Yay! You finally showed the build! Great build btw 😁 I’m definitely gonna try it out I’ve been trying to go flawless for the last 2 weeks it’s crazy hard. But you make it look easy 😎
@SighDUX yup yup kinda figured. I do really think unbreakable is a bit slept on. There are some lovely combos with it; it just requires precise use I feel like so you don't get blasted the second you drop it
@Ginyasha- yeah exactly. But on the flip side. I also think Prismatic only has one synergy knockout and diamond lance. But thruster and drengrs lash also interests
@@SighDUX yehhh I'm kind of with you. Even with the nerfs to pris.atic hunter, I still see wayy more of those than the titans and half the time, the titan gets shotgunned before they can punch. I do like the drengrs lash thing but it seems inconsistent least without abeyant leap ya know?
@@Ginyasha- this may be a hot take. But if/when they nerf this interaction I don't think titan will be viable in end game pve, except on bubble. Remember we are moving towards a future of one of each class at least in trials or maybe comp. So 3 Behemoths won't be a thing. So to me that leaves void and prism which will drop from s tier to b or c tier imo. I'm not upset by that though the game is cyclical. Titans will rise up later. But if they move forward with that plan. I do not think titans will be the most viable class. I also understand the one kill Equals 3 is incredibly strong...in the right hands many times, most prism titans fail. And all of our value is about interacting with the enemy, we have to kill or break shields ECT. Where prism hunter is about the exact opposite. Smoke to stay away, decoy to stay away, swarm nade to stay away lol. I think it's cool that is a playstyle don't get me wrong. But I don't understand why being rewarded for aggression and getting a kill is as bad or worse to ability spamming all possible pushes. At least in the communities eyes Also now that I think about it. I don't think I'll change a thing. Knockout is amazing whether it makes a diamond lance on a non stasis kill, I don't think it will impact my playstyle a ton. Since 70 percent of the time, I make it with a shiverstrike anyways. Sorry for the book. Just thinking out loud and I think it will drop to b+ or a- it will still be good.
I just somthing similar but instead of a gl i use con and instead of pks i use alpha lupi and ophidian with a NRW Max ra ge shayura wit Dynamik and target.
Sounds similar but very different. Yours is a true dueling and lacks range. I always want a mid range option. Otherwise shotty and SMG can be too map situational. Sounds like a fun build tho
I disagree completely. It's buggy, has hit registration and if they have a shotgun and a brain you'll die just flying in. The only cheese it had was when you could immediately follow up with another melee for an immediate kill. Glad they removed that. GL someone and then following it up with a melee. Is one kill for a special shot and a full slow melee charge. I appreciate and respect your opinion though
@ I’m not sure what kinda bugs you’re getting cuz I’m confirming kills from like 30 meters with it. Especially when you can confirm a diamond lance off of it and get another free kill. Nothing else is even close to that powerful in the current sandbox.
@tcritty2812 getting a diamond lance from a shiverstrike has been a thing for 3 years. The only part I don't think you should be able to get a diamond lance from is a pure double melee knockout. Yes it can be a 1=3 kind of build. But honestly it has a high degree of risk. All of which is countered by smokes, well timed dodges, titan barricades, shotguns, fusions, uppercut melee from void locks, any source of slow. Since slow slams you to the ground and ruins shiverstrike. As far a bugs there are 3 that are confirmed. Right now if you hit a shiverstrike and die on connecting because of the delayed stasis explosion not going off since you're dead, they survive. Old shiverstrike wouldve been a trade. Secondly if a warlock is sitting in a recently created rift the shiverstrike won't connect most of the time, it hits some invisible barrier. 3rd the stasis explosion doesn't always go off or if it does, it doesn't always do the ten or so damage it is supposed to do. As far as nothing else is as close to as powerful as that. Lighting surge, ballistic slam, combination blow, and even grapple melee on hunter with right prismatic setup and exotic class item can blow up whole teams with a single melee. I think this setup is incredibly strong and a bit out of band and possibly needed of a nerf...but I do not think shiverstrike is the problem. As far as titans go, we are either busted or garbage since titans in pvp don't really have strong neutral games. As in we don't have much going for us besides our exotics or melees. There isn't a lot baked into the subclasses that are nuanced, high skill ceiling, or neutral heavy. It almost is always based around a kill or a melee. Good examples of neutral game would be Dawnblades ability to shoot and fly at the same time with heat rises. That is only strong if you leverage it correctly. But it changes how you play completely. On hunter you have ways to increase handling with on your mark baked in or dodging to increase melee lunge without needing to break a shield, just dodge before an engagement and if you get the kill you get your dodge cooldown back, and when you dodge near an enemy you get your melee