Hi Stephen - it's been a long time! I remember the name, and your face, though I don't remember much about you. I wonder if you are still in contact with any others from our year? Stupid question, but out of interest, what did you do in your life? :-) Glad you liked the video - I'm really glad I managed to capture what I did. I bet Goodwin remembers you. He has remained in contact with Martyn Smithers and Andy Gardner as well as myself, but the other member of our gang, John Varley, mysteriously disappeared long ago.
Fabulous beautifully done i didn't go to this school as a pupil as i was one of the second year intakes at Moorway Lane though i did visit on a few occasions as my older brother was there, certainly bought back memories when the shot of the masters came up some of whom i remember very well . thank you i really enjoyed it
Thank you for posting this charming little film. The house (St Helen's) was built in about 1766 by Joseph Pickford for my ancestor John Gisborne. I've always wanted to see inside it.
Beautifully shot with a perfect blend of music and dialogue to evoke a real sense of this building's history. What sort of development is being planned? Will the interior be preserved? It's always such a shame when cherished buildings are altered, but I suppose life goes on and the changes can be made with sensitivity if the will is there. A very fascinating glimpse here of what once was.
Taught my French students there in the 70s then ran courses there for teachers in 1980s - fond memories and shame it is no longer used for educational purposes.
Interesting. Derby School moved from there soon after I left in 1965, so in what capacity did you teach French there? What took over between the school I knew and the teacher training? Yes, it is a shame it's no longer used for education of some sort, or even as a museum (as a fan of Erasmus Darwin and the Lunar Society I'd have it as a museum of the midlands scientific enlightenment). Housing accountants is not an appropriate use to my mind. Funny that it was deemed too dangerous for us to carry on there, because of the danger of falling masonry, yet it seems to have continued in occupation after we left!
@@lindosland I taught French students to speak English whilst doing my B.Ed at Bishop Lonsdale College. 1974-78. It was used in the 80s as a Teacher's Centre - a venue for various courses occasionally organised by teachers (when it was a proper profession). I have fond memories of my French students raising the tricolour, on Bastille Day, and singing the Marseilles ... Jim Regan, the Warden, raced our proclaiming that we don't even raise the Union Jack and helping us to lower it quickly.
Was it 1967 a boy from St Mary's and a Derby school chap had a face off at Derby market place after school. I remember all the pupil's on the market place.
A wonderful and compelling piece. I was unlucky enough to miss the House. As a seccy at the brand new Moorway Lane in 1966 the masters are familiar enough to me. We were also bussed to Parker's Piece for games as the fields around the new school were unusable for the entire first year in Littleover. I didn't get to see inside St Helen's, though, and thoroughly appreciate this film. Thank you.
So pleased that you appreciated it! As you will have gathered, those science teachers, especially Allit and 'Bronco' Lane, inspired us. Looking back, we were there just at the time when science was able to stand its ground against the old attitudes of a classical education. I always knew I was going into electronics, but after ten years at BT Research and then another twenty or so founding Lindos Electronics I turned to trying to understand the big questions - evolution, genetics, psychology with fond memories of those days that inspired my curiosity. I believe Allitt died, but I'd be interested in stories of other masters - are any I knew still alive I wonder?
I suspect they are all gone now. (Except Arnott , and probably Rudge and Steggles). They were certainly a breed apart and I, too, feel privileged to have been taught by some of them at Moorway Lane. Allit tried to overturn my appointment to Grimes House Captain. He was not appreciative of long hair nor my out of school activities. Nevertheless I found his classes interesting ... even to a music and art orientated lad.
Thanks, the building is now finished and about to be occupied as offices by a well known firm of accountants. It's exactly as it was, so although I don't regard the use as particularly fitting to an old stately home, I can see that it beats the previous plan for a 'boutique hotel', which would have involved partitioning and installing lots of en-suite bathrooms. St Helens House must have stood in large grounds once, yet was hemmed in by houses when I was there, without even a playing field!
Ah! Real memories I was one of Phill Towers 13 plus imigrants from the secondary modern school intake. Love to see in the old chapel, that's where I first played an organ!, and in B Block Assembly hall a grand piano, when the elite wasn't watching!
+My video Clips What year? What sec mod? We were 1960 to 65 from Rykneld. I remember being impressed on hearing the organ in the chapel from time to time. Great that Dave G was able to play the original grand piano - and despite dodgy notes it still matched pretty well in pitch with the orchestral version I overlaid!
1961 to 63 ,I came from Allenton Sec Mod and joint the T Class as it was then! Yes the Chapel organ was very good and I knew it like the back of my hand!
