QLC vs TLC SSDs: Samsung QVO & EVO

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  • QLC and TLC SSD comparison, including an explanation of how SSDs work, P/E cycle endurance, and performance tests of 1TB Samsung QVO and EVO 860 SSDs with Intelligent TurboWrite technology.
    The Samsung QVO 860 1TB SSD tested in the video can be purchased from Amazon.com here: amzn.to/33y9rwG and from Amazon.co.uk here: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B078WST5R... (affiliate links). The prices are significantly less than those cited from the Samsung website!
    The Samsung EVO 860 1TB SSD tested in the video can be purchased from Amazon.com here: amzn.to/2Z8O81r and from Amazon.co.uk here: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07KSHCG3... (affiliate links). The prices are significantly less than those cited from the Samsung website!
    Please note that the SSDs shown in this video were purchased for ongoing use, and not were received as review samples. So this is not a sponsored video!
    CrystalDiskMark can be found online at: crystalmark.info/en/software/...
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  • @CH0015
    @CH0015 4 роки тому +760

    You explain everything so clearly. Keep up the great work!

    • @mrkitty777
      @mrkitty777 4 роки тому +10

      I want the EVO.

    • @maicod
      @maicod 4 роки тому +8

      EVO's are cool

    • @CiscoPhipse
      @CiscoPhipse 4 роки тому +2

      I know :-) He makes understanding this sooo clear!

    • @joseanderson-cuff6491
      @joseanderson-cuff6491 4 роки тому +3

      I agree, he is a brilliant man and teacher as well. I love the way he illustrates his subject matter in his videos. Helps the persons who are not so 'tech-savy' to grasp what he is trying to explain.

    • @fantv525
      @fantv525 Рік тому

      I agree.

  • @rickbhattacharya2334
    @rickbhattacharya2334 4 роки тому +780

    I really wish they change MLC to DLC (Dual Level cell ) , but that may result a copyright infringement lawsuit from EA 🤔🤔.

    • @herrfriberger5
      @herrfriberger5 4 роки тому +40

      And change _"level"_ to _"bit"_ (as the number of *_levels_* are 2, 4, 8 and 16, respectively).

    • @fulldnbboy
      @fulldnbboy 4 роки тому +14

      No, defo not happening. They then would not be able to sell tlc drives so easily next to mlc to less knowledgeable person. Mlc means also tlc and qlc realy since multi word in mlc is very wide meaning word lol.

    • @catsspat
      @catsspat 4 роки тому +10

      Samsung marketing is already more descriptive than other brands. They've dropped TLC nomenclature completely. Instead they say 2-bit MLC and 3-bit MLC. See newegg, for example. For some reason, though, they still use the Q in the QVO. I'm guessing it's because the drives aren't entirely 4-bit (16-level) per cell in operation, as it will manage them based on usage and available capacity.

    • @fulldnbboy
      @fulldnbboy 4 роки тому +7

      @@catsspat right.... 2bit mlc and 3 bit mlc and 4 bit mlc, all are mlc so that the more numbers, the more people buy thing like always lol. tho 2 bit mlc is real mlc, other are tlc and qlc. but marketing team abused word "multi" in mlc word compination and adapted it to tlc and qlc since tlc and qlc do have multi level cells. just plain word play.

    • @glenwaldrop8166
      @glenwaldrop8166 4 роки тому +11

      Your average Joe thinks bigger numbers are better so they'll likely buy QLC thinking it is better than TLC or MLC.

  • @batuhancokmar7330
    @batuhancokmar7330 4 роки тому +685

    I think this "42GB cache" deserves some explaination: Both drives may truly have 42GB cache, but while writing such large sequential files, drives use their much higher IOPS capability to write to TLC/QLC and the SLC cache at the same time... We know QVO's QLC (as seen around 12:26 mark) is barely capable of ~75MB/s without using cache so here is the math:
    From the start of the video up until it slows down at 1.35 QVO drive had written 75 - 29= ~46GBs... Of which, drive write at its known ~75MB/s speed to as QLC (from the start) for first 95 seconds, approximately storing 4,4GBs worth of data.. Remaning data is 46 - 4,4 = 41,6GBs which couldn't be written to slow QLC, so it has to be written to 42GB SLC cache, filling it and then slowing down transfer to only what QLC is capable of... Since evo does exactly the same and writes to TLC and SLC at the same time, but TLC itself is much faster than QLC (roughly around 200-250MB/s), your 75GB test file probably wasn't enough to fill up its 42GB SLC cache...
    This is the exact behaviour I've observed from my tests with my own intel 660p... It doesn't "simply" fill up its 76GB cache (when 50% full) and then slow down... If I hammer it with burst 1.5GB/s writes it does just that (technically it probably doesn't but it doesn't make a noticable difference)... But when writing from a slower source at ~340MB/s, drive doesn't slow down even at 120GB file transfers...
    This dynamic cache behaviour matters a lot more than it would seem in real life use cases.. When transferring large a game for example, it has both large files and small ones.. My reading source is two SATA SSDs in RAID-0 configuration... If the source sends burst of sequential files @1GB/s, 660p caches them.. When source slows down ~60 MB/s to read hundeds of

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +143

      Great post.

