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@@tlst94that's a interesting idea but Zenkais them selfs are designed to go beyond limits that is what makes Saiyans different then any other race, it makes sense for other races to have a cap but Saiyans have Zenkais and Saiyajin have no limit.
@@tlst94 Then Ki Blades, or just normal blades enhanced with Ki, become the way forward for attacks due to dealing more effective damage than a punch or blast, as well as being focused on a thin edge. Big energy avatars like Goku did in the manga become the best defense due to putting something between you and the enemy. Things like Multiform, Yardrat Multiplication, and Super Ghost Kamizake would become insane OP by allowing you to technically bypass the cap by having multiple people with the same power do the same thing at the same time, stacking all of it together. Instant Transmission and the Kai Kai would be legendary skills that would be even more worth learning. Ultra Ego would be worthless compared to just using Destruction energy normally, and Ultra Instinct would be an even more valuable
@@omnijonn277With Krillin it is less surprising though, since he has consistently been a secondary character who shows up at least a few times in every arc that ends up on Earth. He's not in the "main cast" of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, and Bulma, but he is still a frequent appearance as a secondary character to deal with whatever fodder that an enemy brings, and his techniques have been consistently relevant in every arc, even if he isn't present.
I hate how people cherrypick stuff… you act as if roshi in z likely would do the same to og db. Stop pretending like dragonball didn’t always make huge leaps between time periods to shit on super
@@BlueRainbowSky66maybe at first it was all Saiyans, but recently they've been giving the others some shine. The TOP, Moro arc, and superhero all gave the non Saiyan characters some good moments. Obviously the Saiyans took up a lot of screen time, but it was like that in Z to. I think super is definitely correcting itself.
@@ojpickle5923 Maybe, but the only difference is that in Z, the None Saiyan were more involved in Battles. And while it's true that Gohan and Piccolo got their time in Super Hero, the same thing can't be said for the Humans. In the ToP, they were the first one to be eliminated. And it was worse in the Manga. They lose right after the beginning of the Tournament. If they did the same thing as the Moro Saga, then it would have being great.
the humans are basically lost potential. legitimately, if taking use of more of king Kai’s training, kaioken, mystic, and doing gravity/more training, no breaks, we could literally see them at Vegito levels with the use of tiencha, during the start of super(Vegito levels referring to the Vegito in the BUU saga, mind you)
They won't get their Potential Unlocked by thr Elder Kai in thr actual series, if they did though then they would be pretty relative, at least able to rival Gohan before he got his Potential Unleashed.
I don't think we'd see quite Vegito (noting even that you mean Z Vegito rather than super because yeah SSB makes that unfair), but Vegito has the ability to transform into super saiyan. Even conceding that with all of that training the humans could have been equal to saiyans in their base forms, and therefore a fusion of them could be equivalent, Super Vegito would probably outscale them because perfected Super saiyan is kind of insane. Not to mention that the way saiyans grow during fights (including Vegito presumedly, although he's never actually been in a position to grow in a fight because he's vastly outmatched every opponent he's been up against), to at the very least a much higher degree than humans do, I think Vegito would still be stronger.
@@calebcamp2458 mystic is a directly higher multiplier, combined with kaioken, and fusion of the humans(who in this scenario are relative), combined with fusion multiplier, they are definitely stronger. base vs base, Vegito wins, but with transformations Tiencha wins
Well ssg god goku is stronger than vegito in z. Goku ultimately surpassed that power when the SSG was infused into him. So in the most recent chapters the humans scale to that gokus ssj level maybe even ssj2 which would destroy vegito in z. The humans in super now can solo eveyrbody in z easily
I think it's insane that Roshi with Yardrat and Whis training would probably be one of the strongest in the multiverse. Roshi is pretty strong with what he has, but he's never really had any crazy techniques or masters to push him. He'd probably master ultra instinct and spirit control really quickly, giving him absurd power beyond what would previously be imaginable. Goku is lucky that Roshi didn't decide to train under the same people as him.
You should watch Salad’s What if Roshi wished for youth, where he becomes young, gets rid of his perversion, rocks a cool orange gi & does exactly what you said & ends up becoming Kami & learning ultra instinct
this is kind of fan theory territory but in the android saga piccolo states that they all learned to amplify their base power in short intense bursts, possibly meaning that the non ssj fighters are all using some refined version of the kaioken and multiplying their power to some extent
I like the thought of one of the humans going back in time to the day of the Cell games, switching spots with their past self and blowing everyone's mind by casually one shotting Cell with zero effort. Vegeta would have a brain aneurysm
I think the reason why Yajorobie doesn't fight anymore is because all of the non-fighters crucified him to the stone ages after the Saiyan Saga fight for calling him a coward when he was crawling around in the background, behind rocks, waiting for the opportunity to cut off Vegeta's tail.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki When they were watching the fight using the TV News and Baba's crystal ball at Roshi's house. And then again at the hospital.
How the fuck are the non-fighters going to say shit when Yajirobie is literally the reason why Vegeta lost... If Yajorobie wasn't there Earth probably would've gotten destroyed. Besides, I'd like them try and do what Yajirobie did before they run their stupid mouths.
