The point of randori is to sharpen your senses in a controlled yet chaotic envirronment.Randori is an excercise of the mind and spirit.Not to see how many attacks you can disillusionly handle.
Randori (乱取り) is a term used in Japanese martial arts to describe free-style practice (sparring). The term denotes an exercise in 取り tori, applying technique to a random ( 乱 ran) succession of uke attacks. The actual connotation of randori depends on the martial art it is used in. So! Randori is SPARING you silly sods :-D
Because it's not about technique, it's about awaremess. Aikido is awareness training, and technique is secondary. "Keep one point" and do "unmoveable body". Let your attacker go on their way, and you get out of the way. You lose every time when you think you have to collide with your attacker in order to defend yourself or in order to overcome them. Overcoming them is: not being where their attack is happening. This is cultivating and training in greater awareness, so that you are not completely surprised or knocked off base when an attack happens, and so that you can recover quickly if an attacker takes you by surprise.
I practice aikido since i was 8, and my Master have the idea of "real" randori and we could defend us with any technique even kicks and punches I agree with you sir, we need sparring and recreate real life situations so we can see how aikido could work.
My randori is 80% iriminage and my iriminage is parry/dodge and punch to the face......usually the uke will fall because is uncomfortable to be punched in the face. I understand that you can make a iriminage round, long and full of grace........but I feel the short version is more realistic. And entering straight into a punch translates better from the japonese word anyway. Apart from that I don't like people approaching me. I don't like strangers coming too close. Could be my brazilian upbring. If someone gets too close I see as an agression and I will react before it turns into a fight.
The best thing i ever did in a street fight (and i've been in a couple) was to remain calm and relaxed. Difficult to do admittedly but really the only form of mastery you have to achieve is mastery over youself, to know your body, your mind, your emotions, to trust in how your body wants to move. Then, in a fight situation it is more like a dance or a ballet. You are so aligned with yourself and the situation at hand that there is a flow and grace to your movements and executions, an effortlessness that comes with mastery. Even though I don't practise martial arts anymore I still love to watch people practising themselves and people that have respect for the art like you guys. Thankyou
And in many countries that would be illegal. Minimum force required is the law in most of Europe and all ECL countries. Except America. In America you can practically vivisect an attacker and the courts will sheer you on. They have no respect for life in the US, but they sure are comfortable with their violence.
You're certainly mistaken -- America is not like that. That said, I'd go for finishing blows too. I'm not one for violence, but if I'm forced to defend myself, the aggressor's safety is of secondary concern.
potentialrandom yes, America *is* like that. Your police kill often and with impunity. Laws in many states allow anyone who simply "feels" threatened to use lethal force - nowhere else in the world could you gun down someone simply walking towards your front door and get away with it as "justified" (as has happened in FL and TX)
Right after posting that, I scrolled down to see your other comments. Had I seen them beforehand I wouldn't even have bothered responding to you. This conversation will go nowhere. I see no reason to continue it.
I sometimes get the impression that a lot of people confuse the techniques themselves with Aikido. As many have pointed out, the techniques for the most part are not unique to Aikido, but are shared with numerous other traditions. My understanding is that in the "old" days people weren't even allowed to train in Aikido unless they had black belts from some other discipline first. Nowadays people can start in Aikido with no prior martial arts background (as I did). Be that good or bad, that then leaves the Aikido instructor to start by teaching the techniques (or even how to punch and attack) before you can actually get to the Aikido. So what is Aikido? To me it is what separated that Samurai who won 100's of fights from the Samurai who managed to survive 10 or 20. Or the Samurai who could consistently survive battles against numerous common soldiers from those who died in battle. What is it that would separate these two Samurai -- who were both trained in the same techniques and traditions. The difference is that the Samurai who survived 100's of battles had mastered how to accomplish more by doing less. This is where Randori comes in. To win the battle while using less energy in each strike, and more of the opponent's energies against them. If a Samurai was tired or worn out after defeating 10 opponents, inevitably the 11th opponent would kill them. But there were some samurai for whom this didn't happen. The best samurai learned to attack their opponents' intent (and their minds) before they even came into contact. But how to practice that? First you start with the techniques, and then you explore and practice how to do execute the techniques with less energy. Eventually (ideally), the specific technique become irrelevant once you have mastered connecting with your opponent, and focusing your response against the inherent weakness that exists in any attack - even if it is for just a fraction of a second. Very difficult to do, and very hard to teach. I think that is the essence of Aikido. That's my $0.02. Flame away!
There was something i never really understood. Aikido was created in the year 1942 by Morihei Ueshiba, but most samurais died out about the late 1800s so how were they even able to use aikido in battle much less learn it?
I didn't mean to imply that the Samurai practiced "Aikido" as we know it today since it obviously didn't exist. But that is also true of many of the other modern martial arts. But the concepts of connection with the opponent, attacking the opponents' intent, movement of the center (rather than merely of the limbs) and other ideas that Aikido tries to capture were used. But as far as I know they were not collected into one training tradition as they are today. The point that I was trying to make (apparently poorly) is that Aikido seems to be a "second order" martial art. Kind of like the old 3M slogan "We don't make the (fill in the blank), we make it better". To continue the analogy, Aikido isn't really about the joint-locks and throws, it's about how to do them better, with more effect for less energy expenditure.
I suggest you read Anthony Cummins book on The Book of Samurai.... You will be shocked to learn that the samurai fought in packs in pitched battles, after the arrows, muskets, and long spear did the initial damage, often if not most of the time fought two or three against one!!.... They were headhunters, so the more heads they took the greater the prize and promotion they could expect according to the clan & tradition they served.... In effect, they were basically the same as most soldiers of fortune albeit with the romantic image portrayed by the Japanese of "Bushido" ....No different to the medieval history of most European countries.... I personally suspected that the romantic version of "Bushido" was something that came during the Edo period, after the Sengoku period of the warring states...
jehl1963 You're also leaving out the fact that the one who survived many more battles was just better period. Plenty of people train and learn how to fight, doesn't mean they will be elite. Just like the samurai you talk about some were fat and lazy and others trained their ass off. I'm sure the ones that trained hard made it to 100 while the fat ass died quickly. Aikido isn't effective against anyone who knows anything. It can get you by against bums but that's any freaking martial art.
Great video! I wish I had discovered your channel sooner. Nice to see some good and practical advice for uses in Randori. Sadly too many people think Randori mean "Show off" and either have their fellow students trained to fall over or simply battering them senseless. Both train nothing but the ego. A good understanding of movement, timing, distance, technique, and even psychology builds good Randori.
Actual questions, i'm all for adding alive practice, but atemis and double legs are usually not taught in the usual aikido dojo. What would be your advice for these dojos? Is "base" aikido not enough for self defense? Is cross training a necesity for the art to work? Where do you pull this techniques from? The more realistic aikido tries to get, the more i believe it should look at its ancestry (jujutsu), because while I believe aikido teaches some solid fundamentals, the teaching philosophy it has adopted has resulted in a "toothless art". Just my opinion, solid video, nice advice!
You have to remember where Aikido came from Aki Jujutsu (Daito Ryu) - to be used against armed and armoured combatants - and Morihei Ueshiba was a fantastic exponent of the art and gained many students because of his skill in that art. So the techniques are there, absolutely brutal when done correctly and have them ingrained. Though there are a lot of overhead techniques in Aikido/jujutsu and these things will never work in street defense, though they are needed to progress to higher echelons of the art just not street applicable - great if someone comes at you with a sword though :). You need to have to have the fundamental striking and blocking techniques. It's these two things that stop Aikido being practical as self-defense.
Xavier Rico aikido is jujitsu it is a higher version ... to make it work a good understanding of basic martial principles is needed .. if realism is not taught in your dojo. . You have two options 1 add it to your own training 2 leave You will waste years on stylised bullshit.
