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Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation Season 2 Episode 23 Reaction + Discussion
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Mushoku Tensei II: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2
The second cour of Mushoku Tensei II: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu.
Rudeus heads north with new friends and powers in search of adventure and those he once knew. When a 34-year-old underachiever gets run over by a bus, his story doesn’t end there. Reincarnated in a new world as an infant, Rudeus will seize every opportunity to live the life he’s always wanted. Armed with new friends, some freshly acquired magical abilities, and the courage to do the things he’s always dreamed of, he’s embarking on an epic adventure-with all of his past experience intact! - Фільми й анімація
The Anime doesnt convey this, but Roxy pretty much saved rudies life. He was hold up in his room for a many many days, (i think it was a few weeks), not eating, barely drinking. He was withering away, replaying that moment of his pauls death over and over again. No one could get him to do anything no matter how much they tried. Finally one day Geese brings up that when men are like this, sex can bring them out of it, they all agreed but since sylphie wasnt there and they didnt think rudy would feel good about sleeping with a random person in a brothel, they tried to get Enelise to sleep with him but she refused since hes married to her granddaughter. They kept pleading with her to do it to save rudy. They even suggested that Lilia do it, but that got shot down right away. Roxy after much thought decided that if it would save rudy then she would do it. (Also she wasnt aggressive about it like the anime portrays it.)
Also Enelise lies at the bonfire and tells rudy that since him and roxy slept together almost 2 months ago, roxy hasnt had her period. Thats the focal point of all this and its what really pushes rudy to try to make roxy his wife. He really didnt want to betray sylphie, and wasnt going to marry roxy. But if she was going to give birth to his child then he was going to take responsibility for it.
Anyways, i just wish the anime went deeper into both of these things cuz it kinda seemed like she forced herself onto him for almost no reason, and he wants to marry roxy purely out of selfishness.
Some people claimed that the author had changed things in the anime trying to convey more accurately his vision, obviously is a hard work because you can’t have all the space and time like in the light novel and sometimes things will have to get cut but for me as a anime only watcher I see what they did and understand it.
There was way too much cut from this part.
And the tone was off for the big moment.
You're spot on with the context.
This was not played as much as a "spicy romance" thing in the novel.
It was Roxy trying everything and eventually pulling a desperation move to sleep with him, giving him a shock to the system and get him off the deathbed.
Wish they showed more of Rudy's mental state and made him look more lifeless in the anime.
One of the few parts I believe the anime adapted legitimately badly.
@@elchostomo Changes did get done to this episode to "appeal to a wider audience", nowhere have I seen anything about "true visions". The changes in this episode is at odds with the rest of the story as well... so... I call bull.
@@MatsJPettersen Yes, AND I think THIS way will make those annoying people(who SHOULD never be catered to because they are the 1%, or less, and they complain about everything) MORE bitchy about it. They didn't play Rudy's depression enough that he HAD to be helped in some way, they didn't have that conversation about how to help him AND they didn't have Elinalise tell him about the possible pregnancy which WAS the final straw that pushed him over the edge.. People mad would at least more understand IF they thought she was pregnant and he was taking responsibility, even if later they found out it wasn't true.
An adaptation is always its own thing, it's never the same and should not be judged by how much was cut or (even more importantly) how different it is. A prime example is the 1989 manga /1995 movie / 2002 series Ghost in the Shell, where all versions are quite different from each other (even the main character), to great effect.
What's important is that the story still makes sense, and that it is enjoyable.
My boy Rudy your Dad would be absolutely proud, now you can rest in peace Paul, your son Rudy gonna surpass you in swords wielding
Polygamy does exist, but don't you kind of already owe it to your current spouse to talk about it beforehand? Even in the LN, that was my primary hang up about this moment too. Although in anime context, I would have to say that Rudy wasn't in the right state of mind when Roxy got in his bed. I wouldn't place TOO much of the blame on him for that. He hasn't eaten or slept well in days. All he's been doing is apparently wallowing in despair, thinking about his parents in his first life, and the ones he got in his second life.
Elinalise also knew Roxy for far longer than she did Sylphy, so it kinda makes sense to me why she would root for Roxy being wed to Rudy.
