Underappreciated Historical Weapons: the Goedendag, spear-club
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- In this episode of Underappreciated Historical Weapons we look at the Goedendag or the spear club, where it comes from, why it was developed and how effective it is.
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What if it got in the gaps of the armor?(where you’re supposed to see from)
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 the eye slits? Everyone will become John Cena.
Know that i liked this post but
Alas i cant
Also
SPOILERS!!!
Okay... if someone could turn the book into a D&D campaign ... that would be insane!
Gross fake account with 0 subs with a pin on it... not cool man.
I can see a dwarf using this while yelling "I SAID GOOD DAY!"
If only Goedendags were available as weapons in LOTRO. I want to use one with a dwarf toon now.
*crunch*
Your forgot to say Sir at the end there my good sir.. Dont be rude :)
Ik zei goedendag!
I feel like this would be a perfect weapon for a dwarf.
When you're a Flemish, medieval peasant going to war but your mother always told you to greet stranger nicely:
*Goedendag intensifies*
Schild en vrienden :)
when your a peasant and you don't feel like dragging out the pitchfork and cleaning it after a long days of picking "things" before going into battle of the weekly disgruntled riot in front of the regional overlord/despots manor you can always count on the Goedendag to get the job done with out much fuss or adverse effects to the wielder in question
@@Eugensson may you please translate for us non-multilengual people
@@scottmantooth8785 you know, just the weekly riot
@@scottmantooth8785 Who said you need to clean it puting stuff on it is what the vietnamese did and that worked well.
german here, I say "Guten Tag" multiple times a day and now I'll always think of Shad wielding a huge spearclub when I talk to people
His accent is arggggg.
Guten Tag is wayy to limiting. I just use Moin all day long xD. But yeaaah i believe if someone says Guten Tag to me now i too will think of Shad xD
@@Guderian2 Grüß Gott is even better. that you can safely even say to superiors without them scolding you ^-^ (military is fun, trust me)
@@18947ful If i should go Bavaria, i will go full Bavaria: "I Said Servus! Du Saupreiß!" xD (and i am saying that as someone living on what has been Prussian Territory)
@@Guderian2 Well gotta adapt ;) Freistaat Bayern x3
Burglar breaks into Shad's house
Shad: Goedendag!!!
"Goedendag meneer! Bent u klaar om gestoken te worden?"
@@WittleSofi are you Dutch?
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 misschien wel misschien niet
@@WittleSofi i find Dutch cool,but only know the basic
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 but yeah I am mostly Dutch, Sofia de Nijs, how may i be of service?
When you go full circle and become your own sponsor.
Hey, whatever works.
That's how it used to be. if you didn't sell your product, nobody bought it.
what a weird profile picture... is there a meaning to it? would you care to explain that meaning?
@@silkwesir1444 It represents the end result of communism
@@agoodone6446 a good one indeed
Bartender: So what’ll it be?
Shad: Fantasy.
*Patrons turn around in their seats.*
Shad: Err…Hard Fantasy?
Well, "Grunts!" by Mary Gentle is a fairly Hard Fantasy. Bunch of Orcs discover Modern weaponry and start spouting off "Full Metal Jacket", just before the big battle between Good and Evil.
@@lockwoan01 In that case wouldn't it be 'Ard Fantasy? :)
@@joshuawhitlock896 Actually, It would be "Oorah!" Fantasy, complete with a bunch of Orcs charging in with M16s and AK-47s, going full-auto! Afterwards, one would rip the head off of a fallen enemy, and they'd start kicking it around. If said head gets destroyed.....
Good news! You've made the Orcball team! Bad news is! As the ball!
Child: "Mommy? The neighbor is saying "GOEDENDAG" and stabbing the foam man again."
Mom: "Look away little one"
this made me laugh audibly.
IT IS TOO LATE MOTHER I HAVE ALREADY REACHED THE MACHICOLATIONS
@@chucklesdeclown8819 Because you're a dipshit.
@@Loddfafnisodr Geez...Settle down and buy a vowel.
this made me chuckle
This proves whoever came up with this weapon had a great, dark sense of humour. Like calling a pistol handshaker or the salute.
Story i heard is that the Dutch speaking Flemish peasants would carry this thing like a garden tool. And would approach French soldiers with 'goedendag' and if they replied in French or with a French accent they would kill him
@@deeznutz8320 he said that in the video
Pretty sure the ones who invented it didn't name it that.
This is very much the sense of humour in Flanders. Almost every major war in European history had some engagements in Flanders. This left them with a somewhat sardonic outlook.
"Salutations!" *Shots them*
When you realize your weapon is just a giant number 2 pencil that you left in the pencil sharpener to long
Without an eraser.
Michael Galvan that would be a very nice paint job for this
@@malikdespanie4344 In this case, the pencil is also the eraser. xD
MEEEEHOY MEEEENOOOIIIII!!!!!
Wiseacres FINLAND!
Meanwhile in 1300.
BREAKING NEWS LOCAL WEAPONPRODUCER INOVATES BY PUTTING A SPIKE ON A CLUB!!!
French are sweating wine
"sweating wine" HA!
@starfield2 English longbows did a lot against the french during the 100-year war.