Ian, to say that aikido is a "higher" version I would disagree with .... The rest of your statement I would agree with.... Ueshiba wasn't as great as he was made out to be, which you don't hear or read about... As with any "religious" group, aikido is no exception where all the "purists" are concerned,... Ueshiba as aikido's guru was put on a pedestal and made out to be some kind of spiritual leader which was how Ueshiba was seen by a lot of his students, bar the few more non-religious and more rational ones that had done other martial arts. Ueshiba was good at what he did within his own circles because of his body conditioning and dedication to the HARD practice of AIKI JUJUTSU when he was young... After WW2 infused with his "spiritual enlightenment" he developed "Takemusu aikido" which his latter student Saito taught. Even Saito said that a lot of what you see as Ueshiba as an old man throwing strapping uchi deshi around was really those students being polite uke's and having respect for an old man. This is what irrational people believe and see, so take it as kosher like a lot of religious people do... Its unfortunate for aikido as a "martial art" but that's the way its gone, bar one or two styles, but even they have had splits over political differences and irrational thinking... It's about being rational and objective to what you are doing and being open-minded and not getting stuck in a "martial box" or "tradition" as that actually restricts your own evolvement in your own practice... ... You cant go against the grain when people are loathed to be rational and objective towards their own "religious" and biased thinking....I wrote two articles which have been eradicated from both Aikido Journal and the Aikiwebb forum because of my radical statements which you can read here.... habatakukaimartialarts.simplesite.com/430924286 Thats exactly what happened with the Aiki Kai annuls of its "history" of all those who were objectional and rational in their thinking, were just struck out, which is typically "Japanese" when it comes to telling it as it really was....
Yes but was O'sensei being the rebel to Daito Ryu. As he thought is was wrong to hurt the uke and being the reincarnation of the dragon King. He also lived through a atomic blast as well, I mean how many of us can say that - and that has to affect your world view. I mean the hippy movement sort of grew out of that.
In aiki jujutsu, atemi was always the precursor in dealing with real on attacks... Any wrist, elbow or joint techniques are/were always secondary. If you have no idea of how to use atemi or have no atemi skills, you will most likely end up getting filled in... I was only nice once in my life and got filled in by not wanting to hurt my aggressor and the people who surrounded us... I paid the price for being nice as you know full well Ondrej... Since then I have taken steps to make SURE that any aggressor was not able to get up and do that to me ever again.... If it meant breaking a limb after hitting them, then so be it!! Demonstrations of avoiding multi-attackers IS bullshit... I've only ever demonstrated with two maximum and even then I was being nice!! If there is more than one, you take out the nearest as fast as possible and that means take out and knock out, not play with him... I reason it to not actually killing your assailant, by just putting him down and hoping he doesn't get up again, because if you think that, you are in serious trouble!! Survival is absolutely the name of the game when the odds are against you and I'm of the attitude of hit first, twist and break if necessary, ask questions later!! In any courtroom, (and I've been there!!) if the odds were against you, you will win the day... Most modern aikido IS bullshit and sadly there will always be the hippy hoppy intellectual delusional individual twat who thinks that you grab my wrist and do a nice slow shomen uchi, we'll do our kata nicely, will suffice... They are totally and completely living on another planet and sadly giving real aikido a very bad image, even to the point where I've come to disassociate with it and now teach what works for me, and teach people what works for them and leave out the rest, as its obsolete BS!!... I enjoyed coming up to train a bit with you guys, and hopefully gave you a bit of insight, but in all honesty, and don't take it in the wrong way, I was doing this type of training and practice before you were born...
Well that's your slant on it and if you want "spirituality" thats fine, but you can get that in any religion that you choose to follow, but don't expect your "grab my wrist flowery aikido" to work when somebody wants to really take your head off, you will be in for a massive "trauma"...
The one you like and are best at, but do others as well, so that you get to have an all-round knowledge... Real fights don't last more than a few seconds, as you need to take them out as fast as possible.... He who hesitates is lost and WILL get you filled in, that I guarantee you, but in reaity you have to be viciously quick as there are no rules... The trick is in not going too far if you are the "victor" as once they are down and look as if they've had enough, just get the hell out of it or run (unless you have back up!!)... There is that possibility that he/she may have mates around who WILL take umbridge to you knocking their "friend" out!!.... MMA and UFC octagon fights are people who are fairly well sized up in martial skills so its a matter of the best on the day who wins the match... Real street attacks are unpredictable and you just don't know whether they are carrying or what tactic they are going to use, but you can bet your life that most bullies will attack an easy target... Don't be the easy target and ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings without being paranoid about it...
Tony Wagstaffe I see the ego is strutting in this one. Lovey, they never claimed to be anything original, and you're definitely nothing new under the sun.
I really liked this video! Thank you for making this stuff, it actually helps me to get a better understanding of my practise at the dojo. Keep it up and be safe :)
Absolutely! You boys are spot on once again. Traditional Randori in a traditional aikido setting is ridiculous at best. I see randori as learning to use the available space, keeping calm and breathing properly while coming under a barrage of proper, meaningfull attacks. Getting proper aikido techniques off should not be the priority, but deflecting punches, pushes and grabs is. Randori done right is also a really good workout. Well done once again boys.
The randori outcome is implicitly agreed upon by all the participants before it even begins. One guy who knows how to shoot a proper double leg would put an end to aikido randori instantly, but that would break the agreement. One guy who knows how to secure gi grips, or how to apply a proper muay thai clinch, how to use leg kicks, or control distance with the jab, or simply how to coordinate with the people on his "team". Hell, one guy who was just really and truly 100% sincere about dragging tori to the mat, or even just holding tori long enough for the next person to drag him to the mat, would put an end to randori instantly. But all of these are violations of the randor agreement. Unfortunately, the randori agreement disqualifies the sorts of things that real people will do in real life. It kind of has to be limited, because fighting more than one person and winning is not realistic, especially if you arent allowed to hit them.
I love ya even more for your honesty.. aikido is not a martial art but a marital art for loving dysfuntional families.That is why it must be adapted to hurt the people who don't love you, and you don't love.I love the techniques. I love the "I am not afraid of you I do not need to damage you" idea when i get an opponent that warrants a thought like that.I was attacked by a 70 year old woman last year at the bike rally..She grabbed my shoulder strap to throw me down i shrugged my shoulder so she would not fall, she had me in a bear hug i turned my face to save her embarrassment.her boy friend was dying and his family was being mean to her..My main martial art is mental illness, and Hannibal lecture is my role model. I flip the switch and I am full on red faced mad in a second, I just blamed this guy for every terrible thing that ever happened in my life, and I am thinking "i got you now "chicken vaccuum" you are dead meat." I put up the asking hands and it is clear I am asking to give a beating or get a beating..My tae kan do instructor said "man i feel you step on the matt to spar, and i am glad you are not mad at me"...I needed that high fight drop for the low fight technique, and thanks for that. I had a run in with a sex offender a few years ago about a fouteen year old girl that was pregnant and making movies for him. I tried every cop angle I could and he told everybody he and his son were looking for me..I told every body I hope they find me I am biting that sex offender on the nuts and never let go..I thought it would be later in the fight...now it is gonna be first thing, high hands like you said then drop like you said.then head but that stomache and bite them nuts, never ever ever let go, just keep chewing and twisting til they are bitten off..I I can get it on video it will go viral...
It depends now on the practitioner if how he make Aikido work for self defense. Aikido have hand strikes called atemi. but I think the usual strike in Aikido is the Kokyu nage which is always use by Segal.
Randori is not really meant to be realistic. It's a training tool, and a really good one at that. It helps you with your footwork and it helps you get accustomed to multiple attackers. What is more, it's a SAFE training tool. You don't see boxers shadow boxing in a real street fight. Same thing. You start with a safe method of training and once you get the basics down, you start with experienced training partners coming in full speed with power.
U guys for me have 2 get a few more guys in this video and redo it. I noticed u guys never have more than 1 attacker in ur videos get a couple of attackers and then simulate it. U have showed it in slow mo so plz try and show it a bit faster as well, as that might hit home. Show it slow and then faster even if u have to get the sparring gear as you have done on other vids. Honestly i am beyond impressed with these videos can't complain with the content i have seen i hope you guys can reach more people as the state in this country with violence is beyond words disgusting may be one word to describe it hats off to you guys. My friend pointed me towards aikido as i was looking into mma. I myself by watching a few aikido vids saw the flaws n it is amazing you guys are actually trying to tweak it haha i have no more words left. I am shocked that it can even be tweaked. Hope to hear a response... Keep up the good work!
very good thanks, With the choke hold i was shown by a police officer a sharp stamp on the toes makes them think then when they are off guard apply the elbow to the mid and head /neck reagion superb thank,s please recommend a gym in bournemouth 53 by the way But fit netherther the less i think thank's Russ
Yes, unless you're incapable of understanding the points they're making. The way they did was actually very good - and nicely edited. It makes it clear what is going on and you can see what they're talking about.