Their can't learn Kaioken and spirit bomb these techniques are not that easy to learn and their did have a opportunity to learn from king kai when they all died but they didn't learn it and that means they can't learn it
I’m so happy for Yamcha😄!! Everyone thinks that Yamcha is the weakest human in the entire DB Franchise. But after hearing what you said in this video, yamcha is actually pretty strong. Yamcha as strong as SS2 level Goku, post ToP and Broly movie?! That is Absolutely awesome 🤩!! Yamcha will be very overjoyed to hear that Salad Saiyan.
@@saadabdullah5786Imma be real with you, Yamcha ain't touching Goku Black. I like Yamcha, and feel like he's pretty underrated, but he ain't touching Goku Black. Maybe base and even SS(manga), but not SSR in the manga much less the anime.
Hey there Salad I was wondering if you can scale your what if characters(like Ruta,Evil Goku, Survived Bardock, Biker Raditz,Good Cooler , Turles, and Vegeta,etc not like a tier list but like a disscussion video like this one
The Gohan katchin thing is kinda wrong. The Kai's threw the block to test the sharpness/durability of the sword. If Gohan knew about infusing ki into his sword, doing it here would defeat the purpose of testing the sword itself. And if he did infuse the sword with ki, it would either slice through the katchin, not manage to break, or like you said Gohan isn't strong enough and it still broke. Even though Gohan base still wasn't strong enough, infusing his sword with ki still would have defeated the purpose of the test even if the outcome was the same.
I hope this gets seen but what if bardock didn’t marry gine and ended up having a child with Muezli making Goku a half ceruluin? I don’t know how possible this scenario it is I just came up with it tho. Also noice vid
I saw some clips where yamcha was fighting with Hit in dragon ball Heroes that aside send the humans back in time they might straight up solo every one up to a certain point
if they all trained together and kept doing different training, they would be stronger, heck if yamcha worked from a lower level, he would've been able to doing more gravity training in the android saga.
We need a new guide. Because even as you're explaining it, it's still confusing to me. Like, are Roshi and the humans able to fodderize the Cell and Kid Buu now? Or are we greatly overestimating Goku's power?
I'm just glad something involving Yurin was mentioned, she is pretty neat, I like her personality and she can can possess people and she does know martial arts although some think she doesn't when she definitely does. Yurin and Annin are to of my favorite filler characters.
Good video, great arguments and research. But I just can't fathom what that means, though. It's hard to imagine roshi at full power is 50x stronger than goku at base, let alone krillin being over 400x. It may be true, but then Goku needs to step it up and stop relying on transformations so much
I love the human fighters a lot. I don't care how much the show wants to focus on the Saiyans and to value just them. Hell NO! F that! Tenshinhan and Chaozu are my #1 favorites in the franchise. The humans and Piccoro Jr. has been nerfed constantly when in fact each of them can destroy a planet with ease. The strongest is of course Oob and the weakest is Yajirobe (yes I count him in). Let us not forget that Chaozu trained with K. Kai and improved dramatically. Common BP I see for him at the start of the androids saga is 750,000 and even a 1,000,000 is not out of the question. In DBS he is of course stronger because he kept on training he is devoted. I think the ROSAT would have helped the humans a lot if they used it. For me Tenshinhan is always above Kuririn.
i still think the reason why krillin is still the strongest human was beause of his unlocked potential causing him to grow better in a short about of time compared to the other human fighters
How did the humans grow so fast and are able to somewhat keep up with Goku after he got god ki and godly training. The humans were so far behind the saiyans before the battle of gods that they were amazed by the super saiyan transformations during DBZ and were extremely put powered. Does this mean that the humans found a better training method on earth than getting god ki and godly training? I understand that Goku was weakened but it still doesn't make sense that humans are increasing their base at a faster rate on earth without godly training than saiyans are while having acess to god ki and being trained by gods. This is just a rant not really trying to start a debate
Rise to the Occasion. Whenever you're striving against a much stronger threat, you grow faster. Unless you're too intimidated or demoralized, weakening your fighting spirit. They were all much weaker than Raditz at the beginning of the Saiyan Saga, but multiple times stronger than him (except Chiaotsu) by its end. That means they'd all be striving against super saiyans, meaning they should be much stronger than base form saiyans.
My only quote on this is you cannot say humans are ssj2/1/3 goku or vegeta level Because ssj is just a multiplier of strength as faar as i know If goku was weakened by moro's magic and lets say there current power level is 1m then ssj3 goku is just 400mil which is waay weaker than even semi perfect cell just to defend themselves at the time they might have used ssj(multipliers) to fight to live and not to win at the situation they were in if you have read the managa (when moro attacked namek) so goku can be anywhere from 1- infinity while he was fighting goons from prison Neither way the video was great and kachin point was extraordinary
we need to see new technique(s) or get something the earthlings can use (that's no kaio ken) that can hold up (at least) to super saiyan. This can be a filler arc in the anime or an arc in the manga krillin, tien, yamcha, or roshi can learn while in other world as a resource or from some other planet or universe
In the anime, No Ego Zone was ridiculously strong and it vanishing after that one episode was a shame. In the Forest of Terror, Goku said he would need his "full power" (at least Blue if we don't count KK) to break free from the fake Super Shenron's hold, and didn't even bother trying just God instead, implying it wouldn't be enough. Then Krillin achieves No Ego Zone and hits Super Shenron hard enough to damage it and make it drop Goku, implying that at the very least it is a little above Super Saiyan God Goku of that point in time. Which yes would make that version of Krillin be Universe Level
Is this an entirely made up fanfiction cause it never happened in any episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, GT or Super. I don't even remember anything like that happening in Xenoverse and those games have literally everything. And buddy, Universe level has been and gone by this point, Goku has Low Multiversal level feats by the end of Super alone and thr Manga up to thr Granolah arc has a Goku that's literally Thousands of times more powerful than the one at the end of Super. Goku is quite possibly Billions of times Universal in just SSJB alone.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki So you not only completely failed to understand that I was talking about an episode of the anime, you also somehow failed to understand that I was talking about Krillin instead of Goku. Well done, that is actually impressively bad reading comprehension.
