I played prot warrior in Cata and is the most fun tank to play all so the most complex, for normal raids it works good but for progression it falls behind bdk and druid.
I see people say that constantly without any reasoning behind it. Prot warriors still have the strongest defensive cooldowns in the game out of any of the other tank classes.
@@fugitive011 I main Prot and love them. However tanking is more complex than defensives. Tank DPS matters ALOT! Blood DK is not only a Giga Tank that self sustains they pump Dps. So main Tank is Blood. Off tank can fall to even a Feral who's job is too DPS since Blood is a Giga Tank that solo's. The feral can swap into off tank when needed. Prot War mostly needs better damage and sustain healing, maybe even a tad more HP to be desired. Blood DK's are so good that many groups will run 1 tank.
@@WhatIfTheoriesagree, bdk is way to strong compared to the rest of the tanks and we all know that guilds take the "best" tank and ignore the rest, amazing how Blizz fucked up prot warrior two expansions in a row.
People sleeping on Prot war. Good prot wars can OT very well and swap to arms when needed. Knowing blizzard, they will randomly change some stuff like they said they would and I’m Sure prot war will get some love along with fury
Alright subtle, back to comment.... I did an ICC 10 man heroic last night. Now it's only my fourth time EVER in there but I know the fights etc. I couldn't do anything against the blood dk in there. he was doing 15kdps with essentially just heart strike. His logs went from 4-5k avg to 14-16k avg. The few logs I have went from 3-4kavg to 5kavg lol.... I think I'm going to enjoy arms this expansion.
I definitely need to work on rotation for single target but it seems the shockwave bonus x3 (can't recall name) from the thunder clap/rend refresh does a huge amount of threat. Was nonexistent on the dps meters. It was busted!
It seems like it'll be in the same position it was in Wrath where it can tank everything but there are better options. I dont think it will be the best for anything. I'm hopeful we get some changes though
So will prot warrior be a choice for MT/OT in cata because ive been a prot pally/protwarr main in wrath and like they said all wrath prot warrior is trash blah blah but I been playing it all wotlk just showing ppl I can do everyhting pally can my guild actully did Im pretty sure wotlk classic world 1st double prot warrior heroic LK 25 xD (its posted on my utube) anyway I wanna stay with warrior ive heard its insanly fun like funner then its ever been!
I'm not too sure how it'll shake out until I get to play it more, but at a minimum the community stigma is carrying over so it looks like it'll be hard to get groups even if prot war is close to other tanks
@@SubtleFW ya kinda sucks man the stigma is horrible lol but I guess well see luckily the guild im in ive been MT as prot warr and most consitant tank and they know Im playing warrior so I think regardless Ill be fine they rather keep me since I show up and play well over a better class of someone who may not be best player or show up witch has been nice they let me war and not gatekeep
I feel like you'll be okay. There is that stigma like y'all said but at the end of the day if you're a solid player and doing what is needed I think we're gonna get along fine. I'm planning on OT for guild and arms warrior.
@@dmoore4520 I mean at the start all bosses id think will need 2 tanks so you will probably HAVE TO PLAY 1 OR THE OTHER maybe tank and build ur dps set for when u can drop a tank or dps and build a tank set after tanks do
@@BigChopwowTVon normal you will have np tanking bosses but on hc the weakness of protwarrior will show itself more and you will need to play better and have very good healers behind you.
Changes in Cata: web.archive.org/web/20120321223550/www.wowhead.com/spell=871/shield-wall wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_4.2.0 You might be thinking of when they removed the shield requirement on it in MoP
I’ve been anxiously awaiting this one. Great job as always, Subtle!
I played prot warrior in Cata and is the most fun tank to play all so the most complex, for normal raids it works good but for progression it falls behind bdk and druid.
Yah it'll be like my 3rd alt unless they buff it a bit. Definitely fun but hopefully they make it competitive
I see people say that constantly without any reasoning behind it. Prot warriors still have the strongest defensive cooldowns in the game out of any of the other tank classes.
