How to check your own horse's sore back with Christian Langeder.
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2012
- Ever wondered what the sore points on your horse's back were. Here is a video that helps you check your horse's back and know what the points mean. knowing how to assess means to can either treat your own horse or know if the therapist that did was successful. But most importantly it brings you closer to understanding your horse.
My name is Christian Langeder from thoroughperformance.com . I am an equine soft tissue therapist specialising in the physical care of performance horses. I have been treating animals since 1999.I work with horses in all manner of sport including Racing, Eventing, Dressage and Polo.
After treating horses for many years I realised that not many owners knew if their horses were sore, they only knew that they felt "off". When speaking to my veterinary colleagues and trainers I found that they also weren't clear on how to simply assess a treatable soft tissue injury or restriction. I would like to share some of these with you in this video series.
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I somehow love those older videos. The calmness of the explanations, the guitar intro and the camera work are great. Thanks for helping these horses!
I'm glad I could help, it's only when we know what is going on that we can fix the issue. The aim of all these videos is to help people diagnose problems so they can make a educated decision on treatment. Ta Christian
This guy is very good and thankfully; the owner of this mare found him. I have lost a lot of faith in our vet's these days.
You"re kind, I loved this mare!
C
PS- This horse really enjoys your pets and head rubs. What a good girl!
I've just been through a bit of this with the horse I ride. Now I have an even better understanding of what is happening.
Really appreciate you sharing your experience and insights with us.
thanks, more coming soon!!
Thank you for taking the time to share this knowledge!
welcome!!
I'm a massage therapist for people but I've always wanted to get certified for horses. This video really helped me with my boy and I'm so thankful
Hi , thanks, I’m glad I was able to help.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Thanks, more coming very soon!!
Beautiful horse and rider ❤️
Thanks guys, Mayfly is definitely one of my favourites.
What is a reaction are show of pain? A twitch a bend?
nice work Christian!
thanks mate!
the faces that the horse is pulling in this video makes her remind me of one of those naughty kids in a class that pull faces at the other kids when the teacher is talking to distract them and make them laugh haha, she's lovely
thanks I hope its helpful. Christian.
yes you can, there are also hand held units available, or you can find a therapist but now you know how to check before and after to see if they have been successful.
What's the hand held unit? My horse is sore especially pelvis points
Thank you this was interesting. My haflinger is so wide she is very hard to fit saddles to, she wouldn't let me get on yesterday and I've managed to work out that she seems sore on trapezius on the right side mainly, but I'll see if there is anywhere else and I guess I'll need to get someone out to help! I think it's really important to try and learn about these things ourselves.
gut could be a consideration
My grandfather could really use your help if you were ever in Austin!
Have him look at my website langederequine.com.au there’s diagnostic education there to help as many people as possible. Cheers C
So does the soreness behind the withers comes from just workouts or saddle issues? Reason I’m asking is that I have been riding in a brand new saddle for the past 2 weeks and my massage therapist found knots behind the withers and thinks it could be from the saddle 🤔
hi Melody, no I don't I have studied many different Australian based therapies and also created a lot of my own methods. It's been 14 years of adaptation. I will be selling modules on how to assess soreness on my web site next year. they will start with the 11 reaction points of the back and what that means along with an anatomical poster. Will happen soon.
Oh you are so funny! must have taken all your brain cells to come up with that.... you have a platform to make a comment that all the world could read and that's what you came up with. Inspirational!! Well Done!
Love your work- once you’ve identified to muscle concerned what advice couldn’t oh give in how to relieve it? Thank you!
you can just massage or rub the area, there are now also plenty of massage devices, most of them are going to help.
Hi,I have a Show Horse - Vet has done X-Rays all over and he has "mild arthritis" alone his back and also in both this hocks, plus to make things worst he is cold back. I use to have his back injected, but now I only have both his Hocks done- AS my vet said there is no great need to do his back as its a secondary thing to his hocks- hocks are the main form of issue. my horse is sore- running my finger down along his back and on both side of the rump. I use to get a chiro- but they no longer live in Cairns QLD. I got him massaged once and was told he is very sore ect. I now have an equissage machine - when I was using it every night for a 2 weeks period - I still found he was still cower down when I ran finger down his back and over his rump. I was using the main machine on him- and using the handheld over his rump- for the same period time till the main machine stop after 20 minutes, can you help me with ways to fix his issue as we don't have people come out and do for us.thank you kindly
the rump is either the sacrum, medial glutes or the biceps femorus. all can be treated with a machine. but maybe supplement for the hocks too.
sorry about the late reply, Ive been unwell but I'm back now.
C
Hi Chrisian! Do you offer classes? Where did you study? This is such a kind thing to learn to do!
I don't im sorry but I'm just about to start teaching about diagnostics for owners
C
She's so beautiful
Thanks!
C
What do you do if your horse has a loin issue such as cinchy?
she's like "I'm bored. I'm gonna eat this lead rope... I'm gonna nap...."
yup...right?
is that poster available? I work in a therapy barn and it would probably be helpful for us to have a poster like that around.
Hi, the poster is part of the diagnosis pack. Ta Christian
Lol, typical mare, lifts her tail when you run around her butt. Lol Very nice video. I'll surely use this! And it is so cool how you pinpointed those muscles.
what kind of reaction will we be looking for if we hit a sore spot on their back?
