How Spain Pick And Roll Took Over The NBA
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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Coach Nick has discovered that many NBA teams are running a slick variation of the age old pick and roll. BBALLBREAKDOWN contributor Nick Sciria joined him to discuss what we're seeing on the court and why it's so devastating to the defense.
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coach i know "positions" in the NBA are pretty much obsolete, but could you please do a breakdown of every position on how they're suppose to play (give an example of the best tradition player of that position) and then how they play now and give an example of the best....for example point= CP3 best tradition/ James harden best now
THis is a great suggestion - there are way more than 5 nowadays
BBALLBREAKDOWN I'd love this!
keepiticy it would really help to explain why some plays work better for certain teams
BBALLBREAKDOWN do it, it's an great idea
it might need to go over 5 videos!
NOBODY expects the Spanish Pick N Roll. Hence it's effectiveness
Kwijiboz
When everybody starts to do it, everybody will expect it.
I wasn´t being serious, It is a Monty Python reference bro.
The warriors were already invincible, and now thanks to coach Nick they will become immortal with the Spain pick and roll.
I'm sure Steve Kerr has already subscribed to this channel
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Christophe Maximin Lol😎😎😎
If I see the Warriors running this next game and killing the other team, I blame Coach Nick
Lifu Tao I believe that if coach Nick was the head coach of the warriors they would have finished the season 81 and 1.
The only loss would be against the Lakers because we all Know coach loves the Lakers and especially Zubać.
It's Zubac :)
This is why the NBA is at the best it has ever been. Offenses are scary & damn near unguardable.
especially with the soft defense engineered out of desperation by David Stern
Qui Dong Le False..The game isn't built for offense, or else zone defense would be eliminated, just as it was in the 90s..Which allowed one on one play. The game has improved.
Lovro Bebić Soft? Debatable. But surely effective.
Hesus You're confused.
If you're seriously impyljng that you prefer 80s defense over today's, then you're way off.
Offense went way up, defense went way down, the former mostly due to fantastically sophisticated coaching and the latter due to rule changes and abysmal judicial criteria introduced in the 2000's to boost popularity.
You guys need to watch more Euroleague, this play originated from serbian coach Obradovic (Fenerbache) about 2 years ago, now almost every european team plays like this!!
And the way to defend it is: after the first screen bought of the guards just swich (backscreen defender takes guy with the ball and ballhandlers defender gets to the backscreener ) and the big guy needs to get through the backscreen by him self+ the week side can always help the big man while he gets back to his guy.
We've got footage from 2010 in Spain doing it out of HORNS! ua-cam.com/video/kgtVbKZ-pEE/v-deo.html
In fact, I'm going to review the tactics from earlier Spain games. I've always had the feeling that most of the recent success is due to the heavy work done by the 2006 team and coach. The team almost ran on its own for years after he was fired for not putting up with bullshit from the federation.
@@bballbreakdown That's cute. Željko Obradović used to ran that action with Real Madrid back in the 90s and later with Panathinaikos. There's a video from 2002 Euroleague Final. And here's a video from 1996: watch?v=oxVdQBw17Jw
this Spain pick and roll play looks unstoppable
Europe "Copy" - NBA "Paste".
Good play though
haha, true - tons of European teams run it
Milan Stankovic exactly
BBALLBREAKDOWN Only problem I have is, it's Lazy Offense designed to keep the ball in the initial ballhandler 's possession.
I am so glad the Lakers got a PG like Lonzo Ball that moves the ball.
3 biggest influences in NBA: European style of play, Steph Curry, Analytics
This must be a killer playing 3 on 3
oh shit you're so riiiight
nah i'm good with AI's one man show style... If double teamed kick out the ball
The origins of this play come from Zeljko Obradovic,one of the greatest coaches of all time and definately an upcoming hall of famer. He was the first that ran the spain pick n roll with Panathinaikos Athens back in 2002. His team won the euroleague title in 2000,2002,2007,2009 and 2011 where with players like Diamantidis,Sarunas Jasikevicius and Mike Batist, spain pick n roll became poetry! The Spanish team decided to run the play and so they called it spain, the truth though is a little bit different.I personally feel blessed to Zeljko Obradovic for changing the way basketball is played with his incredible intelligence and creativity.We must give credit right where they belong to,so credits to Greek and Serbian basketball,where the game is still pristine.
That's not what happened according to Sergio Scariolo... he said that he came to this play naturally in 2009 when he was coaching the russian team Khimki. It was a way to take advantage from Mozgov, who was his center in Khimki... when Scariolo started coaching the Spanish National Team he just started using that play massively and that's how american coaches imported it into the NBA, and started to call it Spanish pick and roll...