    • @bmanske1
      @bmanske1 4 роки тому +98

      Great post! You saved me from writing about the same thing. One differing point of view... I wouldn't call older SSDs garbage. They move to their proper position down the food chain. For example, I'm now using inexpensive low end SSDs with Raspberry Pi computers.

    • @SaturnusDK
      @SaturnusDK 4 роки тому +48

      Great post. I may add that HLC (hexa level cells) drives are in active development, and PLC (penta level cell) drives are already being produced by Tobisha as an example. This trend will probably continue until OLC (octa level cell) drives at least since all it basically requires is higher grade of material purity in the charge trap layer, and refinement of the ADC read decoder. Writing is done by PWM (pulse width modulation) so that in principle has no upper bounds that are relevant for this purpose.
      What we will see in the future is even more intelligent controllers that can distinguish between different levels of cell damage because a future octa level cell may get damaged but may still function just fine as a QLC or SLC cell. At the same time controllers will do active data tier levels where data is only moved to persistent higher level cells once it's determined that the data is indeed persistent data.

    • @batuhancokmar7330
      @batuhancokmar7330 4 роки тому +34

      ​@@SaturnusDK Speaking of intelligent controllers... In the future, instead of controllers doing all the guesswork, I only wish there would be a lot more user interactivity while setting up the SSDs (in addition to some "auto" mode for less tech-sawwy people, of course).. Users should be able to select his/her movie archive folder an set it to write in QLC always (or whatever highest level device support), and set their, say, temporary render output folder to stay SLC all the time.. Windows already reports actual size and "size on disk" as seperate criteria so it wouldn't be too hard for non tech-sawwy users to understand.. Write MLC instead of QLC and "size on disk" will report twice the actual size. Also, "cache" size should be user adjustable. I have 450GB+ empty space on my 1TB drive, intel says I can only have ~70GB of cache.. Why? I don't care about longevity of cells and I would want to set this entire area as cache. Technically, SLC cache can encompass the entire empty space as data will be read to DRAM and then written as QLC anyway.
      With very little software tweaks for taking user input (which will be definately easier than developing "smarter" controllers) the difference between a pro drive and a entry level drive would disappear (apart from actual cell/controller quality)... You don't buy xTB drive. You buy X amount of cells. You are free choose to configure it all as 256GB SLC disk, 1TB QLC or 2TB OLC disk... Or somewhere in between, adjust write levels on folder-by-folder basis. Have both high capacity folders, and high speed folders at the same time on the same SSD. If you need more capacity, you sacrifice write speed or viceversa, you just select a folder right-click into some menu and adjust the slider.. This is my dream SSD at least...

    • @glenwaldrop8166
      @glenwaldrop8166 4 роки тому +14

      What you just described will likely someday be referred to as "overclocking" your SSD.
      Custom firmware and give it hell.

  • @ivo4357
    @ivo4357 Рік тому +4

    what a joy to hear a PERSON explain these things instead of a computer voice bombarding us with useless abbreviations without any explanation whatsoever. Great job, thanks.

  • @noeuro
    @noeuro 4 роки тому +171

    QLC needs some TLC to feel better.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +20

      :)

    • @KTHKUHNKK
      @KTHKUHNKK 3 роки тому +4

      @@ExplainingComputers
      I love how you just know your stuff so well.
      Keith Kuhn

    • @redshift3639
      @redshift3639 3 роки тому

      Hah! love it! Would never have spotted that pun!

    • @Poire33
      @Poire33 3 роки тому +2

      Great pun. More seriously though, both drives have that SLC cache.

    • @johndripper
      @johndripper 3 роки тому +1

      @Gea Sih PLC is in works 🤪😈

  • @speedfreakpsycho
    @speedfreakpsycho 4 роки тому +231

    i wish all of my teachers were like this guy, i would've actually learned something.

    • @BogzTemplates
      @BogzTemplates 4 роки тому

      true!