My horse flinches when I hit sore spots.
any type of dipping , or flinching.
C
Hi Christian I have TB at approx. 15.2 h and 7 years old. He was to be a track horse (galloper) but never raced. He really wasn't cared for for the 3 yrs prior to our purchase. He has a deep dip on the spine where it meets the hips/pelvis, which is an obvious problem. He 'clicks' when he walks quite loudly, which could be his stifle?? Before taking him over, we were told when he reaches a canter he tries to throw his rider? Obviously hurts him to be ridden so we have spelled him, improved the quality of his feed and fed him right up over winter, put him in a better/drier paddock and all of my research keeps pointing me in the direction of massage/holistic therapy. Please tell me am I barking up the wrong tree? Could his groin/pelvis problems be stemming from his forequarters? There is muscle spasm in neck also. And, could the injury be skeletal aswell as soft tissue?
sorry for the 5 years of waiting but that dip before the pelvis is natural structure but shows up in a thin horse. there are way to many things going on here to answer in one question.
sorry again for the 5 year wait.
Hello Christian, I have a 13 year old horse he is a 1/2 quarter and thoroughbred. I've had him for almost 4 year as dressage horse. Since I bought him he has always stumble with his front legs once in a while but now it seems that I cannot ride him anymore because is not safe if he trips at the canter. We have checked his hoofs with x-ray and there is nothing wrong. After seen these videos I feel like if have hope that maybe he is sore somewhere in his back. Would you recommend checking a specific area and how?
I would be looking at the tricep, deep pectorals and the deep digital flexor muscles in the forearm. feel free to contact me privately on info@thoroughperformance.com C.
maybe the soreness is caused by the rider making the horses neck bend so far down... what happened to us just enjoying the horse for its beauty naturally instead of just for our sake of looking pretty. It's ruining horses and more than likely painful. Would the rider like for her neck to be pinned that way and asked to like it???
I hate that people tie there horses necks down
I've seen some almost keep it between the horses legs
And I find that bits a cruel
If were going to ride horses we should at least try to be kind to them
Let horses be horses
IF the horse is broken at the vertebra, they would be disqualified in a lot of shows. Typically, if your horse is moving the hind end properly and stretching and working throughout the back, that headset DOES come naturally and is a good thing. It's building proper muscle, and the rider is not forcing them into it. So just because you see a horses head in frame, does not necessarily mean its being pushed into a painful position.
Most riders not do it to be pretty.Putting their neck down is part of them collecting and using their back properly.
I'm not here to judge the horse nor the rider, I'm just showing disfunction and how to understand it.
How do you treat pain in the loin and up near the 3 point on the wither?
You can treat the wither by massage or by most hand held units. The loin you’d have to look at my video which shows a shows sorr hamstrings in a polo pony.
Ta C
Hello Christian, I love your videos and how detailed you are and also how you explain not only where the muscle tightness is but the function of the muscles. I have 2 different certifications in equine sports massage therapy - the 2nd one I just earned also focused on equine and rider biomechanics. At the end of this video I was watching Sylvia ride and although very good riding, I couldn't help but notice that her upper torso was somewhat unbalanced looking like it was being thrown back as well as some tension in her shoulders which translates right to her horse's body - just wondering what your thoughts are
no not dismissive at all - I really appreciate your professional opinion and thank you for getting back to me so quickly!
Welcome 😊 there are so many different ways of looking at dysfunction, my “Reaction Points” version is just another way, I try to keep variations as simple as possible. It works better in my brain that way. 😁
So how do you fix this soreness? Do you massage the area?
yup. massage, machines or creams
C
so what you are saying is that when the horse has any pain it will show it, by dipping or moving, but isn't that just a reflex ..? because I've heard that it's a good sign when the bag dips and the back bends sideways when touching where you do, and that it's a bad sign when they don't do it.??
What I am showing is that there are different types of issues in the back. When you get a reaction "point" that corresponds with any of my points, I am showing you which muscles are involved and need to be treated. Muscular issues in the back will always react as a point and will always correspond to one of my 11 points. If they don't, you have a different issue such as saddle, ligament, kissing spine, SI joint or pelvis. I will be filming how to assess those issues soon. However 80% of soreness is superficial muscular and therefore can be diagnosed in this way. C A healthy pain free back does not react when palpated.
Christian,
Where are you located? I am having a Vet come out Tuesday this week to take blood from my mare. We have done chiropractor, acupuncture, muscle treatment and nothing seems to be helping her. She is extremely stiff in her shoulders. She cant go down a slight slanted hill. She will stand up, bump her butt up, shake her head, and just the other day turned around and went down the hill in reverse. I have never seen this before. She is only 6 years old. Any ideas??? Thanks!
not going downhill ... I'd be getting a vet to check thefront feet, or front muscular.
C
Food for thought....if the horse was correctly trained dressage in the first place ...theoretically there shoud be no lameness issues...?
it depends on weather they're being worked properly, stresses in the stable or paddock. things happen and as we know, horses injure themselves.. riders aren't perfect either.
C
Is this stress or trigger point therapy?
No, but I’m sure there are similarities
True horsekrazy2002
PLEASE TURN THE MUSIC DOWN.
sorry Beau :-I
This horse tho😂
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