I read "French are eating swine"!
Nice one 🤣.
However, regarding longbows, you really should mind the gap between gameplay and historical accuracy. They're different. There's a reason why the bulk of that sweet longbow action is concentrated in the early parts of the Hundred Years War, and why the French ended up winning the War. Case in point, longbows weren't as relevant as you think they were in this war and... weren't really that concerning after, since firearms rose to prominence. The Spanish Tercios proved far more deadly, lasted longer, and were more dreadful than longbow companies.
Hmmmm...
Anti-Armor Mace Arrows.... No amount of armor is going to protect you from pepper spray in your eyeballs.
One day Shad decided to go clubbing...everyone had a Goedendag.
The beauty of this joke is lost on so many people.
"you get a goedendag! you get a goedendag! everybody gets a goedendag!" - oprah winfrey if she was a 14th century warrior 😅
Breaking News : A man with a pointy large stick threatening the entire club
Leon Kootstra I died of laughter I can just imagine Oprah in mail armor giving out spears
Haha! Good one 😁
Hi Flemish history major here! I did my thesis on the weapons of war used in the early 14th French-Flemish war. There are a few important sidenotes to make. At Courtrai the Flemish made extensive use of pike men to stop the French cavalry charge. It is believed that 1 in 2 of the Flemish infantry made use of a longer pole arm (pike, glaive, whatever, ...) The 'goedendag' as u call it was excellent to finish of armoured opponents when the initial charge was halted/disrupted. The weapon fell out of use fairly quickly it seems. I believe that in the sources of the battle of Cassel (1328) its not mentionned anymore. (This I am writing out the top of my head right now) But it was certain that after Courtrai and Mons en Pévèle that weapon is way less mentionned in the sources. Whereas pikes, spears and longer poleweapons gain more renown in the sources. This corresponds also with the Flemish formation trend of fighting more in pike formations from the 1330-1340.
Secondly: in 'Diets' the language spoken in 13th and 14th century Flanders the weapon was called a 'gepinde staf' or simply 'staf' which translates to spiked stick or stave (I believe). Only in French sources the weapon is called 'goedendag' (many variations exist). And only the French attach this story of saying hello to someone before mauling/stabbing someone to death. It is sugested that the word goedendag actually comes from 'goede dagge' which means 'good stabbing tool'
Anyway, dont want to nitpick but spread some more info around our history. Keep up the good work!
Wow, thanks for sharing this!
Woah. Thanks for the notes bro. Really appreciate adding even more info to an already great video.
So, he now have a big pokey stick that doubles as a large smaking stick.
Nice, i'll take 20.
You cannot take 20 on that type of roll.
@@nevisysbryd7450 no, but you can buy 20 on the cheap and hand them out to some hired thugs.
As a Flemish boy myself I always heard it was called "goedendag" because the enemy first gets stabbed in the gut by the weapon. In result they bow forward, like a friendly bow as a form of greeting. After the greeting they would get smacked on the back of the head with the club.
Another Flemish here. I heard they stabbed it in the throat. As that was about the only place that was unprotected by the armor. So the French knight ended up looking as if he nodded "goodday" before dropping dead off his horse.
As a Dutchmen I've heard neither of these stories.
as a unicorn i wonder how i typed this 0.o
@@ruhalfoyls With great difficulty I'd imagine.
@@Artrysa ik denk dat aleen Vlaamse mensen deze verhalen kennen
Shad, concerned: "Getting hit like that, ugh, you'd KILL someone!"
Me, an intellectual: "That's...why I'm here."
I died 😂
Better "why you think I came all this way?"
I love your pfp lmao.
Flemish here! I was excited to see this video and I really appreciate it. The goedendag was famously used in the Battle of the Golden Spurs (1302) which was basically between France and Flanders (mostly peasants and artisans, but that would include blacksmiths). As far as I remember being told, the goedendag was particularly effective when used against chevaliers. The battle itself was fought in Flemish bogland (wet, it rains sooo much in Belgium, and muddy) so the terrain worked against the chevaliers and their charge wasn't quite as effective (On a sidenote, supposedly the French infantry was doing fine until the knights decided they wanted their part of the glory and finish off these upstart peasants). Now the goedendag came in quite handy against a knight on horseback whose charge was broken and is amidst infantry. The reach and angle from the infantry's point of view meant the goedendag could be used to stab upwards into the gap between the top of the breastplate and the underside of the helmet, stabbing the knight in the throat/upwards in the head. Now supposedly the name goedendag, according to how I was told, came from the stabbing in the throat and the subsequent 'nodding' of the head from the knight as if to say 'good day, sir'. Also, quite correct on the militia, particularly in Bruges where the artisans' guilds were quite prominent and a lot of trade came in, so wealthy city, in one night, the Flemish militias went on a hunt for French speaking citizens, besides 'goedendag' which would be basically impossible to say if you spoke French only, the other slogan they used was 'schild and vriend' (Shield and Friend), again one of those phrases only a Dutch/Flemish/German speaker could pronounce properly, if you couldn't do it, you were killed.