    • @remace07
      @remace07 3 роки тому +1

      you wish all of your teachers would fly over all subjects, telling things, but not practicing anything... well You just didn't undestand the difference between a youtuber and a teacher.

    • @1invag
      @1invag 3 роки тому +2

      Did you try listening instead of daydreaming and tossing it off? Lol stupid question I know, you were probably tossing it off. Then few years later try to pin the blame on someone else... Like we all invariably do 😇

    • @daniDEE_tv
      @daniDEE_tv 3 роки тому

      I agree. I learn the most from this channel myself everytime clearly understanding the "works" behind the hardware knowing what makes the difference in future "better" revisions to consider finding best for the price i want to spend be happy with get most perfomance pout the part for price - thanks to this channel once again

  • @kevinsjournal
    @kevinsjournal 3 роки тому +4

    I came originally planning to skip to the last 5 mins to see which was better, but got my attention and ended up watching the whole thing, actually made it super interesting!

  • @coinexchange1761
    @coinexchange1761 4 роки тому +8

    This channels has legendary quality content. It is extremely concise and well produced.

  • @norfilmshetland
    @norfilmshetland 4 роки тому +79

    What a lucid explanation. Clearly stated, no waffle - exactly what I was looking for!

  • @AndrewGulak
    @AndrewGulak 4 роки тому +515

    So you're saying SSD's work off of some form of wizardry.

    • @SteelSkin667
      @SteelSkin667 4 роки тому +50

      That's reassuring, all those years I was thinking it was witchcraft.

    • @brianm6337
      @brianm6337 4 роки тому +6

      @Cellphone Dave That explains that little guy with the pointed hat that appears on my screen. Got 'WIZZARD' spelled across his hat, calls himself Rincewind...

    • @wembley636
      @wembley636 4 роки тому +2

      @@brianm6337 I do wish these Wizard's would pop up a message when their about to die, as all Wizard's know when they are going to die :)

    • @MrJozza65
      @MrJozza65 4 роки тому +1

      @Cellphone Dave Don't forget all the pixies which do the wizard's bidding by moving the electrons up into the traps and back again.

    • @GizmoFromPizmo
      @GizmoFromPizmo 4 роки тому

      lol

  • @alaninbliss
    @alaninbliss 4 роки тому +2

    This is vital information for me and I appreciate that you do the research and share it all so clearly and concisely. Explaining Computers is my most favorite UA-cam channel bar none. Please keep up the great work. And Thank You! :-)

  • @trollenz
    @trollenz 4 роки тому +2

    Awesome video... In 17 minutes, all you every wanted to know about SSDs and the difference between EVO and QVO... hundredths of pages and several sellers never actually made it that clear for me. Thanks. Subscribed !

  • @earlstone2374
    @earlstone2374 4 роки тому +21

    Thanks for the many videos you make and all the information you pass on .

  • @nullzero821
    @nullzero821 4 роки тому +199

    Samsung engineer: we made a drive that stores data on it
    Samsung marketing: we made a drive that makes a difference
    lol

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +32

      Nice.

    • @symphonia277
      @symphonia277 4 роки тому +6

      Nice.

    • @tuunaes
      @tuunaes 4 роки тому +2

      Correction: Samsung's marketing makes people pay same GB price as higher up drive of other makers.

    • @Robin-sf3gk
      @Robin-sf3gk 4 роки тому

      I understood the SSD makes a difference compared to other hardware upgrades in a system.

  • @thevortexATM
    @thevortexATM 4 роки тому +3

    most thorough exposure of the drawbacks of these QLC drives that i have seen, great video

  • @geoffreyjohnstone5465
    @geoffreyjohnstone5465 4 роки тому +2

    Wow, thats incredibly informative. I really enjoyed that. Hoping for more of this type of content from you, CB

  • @KrishnenduBiswas
    @KrishnenduBiswas 4 роки тому +12

    Your video contains lot of technical information. Keep posting this kind of videos. Really appreciate your work. Thank you.

  • @mirzosharifjalolov4247
    @mirzosharifjalolov4247 4 роки тому +17

    As always, short and concise. Thanks for explaining!

  • @jasonbutler2605
    @jasonbutler2605 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent, very descriptive, very well documented and presented comparison and explanation of TLC and QLC technology of SSD drives.
    Thank you so much for that. Once again, your video is worth more than reading quite a number of different benchmarks.
    It is so rare to come across such top-notch information presented in impeccable English.
    I am 63 years old, I have used computers and done extensive programming since 1979 and, yes, I wish I had teachers like you when I was still a student. Thank you so much!