@@DanielMWJ you don't need God Ki to use Ultra Instinct but a God infused body definitely helps a lot with the durability and focus needed to maintain it.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki If it wasn't the case that you needed god ki, then why the rigamarole of featuring Roshi's totally-not-ultra-instinct abilities during the TOP?
Hey salad, ive been watching dbz lately and realized something. Goku kind of provokes frieza when he gives him energy and flies off. He speaks about how there is no point in fighting him anymore, this infuriates frieza because he thinks hes being mocked. What if goku did not do this? What if instead he accepts what frieza tells him. He is most likely going to die, he responds, accepting this "fate" surprising frieza, however also intriguing him glad that a saiyan can realize his impending doom. Frieza would then fly off into space, I don't know what else you would do with this going forward or what the series would be. But i kind of want to see frieza realize what goku was trying to teach him. Understand that life is precious. That's really it. You can make a full series if you have enough material, or a what if mini if you can't think of much.
Indeed, to say that the earthlings are weak is quite an understatement. You talked about Super feats here, but when you look back in Z. Even Kakarot during the Trunks saga/Metal Frieza & Cold fight places Yamcha & Tien respectively at "between 13000 - 30000" and Tienshinhan even in the 100K+ range I believe. Not to mention Krillin, who (while indeed potential unlocked) had a confirmed 78 000 during the Frieza fight. While these numbers may just sound like regular digits. Remember that Vegeta & Nappa weren't even remotely this strong until the former getting zenkais. Meaning that in maybe two years of training (not to mention Yamcha actually likely slacking off). The earthlings already surpassed the Saiyans that easily. Which really makes you realize how underutilized they actually are.
Salad, i love your videos, but you can't be more wrong than this video. To explain myself, at the end of the namek saga the power level of base goku was 3,000,000, krillin's power level was 36,000, since then goku had been training with gods, and krillin had not been training in half of the time, so you can't even say that base goku is weaker than krillin.
I dream of sending Krillin back to the early Z part days. Just to see a bald dwarf clap the most dangerous beings of the universe with ease. It'd be incredible
That's basically impossible for Salad since he isn't a powerscaler plus he doesn't know about Hyperversal and Outerversal level stuff so he wouldn't even give an accurate scale anyways.
Honestly I wish power levels kinda came back again. I don't know, but maybe bulma could make a scouter that could calculate 1 million or billion power levels back to single digits like 1. So like a power level of 100ccs (capcule corp scouter) could mean a 100 million or 100 billion power level. And power gaps can be better estimated again instead of getting confused with big numbers.
@@makssachs8914 yeah, but i know for a fact that most dragon ball fans won't really like it. Plus, you think goku would understand math without being explained everytime? My version is simpler in a different way as well as bulma not really being shown to be a mathematician and more like a scientific engineer.
No, Piccolo used the Dragon Balls to force his potential put and Shenron also gave him the Orange form. Piccolo got Two transformations in that movie, Awakened Potential and Orange. If the Hunans did the same thing then they'd literally get thr exact same transformation as Gohan because it's literally just their potential being unleashed which is the transformation.
@@somethingwithultra7231 I still think you replied to the wrong comment since I still never mentioned either of those things. Also the ants going SSJ isn't an indication that anything can go SSJ, no it's an indicator that ants have adapted some Saiyan DNA as Gohan described it and can use a small transformation.
@saladSaiyan this might be a dumb idea but what about a what if where goku and or vegeta locked in time chamber with they wives?? of course with bulma you gotta figure out how to include her technology with her. maybe she had some capsules in her coat and they got everything they could ever need and even have a kid who is a beast and whooping ass when they get out starting with they sibblings such as goten trunks and gohan. its just a dumb idea and this comment might never get read but its a nice thought.
6:52 Well the thing is I thought final form 100% Frieza on Namek was Star level and all the Krillin, Tien and Yamcah as well as now Roshi have surpassed that level.
what if the Saiyan's drain was from there base? then your got them OP. they are just human there Kei control and tac is there power, think of the green lantern.
Using the Katchin as any form of scaling is a fucking joke lol. Gohan, Goku, Shin, and Kibito all had faith in the sword itself being able to cut through the Katchin. Not a powered up Gohan using the sword, just a base Gohan (that's also suppressed since he's not fighting anyone at that moment and in both anime and manga we don't see any aura coming off him). They believe the sword wouldn't get damaged but they were wrong. There's no indication that Katchin > Gohan when they were solely relying on the Z sword to be able to cut through it.