Pikachu escaped❌
Bulbasaur captured ✅
Squirtle captured ✅
Why would you not go with Charmander in this scene?
@@Mcguinness3 What? Charmander is evolving!
@@Mcguinness3 because when Charmander does eventually come back, she will be a Charizard
Naaaaa girl completely understadabkr how you Feel, Just one thing, Mushoku is not about Justifying more like Understanding, The morality of this work is grey to its roots, we have seen it with Paul, he was overall a shitty person, but yet there we where all Crying for his death, that is Mushoku Tensei, that is the hearth of the story, Imeprfect humans in an imperfect world living an imperfect life.
Yoir reaction is quite fair. The anime skipped a lot of context making it look like Roxy just made a move, but in reality Rudeus was for days/weeks in his room without eating anything and ppl just didnt know what to do anymore.
Elinalise and Geese sugested this ide aof "man are simple. Give them alcohol and a woman to bed and they will get the will to live again" and they even considered bringing him to a brothel or something because they were stuck in Rapan because of Rudeus at this point.
Mushoku Tensei gives food for thought, this world is different with different rules and religion, it will bring a whole new problem for people because if you can marry more than one person, will you?, someone will others don’t but is not an easy answer because in the world we live in is something saw as something bad.
This being not our world we could perhaps understand the characters doing something that we wouldn’t do.
Well it's not like Polygamy doesn't exist in realities, maybe for modern western peoples but in the past and in some area and faith it's in fact part of life.
@@mightyhadi6132I understand, my point (or my argument) is maybe in our world isn’t viewed in a positive light and I accept that.
In my opinion with this world, and this characters my beliefs are challenged but I can accept the resolution of this characters if they act, do and react different (is like going to other countries and believe what I see is wrong, maybe is not wrong to them)
OH WELL MIGHT AS WELL GO HAREM
The book makes us privy to more of Rudeus' thinking. His night with Roxy essentially served as a reset button and he was thinking a lot clearer and lighter the next morning, but recognized his problems had only been pushed aside and added to. His very first thoughts when waking up were how he'd screwed up and how is he ever going to explain this to Sylphie. Then again in the book, Rudeus was the one who pushed Roxy down after she gave him the idea it's okay.
The talk he had with her in the morning is what served to duct tape him together well enough to embark on his journey home, where he could actually start healing.
In the book Rudeus told Roxy the story of a _completely fictional and unrelated man_ who'd ruined his relationship with his family, ended up in a new land and started a new life, gained a new family, but had made a terrible mistake that reminded him of his parents who'd been left unmourned. He asked her what _that completely fictional man_ should do. Since he can't go back to visit the parents' graves or talk to the relatives, then the only thing he can do is focus on the family he has in front of him.
The anime streamlined the meaning to relate to Paul and how Rudeus has to focus on his mothers and his sisters rather than follow Paul to the grave.
Her plea is the most impactful line for me in the entire book series: "Please look to the future. Everyone is waiting for you." Especially since she likely picked up on what Rudeus meant.
6:15 That is an excellent point, that he's holding it together because everyone's there for him. It's also why Roxy told him "Everyone is waiting for you." Even if he'd known last time that there are people with high hopes for him, he didn't internalize it and they were all far away. This time he has people who trust him and believe in him both immediately present and waiting for him at home. More than that, the ones with him are relying on him to get home. That aids in his healing or at the very least holds him glued together long enough to make it back home to his loving wife's arms. Though you'll have to see how she reacts to the news he is about to bring her.
5:45 Lilia's dynamic was more centered around Zenith and Rudeus in the family. She did become Paul's wife and eventually came to truly love him, but her ties were strongest with Zenith who'd essentially adopter her as a sister and with Rudeus who saved her life. However, she sees herself first and foremost as the family servant and that her ties to the others are best served in that capacity.