That's why 'Schild en Vrienden' has been adopted as its name by a Flemish extreme-right xenophobe group with militia aspirations... :-(
@@PierredeCur Very true =( they also like to use the Lion of Flanders as a flag, and take over the Flemish national holiday, turning it into some kind of right-wing extremist rally, usually at Ypres. They always like to use symbols of power and patriotism.
They forget that Walloons fought the French side-to-side with Flemish in the Battle of the Golden Spurs.
As for the flag, they prefer the battle flag with the black tongue and claws instead of red, as in the real Flemish flag because it was the one chosen by the Nazi and collaborateurs during WWII.
One small detail: knights didn't have breastplates yet in 1302. They would have used chainmail against which the goedendag is even more effective since mail only really protects against cutting.
dude its dutch lmao
18:17 "I've taken safety precautions, there's no one else around"
Not anymore, there isn't.
who wouldn't want a neighbor who talks to himself and flails dangerous weapons around. rofl 😂😂😂
@@cgamejewels me. I would join him.
Well when you say it like it sounds like a threat
The two main forms of handheld weapons throughout history:
1. Pointy stick
2. Big stick
It was bound to happen.
You forgot
3. rock
4. rock tied to stick
@@jlokison And let's not forget:
5. Rock with pointy thing tied to stick
Its genius, I tell you. Pure genius.
@@jlokison rock without stick is just big stick without stick. Rock on a stick is a sharp stick.
You could mention swords too, but they are just sharp sticks too, so rocks certainly dont count.
Thats the joke. Every weapon is either one of those two, or both.
Now we have Big pointy stick.
"How is this better than a spear?"
*goes through the chainmail*
"Oh, I see."
You can't bonk someones's head with a spear
Not gonna lie, when I saw the thumbnail, I thought it was one of those sticks you use to pick up trash on the side of the road,
I'll never look at volunteer trash pickers the same again
*Heart hurts in Flemish*
Hahahahahajahahahaoh f**k
WHERE IS ALL THIS LITTER COMING FROM
@@Zillzbillz I SAID GOOD DAY, LITTER!
Break his kneecap, stab his visor - hope his day is still good and well.
@Dragon born Ok, I have the scenario in a battle:
Flemish: Goedendag meneer.
French: Aaaaaaaarrrrrr
**SMASH
**
Flemish: Ik zei GOEDENDAG MENEER!
I think they were being sarcastic when they named it "good day," because people back then were snarky bastards like we are today
Yeah I always assumed it was a case of intentional blatant irony, cause that thing is likely to seriously ruin somebody's day.
Germanic humor, like naming a giant battle tank the Maus (mouse).
It certainly wasn't the shiboleth used by the Flemish against the French garrison in the Bruges Matins, because the phrase they used there was "schild en vriend" (meaning "shield and friend)", or possibly " 's gilden vriend" (meaning "friend of the guilds"). The two are pronounced almost identically in Dutch, so there's some ambiguity.
They probably launched an internet poll to name it and the inevitable ensued.
If you faced an armored knight with one and lived it WAS a good day.
I'm sure it's actually very much appreciated among rodock crossbowmen.
Mount & Blade!!!
It's almost harvesting season!
That’s a nice head you have on your shoulders!
I will eat from your skull!!!
@@rollochairbreaker230
Less talking, more raiding!
Can anybody tell Shad REALLY REALLY loves this weapon? The enthusiasm is dripping profusely here.
Its been 2 years and he recently had a tier list video. His enthusiasm sparked right back when this weapon came up.
"Good day" as a name for a weapon.
I never thought "Ol Painless" would be beaten.
try "Fluffy Bunny"
How about the Austrian version of;
Guten Tag, which is " Grüss Gott!" which ironically translates to
"Greet God!" so it's not only a greeting and send off, but a kill quote as well.
Imagine the renegade/rogue crusaders using that line whenever they ambushed someone, would be fitting wouldn't it?
My character " I've brought my weapon."
Allie with a spear " that's a stick "
Me " a stick with a spike."
A pointy stick good sir!
I mean that could describe a spear
@@pixelsheep8939 Noooooooo, a spear is a looooooong pointy stick. Or a loooong stick with a knife on the end. O.o Knife is different from spike. More flattish.
@@grayeaglej sounds to me like you got a spear broken in two
So glad Shad figured out why they had caps. Many axes, picks, and other tools to this day use a cap or ring for such reasons.
Also, those wooden cannons
Plus that's probably a historically accurate demonstration of how the first guy to do so thought "hey I should stick and end cap on this thing"
18:07 Goedendag connects in club mode, the spike flies off and one hears a scream of mortal agony off in the distance. Shadversity quickly and furtively exits stage left. ; )
Recently I have been introduced to the Goedendag in a fantastic Germanic based strategy game called "Battle Brothers"
(In Steven Fry voice) "Oh Hullo!" *BONK*
"Now good day."
"But Shad!"
*Spear club to the face* "I SAID GOOD DAY!"
Haha 😂
And that's how it was used in midevil times.
Isn't this a reference to Fez from that 70's show?
@Star-Lord420 : You got it in one my dude.
But what about dragons?!
Shad: More information about the spike later in the video
Me: Get to the point!
Daniel Adamczyk that’s the idea, the point.