Trying to get the old brain cells working, other people in my class I remember were,Maurice Cass,Andy Polkey,Pete Thomas, John Sparre, Richard Hagues, Geoff Carpenter, I left in June 1964 Ken
That would have been Stella Irving our only female teacher and wife of Lynden Irving, famous OD and lawyer in the town. She famously castigated my Biology set colleagues for not knowing Debussy's 'Prelude de l'apres midi d'un faune during a general studies period although I could play and analyse the piece for her later. She also very publicly turned up her nose at my career choice of dentistry and even more so at my university of Newcastle upon Tyne. What would she have made of Blackpool !?
Back in the early 60s a new English teacher, with a trendy haircut, joined the teaching staff, a certain Mr Eldred. In true Derby School tradition, a nickname was required. We struggled. Then, in an idle moment in one of his lessons, I wrote his name backwards - D-E-R-D-L-E. It caught on immediately, hastened by Eldred’s visible annoyance at this sobriquet. Shortly afterwards, the Headmaster, Leslie Bradley, retired and the new incumbent, Norman Elliott, took office. Mr Bradley was known, somewhat impertinently, as ‘Les’ but, somehow, calling Mr Elliott ‘Norm’ didn’t seem to work - we needed an alternative. Following the example of ‘Derdle’, I wrote Elliott backwards - TTOILLE. Moving the first ‘T’ to the end gave 'TOILLET’. Now, as you will recall, all toilets at the school were known as bogs, so ‘Bog Elliott’ was born. Flushed with the success of all this, I went on to invent Blind Nomination Backy Knocky, but that's another story If only I’d applied the same level of energy to my academic studies…… Terry ‘Ted’ Bracey 1960-64
Fascinating! So it was you that invented 'Derdle'. Don't remember you; did you know Dave Goodwin? Would be interested to know (briefly) what you did with your life. Did such timewasting prove to be an ongoing feature, or was creativity rewarded :-) Pete Skirrow
@@lindosland Hi Pete. To date me, I was in the upper 6th in 1963/4. I went on to get 2 A levels and a degree in Electronic Engineering and then spent over 40 years as a Broadcast Engineer working in Television, some 13 with the BBC and later as Director of Operations with Chrysalis's outside broadcast division. As for creativity, I'm a long time failed musician and songwriter but now spend my time recording people who can play and sing. See www.majoroakrecordings.co.uk
If Only, [Never to be said, with regret!] by far, my greatest gifts were in music, geography and creative writing / speaking with deep thought and humour - so I became a dental surgeon, somehow incorporating all the above. How come we never coincided at school - Thanks for your creation of Derdle and Bog - I bow to these !! and I've ended up in Blackpool
No, this was Derby School, a 'grammar' school in the era of the 'tripartite system' of education that began in England with the education act of 1944, and continued until the late sixties when it began to be dismantled in favour of 'comprehensive' education. After the 11-plus exam, pupils went to grammar, technical, or secondary modern schools. Derby school also happens to have its origins in one of the first schools in England, though in a different building.
Goodwin Here, so 300 people have viewed this now. Sorry about being so scruffy , unshaven and totally unprepared for recalling masters and accents from almost half a century ago. We were lucky to be given access to St Helens House and for Peter's Video camera having enough power following filming around where we were brought up, notably around Firs Estate and Rykneld schools. Maybe more will surface from the hours of filming around Derby !!
UPDATED SCHOOL :Hello,im currently working on the new appartment blocks and soon be working on the referb of the old school,the video was taken on 19/1/21 facebook.com/1113791220/videos/10223857442640008/ the piano is still there ; )
So you forgot your shaver, and I was too busy not falling through the floor and keeping focus to straighten your collar - I don't care, it's exploration with genuine expression; think David Attenborough as opposed to all those swaggering presenters on television! I chuckle all the more at your references to 'consumation' etc., since hearing that your sister-in-law was shocked on watching. Better get the smelling salts ready when the rest of the video does surface :-) Pete Skirrow
OMG ! I 'ope schools in Derby have 'likee' updated since 1964, when we were last taught thr.Mind you Derby High School for gals was probably more 'elitist' in those days as it had a fee paying majority of pupils. LOL .Heard that St Helens House is to be filled with accountants soon in 2013. BTW , are you in hibernation, Skirrow ? Snowing in Blackpool. P.S. Soon my piano highlights of Enigma V's and Carl Jenkins's Benedictus* will be on You Tube - - -Goodwin TTFN * B I H W C I T N O T L
A wonderful piece of nostalgia for a pupil from the same year as Dave Goodwin and Pete Skirrow.