energy back. Or how grapple hunter with suspend dive creates an entirely new playstyle that is vastly different than radar manipulation void hunter. Variety like that doesn't exist on titan. It's just different flavors of fists and depending on the patch we are busted or garbage. Sometimes busted too long. I long for the day of a subclass that gives the depth and nuance I desire on titan. I also don't want to see shiverstrike gutted because of prism. Where I think the problem to me is a passive knockout double regular melee equals diamond lance. I don't want to have base subclass suffer because of prism. It already has happened to hunter. Smoke going from 10 seconds on the floor down to 3 seconds did nothing but hurt void hunters ability to manipulate the radar. I do not think Behemoth needs to be nerfed more. My last thought is a Dawnblade can do the same thing from the same distance. Float, Grenade launcher and clean up with a celestial fire, but they stay safe and far away. My reward for pushing in and being aggressive is the lance and I think that's far healthier than being rewarded for using knucklehead and pulsing in the back of the map. Sorry for the book. Just my thoughts
@@SighDUX if the netcode for this game wasn’t as bad as it is i would agree with you. The melee desync within 10m makes melees like grapples and shiver strike damn near unhittable. Warlock gl c fire has been massively nerfed but can definitely still be oppressive. But that’s also a way more niche playstyle. Shiver strike and cqc meshes extremely well into a very easy playstyle for Titan anyway. I matched you last night with that glaive build and was definitely feeling the melee desync problems that have plagued this game since forever. I’m certainly not a fan of this current meta. And i despise the pulse handholding. But if that eventually gets axed. And smg’s see any sort of buff. Titan is going to absolutely run wild.
@tcritty2812 honestly that's a good point and something I've always said the tick rate of servers exacerbate these issues greatly. I remember facing you, I don't think I used shiverstrike that much as an engagement tool because with glaives it's difficult to switch and shiverstrike mid air...but I've always said things like knockout are unplayable. Ggs on the match whatever the outcome. Btw I have a long video on my channel about my full opinion of titans called titans are always busted or garbage. Maybe that will help you understand my position better if interested
Yay! You finally showed the build!
Great build btw 😁
I’m definitely gonna try it out I’ve been trying to go flawless for the last 2 weeks it’s crazy hard. But you make it look easy 😎
I appreciate your kind words and I hope you have a great time with it!❤
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@Minimando23 I'll actually be live in about 49 mins if you're interested in see the build in action
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Nice mate; lovely build. If they make knickout not create langes, you gunna switch back to behemoth?
Not sure. Probably, but also thruster and knockout is and shiverstrike is such a good combo, that may have some things cooking with unbreakable
@SighDUX yup yup kinda figured. I do really think unbreakable is a bit slept on. There are some lovely combos with it; it just requires precise use I feel like so you don't get blasted the second you drop it
@Ginyasha- yeah exactly. But on the flip side. I also think Prismatic only has one synergy knockout and diamond lance. But thruster and drengrs lash also interests
@@SighDUX yehhh I'm kind of with you. Even with the nerfs to pris.atic hunter, I still see wayy more of those than the titans and half the time, the titan gets shotgunned before they can punch. I do like the drengrs lash thing but it seems inconsistent least without abeyant leap ya know?
@@Ginyasha- this may be a hot take. But if/when they nerf this interaction I don't think titan will be viable in end game pve, except on bubble. Remember we are moving towards a future of one of each class at least in trials or maybe comp. So 3 Behemoths won't be a thing. So to me that leaves void and prism which will drop from s tier to b or c tier imo. I'm not upset by that though the game is cyclical. Titans will rise up later. But if they move forward with that plan. I do not think titans will be the most viable class. I also understand the one kill Equals 3 is incredibly strong...in the right hands many times, most prism titans fail. And all of our value is about interacting with the enemy, we have to kill or break shields ECT. Where prism hunter is about the exact opposite. Smoke to stay away, decoy to stay away, swarm nade to stay away lol. I think it's cool that is a playstyle don't get me wrong. But I don't understand why being rewarded for aggression and getting a kill is as bad or worse to ability spamming all possible pushes. At least in the communities eyes
Also now that I think about it. I don't think I'll change a thing. Knockout is amazing whether it makes a diamond lance on a non stasis kill, I don't think it will impact my playstyle a ton. Since 70 percent of the time, I make it with a shiverstrike anyways.
Sorry for the book. Just thinking out loud and I think it will drop to b+ or a- it will still be good.
I just somthing similar but instead of a gl i use con and instead of pks i use alpha lupi and ophidian with a NRW Max ra ge shayura wit Dynamik and target.