The spear isn’t just attached to cap. It is driven into wood as Shad’s is. BUT the key function of the cap is to prevent the wood grain from splitting. If you drive the tip into a tough substance it tries to drive it deeper. The attached cap prevents this, and even a non attached cap that allows tip to drive slighter deeper the cap will stop the end from splitting and releasing tip.
Ah. I love it when a medieval soldier walks up to me and says Goedendag with his mouth and giant spear-club.
"Oh, Bonj.." *SMASH*
"Good day Sir!" THAWACK!!! Anyone else find this extremely funny?
I can't help but hear the coconut bonk.
Vibe check
Yep
Yes
Yes
of course the Australian does a video on a weapon called a G'day
Aussie here. I didn't even think about that. G'daying is just instinctual to us, I guess
A little more work and it'll probably work as a didgeridoo too. It's about the right size.
He should write "G'day" on it!
GOEDENDAG SIR
“What?”
I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!! *stabs person*
The original vibe check
Well, I mean, it would actually be "Goedendag meneer" but I get what you were going for.
TheUltimateLemonGuy, why thank you French man.
@@silvertheelf I'm not French, I'm Flemish, and I actually hate the French language.
TheUltimateLemonGuy well
This test was not historically accurate, because you didn't shout "Goedendag!" before pummeling the dummy.
you mean... *pommeling* the dummy
Just mount a pommel of mass destruction on the end.
To end them righteously.
@@QoraxAudio And some *machicolations*
@@bulldowozer5858 *MACHICOLATIONSSSSSS!!*
Lol the pommel goedendag will probably fit through the machicolations to rain terror upon thou enemy.
I received my copy of your book yesterday. I like the about the author section which simply states "He likes swords." I will be starting it today and will share my opinion with you.
What about DRAGONS?
@@markhorton3994 That is the only question that matters.
So instead of pommel throwing, we now have long range good day spikes.
That thing needs a Pommel to throw
I always thought the Goedendag was an underappreciated weapon too. It seems like a versatile and inexpensive weapon that would be ideal for damn near any medieval battle. Makes one wonder why they weren't used more often.
You really need a separate channel called Shad's Shop or something (like you named some earlier videos) where you go through the process of how you build these things. Even if you feel like things like this spear-club were too fast and uninteresting, people would be fine with just a 5-10 minute video, I bet a lot of people would watch that channel. Only if you the time for a second channel though what with extra editing and so on.
I really do second this; you're missing an absolute trick Shad.
I mean, you're already making the weapons anyway, It'd be so fun to be able to see you making them.
It doesn't need a seperate channel, it could be here with the audience or alternatively as bonus content on Patreon
Would love to see that, I watch people making weapons all the time on UA-cam. So watching one of my favorite UA-camrs doing it as well would be really cool.
@@iamwhatitorture6072 Doesn't _need_ its own channel but I think it would work better with UA-cam's algorithm. These would still be a different sort of content that could attract a different audience, distracting potential Shad viewers who aren't into his workshop videos. Plus, with the outpout Shad lately has, additional workshop videos could overcrowd people's sub box, potentially tiring people into not watching all of his vids. Bonus vids for Patreon is always a possibility but attracts a much smaller audience of course
Shad's Shed? :)
Shad: The Goedendag doesn't need a cap
Editor: The Goedendag did, in fact, need a cap
I love this series, never before heard of this baseball-spear, I hope you find more of these.
Now we must take a baseball bat and stick a spike in the end so Lucille can have a friend o.o
But how does it fare against Dragon? We can not forget about the Dragons! Good day Sir!
If you can use Dragonrend, then possibly, if not, you had better be good with a bow.
Watch the skies traveller.
Too flammable.
Ah, mixing two catch phrases of shad in on statement
Depends on how thick his scales are
The famous Dutch utility weapon combining spear, club, staff, mace. The Swiss made one that also included a bottle opener, flat bladed screw driver and nail file.
And another that was a spear, axe, and pick!
To some weapons, chainmail is no longer armor, it becomes just a series of linked holes.
Well.... yeah...
I am not an expert - but as mail was mostly developed to counter strikes and blunt attacks, it also started the whole development of dedicated stabby stuff.
@@robertnett9793 no, no, no.
Mail was made to counter CUTS.
Its even weaker against blunt weapons, because it doesnt absorb the impact at all.
The thing that counters blunt impacts is the GAMBESON
@@Archimedes.5000 Yes and before the mail and before the gambeson, your shield was there to protect against almost everything, and did a fantastic job. You could say that armour was actually your backup protection for the stuff that snuck past your shield. Which I suspect was mostly cutting or blunt attacks since they come in at weird angles. Stabs are more straight line and easier to block with a shield. Of course if you were out flanked or hit a wall of spears that could be coming at you from multiple directions......things got messy.
@@MrBottlecapBill well yeah, piece of steel/wood blocks everything
The problem is, the catchphrase of any character that uses it will automatically become "good day".
Cyril Gigee And where is the problem with that sir?
In no way is this a problem, my friend.
@@Fyrebrand18 Fair enough.
Nobody:
Shad: **brutally murders a dummy and giggles like it's Christmas morning**
Also, totally grabbing your book on payday!