Hi Stephen - it's been a long time! I remember the name, and your face, though I don't remember much about you. I wonder if you are still in contact with any others from our year? Stupid question, but out of interest, what did you do in your life? :-) Glad you liked the video - I'm really glad I managed to capture what I did. I bet Goodwin remembers you. He has remained in contact with Martyn Smithers and Andy Gardner as well as myself, but the other member of our gang, John Varley, mysteriously disappeared long ago.
Fabulous beautifully done i didn't go to this school as a pupil as i was one of the second year intakes at Moorway Lane though i did visit on a few occasions as my older brother was there, certainly bought back memories when the shot of the masters came up some of whom i remember very well . thank you i really enjoyed it
Thanks, good to know that oour efforts are still being enjoyed.
Thank you for posting this charming little film. The house (St Helen's) was built in about 1766 by Joseph Pickford for my ancestor John Gisborne. I've always wanted to see inside it.
***** How nice! Glad to be able to show you something of the old place, which has great significance to me and my schoolfriends.
Beautifully shot with a perfect blend of music and dialogue to evoke a real sense of this building's history. What sort of development is being planned? Will the interior be preserved? It's always such a shame when cherished buildings are altered, but I suppose life goes on and the changes can be made with sensitivity if the will is there. A very fascinating glimpse here of what once was.
Taught my French students there in the 70s then ran courses there for teachers in 1980s - fond memories and shame it is no longer used for educational purposes.
Interesting. Derby School moved from there soon after I left in 1965, so in what capacity did you teach French there? What took over between the school I knew and the teacher training? Yes, it is a shame it's no longer used for education of some sort, or even as a museum (as a fan of Erasmus Darwin and the Lunar Society I'd have it as a museum of the midlands scientific enlightenment). Housing accountants is not an appropriate use to my mind. Funny that it was deemed too dangerous for us to carry on there, because of the danger of falling masonry, yet it seems to have continued in occupation after we left!
@@lindosland I taught French students to speak English whilst doing my B.Ed at Bishop Lonsdale College. 1974-78. It was used in the 80s as a Teacher's Centre - a venue for various courses occasionally organised by teachers (when it was a proper profession). I have fond memories of my French students raising the tricolour, on Bastille Day, and singing the Marseilles ... Jim Regan, the Warden, raced our proclaiming that we don't even raise the Union Jack and helping us to lower it quickly.
Was it 1967 a boy from St Mary's and a Derby school chap had a face off at Derby market place after school. I remember all the pupil's on the market place.
I remember going there for music centre and also some other courses too
A wonderful and compelling piece. I was unlucky enough to miss the House. As a seccy at the brand new Moorway Lane in 1966 the masters are familiar enough to me. We were also bussed to Parker's Piece for games as the fields around the new school were unusable for the entire first year in Littleover. I didn't get to see inside St Helen's, though, and thoroughly appreciate this film. Thank you.
So pleased that you appreciated it! As you will have gathered, those science teachers, especially Allit and 'Bronco' Lane, inspired us. Looking back, we were there just at the time when science was able to stand its ground against the old attitudes of a classical education. I always knew I was going into electronics, but after ten years at BT Research and then another twenty or so founding Lindos Electronics I turned to trying to understand the big questions - evolution, genetics, psychology with fond memories of those days that inspired my curiosity. I believe Allitt died, but I'd be interested in stories of other masters - are any I knew still alive I wonder?
I suspect they are all gone now. (Except Arnott , and probably Rudge and Steggles). They were certainly a breed apart and I, too, feel privileged to have been taught by some of them at Moorway Lane. Allit tried to overturn my appointment to Grimes House Captain. He was not appreciative of long hair nor my out of school activities. Nevertheless I found his classes interesting ... even to a music and art orientated lad.
Thanks, the building is now finished and about to be occupied as offices by a well known firm of accountants. It's exactly as it was, so although I don't regard the use as particularly fitting to an old stately home, I can see that it beats the previous plan for a 'boutique hotel', which would have involved partitioning and installing lots of en-suite bathrooms. St Helens House must have stood in large grounds once, yet was hemmed in by houses when I was there, without even a playing field!
Ah! Real memories I was one of Phill Towers 13 plus imigrants from the secondary modern school intake. Love to see in the old chapel, that's where I first played an organ!, and in B Block Assembly hall a grand piano, when the elite wasn't watching!
+My video Clips What year? What sec mod? We were 1960 to 65 from Rykneld. I remember being impressed on hearing the organ in the chapel from time to time. Great that Dave G was able to play the original grand piano - and despite dodgy notes it still matched pretty well in pitch with the orchestral version I overlaid!
1961 to 63 ,I came from Allenton Sec Mod and joint the T Class as it was then! Yes the Chapel organ was very good and I knew it like the back of my hand!