I always viewed Tien as stronger than Krillan since Krillan was never good at keeping up his training especially after he got married while Tien was constantly traveling the planet and training before settling down and starting that new crane school or whatever he called it
I just want a 1 spin off episode where everyone prepares to fight Black Frieza, how I see it: Everyone trains for him to strike again, Frieza laughs confronting all of them, he sees a Gogeta, Gotenks, Brohan (Potara fusion of Broly and Gohan), Piccolo who absorbed the rest of the namekians while training them, Android 17 and 18, Gammas, the humans and Buu... Buu proceeds to absorb all of them, just right before all the fusions transform into there most powerful forms and the individual fighters at full power (Ultra Form, Ssj3, Ultimate Legendary Super Saiyan or smth, Orange Form), and the humans.... they use the dragon balls to fuse roshi, yamcha, tien, and krillin into 1 fighter and released all there potential into 1 fighter... and all then become one with Buu... Buu then fights Frieza at full power, causing an extreme clash. How it go?
yeah but yajirobe is more about food and drink chouzu at least put in the effor roshi had goku and krillen inadvertently put a fire under him and inspires him yamcha is sad lets be honest he was ignored for the tournament and frieza became an option he cant even find love he at leastdeserves a wolf wife (forget beastwoman I mean full on dr slump furry)but yeah krillen and tien are hardocre but they earn it
I think they are even stronger than that. Bc they don’t have many manga or anime feats, we use everything. At the end of z, yamcha was fighting olibu in the other world. Olibu after cell saga is a direct rival to pikkon. Pikkon soloed frieza me spc casually. We know how strong cell is. Now fast forward to the end of buu saga and we see yamcha soloing olibu, who should be much much stronger than after cell saga lvls, and 2 other fighters. He is easily beyond ssj2 from DBZ. Now scale these guys from that point with what you said about them in super and the numbers go a lot higher.
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@@chaoscateriano7170hasn’t been a fighter since the 23WT and isn’t worth covering compared to the rest here unfortunately
@@tlst94I dont know how to feel about that. It would cause some massive issues...
No
@@tlst94that's a interesting idea but Zenkais them selfs are designed to go beyond limits that is what makes Saiyans different then any other race, it makes sense for other races to have a cap but Saiyans have Zenkais and Saiyajin have no limit.
@@tlst94 Then Ki Blades, or just normal blades enhanced with Ki, become the way forward for attacks due to dealing more effective damage than a punch or blast, as well as being focused on a thin edge.
Big energy avatars like Goku did in the manga become the best defense due to putting something between you and the enemy.
Things like Multiform, Yardrat Multiplication, and Super Ghost Kamizake would become insane OP by allowing you to technically bypass the cap by having multiple people with the same power do the same thing at the same time, stacking all of it together.
Instant Transmission and the Kai Kai would be legendary skills that would be even more worth learning.
Ultra Ego would be worthless compared to just using Destruction energy normally, and Ultra Instinct would be an even more valuable
The fact that Roshi likely solos all of Z without breaking a sweat shows how absurd Super's scaling is :/
scaling isn't supposed to make sense in DBS.
manga current krillin is ironically stronger than golden frieza rof saga.
@@omnijonn277nah. Anime characters>manga characters
@@omnijonn277With Krillin it is less surprising though, since he has consistently been a secondary character who shows up at least a few times in every arc that ends up on Earth. He's not in the "main cast" of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, and Bulma, but he is still a frequent appearance as a secondary character to deal with whatever fodder that an enemy brings, and his techniques have been consistently relevant in every arc, even if he isn't present.
I hate how people cherrypick stuff… you act as if roshi in z likely would do the same to og db. Stop pretending like dragonball didn’t always make huge leaps between time periods to shit on super
if they can surpass Raditz in the Saiyan Saga, they could have given Cell Juniors a real problem had they trained with Goku or just together.
Too bad they focused so much on the super saiyans.
@@kapayasiame3632 Yeah. Dbs should be called, Dragon Ball Saiyan. Because this is what that's all about now.
@@BlueRainbowSky66maybe at first it was all Saiyans, but recently they've been giving the others some shine. The TOP, Moro arc, and superhero all gave the non Saiyan characters some good moments. Obviously the Saiyans took up a lot of screen time, but it was like that in Z to. I think super is definitely correcting itself.
@@ojpickle5923 Maybe, but the only difference is that in Z, the None Saiyan were more involved in Battles. And while it's true that Gohan and Piccolo got their time in Super Hero, the same thing can't be said for the Humans. In the ToP, they were the first one to be eliminated. And it was worse in the Manga. They lose right after the beginning of the Tournament. If they did the same thing as the Moro Saga, then it would have being great.
@@kapayasiame3632 If they trained with Goku during the 3 year skip, it'd be fruitful.
the humans are basically lost potential. legitimately, if taking use of more of king Kai’s training, kaioken, mystic, and doing gravity/more training, no breaks, we could literally see them at Vegito levels with the use of tiencha, during the start of super(Vegito levels referring to the Vegito in the BUU saga, mind you)
They won't get their Potential Unlocked by thr Elder Kai in thr actual series, if they did though then they would be pretty relative, at least able to rival Gohan before he got his Potential Unleashed.
I don't think we'd see quite Vegito (noting even that you mean Z Vegito rather than super because yeah SSB makes that unfair), but Vegito has the ability to transform into super saiyan. Even conceding that with all of that training the humans could have been equal to saiyans in their base forms, and therefore a fusion of them could be equivalent, Super Vegito would probably outscale them because perfected Super saiyan is kind of insane. Not to mention that the way saiyans grow during fights (including Vegito presumedly, although he's never actually been in a position to grow in a fight because he's vastly outmatched every opponent he's been up against), to at the very least a much higher degree than humans do, I think Vegito would still be stronger.