Kaz lemon basic definitions aren't "fantasy land", sweety. They're two different, but very related, things. Wallowing in your abject ignorance isn't really a good look for you. And thanks for your concern about my safety in a real fight. So far, in the three occasions I've been in real fights, it's turned out ok. Maybe one day I can be lucky like you and have a couple of sports competition fights with rules and nice clean surfaces to fight on so I learn what is all about. Idiot.
The main advantage of randori is building reflexes. Sure the actual act of randori isn’t realistic, but the practice of it builds reflexes for when you have someone coming at you throwing hands. Reflex development is what makes aikido so effective, not necessarily the actual techniques of aikido. That’s why randori is one of the most crucial aspects of aikido.
I think you guys should change the titles of your videos. They get your attention, but it seems you are discrediting Aikido a bit too much. Your videos look like good practical street guides on how to use Aikido moves effectively against real life attacks. That is a great; but Aikido is effective and practical, and it teaches body awareness, preparedness, where to move your body, and how to disable an attacker. What is taught and practiced in the dojo will of course look totally different in a street situation, and that's not wrong, that's just how it is. Of course nothing is going to look "pretty" or flow like it does in class, because a real human being is not going to take ukemi. But I do find your videos helplful in making me think about how someone might attack on the street, and I have a better idea of how to deal with that sort of situation with you two demonstrating some practical moves. And learning randori in class HELPS us to think of ways to deal with multiple attackers, like when you spoke of the human shield thing.
Thats why i like aikido a lot. Coz in self defense if you killed the attacker thats still a homeside, you still going to face the consequence of killing the person. So i like the philosophy that its a self defense that do not destroy an opponent. There are countries that if you killed your attacker even in self defense you not just going to jail, they'll behead you.
Surely it depends on how you practice randori. ... I practiced tomiki aikido for 23 years.. we were always grappling and countering. My particular club used strikes and stalked each other looking for a chance to attack . Rather than just running at tori. . We would never just grab but every grab was followed by a strike.. it was messy hardly ever graceful but it worked .. We did also practice ninindori and sanindori or 2 and 3 onto one .. we practiced the traditional way that has nothing to do with fighting ..it is about controlling people that rush at you .. And we practiced a more real way where no one rushed at anyone they just attacked.. so the statement is wrong .it is your intent in randori. .that will stop it working .. We discovered all aikido is 95% or more atemi. And we discovered What looks good and what works are two different things. I now teach a practical self defense have done for 5 years.. it incorporates aikido, jujitsu, dirty boxing. .. aikido works as well as these others .. I have had many people say your aikido works only because of these others .. That is bullshit aikido works , randori works as long as you are actually testing each other ... forget becoming a master of pre set moves against prearranged attacks . Get real in your training. . Fighting is not stylised. . Aikido practice can be ... you spend 10 ,20,30 years doing stylised fighting .. it will never ever work outside of your style ...
I do suggest you wonderful aikidoka folks check out what Tomiki (Shodokan) Aikido does in what they call “randori”. Single attacker, but the uke is allowed to resist any technique attempted. There’s more to it than that, but I hope it peeks your interest.
“WHERE IS YOUR SITUATION AWARENESS......!!!”. In Randari a group of three or more is easy to handle ,it when it’s two or less that you ready have to be paying attention to your situation. It very important to pay attention to your movements In keeping moving,not away from the sort of danger,but moving into it ,using setting imime and tendon movements. BUT YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SiTUATION.
3:17 - "You don't have to deal with him anymore"... if he's a compliant uke. Chances are very high that if he misses that initial punch and you "attempt" a double leg takedown, he WILL grab onto you for his dear life, and the result is that he pulls you down to the ground... and now you are in a worse situation than before because his buddies are kicking your head in. Instead of doing slow, compliant demonstrations on the street in "street clothes" how about you demonstrate at SPEED with a resisting opponent on the mat for safety to show us just how well these things really work?
You sort of assumed your attackers are defeated. Which I don’t like. You could have left it at the “3 guys means you probably lose” and the suggested that you keep space and try to make a scene. Then you could have gone over some techniques that are very high percentage and don’t open you up to be attacked
spar alot, spar with people who don't share the same martial art as you, try different martial arts. most martial arts classes are happy to let a well trained martial artist join them for a free session.
Ondrej, please let me know what you think after checking out Lenny sly's videos. I'm sure he has the answers you've been looking for.The Rogue Warriors.
excelente amigo... la verdad es que la realidad en la calle es otra al comparar el ejercicio en un dojo (tatami)... en la calle duele el golpo y el oponente usa muy bien el concepto de lo que es emboscar... saludos
Let me (kind of) disagree with one thing you said - nobody grabs you - true, but the grabs are form and learning process only. The katatedori, katadori, morotedori, riotedori are, in my oppinion, reference points for jabs or kicks or any sort of attack (low, mid or high). Also, people don't leave your puch - true - but they don't have to if your taisabaki is preformed properly.
I think getting out of a real fight with minimum damage is related with the control of adrenalin. I mean if you can succeed in controlling your emotions and calm down, you have a chance. Aikido is weak from this aspect, because the attacks, the scenarios are not real. So you never get excited during exercises and can't learn to control your emotions. As a conclusion, No pain, No gain my friends...
I think its not aikido does not work. Maybe you have not mastered randori yet. it may work but maybe not perfect. When can make aikido if we try to train and apply it's principles.
what I would do is, Ikkyo the first person, and in the ikkyo of course I would spin around and see the other two, so I wont lock the first guy and walk back to safe distance. if all of my opponents are in front of me, it is easier to deal with. I would just kicking two people so they are not gang me up and ikkyo the third person to lock him. I would threaten the other two that I will break the arm if they still want to fight. if they are chilling down, I would pull the guy I lock and push him to the group and walk back while watching them. but if they still go on me after I lock one of their guy, then I would break the arm and lock another one and threaten the third guy. if it is still goes on then I will need to break all of their arms
Or maybe Randori don't work because it needs something like 6th sense for Ki no nagare and immense amount of practical experience? Something you won't often found in nowadays Dojo, expecially Aikido ones. People think that Aikido is a dance - they've got a dance. Everyone happy.
Why are you standing in the same place like a punching bag? Assuming there’s only one attacker is also a pretty big mistake. You can grab his legs and tackle him, but odds are at least two more guys are coming to stomp on you while you’re on the ground.
Aikido never stops working. You can be ill in a hospital bed and still practice Aikido - especially then, in fact. It is easy to practice at the dojo on a mat with friends - much more difficult to apply the priciples to daily life, when we are in a weakened state.
Why does "Aikidoflow" concentrate on putting down Aikido? OF COURSE theory and practice are different. But what should we people who don't get into fights do? Without any previous experience in martial arts, three years of Aikido have given me a tremendous focus on self defense without ever suffering the slightest injury. I see that practicing with an opponent in a staged way that is not a win/lose contest is a positive way to prepare for the real world. It is like airplane pilots practicing emergency situations on a simulator without having to risk a real crash. One recognizes that Aikido is not a way to maintain a fight but a quick way to resolve an attack as soon as it starts, a one time move with even the element of surprise. And if one cannot end it right away, one still has some advantage over the one who doesn't know the art. If randori "does not work", like is claimed here, why would countless practitioners of Aikido do it consistently? Are they all idiots? Or does this video make a false claim of what it is supposed to be?
No one art is enough, must be skilled in multiple areas in combat. Easier today with mma, years ago you spend 30yrs obtaining blackbelts in muliple arts.
Umm, Ive practieced aikido for years and it has definetly helped me deal with the situation of being jumped by street thugs here in Cali.. tho I would prefer to not live in a shithole neighborhood where groups of Illegals are allowed to prey on people but.. God bless Randori
This is horrible. No details on how to avoid getting caught in the double leg. That RNC defense wouldn't work if they locked it in with the second arm. But at least they are honest about the fact that it's extremely hard to defend against multiple attackers.
I'm sorry you haven't been able to grasp the more intricate parts of Aikido. It takes a long time. You should look into Lenny Slys version and tell me what you think. RogueWarriors.com
I'll have to say that not only have you not trained, but you also haven't had the time to actually get the knowledge of what he was talking about in the videos.