  • @axlse
    @axlse 4 роки тому +4

    Thanks, this was a very well made and thought out video with a very interesting topic that has caught my interest.
    Thank you so much for all your hard work and the effort that you put into these videos that have both an educational value and entertainment one for the mind.

  • @willyarma_uk
    @willyarma_uk 4 роки тому +10

    Brilliant! I was looking at Samsung SSDs this morning and wondered what this meant! Perfect timing.

  • @jackcameback
    @jackcameback 4 роки тому +3

    I absolutely love this channel!!! I have been into computers both personally and professionally for many many years and I learn so much from you, thank you so much!

  • @Fooz766
    @Fooz766 4 роки тому +348

    I'm sorry fellas but I'm a HDD guy, it allows me to take shit break while the game loading 👍🏻

    • @TommyTwoYooks
      @TommyTwoYooks 4 роки тому +9

      Mr. Obaid on god something I didn’t dnt appreciate enough before getting SSDs

    • @jasonlisonbee
      @jasonlisonbee 4 роки тому +2

      That explains why the long waits after your PC is finished loading it.

    • @ejojo13
      @ejojo13 4 роки тому +2

      SToP eating around the clock!!

    • @drama.sreerama
      @drama.sreerama 3 роки тому +1

      Smort xD

    • @CristianSpitz
      @CristianSpitz 3 роки тому +1

      Mr.Obaid, I have bad news for you.... they did this kind of shit to HDD also, only it was "laser" etching of bits on HDD disk platters. The same HDD platters accomodate today up to 8 times more data than 10 years ago.

  • @RolandTschiah
    @RolandTschiah 4 роки тому +3

    This was the perfect level of complexity about SSDs for me. Very well explained, thank you

  • @TheProjectOverload
    @TheProjectOverload 4 роки тому +9

    Again - one of the clearest and yet detailed explanation of "tricky" SSD technology - Not all companies are transparent on their SSD designs either - Thanks for clearing this up!

  • @MicrobyteAlan
    @MicrobyteAlan 4 роки тому +19

    Fascinating, you keep me up to date with new technology. Thanks from an old computer engineer.

    • @highdesert50
      @highdesert50 4 роки тому +2

      Egad ... VAX 11/780 ... back to paper tape reader days!

  • @HackDaBox
    @HackDaBox 4 роки тому +1

    Another excellent video Chris , I was a skeptic and very scared of life expectancy and now love my Samsung EVO 860 ! Thanks for this fine video and your excellent and unique style it’s simply the best !

  • @wisdoom9153
    @wisdoom9153 4 роки тому

    I love the fact that this channel keep its classic appeal and I'm very much appreciate the clear explanation.

  • @SovereignKnight74
    @SovereignKnight74 4 роки тому +3

    Another impressive well defined video. You sir, are invaluable to UA-cam and to all of your subscribers.

  • @JoseLopez-oz1xm
    @JoseLopez-oz1xm 4 роки тому +7

    Awesome Video Chris, Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

  • @Mike0193Azul
    @Mike0193Azul 3 роки тому +2

    Fantastic info! This video is by far the best at differentiating between the two drive technologies. Thank you 😊

  • @chrismin13
    @chrismin13 4 роки тому +2

    Really great explanation, thanks for all the technical info! I think many people will find this helpful, as I certainly did.

  • @isaacclarke4259
    @isaacclarke4259 4 роки тому +5

    I just installed two 500 GB 860 EVO's. I needed to replace an aging WD 500 GB Blue HHD that is around eight years old. After installation and migrating my PC's windows OS and various other programs, from the HHD to the SSD, I have to say I am very impressed by the performance. From boot up to running DOOM 2016, on ultra settings 1440P 60FPS, it is a huge game changer. Although, I was a bit skeptical at first, my brother had already made the leap a few months before. I am glad he helped in changing my mind. Cheers to you K.

  • @PeteVanDemark
    @PeteVanDemark 4 роки тому +3

    Great information presented clearly as always. Thanks again!

  • @marcse7en
    @marcse7en 4 роки тому +1

    Wow! I love this guy! Not only is he great at what he does, but he's a great character too! Very engaging! The videos have excellent production values! Always well worth a watch! Well done! 👍

  • @trevorreedstudios
    @trevorreedstudios 4 роки тому +1

    Absolutely fantastically presented and superbly informative. Once again you have taught us well Obi Juan. Thanks for all your research.

  • @shinigamilee5915
    @shinigamilee5915 4 роки тому +11

    As you know from my previous posts, I have flash memory data expertise in building and designing hardware dating back to 2008 and even further if you consider spinning drives as well as being a contributor for m.2 and other newer open source standards. So I pay particularly close attention to these subjects more than others. That being said, I felt like your presentation was excellent! I have started using your clips occasionally in presentations. So hopefully you get even more followers as a result.