@@calebcamp2458 mystic is a directly higher multiplier, combined with kaioken, and fusion of the humans(who in this scenario are relative), combined with fusion multiplier, they are definitely stronger. base vs base, Vegito wins, but with transformations Tiencha wins
Well ssg god goku is stronger than vegito in z. Goku ultimately surpassed that power when the SSG was infused into him. So in the most recent chapters the humans scale to that gokus ssj level maybe even ssj2 which would destroy vegito in z. The humans in super now can solo eveyrbody in z easily
@calebcamp2458 The humans have likely already reached that level. Tien and krillin should be able to bully super buu like vegito did
I think it's insane that Roshi with Yardrat and Whis training would probably be one of the strongest in the multiverse. Roshi is pretty strong with what he has, but he's never really had any crazy techniques or masters to push him. He'd probably master ultra instinct and spirit control really quickly, giving him absurd power beyond what would previously be imaginable. Goku is lucky that Roshi didn't decide to train under the same people as him.
You should watch Salad’s What if Roshi wished for youth, where he becomes young, gets rid of his perversion, rocks a cool orange gi & does exactly what you said & ends up becoming Kami & learning ultra instinct
@@WeezytecktonikYoung Roshi =Absolutely cracked
I disagree. Roshi has plenty of crazy techniques.
Do you think the humans should have learned the Kaioken or Spirit Bomb since they trained with King Kai, besides Krillin and Roshi.
Absolutely
100% yes
@@MonkeBrain07Bumblebee Buuuuuuyyyyyyy*
this is kind of fan theory territory but in the android saga piccolo states that they all learned to amplify their base power in short intense bursts, possibly meaning that the non ssj fighters are all using some refined version of the kaioken and multiplying their power to some extent
Yeah it’s a great path to power.
I like the thought of one of the humans going back in time to the day of the Cell games, switching spots with their past self and blowing everyone's mind by casually one shotting Cell with zero effort. Vegeta would have a brain aneurysm
Okay thats awesome but like imagine if they did the same to kill Buuhan in the Buu saga would be hilarious
@@mouse3872true!😂
I can’t believe that you didn’t even mention the World Champion, Mr. Satan!
It would be hilarious if he had been taught ki control before Super.
I think the reason why Yajorobie doesn't fight anymore is because all of the non-fighters crucified him to the stone ages after the Saiyan Saga fight for calling him a coward when he was crawling around in the background, behind rocks, waiting for the opportunity to cut off Vegeta's tail.
I don't remember that in the anime or manga
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki When they were watching the fight using the TV News and Baba's crystal ball at Roshi's house. And then again at the hospital.
@@MistahFluffay can you mention the episodes of the series that those scenes are from.
How the fuck are the non-fighters going to say shit when Yajirobie is literally the reason why Vegeta lost...
If Yajorobie wasn't there Earth probably would've gotten destroyed.
Besides, I'd like them try and do what Yajirobie did before they run their stupid mouths.
The idea of Yamcha being stronger than Roshi is insane in super
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Love the videos keep it up 👍
The Earthlings should have learned the Kaioken and the Genki-dama as well as a basic understanding of Ultra Instinct
Their can't learn Kaioken and spirit bomb these techniques are not that easy to learn and their did have a opportunity to learn from king kai when they all died but they didn't learn it and that means they can't learn it
good stuff dude! love to see u doing the discussion videos
1:01 Damn he could fight radiz evenly!!😂
I’m so happy for Yamcha😄!!
Everyone thinks that Yamcha is the weakest human in the entire DB Franchise.
But after hearing what you said in this video, yamcha is actually pretty strong.
Yamcha as strong as SS2 level Goku, post ToP and Broly movie?! That is Absolutely awesome 🤩!!
Yamcha will be very overjoyed to hear that Salad Saiyan.
bro this yamcha is no diffing the level pf beerus that fought god goku bare minimue at best yamcha gonna throw hands with black.
@@saadabdullah5786 Wait really?’
Yamcha throw hands with Goku Black?!
That’s even more awesome 🤩!!
@@saadabdullah5786Imma be real with you, Yamcha ain't touching Goku Black. I like Yamcha, and feel like he's pretty underrated, but he ain't touching Goku Black. Maybe base and even SS(manga), but not SSR in the manga much less the anime.
I think chi chi reasonably scales above yajirobe and chaiotzu considering she took a full power hit from ssj goten without much difficulty
Hey there Salad I was wondering if you can scale your what if characters(like Ruta,Evil Goku, Survived Bardock, Biker Raditz,Good Cooler , Turles, and Vegeta,etc not like a tier list but like a disscussion video like this one
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The Gohan katchin thing is kinda wrong. The Kai's threw the block to test the sharpness/durability of the sword. If Gohan knew about infusing ki into his sword, doing it here would defeat the purpose of testing the sword itself. And if he did infuse the sword with ki, it would either slice through the katchin, not manage to break, or like you said Gohan isn't strong enough and it still broke. Even though Gohan base still wasn't strong enough, infusing his sword with ki still would have defeated the purpose of the test even if the outcome was the same.
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To quote Abridged Vegeta: Power levels are bullshit!