James Carter, I'll have to say that i am a black belt in Daido Juku Karate and a purple belt in BJJ. This is my real account and that is my real picture. You are not an Aikidoka. You are just James Carter. Probably not even your real name. Keep living in a fantasy world.
Ray Michael sorry to burst your bubble young man. But I'm not a fly on the wall talking out the side of my neck like so many are. I've been studying Martial Arts for 51 years. And a lifetime student. Out of those my Aikido started in 1981. I've trained the military and police forces worldwide. And at present have dojos in Colorado where I do the same. You are more than welcome to come see me. I mentioned Lenny Sly because I am on the same path as him with Aikido. Have been for a while. I have masters in quite a few styles. But again, that doesn't matter. You just need to know that the only reason people say things don't work is because you haven't put in enough time to make your muscles commit to memory of technique. Plus don't limit what you have to learn. That's all there is. It always easier to just say that doesn't work and move on because your lazy. Plus I did notice you haven't studied Aikido long enough to have an opinion. Randori takes years to Master. And it should resemble a real fight with kicks, punches, throws and anything else you can muster to fully get a grasp. But again. You haven't been doing that. Just doing BJJ and some other stuff. But you feel you're qualified to have an opinion on Aikido. While you're at it call up Gracie and give them the run down on how they should make BJJ more street applicable. You're an expert in that too.
If they are just falling down they aren't doing their job as uke. Some times the just falling is in avoidance of a strike or connection to the partner that causes a loss of balance. In early stages of learning randori avoidance of entanglement , movement , positioning, is the object. Techniques are not always encouraged at this stage because the student becomes entangled in a struggle trying to execute a technique that's not there and being trapped by other attackers. The turns in Aikido are to let you see what's coming from other directions and to line your attacks up. You talk about things not happening a certain way . Well your demo, , it doesn't usually work that way . You aren't covering you back and the time you spend on one person is to long. Usually they aren't waiting ,the other two would have you while your dealing with the first. Aikido form of randori is more effective giving a better chance of survival. First guy attacks , deflect punch while entering past him , elbow to head or strike to groin or ribs some form of iriminage ect. Then go to next guy who didn't get to your back because you put the first guy between you. 2nd guy punches. You only deflect and avoid him and confront 3rd guy . You get a good rib shot on him the 2 is back . Well 1 and 3 have backed off he follows suit. Of course multiple attackers are dangerous. You may get caught but the longer you survive and use hit and move on tactics the better your chance
Hmm Maybe your aikido doesn't work. Mine works fine . . . WHY are you not aware of who is behind you? WHY are you still there? If you don't understand randori why criticise it?
As far as I know "none" of traditional martial arts, including Aikidodo, do 3:07 . 1) Why? because there is great chance of you being captured by your opponent and that is when 2nd guy will come after you 2) or he may attack backside of your head or neck or even squeeze his fingers to your eyes or maybe go for neck choke 3) You also have to expect opponent grabbing a knife on the street. And Once it happens, no matter how many times you practice this technique... it is obsolete as well as waste of time. Most Traditional martial arts have a core principle which is applicable to 1) weapon 2) striking 3) take down 4) submission Aikido do have that principle too and Westers tend to forget about that "core." because you guys are so sports oriented.
Well sure, randori isn’t going to work if you just stand there like a punching bag. In my training, randori was never meant to stand up & fight multiple attackers and ‘win’ - but to tenkan iriminage your ass out of the situation. If you’re going to stand & duke it out with uke, train in a different martial art, Aikido is not for you.
I enjoy the fun you guys have in your videos, but tackling and throwing elbows are not Aikido. I doubt this kind of teaching would come from a school officially recognized by Japan. If he has a knife or a gun or is simply bigger than you, going for a tackle would be a serious mistake. I don't see any Aikido technique or concept presented here. Your lack of calmness, posture, and ki extension at 1:38 clearly shows that you don't know how to perform a simple sankyo. Just a note to anyone watching that is actually interested in Aikido, please find a dojo near you and give it a shot. You will be surprised at what it isn't.
Of course tackling and throwing elbows are part of aikido. They are practical aspects that need to be learnt, along with heading towards the eventual goal of all the less-hitty stuff. ;) :) I've seen shihan (Masuda) do some amazing things that didn't look real, but I could see the timing and technique were near perfect and it was *very* real. And I've also seen shihan (Shibata) simply put an elbow in someone's throat and end an attack with the person carted off to hospital shortly after. It's all about time, place, and need.
True! I can understand if an atemi is then followed up with an actual technique, rather than slugging it out hoping for the best, but that is not what is demonstrated here. They just say finish quickly, which is very open to interpretation, and injury, to those who don't even train. We practice no-touch techniques that can end an attack with the right timing and probably years of practice - but in reality it won't, and they'll just get hit. Chiba Sensei has some excellent sword demonstrations where he's just so intimidating the attack is stopped immediately, lol.
Have you ever consider that you didnt learn and pratices Randori in right way? Your base idea for this exercise is wrong. First of all you need to move, not to stand and exchange punches with attacker. Second no body ever sad that if you pratice Randori you will know how to defend against multiple attackers. You can only learn in which direction to move, so you can evade attack, so you can go away from fight, better to say run. I'm realy sorry that people that pratice aikido see randori exercise in this way. It makes me wonder what kind of people teach you aikido? No wonder aikido is consider feak martial art, when people that train aikido do not understend aikido teaching.
EVERYTHING IN AIKIDO WORKS it only depend from the student ... all martial art are like this (i hope you understand, my english is not so good) bye bye from argentina 😊
Kicking in randori? I think your instructor was less than qualified. In aikido you pretty much never kick because it puts you off balance and leaves you exposed.
You cannot simply fake covering your head and then go for a take down. There is a good chance you would get a knee to the face. Your opponent does not stand still. You have to test yourself against real opponents like AikidoSiauliai has been doing. Please get in an actual MMA competition and see how well things go before doing anymore dog and pony show videos.
The point of randori is to sharpen your senses in a controlled yet chaotic envirronment.Randori is an excercise of the mind and spirit.Not to see how many attacks you can disillusionly handle.
Randori (乱取り) is a term used in Japanese martial arts to describe free-style practice (sparring). The term denotes an exercise in 取り tori, applying technique to a random ( 乱 ran) succession of uke attacks. The actual connotation of randori depends on the martial art it is used in.
So! Randori is SPARING you silly sods :-D
Because it's not about technique, it's about awaremess. Aikido is awareness training, and technique is secondary. "Keep one point" and do "unmoveable body". Let your attacker go on their way, and you get out of the way. You lose every time when you think you have to collide with your attacker in order to defend yourself or in order to overcome them. Overcoming them is: not being where their attack is happening. This is cultivating and training in greater awareness, so that you are not completely surprised or knocked off base when an attack happens, and so that you can recover quickly if an attacker takes you by surprise.
I practice aikido since i was 8, and my Master have the idea of "real" randori and we could defend us with any technique even kicks and punches
I agree with you sir, we need sparring and recreate real life situations so we can see how aikido could work.
i love that your exploring aikido and updated it
Do you guys do open sparring? And if not, why not?
My randori is 80% iriminage and my iriminage is parry/dodge and punch to the face......usually the uke will fall because is uncomfortable to be punched in the face.
I understand that you can make a iriminage round, long and full of grace........but I feel the short version is more realistic. And entering straight into a punch translates better from the japonese word anyway.
Apart from that I don't like people approaching me. I don't like strangers coming too close. Could be my brazilian upbring. If someone gets too close I see as an agression and I will react before it turns into a fight.
Are you practicing Tenshin?
@@zareh805 I believe any practical approach will have some points in common with tenshin...
The best thing i ever did in a street fight (and i've been in a couple) was to remain calm and relaxed. Difficult to do admittedly but really the only form of mastery you have to achieve is mastery over youself, to know your body, your mind, your emotions, to trust in how your body wants to move. Then, in a fight situation it is more like a dance or a ballet. You are so aligned with yourself and the situation at hand that there is a flow and grace to your movements and executions, an effortlessness that comes with mastery. Even though I don't practise martial arts anymore I still love to watch people practising themselves and people that have respect for the art like you guys. Thankyou
Beautiful. Yes.
Very practical but I suggest finishing blows to neutralize the aggressor after those techniques have been applied
And in many countries that would be illegal. Minimum force required is the law in most of Europe and all ECL countries. Except America. In America you can practically vivisect an attacker and the courts will sheer you on. They have no respect for life in the US, but they sure are comfortable with their violence.