What do you mean nobody? Shad is a man who follows the long established American policy of crackimg things with a big stick. Truly a man of wisdom and culture.
@@hookedblades6471 Too bad he's Australian
@@benthomason3307 Evidence that this wisdom is so great it has spread throughout the world!
Gotta love the human mind sometimes, whenever we need more effective weapons, it always comes back to some variation of a pointy stick. Heck, even when guns came about, it didn’t take long for the problem of their effectiveness in close quarters to be solved by putting a pointy bit on the shooty end
People: The spear is just a pointy stick
Goedendag: Hold me
Well... It's still just a pointy stick. Just one that can easially murder someone to death.
It's awesome when people get clever with their memes. XD
For some reason I couldn't get past the first part without hearing Eric Idol's voice.
Then picturing him running away yelling "See!? I told you!" while John Cleese drops a half eaten banana and gets clubstabbed.
"Hold me". You win over 9000 internet points. Is very good
Hold my bier…?
'Sees a Dutch word being used in one of Shad's video's'
My Heart: "Yeah! Dutch!"
'Hears Shad's pronunciation'
Me: _"oh honey no"_
tbh Dutch pronunciation is kinda the opposite of obvious
@@BigMek456 It's obvious if you're dutch
@@ToonedMinecraft Well most people aren't dutch, so you can't just assume that they know the pronunciation
I had to look up the pronunciation. Then I had to look up one of the IPA characters, because I'd never seen the initial consonant. ":gargle:U-den DA:drier gargle:" is what I wager "goedendag" sounds like to most native English speakers.
@@savagetapioca1672 That's honestly pretty accurate actually
*"Oi, you got a licence for that tool on a stick?"*
There's a tax for that !
*Whacks officer*
See, no more tool on a stick... hello?
@@bulldowozer5858 If I was drinking something, my computer would be fried right now.
Hey just come here man to Merica where ya dont get fined for that
*Loicense
"I love my gambison so much, I don't wanna damage it"
Relatable AF
Flemish peasant to French knight: YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY SIR.
Can you imagine Wonka whipped this out during that scene.
Augustus Gloop would be the only one who'd know what to do... maybe.
Shad: "Long, hard, shaft", "Penetrate."
Me: giggles like the most immature person alive .
You are a very naughty Hobbit Jerkins.
I wanna like this, but you already have 69. So I won't.
I too am forgoing giving you a thumbs up, so as not to deprive you of your current 69 likes.
So you didn't notice when he said "you might have trouble pulling out".
Careful... Watchful Mommies may flag the video as inappropriate! :P
the cap also serves the function of preventing the wood to split when you thrust.
Edit, note to self. watch till the end before commenting.
I was thinking the same during the video, when i reach the end i was like "I knew it!"
Obviously, and its the same on every other weapon with a wooden shaft. Which makes me wonder about axe behind him because it doesn't look like that axe has an eye, instead the axe is fitted inside the wood and then riveted into place. I haven't looked closely on that axe but if i'm seeing things right i doubt it would stand up to much punishment when its built like that.
@@Lappmogel It's a prop, made out of wood. He tried to get it to look like Kratos' axe in God of War.
@@ozkan576 I see, thanks
Haha i've actually bulid one of these as a kid/ preteen with a friend in their workshop. Only longer and with zombiemovie nails to the side.
My parents were horrified
I can see why. X,D
Me: a big fan of spears
Me when is see this weapon: I think I'm in love
Should've been
Me: *happiness noises*
Well, there we go. When the inevitable apocalypse happens and everyone is fighting for gas and cars, I know what weapon my madmax dwarf minions in iron masks will be using. I'll even instruct them to unintelligibly shout "good day" in at least one of seven different languages before each striking, which I'm sure will take anyone by surprise.
I bought the paperback and finished it last weekend. It is one of the best high fantasy I have read in a long time. I can't wait for the sequel *nudge nudge*
Goedendag is actually pronounced with uvulas trills (harsh guttural sound you hear in languages like European Spanish, Russian and Dutch/Flemish) I’ll transcribe it as kh for non-IPA (international Phonetic alphabet) users.
It’s more pronounced like ‘khuyendakh’ than ‘goodendag’ in Dutch, and Flemish is the same as far as my knowledge.
Of course, this is not a rant, nor is it in any way negative, just some feedback and I’m sure it’ll be helpful 😊
Thanks for reading
It is with an /u/ (oo) sound in dutch. In formal standard dutch you would pronounce the d as a /d/ but in casual speach it is indeed often reduced to a /i/ or /j/
What! I thought the Goedendag was a flanged or spiked mace...
not a thicc spear
I am so scared right now.
Common confusion. That would be the morning star/morgenster.
A thicc spear. Yes. This is best name.
Thicc spear wins today's internet award.
Yeah that's a common thing, I think something got lost in translation at one point and when people talked about a pointy club they meant this thing and instead it got depicted as a spiked mace.
Stop it's not thicc there is no butt.
The level of detail and passion of these videos make me feel bad for many of the so called "experts".