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I hope this gets seen but what if bardock didn’t marry gine and ended up having a child with Muezli making Goku a half ceruluin? I don’t know how possible this scenario it is I just came up with it tho. Also noice vid
I saw some clips where yamcha was fighting with Hit in dragon ball Heroes that aside send the humans back in time they might straight up solo every one up to a certain point
if they all trained together and kept doing different training, they would be stronger, heck if yamcha worked from a lower level, he would've been able to doing more gravity training in the android saga.
Shoulda had Professor Deathknight help with the video. Would love to have commentary from a professor about what he sponsors for once.
W video (waiting for bardock ssj new part)
Jokes on you,Yajirobe is stronger then Black Frieza
How!!!!!!!????
I have even more respect for Yamcha now
Glad that Yamcha won’t just be known as the “Died to the Saibaman” character. I hope the anime doesn’t mess this moment up!
What if the humans were enslaved instead of the saiyans?
Lowkey this would be crazy, the Humans being the war mongering brutes slaughtering planets while the Saiyans try to fight against them.
We need a new guide. Because even as you're explaining it, it's still confusing to me. Like, are Roshi and the humans able to fodderize the Cell and Kid Buu now? Or are we greatly overestimating Goku's power?
I'm just glad something involving Yurin was mentioned, she is pretty neat, I like her personality and she can can possess people and she does know martial arts although some think she doesn't when she definitely does. Yurin and Annin are to of my favorite filler characters.
i had a stroke reading this
Heh. If nothing else, she might be able to give, say, Tien a super mode.
@@DanielMWJ that would be neat and would make sense considering she is a former crane school student and is probably staying at his dojo.
If your verse is One Piece, Naruto, Bleach then the humans could potentially solo the verse
Good video, great arguments and research. But I just can't fathom what that means, though. It's hard to imagine roshi at full power is 50x stronger than goku at base, let alone krillin being over 400x. It may be true, but then Goku needs to step it up and stop relying on transformations so much
I love the human fighters a lot. I don't care how much the show wants to focus on the Saiyans and to value just them. Hell NO! F that! Tenshinhan and Chaozu are my #1 favorites in the franchise. The humans and Piccoro Jr. has been nerfed constantly when in fact each of them can destroy a planet with ease. The strongest is of course Oob and the weakest is Yajirobe (yes I count him in). Let us not forget that Chaozu trained with K. Kai and improved dramatically. Common BP I see for him at the start of the androids saga is 750,000 and even a 1,000,000 is not out of the question. In DBS he is of course stronger because he kept on training he is devoted. I think the ROSAT would have helped the humans a lot if they used it. For me Tenshinhan is always above Kuririn.
Day 29 asking for What If Salad was a different race
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What if salad was namekian? Yardiantian?
Waht
@@SaladSaiyan
I think he means in your “What if Salad was in DB?”
Instead of an android, something like a Sayian, Human, Namekian etc.
I mean if you do remember krillin did get his potential unlocked and tien didn't it
Yamcha at post Broly movie SSJ2 Goku is a very respectable level of power.
i still think the reason why krillin is still the strongest human was beause of his unlocked potential causing him to grow better in a short about of time compared to the other human fighters
How did the humans grow so fast and are able to somewhat keep up with Goku after he got god ki and godly training. The humans were so far behind the saiyans before the battle of gods that they were amazed by the super saiyan transformations during DBZ and were extremely put powered. Does this mean that the humans found a better training method on earth than getting god ki and godly training? I understand that Goku was weakened but it still doesn't make sense that humans are increasing their base at a faster rate on earth without godly training than saiyans are while having acess to god ki and being trained by gods.
This is just a rant not really trying to start a debate
Toei legitimately doesn't care if it doesn't make sense, they're not making Xenoverse fanfiction to be realistic, they're making it for money.
That’s the thing in DBS. Characters got powered up by the plot😑. That’s the problem with focusing so much on the saiyans.
Rise to the Occasion.
Whenever you're striving against a much stronger threat, you grow faster.
Unless you're too intimidated or demoralized, weakening your fighting spirit.
They were all much weaker than Raditz at the beginning of the Saiyan Saga, but multiple times stronger than him (except Chiaotsu) by its end.
That means they'd all be striving against super saiyans, meaning they should be much stronger than base form saiyans.
Bc they originally never absorbed God ki (that happened only in the movie and anime)
how is a saiyan that trained with gods for 5 years is weaker than base roshi while the saiyan has a 50x multiplier
My only quote on this is you cannot say humans are ssj2/1/3 goku or vegeta level
Because ssj is just a multiplier of strength as faar as i know
If goku was weakened by moro's magic and lets say there current power level is 1m then ssj3 goku is just 400mil which is waay weaker than even semi perfect cell just to defend themselves at the time they might have used ssj(multipliers) to fight to live and not to win at the situation they were in if you have read the managa (when moro attacked namek) so goku can be anywhere from 1- infinity while he was fighting goons from prison
Neither way the video was great and kachin point was extraordinary
we need to see new technique(s) or get something the earthlings can use (that's no kaio ken) that can hold up (at least) to super saiyan. This can be a filler arc in the anime or an arc in the manga krillin, tien, yamcha, or roshi can learn while in other world as a resource or from some other planet or universe
I can’t believe UA-cam charging me $20 a month and I STILL have to watch these in video ads
In the anime, No Ego Zone was ridiculously strong and it vanishing after that one episode was a shame.