You're certainly mistaken -- America is not like that.
That said, I'd go for finishing blows too. I'm not one for violence, but if I'm forced to defend myself, the aggressor's safety is of secondary concern.
potentialrandom yes, America *is* like that. Your police kill often and with impunity. Laws in many states allow anyone who simply "feels" threatened to use lethal force - nowhere else in the world could you gun down someone simply walking towards your front door and get away with it as "justified" (as has happened in FL and TX)
Right after posting that, I scrolled down to see your other comments. Had I seen them beforehand I wouldn't even have bothered responding to you.
This conversation will go nowhere. I see no reason to continue it.
I sometimes get the impression that a lot of people confuse the techniques themselves with Aikido. As many have pointed out, the techniques for the most part are not unique to Aikido, but are shared with numerous other traditions. My understanding is that in the "old" days people weren't even allowed to train in Aikido unless they had black belts from some other discipline first. Nowadays people can start in Aikido with no prior martial arts background (as I did). Be that good or bad, that then leaves the Aikido instructor to start by teaching the techniques (or even how to punch and attack) before you can actually get to the Aikido. So what is Aikido? To me it is what separated that Samurai who won 100's of fights from the Samurai who managed to survive 10 or 20. Or the Samurai who could consistently survive battles against numerous common soldiers from those who died in battle. What is it that would separate these two Samurai -- who were both trained in the same techniques and traditions. The difference is that the Samurai who survived 100's of battles had mastered how to accomplish more by doing less. This is where Randori comes in. To win the battle while using less energy in each strike, and more of the opponent's energies against them. If a Samurai was tired or worn out after defeating 10 opponents, inevitably the 11th opponent would kill them. But there were some samurai for whom this didn't happen. The best samurai learned to attack their opponents' intent (and their minds) before they even came into contact. But how to practice that? First you start with the techniques, and then you explore and practice how to do execute the techniques with less energy. Eventually (ideally), the specific technique become irrelevant once you have mastered connecting with your opponent, and focusing your response against the inherent weakness that exists in any attack - even if it is for just a fraction of a second. Very difficult to do, and very hard to teach. I think that is the essence of Aikido. That's my $0.02. Flame away!
There was something i never really understood. Aikido was created in the year 1942 by Morihei Ueshiba, but most samurais died out about the late 1800s so how were they even able to use aikido in battle much less learn it?
I didn't mean to imply that the Samurai practiced "Aikido" as we know it today since it obviously didn't exist. But that is also true of many of the other modern martial arts. But the concepts of connection with the opponent, attacking the opponents' intent, movement of the center (rather than merely of the limbs) and other ideas that Aikido tries to capture were used. But as far as I know they were not collected into one training tradition as they are today. The point that I was trying to make (apparently poorly) is that Aikido seems to be a "second order" martial art. Kind of like the old 3M slogan "We don't make the (fill in the blank), we make it better". To continue the analogy, Aikido isn't really about the joint-locks and throws, it's about how to do them better, with more effect for less energy expenditure.
I suggest you read Anthony Cummins book on The Book of Samurai.... You will be shocked to learn that the samurai fought in packs in pitched battles, after the arrows, muskets, and long spear did the initial damage, often if not most of the time fought two or three against one!!.... They were headhunters, so the more heads they took the greater the prize and promotion they could expect according to the clan & tradition they served.... In effect, they were basically the same as most soldiers of fortune albeit with the romantic image portrayed by the Japanese of "Bushido" ....No different to the medieval history of most European countries.... I personally suspected that the romantic version of "Bushido" was something that came during the Edo period, after the Sengoku period of the warring states...
this is one of the better definitions/understandings of Aikido I have ever seen on UA-cam. Nice job, mate.
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You're also leaving out the fact that the one who survived many more battles was just better period. Plenty of people train and learn how to fight, doesn't mean they will be elite. Just like the samurai you talk about some were fat and lazy and others trained their ass off. I'm sure the ones that trained hard made it to 100 while the fat ass died quickly. Aikido isn't effective against anyone who knows anything. It can get you by against bums but that's any freaking martial art.
Great video! I wish I had discovered your channel sooner. Nice to see some good and practical advice for uses in Randori. Sadly too many people think Randori mean "Show off" and either have their fellow students trained to fall over or simply battering them senseless. Both train nothing but the ego. A good understanding of movement, timing, distance, technique, and even psychology builds good Randori.
Sherlock Investigates Japan there is no good randori,Especially the way you see it in videos on this channel.
Actual questions, i'm all for adding alive practice, but atemis and double legs are usually not taught in the usual aikido dojo. What would be your advice for these dojos? Is "base" aikido not enough for self defense? Is cross training a necesity for the art to work? Where do you pull this techniques from?
The more realistic aikido tries to get, the more i believe it should look at its ancestry (jujutsu), because while I believe aikido teaches some solid fundamentals, the teaching philosophy it has adopted has resulted in a "toothless art".
Just my opinion, solid video, nice advice!
You've got that in a nutshell...
You have to remember where Aikido came from Aki Jujutsu (Daito Ryu) - to be used against armed and armoured combatants - and Morihei Ueshiba was a fantastic exponent of the art and gained many students because of his skill in that art. So the techniques are there, absolutely brutal when done correctly and have them ingrained. Though there are a lot of overhead techniques in Aikido/jujutsu and these things will never work in street defense, though they are needed to progress to higher echelons of the art just not street applicable - great if someone comes at you with a sword though :). You need to have to have the fundamental striking and blocking techniques. It's these two things that stop Aikido being practical as self-defense.
Xavier Rico aikido is jujitsu it is a higher version ... to make it work a good understanding of basic martial principles is needed .. if realism is not taught in your dojo. . You have two options
1 add it to your own training
2 leave
You will waste years on stylised bullshit.
Ian, to say that aikido is a "higher" version I would disagree with .... The rest of your statement I would agree with.... Ueshiba wasn't as great as he was made out to be, which you don't hear or read about... As with any "religious" group, aikido is no exception where all the "purists" are concerned,... Ueshiba as aikido's guru was put on a pedestal and made out to be some kind of spiritual leader which was how Ueshiba was seen by a lot of his students, bar the few more non-religious and more rational ones that had done other martial arts. Ueshiba was good at what he did within his own circles because of his body conditioning and dedication to the HARD practice of AIKI JUJUTSU when he was young... After WW2 infused with his "spiritual enlightenment" he developed "Takemusu aikido" which his latter student Saito taught. Even Saito said that a lot of what you see as Ueshiba as an old man throwing strapping uchi deshi around was really those students being polite uke's and having respect for an old man. This is what irrational people believe and see, so take it as kosher like a lot of religious people do... Its unfortunate for aikido as a "martial art" but that's the way its gone, bar one or two styles, but even they have had splits over political differences and irrational thinking... It's about being rational and objective to what you are doing and being open-minded and not getting stuck in a "martial box" or "tradition" as that actually restricts your own evolvement in your own practice... ... You cant go against the grain when people are loathed to be rational and objective towards their own "religious" and biased thinking....I wrote two articles which have been eradicated from both Aikido Journal and the Aikiwebb forum because of my radical statements which you can read here.... habatakukaimartialarts.simplesite.com/430924286
Thats exactly what happened with the Aiki Kai annuls of its "history" of all those who were objectional and rational in their thinking, were just struck out, which is typically "Japanese" when it comes to telling it as it really was....
Yes but was O'sensei being the rebel to Daito Ryu. As he thought is was wrong to hurt the uke and being the reincarnation of the dragon King. He also lived through a atomic blast as well, I mean how many of us can say that - and that has to affect your world view. I mean the hippy movement sort of grew out of that.