So True. Even R. Lee Ermie did a Katana vs. Longsword video. But I think that he Favored the “Ka-Tan-Ah” too much. Plus used a cheap rip-off metal chest plate. And Cheap steel weapons.
There are multiple sources of flemish people using language (especially the g sound) to seperate french from felmish people during the flemish-french wars, so that is probably the right explenation. (For another example see "schild of vriend" from the guldensporenslag)
This commentary is brilliant. Sometimes, a simple (and relatively inexpensive) weapon can be as effective as a vastly more expensive one.
Gambeson? Good day, sir!
Chain mail? Good day, sir!
On a horse? Good day, sir!
This comment is underrated
Plate? I Said Good Day Sir!
what a polite gentleman.
Plate helmet? Good day sir!
Why does this sound like in infomercial tagline of a product sold on tv? Either that, or a pretext before a Trivago joke comes out.
Interesting, I think there may be two stories being confused here. This is what I heard in my history classes (I'm Flemish) : The phrase used to weed out the french was Schild en Vriend (shield and friend) which is very difficult to pronounce by a french speaker. Right now, the phrase is being appropriated by extremist right groups. The name Goedendag was kind of a joke used by the french cavalry because the weapon was the common greeting on the battlefield. The flemish troops called it the pinned staff.
I heard from pops that the same trick was used by the finns against the russians except they were told to say 1 2 3 and if he mispronounced it he'd be shot. Idk about how accurate it is but it seems possible.
Really interesting comment thank you for sharing.
So they didn't actually say "GOOD DAY SIR" and bash them in? :(
At this point there are so many theories surrounding the origins of the Goedendag name that we'll never be sure. The name probably only came into existence after the battle of the golden spurs (and maybe because of it).
I'd highly doubt that the name was coined by French knights though as they didn't speak a word of germanic languages.
The phrase "Schild en vriend" is also uncertain, some say it was " 's gildensvriend" (friend of the guilds) which makes more sense.
In denmark it was "rød grød med fløde" ø=oe
If you give it a sheath, it doubles as a walking stick. It's the poor man's cane sword.
0:41 "If you like your magic epic and hard....hard, meaning, hard magic, as in...err...hard magic rules..as, as...as in.....umm.... *[Shad.exe has stopped working]*
I swear I saw my dentist use one of these.
I'm off to the dentist in an hour...hopefully I will report back safely.
What kind of teeth do you have!? O.o;
they kinda do, one of their tools is like a miniature version of this... no wood though, all metal.
Litter picking poles also look like that.
Just to add to what you were saying about Flemish militia walking up to people and checking if they were French. A common phrase used for that was "schild en vriend" which translates to "shield and friend". Those words will make even the slightest hint of a French accent pop out to the ears of a Flemish person due to the particular way the "sch" and "r" are pronounced by French speakers.
And now people associate schild en vriend with dries van langenhoven
Looks like the weapon is all about functionality. Yeah, sure it doesn't really look "beautiful" but MAN you do not wanna deal with it. Sounds perfect for militias now that I think about it.
edit: fixed some words I somehow forgot to put in there.
I think it looks awesome. Spears are too familiar looking anyways.
Literally had the same thinking gonna have a dnd campaign where town watchmen use these
@Anti-Federalist 1776 the katana is such a bad comparison it's not simple it's not sheep and most definitely not a weapon for common people.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 the weapon was at it's time when it was used expensive and only samurai where allowed to use them. It's not an historically accurate comparison. And it was also not easy to make it takes a master Smith to acutely make them. It was definitely a high class weapon...
Sword is not a suitable weapon for normal people. Also, In real combat, sword is only used as a secondary weapon and against peasants since people do not wear paper into the battlefield. Spear and staff is probably the best weapon for new recruits or "noobs", because they need minimal training to be used efficiently
Goedendag. As in good dagger. Good weapon. Contemporary called "gepinde staf", pinned stave (cfrt. quarterstaff). Never used as a pike, too short. Used in combination with pikes. The latter stopping a cavalry charge, the goedendag used to neutralize horse and knight. Hence the length of the goedendag varies by period. Always a bit longer than a knights sword, giving advantage. Needs to have metal cap, to fence of a sword blow that would otherwise split the wood from the top. The concept of a club becomes popular as the knight starts using plate armor, beginning 14th century. Heavy blow will inflict damage without the need for penetrating armor. Popular weapon with city militias who trained the pike-goedendag combination in large formations as they ware often confronted with cavalry armies. Believe that a goedendag was tailor made to the soldier much as the quarterstaff and used in the same way, though heavier. Not unlikely that sports as baseball, cricket or even golf evolved from militia training games with such weapon.
Greetings, Shad.
Thanks for teaching me about another awesome weapon I never heard of.
10:15 pretty sure the cap is to prevent cracking
after the video, my statement was correct. you owe me a handshake.
And this isn't the only weapon of this sort that does that. (I've been saving up for a proper Halberd, and every single head I've seen, meant to be fitted to your own stave, has a hollow cap with a pair of holes drilled in the sides. No tang on the blade, no hole drilled in the stave, no weak-point. Ram a nail through the stave at the holes, and the head stays on nice and solid, no matter how hard you hit. Even if the stave breaks, you can just go to Home Depot and buy another. The smith I've been talking to has them sized for 1.5" Closet rails, which are $0.80USD/ft
I actually had thought the same exact thing at the beginning of the video
Take my handshake as well. Also, I was thinking the same.