In the Forest of Terror, Goku said he would need his "full power" (at least Blue if we don't count KK) to break free from the fake Super Shenron's hold, and didn't even bother trying just God instead, implying it wouldn't be enough.
Then Krillin achieves No Ego Zone and hits Super Shenron hard enough to damage it and make it drop Goku, implying that at the very least it is a little above Super Saiyan God Goku of that point in time.
Which yes would make that version of Krillin be Universe Level
Is this an entirely made up fanfiction cause it never happened in any episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, GT or Super. I don't even remember anything like that happening in Xenoverse and those games have literally everything.
And buddy, Universe level has been and gone by this point, Goku has Low Multiversal level feats by the end of Super alone and thr Manga up to thr Granolah arc has a Goku that's literally Thousands of times more powerful than the one at the end of Super. Goku is quite possibly Billions of times Universal in just SSJB alone.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki The anime(dbs) itself is fanfiction
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki So you not only completely failed to understand that I was talking about an episode of the anime, you also somehow failed to understand that I was talking about Krillin instead of Goku.
Well done, that is actually impressively bad reading comprehension.
Roshi definitely knows UI.
💀no
Hell no
He lacks the god ki component to achieve it in truth. If he did acquire god ki, though...
@@DanielMWJ you don't need God Ki to use Ultra Instinct but a God infused body definitely helps a lot with the durability and focus needed to maintain it.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki If it wasn't the case that you needed god ki, then why the rigamarole of featuring Roshi's totally-not-ultra-instinct abilities during the TOP?
Hey salad, ive been watching dbz lately and realized something. Goku kind of provokes frieza when he gives him energy and flies off. He speaks about how there is no point in fighting him anymore, this infuriates frieza because he thinks hes being mocked. What if goku did not do this? What if instead he accepts what frieza tells him. He is most likely going to die, he responds, accepting this "fate" surprising frieza, however also intriguing him glad that a saiyan can realize his impending doom. Frieza would then fly off into space, I don't know what else you would do with this going forward or what the series would be. But i kind of want to see frieza realize what goku was trying to teach him. Understand that life is precious. That's really it. You can make a full series if you have enough material, or a what if mini if you can't think of much.
Everyone spam thisssss:
*_What is Yajirobe trained?_*
Indeed, to say that the earthlings are weak is quite an understatement. You talked about Super feats here, but when you look back in Z. Even Kakarot during the Trunks saga/Metal Frieza & Cold fight places Yamcha & Tien respectively at "between 13000 - 30000" and Tienshinhan even in the 100K+ range I believe. Not to mention Krillin, who (while indeed potential unlocked) had a confirmed 78 000 during the Frieza fight.
While these numbers may just sound like regular digits. Remember that Vegeta & Nappa weren't even remotely this strong until the former getting zenkais. Meaning that in maybe two years of training (not to mention Yamcha actually likely slacking off). The earthlings already surpassed the Saiyans that easily. Which really makes you realize how underutilized they actually are.
You didnt include krillins filler transformation selflessness state. Which is what i wanted to see
Salad, i love your videos, but you can't be more wrong than this video.
To explain myself, at the end of the namek saga the power level of base goku was 3,000,000, krillin's power level was 36,000, since then goku had been training with gods, and krillin had not been training in half of the time, so you can't even say that base goku is weaker than krillin.
How is this different from the members exclusive vid? Other than being 12 days early
5:47 so theoretically, could you channel your ki into a grenade
Legend has it that if you ask Salad Saiyan politely, he'll pin your comment. Unless he already has a pinned comment.
I dream of sending Krillin back to the early Z part days. Just to see a bald dwarf clap the most dangerous beings of the universe with ease. It'd be incredible
W fricking video
Please do more informative videos like this, not only "What If"s
How awesome would it be if every Z fighter had the same Base Power level
Hey can you do what if goku sealed Zamasu
If Roshi wished to be in his prime again he’d easily be on par with mui goku
Day 83 of asking for "what if goku was born as smart as Bulma"
What if gine survived instead of goku
Now powerscale everyone in SDBH.
That's basically impossible for Salad since he isn't a powerscaler plus he doesn't know about Hyperversal and Outerversal level stuff so he wouldn't even give an accurate scale anyways.
i've seen the saiyan saga z been scalled to small star level
wow thats one mighty space duck
Honestly I wish power levels kinda came back again. I don't know, but maybe bulma could make a scouter that could calculate 1 million or billion power levels back to single digits like 1. So like a power level of 100ccs (capcule corp scouter) could mean a 100 million or 100 billion power level. And power gaps can be better estimated again instead of getting confused with big numbers.
Use scientific notation
@@makssachs8914 what do you mean by that?
@@markvlogs1758 instead of 3 million you can write 3.0*10^6 for example. This notation makes it easier to write really large numbers.
@@makssachs8914 yeah, but i know for a fact that most dragon ball fans won't really like it. Plus, you think goku would understand math without being explained everytime? My version is simpler in a different way as well as bulma not really being shown to be a mathematician and more like a scientific engineer.
im not getting raid sorry but still w vid
W salad
Ngl i do wish yamcha and tien were stronger than krillin
What if earthlings got their potential unlocked? Piccolo has a different form when using ultimate, could humans get a slight difference for a form?
No, Piccolo used the Dragon Balls to force his potential put and Shenron also gave him the Orange form. Piccolo got Two transformations in that movie, Awakened Potential and Orange. If the Hunans did the same thing then they'd literally get thr exact same transformation as Gohan because it's literally just their potential being unleashed which is the transformation.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Kinda, since the movie seemed to imply that alot of other species could turn super saiyan with the ants.