    • @Deathrape2001
      @Deathrape2001 Рік тому

      His video proves that solid state drives R just a ridiculous $cam = even slower than regular hard drives, + unreliable = pointless =)) Reminds me of guys chopping off their weenies pretending it turns them into girls HAHA

  • @sodiumvapor13
    @sodiumvapor13 3 роки тому +3

    Like always a very well done presentation with all the relevant info!

  • @DarkMagician281
    @DarkMagician281 3 роки тому

    Everything clearly explained and simplified as I struggle to understand technical terms and or phases. Awesome channel.

  • @edppps3294
    @edppps3294 4 роки тому +2

    Great explanation sir !!!
    I was looking for this technology to understand the basics..
    Thank you for this video.

  • @sdhpCH
    @sdhpCH 4 роки тому +7

    YESSSS! I made the right decision! Thx for this video, I just bought 2 of these 1TB, and I was wondering if QVO or EVO would be the better choice. I went for EVO and now see I did the right thing because I too have large video files to shovel around. And the result of the comparison made my day. Thx Chris, good video as always.

  • @michaeljijus980
    @michaeljijus980 4 роки тому +4

    Thank you for perfecto explanation!!
    I been wondering if I done mistake to buying QVO 1 TB instead of EVO..
    This video helped me so much!!
    My worries are gone.
    Thank you

    • @AQuestioner
      @AQuestioner 3 роки тому

      So do you think you still made the right choice by buying QVO?

  • @drsmith3411
    @drsmith3411 4 роки тому +2

    Always great videos that teach me something valuable. This one was excellent!

  • @dr.greenthumb338
    @dr.greenthumb338 4 роки тому +2

    THANK YOU!!!!
    I understood their differrences clearly.
    Great work kind sir :D

  • @eyadamayreh6392
    @eyadamayreh6392 4 роки тому +3

    Very informative and easy to grasp, thank you. Please keep it up.

  • @obsprisma
    @obsprisma 4 роки тому +4

    I am still working with a EVO 840 250Gb for 4 years now and i still have no complains about the drive. I am at 1/2 way of its lifetime now. I used 60Tb while its lifetime expects to have in between 120 to 150Tb writing. But my next drive soon will be an EVO 860 1 Tb drive for certain.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +2

      I know that so many people here use EVO drives. They are great SSDs.

  • @WR3ND
    @WR3ND 4 роки тому +2

    Very well done explanation and test. About the only thing I could have hoped for more was seeing you test how full the fast write on the EVO could go and what it would throttle down to for comparison. Regardless, thanks a lot. I'm adding this video to a personal reference playlist. Cheers. 👍

  • @freakstate
    @freakstate 3 місяці тому

    Thank you! Congrats on nearly reaching 1mill subscribers!

  • @Chaosxinc
    @Chaosxinc 4 роки тому +4

    I like all the single board computer demonstrations on this channel, very interesting stuff. However, I found this channel doing research on SSD's. So I love the videos, like this one, that go over all the technologies involved along with tests. Excellent video 👍

  • @robertfletcher3421
    @robertfletcher3421 4 роки тому +4

    Thanks so much, it was very informative and something I need to take note of.

  • @Colin_Ames
    @Colin_Ames 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks for a very clear explanation of the differences between these two types of drive.

  • @emilym4780
    @emilym4780 4 роки тому +1

    I know very little of computer hardware but try to stay informed when looking to upgrade my PC. This video was very simple and easy to understand. Thank you!

  • @arshdeepsinghsoni13469
    @arshdeepsinghsoni13469 4 роки тому +3

    Hello Sir Your channel is the best channel on UA-cam. No ad no background music. Only the good subject. I appreciate it. Keep it up.

  • @wavemaker54
    @wavemaker54 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you. I appreciate you explaining these things.

  • @mikepaul3200
    @mikepaul3200 2 роки тому +1

    I really do love your channel. Got me into tinkering on computers. Keep up the good work man.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  2 роки тому

      Thanks for this. Great to hear that you are tinkering, always cool. :)

  • @OsoPolarClone
    @OsoPolarClone 4 роки тому +3

    Great video. I did not know that SSD’s came in different “flavors”. I saw the cost differences, but did not understand why. Now I do! THANKS!

  • @theshowman8478
    @theshowman8478 4 роки тому +3

    Another very well explained video. Thanks.