Trying to get the old brain cells working, other people in my class I remember were,Maurice Cass,Andy Polkey,Pete Thomas, John Sparre, Richard Hagues, Geoff Carpenter, I left in June 1964 Ken
I saw the grey lady ghost walk through walls after an adult education class at St Helen's House some 20 years ago.
That would have been Stella Irving our only female teacher and wife of Lynden Irving, famous OD and lawyer in the town. She famously castigated my Biology set colleagues for not knowing Debussy's 'Prelude de l'apres midi d'un faune during a general studies period although I could play and analyse the piece for her later. She also very publicly turned up her nose at my career choice of dentistry and even more so at my university of Newcastle upon Tyne. What would she have made of Blackpool !?
Back in the early 60s a new English teacher, with a trendy haircut, joined the teaching staff, a certain Mr Eldred. In true Derby School tradition, a nickname was required. We struggled. Then, in an idle moment in one of his lessons, I wrote his name backwards - D-E-R-D-L-E. It caught on immediately, hastened by Eldred’s visible annoyance at this sobriquet. Shortly afterwards, the Headmaster, Leslie Bradley, retired and the new incumbent, Norman Elliott, took office. Mr Bradley was known, somewhat impertinently, as ‘Les’ but, somehow, calling Mr Elliott ‘Norm’ didn’t seem to work - we needed an alternative. Following the example of ‘Derdle’, I wrote Elliott backwards - TTOILLE. Moving the first ‘T’ to the end gave 'TOILLET’. Now, as you will recall, all toilets at the school were known as bogs, so ‘Bog Elliott’ was born.
Flushed with the success of all this, I went on to invent Blind Nomination Backy Knocky, but that's another story
If only I’d applied the same level of energy to my academic studies……
Terry ‘Ted’ Bracey
1960-64
Fascinating! So it was you that invented 'Derdle'. Don't remember you; did you know Dave Goodwin? Would be interested to know (briefly) what you did with your life. Did such timewasting prove to be an ongoing feature, or was creativity rewarded :-) Pete Skirrow
@@lindosland Hi Pete. To date me, I was in the upper 6th in 1963/4. I went on to get 2 A levels and a degree in Electronic Engineering and then spent over 40 years as a Broadcast Engineer working in Television, some 13 with the BBC and later as Director of Operations with Chrysalis's outside broadcast division. As for creativity, I'm a long time failed musician and songwriter but now spend my time recording people who can play and sing. See www.majoroakrecordings.co.uk
If Only, [Never to be said, with regret!] by far, my greatest gifts were in music, geography and creative writing / speaking with deep thought and humour - so I became a dental surgeon, somehow incorporating all the above. How come we never coincided at school - Thanks for your creation of Derdle and Bog - I bow to these !! and I've ended up in Blackpool
This was derbyhighschool?. OMFGG! i go thr & it's likee updated ...
No, this was Derby School, a 'grammar' school in the era of the 'tripartite system' of education that began in England with the education act of 1944, and continued until the late sixties when it began to be dismantled in favour of 'comprehensive' education. After the 11-plus exam, pupils went to grammar, technical, or secondary modern schools. Derby school also happens to have its origins in one of the first schools in England, though in a different building.
Goodwin Here, so 300 people have viewed this now. Sorry about being so scruffy , unshaven and totally unprepared for recalling masters and accents from almost half a century ago. We were lucky to be given access to St Helens House and for Peter's Video camera having enough power following filming around where we were brought up, notably around Firs Estate and Rykneld schools. Maybe more will surface from the hours of filming around Derby !!
UPDATED SCHOOL :Hello,im currently working on the new appartment blocks and soon be working on the referb of the old school,the video was taken on 19/1/21 facebook.com/1113791220/videos/10223857442640008/
the piano is still there ; )
So you forgot your shaver, and I was too busy not falling through the floor and keeping focus to straighten your collar - I don't care, it's exploration with genuine expression; think David Attenborough as opposed to all those swaggering presenters on television! I chuckle all the more at your references to 'consumation' etc., since hearing that your sister-in-law was shocked on watching. Better get the smelling salts ready when the rest of the video does surface :-) Pete Skirrow
OMG ! I 'ope schools in Derby have 'likee' updated since 1964, when we were last taught thr.Mind you Derby High School for gals was probably more 'elitist' in those days as it had a fee paying majority of pupils. LOL .Heard that St Helens House is to be filled with accountants soon in 2013. BTW , are you in hibernation, Skirrow ? Snowing in Blackpool. P.S. Soon my piano highlights of Enigma V's and Carl Jenkins's Benedictus* will be on You Tube - - -Goodwin TTFN
* B I H W C I T N O T L