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"Michael Corleone says hello"
In Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather Part II, Frank Pentangeli (Michael V Gazzo) testifies against Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) because he thinks he has been betrayed by Michael. But the reason Frank thinks Michael betrayed him is due to a line said by Tony Rosato (Danny Aiello) which has confused Godfather fans for years, and it’s when Pentangeli is being strangled, and Tony Rosato says “Michael Corleone says hello” implying, of course, that the Rosato brothers are in cahoots with Michael to get rid of Frank. But why would the Rosato brothers say this? - Фільми й анімація
I attended an Italian wedding in The 70’s and the actor that played Pentangeli, sat at our table. His real life personna was exactly like the character he played in the movie. Incredibly funny as well….
He was a writer too. Wrote the Broadway play "A Hatful of Rain". RIP
did he get up on the stage and play pop goes the weasel?
@@hankscorpion No, but he did pick up a fork and start eating off of my girlfriend’s plate…
He was hysterical and quite the personality…
The wedding was at the house of another Italian actor, ‘Mario Gallo’, who was a good friend of my Father.
You can look Mario up and see all the TV shows and films he was featured in.
I was there to play music for his daughters wedding.
I'm jealous in the best way. Great memory.
Paz y luz. And rest in paradise, Michael.
✨
The cop randomly spoiling a major hit was taken from real life. During the Crazy Joe Gallo war, they set up Gallo's brother in just the same way at a peace meeting at a bar and a cop randomly walked in irl and saved him. So coincidence though it may be, it happened irl 🙂👍
They wanted everyone to think Michael double crossed him
That line of "_ _ _ _ _ says hello", or something similar, was used pretty regularly in gangster and mob movies from the 1920s to the 1960s and even then still used once in a while after - it was used to let the victim know who was responsible for their death.
In The Godfather 2 it could be they are using it either for the same reason (to let Frank know Michael is having him killed) or because they intend to let Frank live - if Frank runs to the feds his being left alive would do more damage to Michael and the Corleone family than if they just killed Frank.
"JERRY! HELLO!" -- Uncle Leo
Even Jaime Lannister sent his regards.
I think Roth set it all up so Pantageli was confused and had to flip. Roth tried to get rid of Mike in two ways. Jail or the grave.
Entirly possible Roth told them that Michael gave the go ahead and to say it to Frank.
If Frank died, his rivals got a last jab at making him think he was betrayed by Michael, if he lived, he'd definatly flip and testify against Michael just to save his own life (and get revenge).
Roth wouldn't have promoted or encouraged testifying
Bingo
The senator who arranges the comitee works with Roth
@@Mukation gg q fc
I always took it as an extra protection against Frank and Michael discovering it was Roth. If he’s dead, he’s dead but if he lives, he’s on Michael scent instead of Roth which ultimately happened
my friend and i met gazzo in la and he asked him about this. gazzo said "it was a hole in the script"
It's a CineRanter message...it means Borko sleeps with the shineboxes.
I don’t think it’s out of the question that they simply said that line to frank as one last FU. There may be something satisfying to the Rosato brothers with frank hearing that little phrase as he’s dying.
I always thought Roth set up the hit to make the Rosato brothers think the Corleone family set it up. Willi Cici even said the family used a lot of buffers in the hearings. I think this is why Rosato says this line when killing Pentagili. They might not have had anything to do with Michael's hit and thought Pantagili did and was hitting Pantagili for Michael and/or Roth. They didn't really no who ordered it or why.
Roth did set up the hit to make it look like that. The actor improvised the line in the first take- it wasn’t actually in the script but Coppola left it in just to add another layer of confusion and deception in the whole situation.
Willie Cici said a pun in Italian slang. _Baffe_ means "to fuck" or "fucker"; a derivative is _Baffanculo_ meaning "to fuck in the ass".
Cici was saying that there were a lot of "fuckers" in the organization. Those in the know in the courtroom are laughing.
Michael asks Roth "Who had Frank Pentangeli killed?" and Roth answers "The Rosatos." To which Michael asks "Who gave the go ahead?" Meaning the Rosato Brothers would have been looking for permission...the "go ahead" from a Family authority...before making a move against Pentangeli. This happens in Goodfellas...The Family Don gives the "go ahead" to kill Tommy in retaliation for his killing of Billy Batts, a made man. Similarly, in order to avoid a war, the Rosatos needed Michael's ok to whack Pentangeli...and Roth used a "buffer" to relay the false permission. The Rosatos were simply letting Pentangeli know that Michael, as they believed, had given the "go ahead'...one final fuck you before he died.
Y’all talk about advanced conspiracies… Imagine if you will Roth thinking if only all the pieces of the puzzle fit together correctly…I have no doubt how all this’ll play out 🧩 I already know how this person will react given a contentious situation So?☝️ let me try doing this and it will make them do that… Of course it will all be predicted on response and?☝️….. luck 🍀 but if I know human nature and I’ve seen plenty of scenarios play out before?….. everything should fall in line seamlessly…..😊👍….