@@JulioLeonFandinhoType: Zeljko Obradovic Spain pick and roll. He used it way back in 1996 with Real Madrid. And he wasn't the first to run that offense. His former coach Duško Vujošević used it in the late 80s. Same thing with Shammgod - there's some random guy from college who used it in the 90s, but in reality it is Yugoslav crossover. Dejan Bodiroga perfected it in the 90s and early 2000s, but it was used A LOT by Danko Cvjeticanin in the 80s, but it was Serbian/Yugoslavian legend Dragan Kićanović who used it first in the 70s.
Wow!! Me and my buddies used to do this.. that was 1998. We call it "3way pick and roll."
Love it!!
BBALLBREAKDOWN Yeah coach!! Back then we didn't even know that the spanish national team runs it. We just want to modify the standard pick and roll.. hence the name "3way."
I like that name alot 3way pick and roll. Genius!
this is so simple but effective it blows my mind. if I ever coach hs basketball this is gonna be my #1 set
After watching Spain PnR over and over I suggest having the ball handlers defender switch onto the back screener
Ima simple man, I see James Harden I click
LongLiveSteelo
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Coach we like the videos like this where it doesn't necessarily break down a single game , but we'd also like to see those too. Breakdowns of big games was what brought em to your channel back in 2015
I don't see any other news outlet even broaching this subject. You guys are ahead of the curve.
Cool Breakdown the NBA has really changed from when I first started watching it
Loved the music lol. Top Gun so classic.
Would love to see kd as the ball handler with draymond screen setter and curry as the back screener for draymond the options would be crazy with klay in the weak side or Javale as the screener and draymond strong side and klay weak side so many deadly combinations and options
I think the OKC could upgrade Russ-Adams pick and roll to this. Russ will be so much effective. Sabonis(PF) can shoot 3s. They only lack a SG or SF to shoot 3 consistently.
And they had it in their offense last year!
Love the "Top Gun" theme coach! :)
I Love this play, it's so beautifully simple. I think Cleveland should definitely use this set, to give them some relief from their high effort iso plays. They have an abundance of spot up shooters who could spread the corners for this (Kevin Love, Kyle Korver, Richard Jefferson, Channing Frye, JR Smith and Shumpert). They could use it in a number of ways:
-Kyrie or Lebron handling the ball, with Tristan Thompson setting the ball screen, and Lebron or Kevin Love setting the back screen.
-When Lebron is off the floor, use Kyrie handling the ball with Thompson, Love, Frye or Korver setting the screens.
-When Kyrie is off the floor, use Lebron handling the ball with again Thompson, Love, Frye or Korver setting the screens.
-Try having Shumpert or maybe RJ handling the ball with the help of screens from Lebron and Love. They are less talented ball handlers but this type of splitting the defence may give them enough space to help out with the "playmaker" issues.
-Most importantly, when Thompson is off the floor, they can run this play with all 3 of their best players being directly involved. With Kyrie handling the ball, Lebron and Love can set the screens either way around, in order to get Lebron and Kyrie going to the rim, or get high quality spot-ups for Love from 3 or mid-range. This may improve their offence in these lineups, and offset the disadvantages of having no interior presence without Thompson.
Screen-the screener plays have been pretty popular for a while now. Herb Magee at Philly Univ (now Jefferson Univ) has been running it since the early 90s. It is a great play for sure!
The key is having an Aggressive ballhandler that is thinking Dunk/layup 1st. I can't stand these soft guards that have no intention of getting to the rim. Give me Westbrook or Isaiah Thomas anyday. You can call it Spanish, Russian, or Chinese pick & roll if those 2 guys are the ballhandler.
damn dawg, take a breather!
so whos an example of a soft guard?
rubio
D-Lo (Lakers)
the game as a whole is soft, the player are just a by product of new rules made for offense to score more.
This pick and roll play was known way before the Olympics.
2 reasons the Warriors don't run this YET #1 Steph don't attack the basket the way most of the guards in this video attack which is KEY to the initial action & #2 KD is one of the WORST screen setters in the league according to a Warrior beat writer
Tonio5100 Well Steph is one of the best screen setters and KD is great at attacking the basket problem fixed.
Use Steph as the back screener and KD as the main ball handler
Justin Woodson that's why I said YET because I think they wanna be able to run it multiple ways before showing their hand.... They maybe working on having Klay as the back screener as well too with KD & Steph as the ball handler
Tonio5100 true I think Dray as the ball handler would be the most effective though because the 4 or 5 will be put in a very unusual situation either way that's why it's always great to have playmakers who can also shoot and penetrate the defense.
Nice to add the Top Gun theme!
It's best when a Small Forward is setting the backscreen. A lot of teams don't have a Stretch-4. This eliminates that problem. A perimeter guy is at Top of Key instead of the PF.