  • @elviraeloramilosic9813
    @elviraeloramilosic9813 4 роки тому +3

    Hello Chris👋🏻
    Every Sunday your videos remind me of the simple fact that I get for granted: my passion for learning&explore that triggers all possible switches of my natural curiosity that got me anyway deep in dealing with IT and computers in all correlations imaginable.
    And beyond IT.
    Thank you for your valuable work and efforts. 🏆🥇

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +1

      Hi Elvira -- thanks for the cup and medal! :) Next week we have a robot controlled with a neural net! :) Which involved some serious learning for me. :)

    • @elviraeloramilosic9813
      @elviraeloramilosic9813 4 роки тому +1

      ExplainingComputers
      Amazing! Can't wait.
      I very curious how is going to perform.
      I suppose you gained a quite of insights and learned new stuff in process. And got few ideas. 😁
      Beautiful.

  • @admiralandersen
    @admiralandersen 4 роки тому +1

    I love that I understand when you explain computers Chris

  • @DK.Omar.
    @DK.Omar. 2 роки тому +1

    wow, so informative and so clear that I didn't skip a second in fact I had to listen again to some parts of this beautiful lesson. Thank you so much Sir.

  • @F4LLEND4RK
    @F4LLEND4RK 4 роки тому +7

    As someone who watches many videos in the tech side of UA-cam; I have to say this is probably one of the best I've ever watched. Not only is the theory there but also most aspects of practical information I could ever wish to find in a single video. Amongst other useful information there are comparisons between two current market leading SSDs, which is of high value to those buying SSDs right now, and also including current market price to give the viewer a better idea of price to performance, which is a significant concern for the average buyer.

  • @Tepnox
    @Tepnox 4 роки тому +4

    Extraordinary well explained! Thank you sir - subscribed and liked!

  • @plfarinha
    @plfarinha 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the great explanation Chris.
    I was between the TLC and the QLC drives, and thanks to you I made up my mind, considering the workload I'm going to put the drive through.
    Kind regards, keep up the good work.

  • @alocin110
    @alocin110 4 роки тому +1

    As always, top of the mark your videos are. Thank you Chris. This was an excellent presentation and very educational. Keep up the good work. I liked yours and subscribed.

  • @carel0069
    @carel0069 4 роки тому +3

    I like.... how you present..... your videos.... and give the correct..... technical information........ of the drives that...... you tested

  • @fadikobrossi6911
    @fadikobrossi6911 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you very much. Very useful as usual

  • @extremelydave
    @extremelydave 4 роки тому +1

    Yet another outstanding sharing of timely information. You rock Chris!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Kmcornell23
    @Kmcornell23 4 роки тому

    This is the best explained video of QLC drives I've found. I've tried to explain to people the differences but they often just don't understand. I will be sharing this video for sure.

  • @tomoneill2511
    @tomoneill2511 4 роки тому +3

    G'day mate. This past 6 months has been a technological-hunt for extra resourceful and primary computing knowledge of current OS/programming/IoT, programming, hardware and software development. It's been a radical process - I've learnt so much more than expected and it has become a major endeavour and hobby.
    Yet another great opportunity to sponge up critical information and positively great channel!! thanks for helping hand Chris :)
    Ps. can you please possibly discuss/review the Onion Omega2+?
    Not many great results or resources for this topic and I am very interested in your comments!!
    Keep smashing out the cutting-edge service cheers again.
    Tom

  • @NoelGutierrezA
    @NoelGutierrezA 4 роки тому +3

    WOW, this is so interesting, thanks!

  • @Trackformers
    @Trackformers Рік тому +1

    The way he speaks brings me back to my childhood. It's like ASMR.. It's making me fall a sleep, and i love it..

  • @norbertnedsworth7172
    @norbertnedsworth7172 4 роки тому +1

    Clearly presented, no hype, no waffle. Thank you.

  • @crumplezone1
    @crumplezone1 4 роки тому +3

    I bit the bullet and bought a 1TB samsung QVO about 6 months ago and I am over the moon with reliability and speed on my old G62 HP. like you I will never have trusted a SSD over a year ago due to bad experiences with them a few years back..they all failed within a month !
    All I will say I am a convert and if you aint got one then you are missing out on that extra oomph !
    And I will add that Samsung must be congratulated on finally converting a serious SSD doubter like me , so well done !

  • @blackmennewstyle
    @blackmennewstyle 4 роки тому +68

    Manufacturers should really make the effort of advertising clearly the differences between both technologies. If you look at these boxes, there is simply no clear mention of the current technology.
    This is clearly a way for misleading some consumers.
    Thanks as always for the fantastic video.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +23

      I had not thought of this -- you make a very good point indeed. Both the EVO and QVO Samsung SSDs are great drives, but they could be clearer pointing out the differences.