@@somethingwithultra7231 I think you replied to the wrong comment since I never even mentioned SSJ or the ants that can go SSJ.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki No, I assumed that they golden ants were an indicator that other species could go gold as well.
@@somethingwithultra7231 I still think you replied to the wrong comment since I still never mentioned either of those things.
Also the ants going SSJ isn't an indication that anything can go SSJ, no it's an indicator that ants have adapted some Saiyan DNA as Gohan described it and can use a small transformation.
You can scale krillin to multiversal because he survived goku super saiyen blue punch which shockwaves could destroy a universe in the past
@saladSaiyan this might be a dumb idea but what about a what if where goku and or vegeta locked in time chamber with they wives?? of course with bulma you gotta figure out how to include her technology with her. maybe she had some capsules in her coat and they got everything they could ever need and even have a kid who is a beast and whooping ass when they get out starting with they sibblings such as goten trunks and gohan. its just a dumb idea and this comment might never get read but its a nice thought.
It's amazing to think how many anime verses Yamcha can solo.
Yeah he basically solos anyone below Galaxy lvl
Yo salad, you should do a what if about a random low class warrior getting sent to earth and you can create a new saiyan which will be 😎
He most likely won't be creating random Saiyan ocs
That is a terrible idea
Day 1 of asking what if goku was raised by the ox king
6:52 Well the thing is I thought final form 100% Frieza on Namek was Star level and all the Krillin, Tien and Yamcah as well as now Roshi have surpassed that level.
Hercule vs Yajirobe
Hercrule has a pl of 120
How about a what if Goku were a Android or what if Vegeta becomes Majin Buu
“Yamcha’s so weak” say the people whose most powerful weapons would bounce harmlessly off Yamcha like a nerf bullet
Gohan after he gets his power drawn out the right way. Im stoked to see what is awaiting for us in kakumai
Yajirobi was the strongest human in the Future Trunks timeline? By default?
PLS, can you finish "What if Shallot was cannon"
purple cell
DB's Earthlings Are Stronger Than You Think
Stop calling us Earthlings, alien scum! We are not children to be demeaned so!
If base post BoG goku is universal, i dont think its unreasonable to put the earthlings there too
What if Tarble was sent to earth Attempt #5
So where would uub rank?
Day 7 of asking for what if saitama was in db or one punch man was mixed with db
Krillen is 400x stonger than goku 💀💀💀🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
what if the Saiyan's drain was from there base? then your got them OP. they are just human there Kei control and tac is there power, think of the green lantern.
Using the Katchin as any form of scaling is a fucking joke lol. Gohan, Goku, Shin, and Kibito all had faith in the sword itself being able to cut through the Katchin. Not a powered up Gohan using the sword, just a base Gohan (that's also suppressed since he's not fighting anyone at that moment and in both anime and manga we don't see any aura coming off him). They believe the sword wouldn't get damaged but they were wrong. There's no indication that Katchin > Gohan when they were solely relying on the Z sword to be able to cut through it.
I always viewed Tien as stronger than Krillan since Krillan was never good at keeping up his training especially after he got married while Tien was constantly traveling the planet and training before settling down and starting that new crane school or whatever he called it
EXACTLY
Can we get a what if we’re goku one punch everybody including Zeno ❤❤❤😂😂😂😂
I just want a 1 spin off episode where everyone prepares to fight Black Frieza, how I see it:
Everyone trains for him to strike again, Frieza laughs confronting all of them, he sees a Gogeta, Gotenks, Brohan (Potara fusion of Broly and Gohan), Piccolo who absorbed the rest of the namekians while training them, Android 17 and 18, Gammas, the humans and Buu...
Buu proceeds to absorb all of them, just right before all the fusions transform into there most powerful forms and the individual fighters at full power (Ultra Form, Ssj3, Ultimate Legendary Super Saiyan or smth, Orange Form), and the humans.... they use the dragon balls to fuse roshi, yamcha, tien, and krillin into 1 fighter and released all there potential into 1 fighter... and all then become one with Buu...
Buu then fights Frieza at full power, causing an extreme clash.
How it go?
the gammas are pretty fodder right now..
@@Pxntilum haven't been updated too much but black frieza is really op
The universe crashes and must be rebooted.
Didn’t krillin tank cell max attack
Day 10 of asking for what is beauteous was a Z fighter back
yeah but yajirobe is more about food and drink chouzu at least put in the effor roshi had goku and krillen inadvertently put a fire under him and inspires him yamcha is sad lets be honest he was ignored for the tournament and frieza became an option he cant even find love he at leastdeserves a wolf wife (forget beastwoman I mean full on dr slump furry)but yeah krillen and tien are hardocre but they earn it
I think they are even stronger than that. Bc they don’t have many manga or anime feats, we use everything. At the end of z, yamcha was fighting olibu in the other world. Olibu after cell saga is a direct rival to pikkon. Pikkon soloed frieza me spc casually. We know how strong cell is. Now fast forward to the end of buu saga and we see yamcha soloing olibu, who should be much much stronger than after cell saga lvls, and 2 other fighters. He is easily beyond ssj2 from DBZ. Now scale these guys from that point with what you said about them in super and the numbers go a lot higher.