Nice simple action with great results. Good find Coach!
Coach, can you make a ringtone of you saying "SPORTS FANS!" trap remixed for a ringtone?
THANKS for giving credit where it's due. Scariolo was never a bad tactician, it's his team selection and rotations what make him an arguable national coach at the very least.
One analysis that I'd really like to see is one on Spain's defensive system on the 2006 world championship. They were running a shifting system (sometimes shifting from 1on1 to different zones up to three times within a single possession) that was a nightmare for every other team except, maybe, Argentina. You have the vids on youtube, give them a look :)
It was Željko Obradović who ran this action back in the 90s with Real Madrid and later with Panathinaikos. There is a video from the 2002 Euroleague final where Panathinaikos uses this action.
I have seen junior (U16/U18) european national teams running this action for the past few years.
Željko Obradović ran this action back in the 90s with Real Madrid and later with Panathinaikos. There is a video from the 2002 Euroleague final where Panathinaikos uses this action
The Warriors could defend this with the lineup of death having Draymond , Iggy and Kd guarding the paint and closing out on the shooter. However they would be killed by every lob catcher in the league when Zaza is out there. This might be a usefull weapon to force Steve Kerr to use the lineup of death more than what he wants and eventually wear the starters down.
all I saw was illegal screens
Also for the high PnR's why not just go under the screen? Not many will want that 3 quite that high. Unless you are Curry or Lillard.
One option I think is being overlooked is the guard back screening on these plays often aren't really being guarded. Their man is so worried about switching, they're not paying them any mind. If the PNR was set high enough with the back screen around mid block to high, the back screening guard could immediately turn around and get a back door lob, bounce pass, or whatever. It may or may not be there, but just in these clips I think its possible.
Alright, now all I have to do is convince my 5 year old's YMCA coach to teach this and we'll run the table
Coach Nick, have you seen teams run this play, "Spain," where the ball handler attacks the rim after the high ball screen is set, and kicks it out to the corner man who then skips it to the back-screener at the top for an open 3 look? I could have sworn I saw San Antonio run this variation several times!
Panathinaikos Athens did just that in 2002 Euroleague Finals. It was Željko Obradović who ran this action back in the 90s with Real Madrid and later with other teams. Gregg Popovich is a friend of Obradović and said that he borrowed some of his plays. Željko Obradović said back in 2014 that he spent summer dissecting San Antonio offense, especially positioning and off ball movement.
Lithuania do this too, initiate off an Iverson cut into wing pick and roll.....awesome stuff!
Also, something you didn't mention is that IMO this play is as much about transition defense as it is about trying to score.
In the standard PNR, when both players crash to the hoop, your team becomes completely unbalanced because you don't have anybody back. But in this "Spain" PNR, you have a player literally sprinting back toward his own hoop as the PNR is taking place.
Coach Nick, I like your content but some of the time what you say goes right over my head and I'm not sure what I'm looking at. Where would you recommend I start? Or could you make a basketball 101 playlist?
Hi coach, can you make a breakdown for Dallas Mavericks, winning back to back against San Antonio and Cleveland?
Why not just call it a Spanish pick and roll? Spain pick and roll is a weird way to say it. But this is action we run on my high school team and it was cool to see this analysis of it and learn where it kind of came from
This would make the NO Pelicans impossible to guard. The amount of lobs and open threes for AD and DMC would be absolutely terrifying.
Keep it up guys. Good analysis.
Dean Smith ran all that. They used to run it for Ed Cota, Vince Carter, and Antawn Jamison.
I first saw it in the Olympics by the Spanish national team of Gasol and Co.
It was used by European GOAT Željko Obradović since the early 2000s. And he took it from Duško Vujošević, who was his coach in Partizan in the late 80s.
Coach Nick
Could you
imagine teams switching the screens so that the defender defending the back
screener would pick up the ball handler and then the big has to defend the big
man/rim. And the last defender took the back screener?
Thank you
for a good video
Coach, I heard that you were planning to do a breakdown comparing the Warriors from this year to last year. I'm curious, are you planning to do the breakdown during the All-Star Break or some other time? Also, can you do a breakdown on the Utah if you happened to have the time?
i think your twist with the pin down its effective, but if you blow the shooter sight you dont have no roll man where to put the ball cause his defender is already in place, dont you think?
Kind of, the Mavericks do this and it works really well when the center pins down for Dirk...
Great stuff once again coach!
Coach any breakdown on the Mavs recent wins against the Spurs, Cavs and Philly. I think they ran some interesting stuff j. there with 2 PGs and Dirk at Center.
coach will you break down Dion Waiters? I think it's a must if he gets to 10 straight wins
Spanish roll.