Made complete sense to me.
Goedendag + French knight = _laughing in Flemish_
We'll be reaping golden spurs for years boiz!
@@firenter
Well... a couple of years, at least. Until the French avenge Count Robert of Artois.
Also - French knights suicide charging infantry just seems to be a thing in the 14th and 15th centuries. A massive suicide cult, mayhaps?
@@mattaffenit9898 When I think of French Knights I think of Loris from GoT. Seems apt.
@@mattaffenit9898 Don't remind the nationalists, they'll just say we were with the French!
@@firenter I mean if you look at a map of mideval flanders then anyone that weren't from the provinces west and eest flandres (rufly) would have been neutral as they were part of the hre or in case of Antwerp fighting with the french
In Hai to Gensou no Grimgar, someone named his one-shot-kill technique "Domo!” which meant thank you, in Japanese XD
Fun fact: Domo doesn't only mean "thank you". Its very versatile to the point that you can make a whole conversation simply using the word. So in the right context, it can be used as a greeting. So "Domo" in the context of his finisher move could mean "Thank you" or "Hello"
I was wondering if anyone else was going to mention Grimgar...
you are giving too many weapons to introduce in my DnD campaign!
In DnD have your town watch use these :)
Unless they can get Stronginthearm Crossbows.
Have a Town or City Watch use these. Unless you're giving the Stronginthearm Crossbows.
@@jlokison Nah i will have town and city militias use them with a arming sword and light crossbow also with padded armor.
Don't apologize for your pronunciation. You have done way worse before ;D
Oof
AoE2 newest expansion has it for their new Civ, the Burgundians. The unit is called Flemish Militia.
The shortness would be an advantage in street fighting, compared to full size spears.
Good point but hardly ever someone use medieval weapons in a street figth
@@oscarclaudio2848 LMAO
Like a shelaighle? that Scottish club.
@@enigmaodell6806 irish, and it's spelled shillelagh.
Never bring a knife to a goadendag fight
Hah.. Love the name of this thing. Say goedendag to my little friend.
I actualy heard a joke that it got the name because people snuk op on someone, said 'goedendag' (so 'good day' ) with a smile on their faces, and then bashed the other guy's head in.
@Aint Jack hood day to you sir
In three words or less... "I want one."
Love that line "keep on stabbing to your heart's content..."
me: "Hello there"
person: "*says something other than General Kenobi*"
me: "so uncivilized" *stabby stab time*
Hundreds of years from now: underappreciated historical weapons, the hello there
loving your book shad!!!
take 2: FANTASY REARMED FIGHTING HORDES OF THROWAWAY ENEMIES
We need this shad
Is this related to the "celebration",also an unofficial festive day in the Flanders about the Flemish victory at the battle of Kortrijk in 1302? (Guldensporenslag). Wich is "celebrated" on the 11th of July every year in Belgium/Flanders. This day is the day of the feast of the Flemish population. Where they defeated the French army upon the field with a not so great amount of knights and militia and farmers and the "Goeiendag" (as most Flemish people type or write it) was made a legendary weapon in the Low Lands for ever after. The name "Goeiendag" is thought to come from the moment you stab a person their head nods forward as if to greet you.. But most popular is the moment you hit someone, the Flemishmen would shout GOEIENDAG!! For many Flemish minded people. The battle and the Goeiendag are part of our people and our proud history of defiance and rebelion against more powerfull nations. I hope this shines a light on the Flemish and what they did with that weapon once. Goeiendag! : A Flemishman.
"Goeiendag": The sense of humour of the lowlander deserves greater credit.
2 points worth noting beyond the mechanics of the weapon:
Blending a heavy impact weapon with spears of pikes has some preceedent (I encountered this in wargames army lists).
Romans: traditionally didn't enjoy fighting heavy cavalry - campaigning in Syria they had companies of "palestinian clubmen" working between their formations.
I forget the exact quote but it's something like "One blow from their great clubs would render horse and man senseless - whether armourd or not".
By the 10th century AD, Byzantime armies developed a super-heavy spear called the Menaulion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menaulion
The description suggests it was too long for club use, and that it was again mixed with regular infantry formations.
The other point is the army at Kortrijk was quite unlike others of its time; being composed of city militias organised by the various trade guilds.
Others at the time combined a warrior aristocracy with usually rural militias.
Kortrijk was one of the earliest of a sequence of battles that saw the foot soldier regain the upper hand that he had lost to the armoured knight.
Stirling Bridge, Bannockburn, Crecy, etc.
It was an age of traditional weapons being used with new doctrines.
This sudden change ensures that the Goiendag deserves a place in history alongside the Longbow and Long spear.
Excellent video..
On another note, legend has it the Flemish would not say “goedendag” to root out any Frenchmen, they would have them repeat the phrase “schild & vriend” which translates to “shield & friend”. Frenchmen cannot pronounce the “sch-“ sound, when they want to say “schild” they will say something that sounds like “skilled”. Dead giveaway 😊
yes that's the battle taking place shortly after driving out the french.