    • @photonboy999
      @photonboy999 4 роки тому +11

      @@ExplainingComputers ,
      I'm constantly explaining to people why QLC drives aren't horrible. There's massive confusion related to the performance drop that only happens after a large, sustained write. But people keep saying "don't buy QLC because the performance just drops off a cliff if you do much" when in reality very, very few people will every write that much data at once. The LOWER PRICE makes a QLC SSD more than ideal for most people... if you're some god-like being who explains computers you may have different needs but for us mere mortals QLC is fine.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +7

      @@photonboy999 I totally agree. I think we will see QLC drives become more and more popular with many users. As I said at the end of the video, we did not trust TLC not that many years ago.

    • @Error42_
      @Error42_ 4 роки тому +5

      It raises a point about marketing and how specs are very much manipulated. There is some what a comparison here to saying it's like buying a car that can do 100mph, but after 5 miles it's limited to 50mph. A bit of a grey area really. For normal daily use I can see that this would be fair enough (at least for the drives, not the car). But if this is not clear it could cause problems in certain usage scenarios.

    • @animalyze7120
      @animalyze7120 4 роки тому +2

      @@photonboy999 Sadly you are mistaken, QLC Drives are good, the downside is the time it takes that drive to become worn out compared to a TLC or even an MLC drive. QLC Drives wear out faster writing the same amount of Data that a TLC writes, while they are a great cost to performance solution the issue comes down to long term redundancy and it is there that QLC lose their luster. So you wouldn't want to use one say for your system drive, but a steam drive would be applicable or movies and music, basically anything that doesn't constantly have writes, erasures and more writes.

  • @marcopaiva_
    @marcopaiva_ 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you very much Christopher for share your videos with us.
    Your videos are exelent and have value information. I just imagine how much time you take to make them. Big hug

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks. This video was in production forever! Eight days in fact. Which cannot work on a weekly schedule. :)

  • @cosmindonea
    @cosmindonea 4 роки тому +1

    Your explanations are excellent. Thanks man !!!!

  • @timramich
    @timramich 4 роки тому +57

    You're not seeing the 42 GB SLC cache on the TLC drive, because it takes more than a 75 GiB transfer to see it. The TLC cells can take writing faster than the QLC cells, so your data is moving through that SLC cache faster.

    • @SixOThree
      @SixOThree 4 роки тому +3

      Since that was topic of the video, I would liked to have seen that point reached.

    • @nekomatafuyu
      @nekomatafuyu 4 роки тому +5

      I was thinking that we wouldn't see the drop at the 42GB point for that reason (for either SSD), but I didn't consider that the difference in TLC and QLC write speeds would be emptying the cache at such significantly different rates.
      I wonder if this also explains why the QVO also had faster write speeds during the cache phase: The EVO cache was spending more time sending data on permanent storage, and therefore had less time to receive the incoming data compared to the QVO's cache?

    • @timramich
      @timramich 4 роки тому +6

      @@nekomatafuyu The QVO probably just has faster cache. It's newer technology. It really sucks that SLC drives are nowhere to be found. I bet they could fit a pretty good amount in a 3.5" form factor.

    • @tommik1283
      @tommik1283 4 роки тому +3

      I have been using that 1 TB QVO since May in my laptop and for sure there is no cache like 42 GB not even 4 GB ready all the time. I copy music albums quite often their size hardly hitting 1 GB and the write speeds quickly drop to that shown on this video test (roughly 60 to 80 MB/s) and just in a few seconds. I now sort of regret I did not get Crucial MX500 instead since that was the SSD I was after initially.

    • @RedJRyan
      @RedJRyan 4 роки тому +2

      @@tommik1283 the buffer may be filled with more than just that file you're trying to copy. Basically the cache is hiding the slow write speed. My guess is that the cache was still busy with previous write operations.
      Let's say you're copying 1GB at a time. By the time you're copying your 42nd GB your operations will slow down because the previous are still being written to the drive.
      When it is a boot drive, it might be that by the time you're copying your filea, the buffer is already filled with loads of operations from other programs, like temp files and virtual memory.

  • @TheNightquaker
    @TheNightquaker 4 роки тому +7

    Hey Chris!
    I think it would be great if you could also test data retention of SSDs, when they're unpowered. It would probably require a fair bit of time (or maybe not...), but would be worth it.

  • @lijamesli4233
    @lijamesli4233 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much! The video is so informative and helpful, love it !