In aiki jujutsu, atemi was always the precursor in dealing with real on attacks... Any wrist, elbow or joint techniques are/were always secondary. If you have no idea of how to use atemi or have no atemi skills, you will most likely end up getting filled in... I was only nice once in my life and got filled in by not wanting to hurt my aggressor and the people who surrounded us... I paid the price for being nice as you know full well Ondrej... Since then I have taken steps to make SURE that any aggressor was not able to get up and do that to me ever again.... If it meant breaking a limb after hitting them, then so be it!! Demonstrations of avoiding multi-attackers IS bullshit... I've only ever demonstrated with two maximum and even then I was being nice!! If there is more than one, you take out the nearest as fast as possible and that means take out and knock out, not play with him... I reason it to not actually killing your assailant, by just putting him down and hoping he doesn't get up again, because if you think that, you are in serious trouble!! Survival is absolutely the name of the game when the odds are against you and I'm of the attitude of hit first, twist and break if necessary, ask questions later!! In any courtroom, (and I've been there!!) if the odds were against you, you will win the day... Most modern aikido IS bullshit and sadly there will always be the hippy hoppy intellectual delusional individual twat who thinks that you grab my wrist and do a nice slow shomen uchi, we'll do our kata nicely, will suffice... They are totally and completely living on another planet and sadly giving real aikido a very bad image, even to the point where I've come to disassociate with it and now teach what works for me, and teach people what works for them and leave out the rest, as its obsolete BS!!... I enjoyed coming up to train a bit with you guys, and hopefully gave you a bit of insight, but in all honesty, and don't take it in the wrong way, I was doing this type of training and practice before you were born...
Tony Wagstaffe totally agree with this statement
Well that's your slant on it and if you want "spirituality" thats fine, but you can get that in any religion that you choose to follow, but don't expect your "grab my wrist flowery aikido" to work when somebody wants to really take your head off, you will be in for a massive "trauma"...
Tony Wagstaffe So what kind of martial art you suggest us to take ???
The one you like and are best at, but do others as well, so that you get to have an all-round knowledge... Real fights don't last more than a few seconds, as you need to take them out as fast as possible.... He who hesitates is lost and WILL get you filled in, that I guarantee you, but in reaity you have to be viciously quick as there are no rules... The trick is in not going too far if you are the "victor" as once they are down and look as if they've had enough, just get the hell out of it or run (unless you have back up!!)... There is that possibility that he/she may have mates around who WILL take umbridge to you knocking their "friend" out!!.... MMA and UFC octagon fights are people who are fairly well sized up in martial skills so its a matter of the best on the day who wins the match... Real street attacks are unpredictable and you just don't know whether they are carrying or what tactic they are going to use, but you can bet your life that most bullies will attack an easy target... Don't be the easy target and ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings without being paranoid about it...
Tony Wagstaffe I see the ego is strutting in this one.
Lovey, they never claimed to be anything original, and you're definitely nothing new under the sun.
I really liked this video! Thank you for making this stuff, it actually helps me to get a better understanding of my practise at the dojo. Keep it up and be safe :)
Why I love this channel. Because u keep it real With aikido
Absolutely! You boys are spot on once again. Traditional Randori in a traditional aikido setting is ridiculous at best. I see randori as learning to use the available space, keeping calm and breathing properly while coming under a barrage of proper, meaningfull attacks. Getting proper aikido techniques off should not be the priority, but deflecting punches, pushes and grabs is. Randori done right is also a really good workout.
Well done once again boys.
The randori outcome is implicitly agreed upon by all the participants before it even begins. One guy who knows how to shoot a proper double leg would put an end to aikido randori instantly, but that would break the agreement. One guy who knows how to secure gi grips, or how to apply a proper muay thai clinch, how to use leg kicks, or control distance with the jab, or simply how to coordinate with the people on his "team". Hell, one guy who was just really and truly 100% sincere about dragging tori to the mat, or even just holding tori long enough for the next person to drag him to the mat, would put an end to randori instantly. But all of these are violations of the randor agreement. Unfortunately, the randori agreement disqualifies the sorts of things that real people will do in real life. It kind of has to be limited, because fighting more than one person and winning is not realistic, especially if you arent allowed to hit them.
this is a good video and topic, needs more people involved on the street or dojo
I love ya even more for your honesty.. aikido is not a martial art but a marital art for loving dysfuntional families.That is why it must be adapted to hurt the people who don't love you, and you don't love.I love the techniques. I love the "I am not afraid of you I do not need to damage you" idea when i get an opponent that warrants a thought like that.I was attacked by a 70 year old woman last year at the bike rally..She grabbed my shoulder strap to throw me down i shrugged my shoulder so she would not fall, she had me in a bear hug i turned my face to save her embarrassment.her boy friend was dying and his family was being mean to her..My main martial art is mental illness, and Hannibal lecture is my role model. I flip the switch and I am full on red faced mad in a second, I just blamed this guy for every terrible thing that ever happened in my life, and I am thinking "i got you now "chicken vaccuum" you are dead meat." I put up the asking hands and it is clear I am asking to give a beating or get a beating..My tae kan do instructor said "man i feel you step on the matt to spar, and i am glad you are not mad at me"...I needed that high fight drop for the low fight technique, and thanks for that. I had a run in with a sex offender a few years ago about a fouteen year old girl that was pregnant and making movies for him. I tried every cop angle I could and he told everybody he and his son were looking for me..I told every body I hope they find me I am biting that sex offender on the nuts and never let go..I thought it would be later in the fight...now it is gonna be first thing, high hands like you said then drop like you said.then head but that stomache and bite them nuts, never ever ever let go, just keep chewing and twisting til they are bitten off..I I can get it on video it will go viral...
Beautiful video quality. Can you share what camera are you using to record?
It depends now on the practitioner if how he make Aikido work for self defense. Aikido have hand strikes called atemi. but I think the usual strike in Aikido is the Kokyu nage which is always use by Segal.
Randori is not really meant to be realistic. It's a training tool, and a really good one at that. It helps you with your footwork and it helps you get accustomed to multiple attackers. What is more, it's a SAFE training tool. You don't see boxers shadow boxing in a real street fight. Same thing. You start with a safe method of training and once you get the basics down, you start with experienced training partners coming in full speed with power.
blockmasterscott it is utter bullshit!
Very nice. I love the realistic and practical approach. Keep on guys.
"Let me explain why a thing I'm incompetent to personally do - and clearly by my explanation don't really understand - can't be done by anyone."
U guys for me have 2 get a few more guys in this video and redo it. I noticed u guys never have more than 1 attacker in ur videos get a couple of attackers and then simulate it. U have showed it in slow mo so plz try and show it a bit faster as well, as that might hit home. Show it slow and then faster even if u have to get the sparring gear as you have done on other vids. Honestly i am beyond impressed with these videos can't complain with the content i have seen i hope you guys can reach more people as the state in this country with violence is beyond words disgusting may be one word to describe it hats off to you guys. My friend pointed me towards aikido as i was looking into mma. I myself by watching a few aikido vids saw the flaws n it is amazing you guys are actually trying to tweak it haha i have no more words left. I am shocked that it can even be tweaked. Hope to hear a response... Keep up the good work!
very good thanks, With the choke hold i was shown by a police officer a sharp stamp on the toes makes them think then when they are off guard apply the elbow to the mid and head /neck reagion superb thank,s please recommend a gym in bournemouth 53 by the way But fit netherther the less i think thank's Russ
So randori is not practical, but staging and rehearsing multiple attackers with only one friend avaiable is a better option?
Yes, unless you're incapable of understanding the points they're making. The way they did was actually very good - and nicely edited. It makes it clear what is going on and you can see what they're talking about.
Kaz lemon you're an idiot
Kaz lemon you have not even the slightest idea about the difference between budo and bugei, do you? And *that* is why you're an idiot.
Kaz lemon basic definitions aren't "fantasy land", sweety. They're two different, but very related, things. Wallowing in your abject ignorance isn't really a good look for you.
And thanks for your concern about my safety in a real fight. So far, in the three occasions I've been in real fights, it's turned out ok. Maybe one day I can be lucky like you and have a couple of sports competition fights with rules and nice clean surfaces to fight on so I learn what is all about. Idiot.
Please iluminate me then.
Awesome. I'm an Ashihara KarateKa and I've learnt so much from these videos OSU
The main advantage of randori is building reflexes. Sure the actual act of randori isn’t realistic, but the practice of it builds reflexes for when you have someone coming at you throwing hands. Reflex development is what makes aikido so effective, not necessarily the actual techniques of aikido. That’s why randori is one of the most crucial aspects of aikido.