I guess a line that wasn't included during Elinalise and Rudeus's conversation was “Yes, I can say it. No one else could say this but me, I realize I shouldn’t say it like this, but before I was Sylphie’s grandmother, I was Roxy’s close friend.” since they've spent quite a long time traveling since the events of S1. In the LN, Elinalise tells Rudeus that in one of her drinking sesh with Roxy, Roxy mentions that her monthly visitor hasn't come. Then asking Rudeus what would he do if Roxy is preggy, in which he replied that he'll marry Roxy in that case. Anime made it seem that he needed a lot convincing from Elinalise, while the LN showed a bit more of Rudeus owning up the responsibility if needed.
man, Elinalise knew that Rudeus was destroying her granddaughter in bed so she got her a partner to share the burden.
Rudy really is amazing. Dual wielding with one hand...
All this talk about 'Dual Wielders' makes eponymous Ace Combat 7's track playing in my head during this reaction...
kind of wild for Sylphie that her grandma pushed her husband to bring home a 2nd wife even if polygamy is accepted practice in that world.
Whats wild is In the light novel it was grandma's idea for roxy to smash
@@DamImperialnot exactly, Elinalise, Geese and Roxy talked about Rudy and tried to find some way to help him, one of them suggested he should needed to get late (some adventurers believe that is a way of coping with the pain of losses), even suggested taking him into a brothel and find a women there.
After that Roxy believe that wasn’t the way of doing this, but maybe if she couldn’t talk him out of that depressed mood she could do it as a last resort.
Elinalise has been Roxy's friend longer than she's been Sylphie's grandmother. Her own words.
You see Rudy just brought up the idea of naming the child before he left and the curse was strong enough to kill Paul.
Had he named the child first more might have died.
BS aside; glad you finally got to see best doggo Dillo the Armidillo looking critter.
In the LN Lise encouraged Roxy going to do naughty things with Rudy before hand. Thats why she was so direct.
Years beforehand, you mean.
Here, right before Roxy went to him, she agreed that a woman to bed would help him, but adamantly refused to do it herself and no random woman would do for him.
guess how many sword can Rudy wield?
4
@@Theis_Ejsingrookie numbers to killer bee
@@andres1000222 That's... Some different swords.
3
sylph, roxy and eris 3 swords
I love how sassily unimpressed you were. Peak reaction content.
Rudy recovered from past trauma (eris) with sex. That's kinda the only way he knows how to recover. So when Paul died, I kinda thought that was going to happen with Roxy.
Also, about Roxy's bad timing, I wonder if that was a coincidence? Or perhaps there was more to their almost meetings these past years.
Elinalise had been pushing Roxy to get together with her lost student during their travels.
its funny to see a other peoples reactions to how they see different scenarios, for me it was obvious what roxy was doing as soon as she stepped in. the way she was dressed and that she locked the door.
Ryu on the otherhand got really surprised xD
Judging face was very funny 🤣
paul have 2 swords , and rudy have 3 swords
The conversation between Elinalise and Rudy was condensed in this episode, in novel she did take both Roxy and Sylphie into consideration, but they deleted it and makes it look like she did not care for Sylphie.
i think even with the context, people will still react how they will react. Even with all the explanations it is still pretty straight foward to me. Its funny how ive noticed its mainly the female audience that has reacted a particular way to this. NOT ALL, but the ones ive seen on youtube so far.
Curious about the sleeping arrangements. Especially when Eris comes back into the picture.
Master bedroom is the love nest and Rudeus' own sleeping quarters. Sylphie's been sharing it only every third night anyway, and even that's thanks to Elinalise covering for her on night shift. The house has plenty of rooms.
lol so funny watching male reactors being like "ayo get it son!" and female reactors being like "nuh uh nope ew" to this episode.
I found this sequence pretty messy when i read the LN but it is what it is.
Bro SMASHED his goddess with one hand (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵)
Roxy spent much more time looking for Zenith and almost got killed while doing it, I know you are upset but she khows how you feel.
After all she's a goddess you pray every day so have faith
Way to go, Hulk!
Can only imagine the red head girl will be next
I also recall the elf girl saying something along the line of not minding if he got a concubine so I think this will be fine.
The harem building has begun! Now how do we get that tsundere Eris into this happy family...
Actually what religion they follow and whether polygamy is common is not important for the discussion about the severity of what Rudeus and Roxy did in my opinion, because Rudeus had that self imposed promise with Sylphie of staying true to her, which he broke. That fact remains.