  • @-RockOn-
    @-RockOn- 3 роки тому +2

    You were the first person who explained this so well.

  • @saeidyazdani
    @saeidyazdani 4 роки тому +3

    WoW :) very informative video.... I personally did not know about the difference :)

  • @jonty2020
    @jonty2020 4 роки тому +3

    Excellent comparison. Would be great to see results for the Samsung Pro series alongside these 2!

  • @doublecheckityt
    @doublecheckityt 4 роки тому +1

    Your content is very useful. Thanks for all your efforts.

  • @edgarsnezinu1439
    @edgarsnezinu1439 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks i was all time thinking what is the difference between them ...Great video

  • @zungruitelbitladnaternoche7305
    @zungruitelbitladnaternoche7305 4 роки тому +4

    Awesome video once again. I would have liked to see you adding another 75Gb and see if the TLC would have dropped down at 78Gb or if it would just have kept on going strong and see how big the cache really is, since it wasn't 42Gb. Thanks again...

  • @williamrutter3619
    @williamrutter3619 4 роки тому +3

    Great video, informative indeed, I wish we had bank holiday Monday specials.

  • @62shalaka
    @62shalaka 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks Chris, great video. This information is very helpful.

  • @fahim618
    @fahim618 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks alot for this video. thanks for explaining all about QLC and TLC. great content. keep up the good work.

  • @augurseer
    @augurseer 4 роки тому +3

    Must be Sunday morning. Chris is doing another fantastic video.

  • @FirstLast-hm8oz
    @FirstLast-hm8oz 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you very much. It was clear and even for non engeneers, too.

  • @maltamo
    @maltamo 4 роки тому +1

    This channel is so underrated ! Love your videos.

  • @chriholt
    @chriholt 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you as always Chris!

  • @RSDDL
    @RSDDL 4 роки тому +4

    Presumably at the 42gb gigabyte point the TLC drive had (in the background) offloaded much more from the SLC cache to the main drive than the QLC drive had managed to at the same point, and it was able to do so because TLC is faster than QLC. In fact it seems like the SLC cache in the TLC drive was never actually at capacity, where as the SLC cache in the QLC drive hit capacity after about 45gb copied.

    • @d1oftwins
      @d1oftwins 4 роки тому

      You make a great point I didn't think of. Still, I think TLC would still run in capacity limits eventually, it just is able to delay that limit way further than QLC. Otherwise having a SLC cache on a TLC drive wouldn't make sense. Naturally we would need a greater volume of data to write to the TLC to show the same effect as the QLC.

  •  4 роки тому +4

    Great videos! Pure tech contend " state of art videos"

  • @Anonyminded
    @Anonyminded 4 роки тому +1

    Thx a lot Chris for making these tests👍

  • @kylenunyabeezwax7920
    @kylenunyabeezwax7920 4 роки тому +1

    Thank god for people who know to explain things in detail. most excellent :)

  • @SylphidUndine
    @SylphidUndine 4 роки тому +7

    now i understand why my friend said to avoid the samsung QVO. very glad i subscribed to this channel.

    • @claritoresdiano1021
      @claritoresdiano1021 4 роки тому +2

      QVO works well when you always save data without making many changes to stored data.

  • @uzefulvideos3440
    @uzefulvideos3440 4 роки тому +8

    12:32 I think the SLC cache content could just be written to the TLC memory faster than to the QLC memory.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +2

      Good point.

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA 4 роки тому +5

      That, or the drive itself is one that failed QC as a 2G drive, so got programmed as a 1G drive with only the good blocks allocated, leaving the 2G drive controller ( which would be the same controller per generation) with it's much larger cache in there, but with the reduced main memory capacity.
      Another is that they ran out of the lower capacity chipsets, so instead ( probably as it is a single pick and place item, with a stacked die inside) simply substituted the larger cache chipsets instead as they are layout compatible, or they have depreciated the older controllers with the new higher capacity cache version, and there is a blend of the different size cache controllers currently in the supply chain, so they are refraining from updating the spec sheet till they are sure all the older versions have been sold off in the supply chain.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  4 роки тому +4

      @SeanBZA An extremely good point -- I can believe this is the explanation. :)

    • @berndeckenfels
      @berndeckenfels 4 роки тому +4

      ExplainingComputers would be maybe good to test with more than 78gb, too.

  • @r3dleh107
    @r3dleh107 4 роки тому +2

    great content Chris as always. cheers

  • @tommyvictorbuch6960
    @tommyvictorbuch6960 4 роки тому +1

    Very useful information indeed.
    Thank you, Christopher.