I think you guys should change the titles of your videos. They get your attention, but it seems you are discrediting Aikido a bit too much. Your videos look like good practical street guides on how to use Aikido moves effectively against real life attacks. That is a great; but Aikido is effective and practical, and it teaches body awareness, preparedness, where to move your body, and how to disable an attacker. What is taught and practiced in the dojo will of course look totally different in a street situation, and that's not wrong, that's just how it is. Of course nothing is going to look "pretty" or flow like it does in class, because a real human being is not going to take ukemi. But I do find your videos helplful in making me think about how someone might attack on the street, and I have a better idea of how to deal with that sort of situation with you two demonstrating some practical moves. And learning randori in class HELPS us to think of ways to deal with multiple attackers, like when you spoke of the human shield thing.
Thats why i like aikido a lot. Coz in self defense if you killed the attacker thats still a homeside, you still going to face the consequence of killing the person. So i like the philosophy that its a self defense that do not destroy an opponent. There are countries that if you killed your attacker even in self defense you not just going to jail, they'll behead you.
AHORA si vos lo agarras desde las rodillas, para voltearlo, no corres el peligro que caiga y se rompa la cabeza?
Just noticed you filmed this a few minutes from where i live. really good
How many Dan do you have ?
Surely it depends on how you practice randori. ... I practiced tomiki aikido for 23 years.. we were always grappling and countering.
My particular club used strikes and stalked each other looking for a chance to attack . Rather than just running at tori. .
We would never just grab but every grab was followed by a strike.. it was messy hardly ever graceful but it worked ..
We did also practice ninindori and sanindori or 2 and 3 onto one .. we practiced the traditional way that has nothing to do with fighting ..it is about controlling people that rush at you ..
And we practiced a more real way where no one rushed at anyone they just attacked.. so the statement is wrong .it is your intent in randori. .that will stop it working ..
We discovered all aikido is 95% or more atemi.
And we discovered
What looks good and what works are two different things.
I now teach a practical self defense have done for 5 years.. it incorporates aikido, jujitsu, dirty boxing. .. aikido works as well as these others ..
I have had many people say your aikido works only because of these others ..
That is bullshit aikido works , randori works as long as you are actually testing each other ... forget becoming a master of pre set moves against prearranged attacks .
Get real in your training. . Fighting is not stylised. . Aikido practice can be ... you spend 10 ,20,30 years doing stylised fighting .. it will never ever work outside of your style ...
Yoy guys EVER use the kicks provide the Art?
I do suggest you wonderful aikidoka folks check out what Tomiki (Shodokan) Aikido does in what they call “randori”. Single attacker, but the uke is allowed to resist any technique attempted. There’s more to it than that, but I hope it peeks your interest.
“WHERE IS YOUR SITUATION AWARENESS......!!!”. In Randari a group of three or more is easy to handle ,it when it’s two or less that you ready have to be paying attention to your situation. It very important to pay attention to your movements In keeping moving,not away from the sort of danger,but moving into it ,using setting imime and tendon movements. BUT YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SiTUATION.
Is this Yoshinkan?
I'm surprised no one calls the cops while these are being filmed in the streets. ;-) Great video.
In aikido are you really gonna wait for the opponent to attack first
3:17 - "You don't have to deal with him anymore"... if he's a compliant uke. Chances are very high that if he misses that initial punch and you "attempt" a double leg takedown, he WILL grab onto you for his dear life, and the result is that he pulls you down to the ground... and now you are in a worse situation than before because his buddies are kicking your head in.
Instead of doing slow, compliant demonstrations on the street in "street clothes" how about you demonstrate at SPEED with a resisting opponent on the mat for safety to show us just how well these things really work?
You sort of assumed your attackers are defeated. Which I don’t like. You could have left it at the “3 guys means you probably lose” and the suggested that you keep space and try to make a scene.
Then you could have gone over some techniques that are very high percentage and don’t open you up to be attacked
spar alot, spar with people who don't share the same martial art as you, try different martial arts. most martial arts classes are happy to let a well trained martial artist join them for a free session.
This video would have worked a lot better if there actually were two attackers in it, instead of having to imagine the 2nd one. Ugh!
thanks for your advice! your videos are really helpful!!!
Ondrej, please let me know what you think after checking out Lenny sly's videos. I'm sure he has the answers you've been looking for.The Rogue Warriors.
The randori throws will work if they are running at you but they won’t roll they will fall on their head.
Distance Management. Trying not to get hit. Getting the clinch. Going for a double leg takedown. Sounds like Gracie Jiu Jitsu to me.
Or judo or any form of jujitsu or most other martial arts. Your point?
Jujitsu or not, it's too "engaging" for my taste, esp in the context of multiple attackers?
GracieGarage it is also in aikido and always has been .
Or just BJJ (Brazilian and not only Gracie Jui Jitsu)
All Aikidoka should study BJJ. It turns out that OSensei wanted his most senior students to sturdy bone breaking. I wonder why?
excelente amigo... la verdad es que la realidad en la calle es otra al comparar el ejercicio en un dojo (tatami)... en la calle duele el golpo y el oponente usa muy bien el concepto de lo que es emboscar... saludos
Ok I do agree with you but aikido is almost assuming the Attacker is respecting the martial art rule that only one person attacks at a time
Let me (kind of) disagree with one thing you said - nobody grabs you - true, but the grabs are form and learning process only. The katatedori, katadori, morotedori, riotedori are, in my oppinion, reference points for jabs or kicks or any sort of attack (low, mid or high).
Also, people don't leave your puch - true - but they don't have to if your taisabaki is preformed properly.
I think getting out of a real fight with minimum damage is related with the control of adrenalin. I mean if you can succeed in controlling your emotions and calm down, you have a chance. Aikido is weak from this aspect, because the attacks, the scenarios are not real. So you never get excited during exercises and can't learn to control your emotions. As a conclusion, No pain, No gain my friends...
omg!
I did not know that that guy was triplets! XD
This stuff is amazing!
All the best you both..amazing n thank you verry much for all lessons
I think its not aikido does not work. Maybe you have not mastered randori yet. it may work but maybe not perfect. When can make aikido if we try to train and apply it's principles.
Awesome video! Helpful!
BTW Sensai Renosa and Weldon eres instrumental in my Aikido training.
what I would do is, Ikkyo the first person, and in the ikkyo of course I would spin around and see the other two, so I wont lock the first guy and walk back to safe distance. if all of my opponents are in front of me, it is easier to deal with. I would just kicking two people so they are not gang me up and ikkyo the third person to lock him. I would threaten the other two that I will break the arm if they still want to fight.
if they are chilling down, I would pull the guy I lock and push him to the group and walk back while watching them. but if they still go on me after I lock one of their guy, then I would break the arm and lock another one and threaten the third guy. if it is still goes on then I will need to break all of their arms
No no no! If i am going down i am hitting balls before the other dude gets me however i agree with the other statements
Or maybe Randori don't work because it needs something like 6th sense for Ki no nagare and immense amount of practical experience? Something you won't often found in nowadays Dojo, expecially Aikido ones.
People think that Aikido is a dance - they've got a dance. Everyone happy.
Very practical advice.
Why are you standing in the same place like a punching bag?
Assuming there’s only one attacker is also a pretty big mistake. You can grab his legs and tackle him, but odds are at least two more guys are coming to stomp on you while you’re on the ground.
The trouble with Aikido is that it stops working once you get hit or end up on the ground.
Trouble of people thinking that Aikido trouble is being hit is that they don't like being hit in the process of training. Nothing else.
Aikido never stops working. You can be ill in a hospital bed and still practice Aikido - especially then, in fact. It is easy to practice at the dojo on a mat with friends - much more difficult to apply the priciples to daily life, when we are in a weakened state.
Why does "Aikidoflow" concentrate on putting down Aikido? OF COURSE theory and practice are different. But what should we people who don't get into fights do? Without any previous experience in martial arts, three years of Aikido have given me a tremendous focus on self defense without ever suffering the slightest injury. I see that practicing with an opponent in a staged way that is not a win/lose contest is a positive way to prepare for the real world. It is like airplane pilots practicing emergency situations on a simulator without having to risk a real crash. One recognizes that Aikido is not a way to maintain a fight but a quick way to resolve an attack as soon as it starts, a one time move with even the element of surprise. And if one cannot end it right away, one still has some advantage over the one who doesn't know the art. If randori "does not work", like is claimed here, why would countless practitioners of Aikido do it consistently? Are they all idiots? Or does this video make a false claim of what it is supposed to be?
No one art is enough, must be skilled in multiple areas in combat. Easier today with mma, years ago you spend 30yrs obtaining blackbelts in muliple arts.