The best tank players play warrior. A non tank player will play a blood dk
@@fugitive011 I main Prot and love them. However tanking is more complex than defensives. Tank DPS matters ALOT! Blood DK is not only a Giga Tank that self sustains they pump Dps. So main Tank is Blood. Off tank can fall to even a Feral who's job is too DPS since Blood is a Giga Tank that solo's. The feral can swap into off tank when needed. Prot War mostly needs better damage and sustain healing, maybe even a tad more HP to be desired. Blood DK's are so good that many groups will run 1 tank.
@@WhatIfTheoriesagree, bdk is way to strong compared to the rest of the tanks and we all know that guilds take the "best" tank and ignore the rest, amazing how Blizz fucked up prot warrior two expansions in a row.
People sleeping on Prot war. Good prot wars can OT very well and swap to arms when needed.
Knowing blizzard, they will randomly change some stuff like they said they would and I’m
Sure prot war will get some love along with fury
That being said…. Do you think current damage output from prot war is on par with other tanks? And it’s mainly the survive/mitigation we lack?
Alright subtle, back to comment.... I did an ICC 10 man heroic last night.
Now it's only my fourth time EVER in there but I know the fights etc.
I couldn't do anything against the blood dk in there. he was doing 15kdps with essentially just heart strike. His logs went from 4-5k avg to 14-16k avg. The few logs I have went from 3-4kavg to 5kavg lol.... I think I'm going to enjoy arms this expansion.
Oof I'll have to check it out soon and see
I definitely need to work on rotation for single target but it seems the shockwave bonus x3 (can't recall name) from the thunder clap/rend refresh does a huge amount of threat. Was nonexistent on the dps meters. It was busted!
Whats your opinion on prot warrior, it is that bad? Could it be the best tank on some bosses?
It seems like it'll be in the same position it was in Wrath where it can tank everything but there are better options. I dont think it will be the best for anything. I'm hopeful we get some changes though
Zug zug
Without charge it is hard to start a fight with zero rage
It can't be worse than it is in wrath... can it?
Maybe... 😥
So will prot warrior be a choice for MT/OT in cata because ive been a prot pally/protwarr main in wrath and like they said all wrath prot warrior is trash blah blah but I been playing it all wotlk just showing ppl I can do everyhting pally can my guild actully did Im pretty sure wotlk classic world 1st double prot warrior heroic LK 25 xD (its posted on my utube) anyway I wanna stay with warrior ive heard its insanly fun like funner then its ever been!
I'm not too sure how it'll shake out until I get to play it more, but at a minimum the community stigma is carrying over so it looks like it'll be hard to get groups even if prot war is close to other tanks
@@SubtleFW ya kinda sucks man the stigma is horrible lol but I guess well see luckily the guild im in ive been MT as prot warr and most consitant tank and they know Im playing warrior so I think regardless Ill be fine they rather keep me since I show up and play well over a better class of someone who may not be best player or show up witch has been nice they let me war and not gatekeep
I feel like you'll be okay. There is that stigma like y'all said but at the end of the day if you're a solid player and doing what is needed I think we're gonna get along fine. I'm planning on OT for guild and arms warrior.
@@dmoore4520 I mean at the start all bosses id think will need 2 tanks so you will probably HAVE TO PLAY 1 OR THE OTHER maybe tank and build ur dps set for when u can drop a tank or dps and build a tank set after tanks do
@@BigChopwowTVon normal you will have np tanking bosses but on hc the weakness of protwarrior will show itself more and you will need to play better and have very good healers behind you.
Shield wall didn't change until mop, unless they plan on changing it
Changes in Cata:
web.archive.org/web/20120321223550/www.wowhead.com/spell=871/shield-wall
wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_4.2.0
You might be thinking of when they removed the shield requirement on it in MoP
sadly prot warrior is pretty week in cata :S
Yah hoping we get some buffs for it. They've emphasized this is Cata with changes and we already saw some balancing changes in Wrath