Come on Nick you must be kidding! If you saw last years Euroleague Fenerbache ran it all day and everyday man. Btw im spanish
Communication is Key!
Not sure if Top Gun or BBallbreakdown... stay tuned for further analysis lol
This was a great breakdown
great video!
Hey coach could you break down why the raptors are playing so bad right now?
KD is the ball handler, where Steph sets the back screen on the big who is guarding McGee...unstoppable.
could you please do a video about miami heat and there win streak !!!!
Spanish, not Spain. What kind of English is Spain pick and role? Come on.
+humbala111 lmao, okay. I didn't pick the name
Also I think an important aspect is the timing of the backscreener, too early is not good right? You want the timing to be closer to when the ball handler nears that big man so it's like PnR #2. I think of SPAIN as two PnR's in a row...right?
This is basically pick n roll + screen the screener
Can we get a breakdown of the fact that the mavericks are somehow 3-0 since signing yogi ferrell
KILLERpeanutz and 8-3 when Curry starts 😂
coach why dont teams trap the ball handler hard when they run the pick and roll? if you blow up the initial action you get into a scramble situation and then at least you have a chance of forcing a turn over. id like to hear your thoughts on this
Rondo is perfect for this
theyll just sag off him and clog the paint; not to mention he wont take it to the rack b/c he cant shoot ft, let alone any other shot on the court
Do your next vid on how the Heat are on a 9 game win streak
wouldn't a down screen be more effective than a back screen if the ball handler is an effective shooter?
Sounds like a beat from Top Gun in there.
do the lakers run this? would be good action with Lou will or DLo as primary ball handler, zubac/nance/randle as the rollers, nick young/clarkson/deng setting the back screen. i think stressing a GREAT back screen makes Spain PnR work because the defender has very little time to make a decision and communicate the coverage to his teammates. unfortunately, few Lakers set good screens =(
Best Nicks team in the NBA
MY GOD. IT'S BEAUTIFUL !
1:17 lol
Is the answer to this a disciplined zone or zone hybrid like Flip Saunders defense
Nick Gay
The answer to this is either rotate very quickly, or just switch the initial screen and roll. Now all the offense has is a backscreen for a slow bigman.
tteverywhere 97 but would a zone work in theory... All layers would be covered. And push shots outside the paint
Nick Gay
Maybe it would, but a zone is kind of easily exploitable by NBA and even good college teams. So while you might stop this action, there are a ton of sets designed to defeat zones and thus you will be forced to go back to man-to-man.
Coach, do you think that to be a star center in todays in nba, you have to be able to play inside and outside?
It sort of feels that way YES
i think so; cousins, m.gasol are considered the 2 best centers and they can spot up for 3s, drive and finish if you run them off the line, post up, and pick and pop for long 2s; they don't just sit on the left block and wait for the ball. KAT, embiid, jokic, and porzingus can all do that as well.
video starts: 0:32
please breakdown the heat winning streak!!!!
thanks
Great video. We talk about W's. I'd like to see Cavs run this, with Love, Bron and Kyrie.
YES
BBALLBREAKDOWN The Cavs still have a chance vs W's. But what do you think of Melo rumors ?
spanish pick and roll
much better name
I think you should do a video on why the cavs are loosing?
TOMORROW
You're never going to defend this play (or defend well in general) if you're stuck in this antiquated strict man to man mindset.
You're also never going to defend this play if you're depending on verbal communication between the defenders (as in a defender yelling "pick left/right"). Again, that's an antiquated mindset.
Verbal communication is nice to have, but you shouldn't depend on it because it's unreliable. First, it might be too loud to hear. Second, what's stopping somebody on the other team yelling "pick left/right" when there's nothing there, just to fool you?
A defensive system (and offense too) should be based on players seeing things with their own two eyes and acting/reacting accordingly.
How come you don't make Warriors videos anymore? Don't let the trolls dictate what u do.
Can the second defender not see the bloody pick and switch? Wtf
is this play in 2k?
Kel DeGuzman No, 2k is so trash sometimes lmao
Kel DeGuzman 2K doesnt even know how a fucking standard PnR works, do you really think they have something like this in there? hell no 2K is trash
Lol I thouth on 2k while watching as well...but the basic PnR mechanics in 2K are really bad...
Rennan Semensato not really if you call the pnr quick play it usually works for me though
Yeah I think the pnr mechanics on 2k aren't bad, it's the defense that sometimes lacks consistence, but with the correct settings (using ICE can be quite effective) you can manage to get around it.
Cavs will probably just switch on this play coach..
Shiiiit when the damn Warriors start running this and Draymond starts setting his deadly illegal screens it's over, crap
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More Isaiah Thomas please!!
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Uh oh this name sounds like "Sharia" incoming the Islamophobes