France was not happy with this and send a knightly army to destroy the rebellion.
It happened to be that the battlefield was very muddy and swamp like, so the heavy knights got stuck in their cavalry charge and the flemish peasents just went berserk on them.
They took nearly no prisoners which was actually a common thing back then to just take a knight prisoner and ask for ransom.
The french nobility was horrified from this experience since they lost a lot of their new generation.
They then send another army and it crushed the rebellion, but that part we do not include when speaking about our glorious victory
@@captainjadi8924 Ah, shibboleths. A similar shibboleth the Dutch used (hey, it's the Low Countries again, they know what works!) was the name 'Scheveningen' -- which if memory serves, they used on the Germans.
The nodding of the head when stabbed is also the reason i know for the name Goedendag.
Flemish here.
Your pronunciation is not to far of. It is pronounced nearly the same as the German.
Another reason for the name I hav been told is:
When a mounted knight passed you by, the spear point could be used to jam it up into relatively unprotected throat area. often severing tendons which made the head of the rider tilt or "knod" forward. As if the rider was greeting you a good day.
the not being able to speak flemish was indeed used for "purging" french from cities but the phrase used was "schild en vriend" (shield and friend). This is due to the hard "sch"and "vr" sounds being very hard to pronounce correctly for non native speakers. this event is know to us as "de brugse metten" or matins of Bruge on 18 may 1302.
Also Flemish here, can confirm. :p
So similar to the way the dutch used "Scheveningen" to detect germans :)
Also Flemish here and the "Schild en Vriend" anecdote you are mentioning it actually an anachronism that is quite popular but actually wrong. It's something that was added to a chronicle 2 centuries after the fact (in a diffrent handwriting even) and if it was actually used it was probably Gilden Vriend (meaning friend of the Guilds) who were the main force of the revolt.
The name "Goedendag" itself probably comes from "Goede Dagge" and a more accurate translation would be "Good Dagger".
nah it was the great zombie pandemic of 1302 smacky end vs zombies but then they spent points on poky end vampire bonus
It’s called a Shibboleth. Identifying spies and foreigners that way is ancient.
Nice how Shad demonstrates at the end of the video what the metal cap on the weapon is for (next to preventing the wood from splitting when using it to stab).
Oh Shad... Shad... I have your book now. And I’m going to read it! Woo hoo
Thanks shad, now I'm going to be really wary of anybody that says "good day" to me. The safety of both me and polite people are now gone. GOOD DAY SIR!!!
That looks absolutely devastating and I also wonder if there were any examples that had metal bands around it to enhance the clubbing capabilities
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. In one of the pictures in the beginning of the episode it looks like a goedendag with a hefty metal ring which, if so, might've doubled as a way to hang the weapon on the wall as well as making it more damaging.
Some of the examples I see with a google search had the cap extend quite a bit, but that's about it. Putting metal bands on it, while possible and effective, would extend production time considerably. The Goedendag is very much an "I need to arm a large number of men on a tight budget" kind of weapon, any fancy blacksmith work like bands around it was a secondary concern. I doubt any rich knight ever commissioned a personal top of the line goedendag. If anyone has, I want to see it.
I believe that if you were to add spikes to it, it would be closer to an "evenstar" or "eveningstar"
@@uhdude34 Eveningstar seems to be a name invented entirely for Mordhau. A morningstar is a mace head type, they weren't distinguished by name for 1 and 2 handed morgensterns.
@@KaoVamp eh, wouldn't surprise me if that were true
Who's here after the Burgundians released in Age of Empires II DE with their OP goedendag users Flemish Militia?
I’m here from mount and blade
Oh look, two of my favorite weapons fused together.
“Good day sir” is the spear’s club “end him rightly”
This sword meme will never die and I love it
I mean, how better to wish a good day than with a mace to the face?
Ok, I have the scenario...
Flemish patroler: Goedendag meneer.
French: Pardon, qu'avez-vous dit?
*SMASH*
Flemish: Ik zei GOEDENDAG MENEER!
[laughs in bruxellois]
If "Good day" is the name of a brutal weapon like that, I don't want to see the weapon named "OhhellNo!" Lololol
Probably a serrated two handed Zweihander sword. Nick named by some crazy flamboyant German Doppelsöldner
I think this _is_ that weapon. "Good day" but with better steel. Just put a cap on the thing and there's your Oh Hell No.
It's just a pommel detached from the sword.
Given the humor involved, it would probably be something like a feather on a stick.
Shield up: ohhellno!
And yes, the cap is must for any appliance of any steel element stuck in the wood both for tools and for weapons. And there is name for it:
FERRULE
Isn't it just as good if you wrap a wire around the end of the wood many times?
Here in the Uited States the Naative Americans used rawhide as wrapping . Just buy a dog chew toy made of rawhide , soak it in water for a couple of days then wrap it around something and let it dry .
Pokey club stick... i like where this is going
in Finland we have a saying "Hyvää päivää kirvesvartta". It literally translates to 'good day ax shaft'. That could mean something like the Goedendag, but it doesn't though. It just means two people speaking about totally different issue in a conversation.