Sounds similar but very different. Yours is a true dueling and lacks range. I always want a mid range option. Otherwise shotty and SMG can be too map situational. Sounds like a fun build tho
@SighDUX thanks
Shiver strike needs some SERIOUS tuning. Shit is absolutely not okay.
I disagree completely. It's buggy, has hit registration and if they have a shotgun and a brain you'll die just flying in. The only cheese it had was when you could immediately follow up with another melee for an immediate kill. Glad they removed that. GL someone and then following it up with a melee. Is one kill for a special shot and a full slow melee charge. I appreciate and respect your opinion though
@ I’m not sure what kinda bugs you’re getting cuz I’m confirming kills from like 30 meters with it. Especially when you can confirm a diamond lance off of it and get another free kill. Nothing else is even close to that powerful in the current sandbox.
@tcritty2812 getting a diamond lance from a shiverstrike has been a thing for 3 years. The only part I don't think you should be able to get a diamond lance from is a pure double melee knockout. Yes it can be a 1=3 kind of build. But honestly it has a high degree of risk. All of which is countered by smokes, well timed dodges, titan barricades, shotguns, fusions, uppercut melee from void locks, any source of slow. Since slow slams you to the ground and ruins shiverstrike. As far a bugs there are 3 that are confirmed. Right now if you hit a shiverstrike and die on connecting because of the delayed stasis explosion not going off since you're dead, they survive. Old shiverstrike wouldve been a trade. Secondly if a warlock is sitting in a recently created rift the shiverstrike won't connect most of the time, it hits some invisible barrier. 3rd the stasis explosion doesn't always go off or if it does, it doesn't always do the ten or so damage it is supposed to do.
As far as nothing else is as close to as powerful as that.
Lighting surge, ballistic slam, combination blow, and even grapple melee on hunter with right prismatic setup and exotic class item can blow up whole teams with a single melee. I think this setup is incredibly strong and a bit out of band and possibly needed of a nerf...but I do not think shiverstrike is the problem. As far as titans go, we are either busted or garbage since titans in pvp don't really have strong neutral games. As in we don't have much going for us besides our exotics or melees. There isn't a lot baked into the subclasses that are nuanced, high skill ceiling, or neutral heavy. It almost is always based around a kill or a melee.
Good examples of neutral game would be Dawnblades ability to shoot and fly at the same time with heat rises. That is only strong if you leverage it correctly. But it changes how you play completely. On hunter you have ways to increase handling with on your mark baked in or dodging to increase melee lunge without needing to break a shield, just dodge before an engagement and if you get the kill you get your dodge cooldown back, and when you dodge near an enemy you get your melee energy back. Or how grapple hunter with suspend dive creates an entirely new playstyle that is vastly different than radar manipulation void hunter.
Variety like that doesn't exist on titan. It's just different flavors of fists and depending on the patch we are busted or garbage. Sometimes busted too long.
I long for the day of a subclass that gives the depth and nuance I desire on titan.
I also don't want to see shiverstrike gutted because of prism. Where I think the problem to me is a passive knockout double regular melee equals diamond lance. I don't want to have base subclass suffer because of prism. It already has happened to hunter. Smoke going from 10 seconds on the floor down to 3 seconds did nothing but hurt void hunters ability to manipulate the radar. I do not think Behemoth needs to be nerfed more.
My last thought is a Dawnblade can do the same thing from the same distance. Float, Grenade launcher and clean up with a celestial fire, but they stay safe and far away. My reward for pushing in and being aggressive is the lance and I think that's far healthier than being rewarded for using knucklehead and pulsing in the back of the map.
Sorry for the book. Just my thoughts
@@SighDUX if the netcode for this game wasn’t as bad as it is i would agree with you. The melee desync within 10m makes melees like grapples and shiver strike damn near unhittable. Warlock gl c fire has been massively nerfed but can definitely still be oppressive. But that’s also a way more niche playstyle. Shiver strike and cqc meshes extremely well into a very easy playstyle for Titan anyway. I matched you last night with that glaive build and was definitely feeling the melee desync problems that have plagued this game since forever. I’m certainly not a fan of this current meta. And i despise the pulse handholding. But if that eventually gets axed. And smg’s see any sort of buff. Titan is going to absolutely run wild.
@tcritty2812 honestly that's a good point and something I've always said the tick rate of servers exacerbate these issues greatly. I remember facing you, I don't think I used shiverstrike that much as an engagement tool because with glaives it's difficult to switch and shiverstrike mid air...but I've always said things like knockout are unplayable. Ggs on the match whatever the outcome. Btw I have a long video on my channel about my full opinion of titans called titans are always busted or garbage. Maybe that will help you understand my position better if interested