Umm, Ive practieced aikido for years and it has definetly helped me deal with the situation of being jumped by street thugs here in Cali.. tho I would prefer to not live in a shithole neighborhood where groups of Illegals are allowed to prey on people but.. God bless Randori
Great video! keep it up!
first selfdefence thing is running
Not true
This is horrible. No details on how to avoid getting caught in the double leg. That RNC defense wouldn't work if they locked it in with the second arm.
But at least they are honest about the fact that it's extremely hard to defend against multiple attackers.
I will take your word for it because I am not allowed to teach Aikido.
i thought randori means sparring 🤔 like judo randori. it must mean something else in aikido.
So basically good randori is like bad MMA!
Hey Guys! This stile looks like systema Rusiaan military self defence
You could use multiple techniques there? You clearly have never done aikido.
Good video :)
I'm sorry you haven't been able to grasp the more intricate parts of Aikido. It takes a long time. You should look into Lenny Slys version and tell me what you think. RogueWarriors.com
James Carter,
Even he himself says that randori will not work against multiple opponent. Suck it up.
I'll have to say that not only have you not trained, but you also haven't had the time to actually get the knowledge of what he was talking about in the videos.
James Carter,
I'll have to say that i am a black belt in Daido Juku Karate and a purple belt in BJJ. This is my real account and that is my real picture. You are not an Aikidoka. You are just James Carter. Probably not even your real name. Keep living in a fantasy world.
Ray Michael sorry to burst your bubble young man. But I'm not a fly on the wall talking out the side of my neck like so many are. I've been studying Martial Arts for 51 years. And a lifetime student. Out of those my Aikido started in 1981. I've trained the military and police forces worldwide. And at present have dojos in Colorado where I do the same. You are more than welcome to come see me. I mentioned Lenny Sly because I am on the same path as him with Aikido. Have been for a while. I have masters in quite a few styles. But again, that doesn't matter. You just need to know that the only reason people say things don't work is because you haven't put in enough time to make your muscles commit to memory of technique. Plus don't limit what you have to learn. That's all there is. It always easier to just say that doesn't work and move on because your lazy.
Plus I did notice you haven't studied Aikido long enough to have an opinion. Randori takes years to Master. And it should resemble a real fight with kicks, punches, throws and anything else you can muster to fully get a grasp. But again. You haven't been doing that. Just doing BJJ and some other stuff. But you feel you're qualified to have an opinion on Aikido. While you're at it call up Gracie and give them the run down on how they should make BJJ more street applicable. You're an expert in that too.
James Carter,
I am and expert. You are not. You are a fake and no one will believes you.
Aikido is another tool in a toolbox.
It be better and more informative if you actually get more then just 2 people
If they are just falling down they aren't doing their job as uke. Some times the just falling is in avoidance of a strike or connection to the partner that causes a loss of balance. In early stages of learning randori avoidance of entanglement , movement , positioning, is the object. Techniques are not always encouraged at this stage because the student becomes entangled in a struggle trying to execute a technique that's not there and being trapped by other attackers. The turns in Aikido are to let you see what's coming from other directions and to line your attacks up. You talk about things not happening a certain way . Well your demo, , it doesn't usually work that way . You aren't covering you back and the time you spend on one person is to long. Usually they aren't waiting ,the other two would have you while your dealing with the first. Aikido form of randori is more effective giving a better chance of survival. First guy attacks , deflect punch while entering past him , elbow to head or strike to groin or ribs some form of iriminage ect. Then go to next guy who didn't get to your back because you put the first guy between you. 2nd guy punches. You only deflect and avoid him and confront 3rd guy . You get a good rib shot on him the 2 is back . Well 1 and 3 have backed off he follows suit. Of course multiple attackers are dangerous. You may get caught but the longer you survive and use hit and move on tactics the better your chance
Hmm Maybe your aikido doesn't work. Mine works fine . . .
WHY are you not aware of who is behind you? WHY are you still there?
If you don't understand randori why criticise it?
GOOD
nice
As far as I know "none" of traditional martial arts, including Aikidodo, do 3:07 .
1) Why? because there is great chance of you being captured by your opponent and that is when 2nd guy will come after you
2) or he may attack backside of your head or neck or even squeeze his fingers to your eyes or maybe go for neck choke
3) You also have to expect opponent grabbing a knife on the street. And Once it happens,
no matter how many times you practice this technique... it is obsolete as well as waste of time.
Most Traditional martial arts have a core principle which is applicable to
1) weapon
2) striking
3) take down
4) submission
Aikido do have that principle too and Westers tend to forget about that "core."
because you guys are so sports oriented.
your video's are the most truthful @ realistic self defense of them all .
Well sure, randori isn’t going to work if you just stand there like a punching bag. In my training, randori was never meant to stand up & fight multiple attackers and ‘win’ - but to tenkan iriminage your ass out of the situation. If you’re going to stand & duke it out with uke, train in a different martial art, Aikido is not for you.
Could simplify title with "why aikido doesn't work"
plis traduce to spanish!! I like this videos, buy my friend don not "entending"
Solo hagan los movimientos que hacen y yo me imagino que si lo van a entender, se trata de practicar y practicar y ……...
I enjoy the fun you guys have in your videos, but tackling and throwing elbows are not Aikido. I doubt this kind of teaching would come from a school officially recognized by Japan. If he has a knife or a gun or is simply bigger than you, going for a tackle would be a serious mistake. I don't see any Aikido technique or concept presented here. Your lack of calmness, posture, and ki extension at 1:38 clearly shows that you don't know how to perform a simple sankyo. Just a note to anyone watching that is actually interested in Aikido, please find a dojo near you and give it a shot. You will be surprised at what it isn't.
Of course tackling and throwing elbows are part of aikido. They are practical aspects that need to be learnt, along with heading towards the eventual goal of all the less-hitty stuff. ;) :) I've seen shihan (Masuda) do some amazing things that didn't look real, but I could see the timing and technique were near perfect and it was *very* real. And I've also seen shihan (Shibata) simply put an elbow in someone's throat and end an attack with the person carted off to hospital shortly after. It's all about time, place, and need.
"You will be surprised at what it isn't." :-)
Ever heard of atemi principle in aikido ? Looks like someone did not payed attention in class and got stuck to the mere tradional training.
We practice very little atemi in Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido, so yes we are wimps.
True! I can understand if an atemi is then followed up with an actual technique, rather than slugging it out hoping for the best, but that is not what is demonstrated here. They just say finish quickly, which is very open to interpretation, and injury, to those who don't even train. We practice no-touch techniques that can end an attack with the right timing and probably years of practice - but in reality it won't, and they'll just get hit. Chiba Sensei has some excellent sword demonstrations where he's just so intimidating the attack is stopped immediately, lol.
Have you ever consider that you didnt learn and pratices Randori in right way?
Your base idea for this exercise is wrong.
First of all you need to move, not to stand and exchange punches with attacker. Second no body ever sad that if you pratice Randori you will know how to defend against multiple attackers. You can only learn in which direction to move, so you can evade attack, so you can go away from fight, better to say run.
I'm realy sorry that people that pratice aikido see randori exercise in this way.
It makes me wonder what kind of people teach you aikido? No wonder aikido is consider feak martial art, when people that train aikido do not understend aikido teaching.
They are boyfriends! Jajaja
Randori in Aikido is the most terrible example of the art.
Never ever do it!
EVERYTHING IN AIKIDO WORKS it only depend from the student ... all martial art are like this (i hope you understand, my english is not so good) bye bye from argentina 😊
Kicking in randori? I think your instructor was less than qualified. In aikido you pretty much never kick because it puts you off balance and leaves you exposed.
Terrible...
You cannot simply fake covering your head and then go for a take down. There is a good chance you would get a knee to the face. Your opponent does not stand still. You have to test yourself against real opponents like AikidoSiauliai has been doing. Please get in an actual MMA competition and see how well things go before doing anymore dog and pony show videos.
adobePC mma is a game you cannot see what's real by playing a game .that has rules and a ref .. but I do agree they need to pressure test these moves.
The shity part of aikido were I'm from at least its the price and some arrogance u find in the sensei here
What a load of rubbish..its always the same in these videos..the attackers are virtually tickling him
Should every video end with black eyes and broken bones? Come on
Another nae sayer ! What a lame demo !!!!!! No dojo ???????