So the future topic will be whether Sylphie forgives him for breaking it once, and whether she would be ok with invalidating/removing that promise completely.
Rudy would be more worried to Norn than Sylphy 😂
The myth of consensual polygamy
Another joins the Rudy harem
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HAREM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to be fair, in the light novel, it wasn't Roxy's idea to seduce Rudy. It was Elinalise who, in a discussion with Roxy, Geese, and Talhand, said that sex can pull a man out of a fit of depression like this. (She had plenty of personal experience, it seems.) Rudy had been in a deep depression for weeks, but Elinalise could not be the one to do the deed to pull him out of it this time. It was at that point that Roxy took it on herself to do it. This was in the same discussion where Roxy found out that Rudy had a wife and a kid on the way. Her objective was to pull Rudy out of his depression. Nothing more really.
That said, Elinalise knew exactly what she was doing when she brought up the idea of somebody sleeping with Rudy. She knew Roxy was in love with Rudy, and unlike what was implied in the scene right after Roxy and Rudy leave their hotel room, she wouldn't have been too surprised that Roxy did it.
The lost cause regarding Zenith is that, according to Elinalise, the person she knew who was trapped in a magic crystal lost all memories and never got them back. The person Elinalise knows was later able to lead a more-or-less normal life, but the person's memories only date back to coming out of a coma-like state after being rescued from the crystal.
Finally in the light novels, Elinalise pretty much cornered Rudy into proposing to Roxy. Her excuse was that she was Roxy's friend before she was Syplhie's grandmother (which isn't quite true, but from her perspective, she was Roxy's friend for several years, and it was only recently that she found out that she was Sylphie's grandmother). Personally I like this version a little better since it puts the decision to seduce Rudy squarely on Roxy's shoulders and the decision to propose squarely on Rudy's.
One other thing about Norn that you may not know is that while she was in Millishion with her father, she was taken in, while Paul was out rescuing teleportation victims, by Zenith's family who are devout Millis believers. So Norn is pretty devout in her Millis beliefs too.
It wasn't Elinalise, it was Geese who gave the idea and explained it to Roxy (tho nobody implied that Roxy should do it)
@@ShiNijuuAKL Thanks for the correction. It's been a long time since I last read it.
@@kaguya6900 it is not just you, fucking everyone is saying the same thing (that Elinalise did it). I have watched videos of folks reading the chapter from the LN and immediately coming to that conclusion even though that is not what the text says at all 💀💀
bros reaction is totally the opposite of the girls reaction in this ep
damn femenist
It's funny how modern feminist woman or modern woman in general detest polygamy . If both woman (or more) agree and the man can be just and equal to them in giving love and wealth . Than there is nothing to complain, in fact polygamy marriage is much much preferable than letting man cheating behind and one night stand with proustite. With Polygamy marriages the man take responsibilities by making it official and help the first wife to share the responsibilities of a wife (taking care house, husband and kid) .
Dont bring politics here wtf
@@KyonSOSBrigad3 It's not politic, it's culture view dum as
@@KyonSOSBrigad3 It's not politic it's cultural and religion views.
@@KyonSOSBrigad3I don't think you understand what politics is. This is discussing ethics and social expectations, not politics. Politics USES these things to polarise people for the sake of seizing power or setting law. Are you afraid of discussing ethics?
@@MaidenLoaf No and i dont care about that, im not even american to begin with
Rudy isn’t supposed to be likable character, imo, and reminds me of every addict and alcoholic I’ve ever been associated with that has tried to go clean. I do thing he is an interesting character though.
It was hard to accept and disgusting story for me.
Their sense of marriage seems different radically with me. Especially that scene, Elinalise answerd `no choice` when Rudy said his mom had cryied, makes feel it.
But it is a funny episode that telling me a part of how ppl in this world think about that.
In Japan, fertility rates are critically low…they are starting to rationalize to combat it
Even taking polygamy into account sleeping with someone behind his wifes back is still cheating. Rudy deserves some drama for that
There are extenuating circumstances for that tryst.
@@Tounushi yeah, there are but I want Sylphie to get mad because that would be more interesting.