dramatic tones and colours of Ryan Heshka. And the size of his paintings!!! Almost tiny, probably in comparison with Neo... :)
"And the size of his paintings!!!" ... have you seen them in some exhibition?
I have not, unfortunately. But , I've seen a documentary from 2016 "Comrades and Companions" (Gefarhten und begleiter), and It's pretty informative. Also, the RH book, states that many to the paintings are indeed, tiny.
Neo Rauch and comics!
I've said it here once and i'll say it again - Ryan Heshka is amazing. Too bad there are not other available comics from him (besides those 2 titles from Nobrow) but i guess illustration work pays better... I confess i didn't know Neo Rauch work with seems highly interesting but not overwhelming - did he used to draw comics?
no, Neo Rauch is totally absorbed in this fine art world ... which pays him pretty well ... speaking of which: he's or rather was(?) a professor in Leipzig for art.
You can clearly see how enormously influenced he is by Rauch. It's almost plagiarism! But well done though.. I am 100% sure he has been looking at Rauch ALOT. As a painter, I can tell you.. we all do. We all steal.
or borrow from the same sources
@@earlgrey862 He already did that. I followed Heshka for a while.. and then Rauch got big.. and out of nowhere Heshka changed his style radically towards the direction of Rauch. Rauch has an enormous impact on alot of artists. But I think that is just what Heshka needed.. and makes his art even better.. gives it way more depth. And I am sure he thinks/thought so aswell.
Meh, I think I'll stick with Max Ernst for my dose of weird.
Max Ernst is actually totally different... but yeah if I had to chose between them: Max would be my supply of surreal weirdness as well... he's one of my favorite painters anyway
@@earlgrey862 To be fair, I only had Ernst of the mind because I just recieved his Une semaine de bonté.
Unrelated to Ernst. I received my copy of Beautiful darkness... while I liked it, I don't know if I would have still liked it if I hadn't seen Don Bluth's Thumbelina, Maya the Bee and was had no knowledge of Peanuts. I'm certain I would love the ending no matter what but the rest of the book, it was more nostalgia trip then anything else. Here's hoping Satanie is less nostalgia trip and I can appreciate it more.