I really appreciate your taking this issue up. I have always thought that Godfather 2 is a great film, but not as tight or perfect as Godfather 1, and this is a big reason. Indeed, everyone is somewhat confused about the plot of the Michael Corleone story. I don't know how this can be a better film than the Godfather if we are never sure what is happening.
agree.though masterpieces the movies have a simply giant plothole which in fairness is dealt with in the unofficial novels that continue the story after part 2.put simply its michael.apart from the fact that the whole point of his character is that he isnt in the mafia not a made man but a civillian hence able to catch sollozo by surprise { another point is that once they know they can track sollozo because the wherebouts of maclusky is fairly easy to discover so why involve michael at all} no one raises a word of complaint when he takes over the family.the mafia leadership is not heiriditry.then michael becomes obsessed with secrecy to the point of lunacy.hes going to take out the 5 families but tells tessio and clemenza that hes abandoning them to go to nevada! rather than face death in to what seems to him total betrayal by his new godfather who is leaving him to the wolves tessio makes a sensible arrangement with the other families to survive.had michael let him know as he must have done with clemenza who carries out one of the hits that its all a bluff he wouldnt have turned to the 5 families for help. likewise pentangeli is confused with enemies on all sides no one to trust so goes to the feds.had michael taken him into his confidence the situation would never have occurred.in short michael seems to trust no one yet expects unquestioning loyalty from his men. i cant help feeling that if this was real life michael would reign a very short while! apart from his strategy of apparently giving in to his strongest enemies which must go down a bundle with the troops on the ground who dont know his grand scheme he also has a nasty habit of sending his oldest highest ranking bosses on suicide missions for no apparent reason.rocco lampone and his old pal from sicily who protected him when his wife was killed are both sent on hits they have no chance of surviving from.unlike his dad michael seems to make a virtue out of screwing or destroying the men most loyal to him.tessio pentangeli even tom hagen are all destroyed until apart from al neri by no three there is no long serving member of the corleone family still alive except the sicilian who reunites with michael only to be sent to his death! hes hardly an inspiring leader.
@steven 100% agree. It’s unnecessarily over-complicated
I like the idea that they figured Michael sanctioned it. When Roth and Michael sat down, Michael did say "so pantangelli is a dead man?"
Yeah but Michael was testing Roth when he made that statement. He was doing Roth like Don Vito did Barzini. He wanted Roth to show his hand.
Michael asks Roth "Who had Frank Pentangeli killed?" and Roth answers "The Rosatos." To which Michael asks "Who gave the go ahead?" Meaning the Rosato Brothers would have been looking for permission...the "go ahead" from a Family authority...before making a move against Pentangeli. This happens in Goodfellas...The Family Don gives the "go ahead" to kill Tommy in retaliation for his killing of Billy Batts, a made man. Similarly, in order to avoid a war, the Rosatos needed Michael's ok to whack Pentangeli...and Roth used a "buffer" to relay the false permission. The Rosatos were simply letting Pentangeli know that Michael, as they believed, had given the "go ahead'...one final fuck you before he died.
@@ritparent7239 what “buffer” did Roth use?
There is a barman in the scene. Whatever the result of the attempt on Pentageli the barman would be the first to be asked what happened? The barman will say someone killed Pentageli and said hello from Corleone (making Corleone prime suspects) OR someone tried to kill Pentageli and said hello from Corleone ( making Corleone prime suspects again). In both cases Corleone will be the ones to blame and Corleone will be in trouble....
It was only confusing the first time you watch. Put within the context of the entire film, it's pretty clear that Roth instructed Rosatto to say or do something to make Frank think Michael was behind the hit. Tom even confirms this, more or less, later in the movie. It was a brilliant contingency plan that would still neutralize Frank if the hit failed, as well as hurt the Corelones.
It makes no sense .how would he stay alive if that random cop did not showed up
@@kinidiosodlosios6892 Exactly!
But the goal was to kill him. You don't go into an assassination thinking you will fail. Unless it's fir the benefit of the barman. It's for us, the audience.
Keep in mind that a lot of this happens when Tom Hagen is the acting Don. That gives Pentangeli's final scene hidden layers of meaning.
Such as?
Onions have layers
My opinion: Roth was Michael’s equal at playing people. He, like Michael, was a step ahead and he liked to plant seeds of distrust. Rosato saying the line was probably meant two ways, 1. He wanted frank to think his family betrayed him before dying. And 2. It was an extra insurance policy if for some reason he survived it would be a way for frank to turn on Michael.
The supposedly botched attack on Pentangeli is explained later on by Tom who said: 'It was Roth, he planned it beautifully'.
I always felt that the Rosato brother’s wanted to get that one last dig at Frank before they killed him… it’s cruel to know someone you trusted and loved growing up would do that to you… also remember Frank was technically supposed to be Clemenza…
Clemenza died so they brought in a new character to replace him.
@@Thespeedrap The actor that played Clemenza pretty much didn’t return so they turned Clemenza’s part into Frank… if the actor really wanted to return it would’ve Been more emotional because Clemenza was so beloved to see him almost got strangled to death Would’ve hit differently
No apostrophe is necessary
@@WarTheory of course I'm glad he didn't return because he was the nicest guy in the mafia circle Frank on the other hand was just a old complainer 😄
@@WarTheory Richard Castellano wanted to return but he also wanted a pay raise but they refused to pay him the $100,000 more he was asking for so they found someone else. The line at the bar was also improvised by the actor. It wasn’t actually in the script but Coppola liked the idea of leaving it in so it would add another layer of deception and confusion to the plot.
It always made sense to me that it was intentionally failed
Exactly. That's the only reason the line would be said. It was a False Flag attack.
Michael asks Roth "Who had Frank Pentangeli killed?" and Roth answers "The Rosatos." To which Michael asks "Who gave the go ahead?" Meaning the Rosato Brothers would have been looking for permission...the "go ahead" from a Family authority...before making a move against Pentangeli. This happens in Goodfellas...The Family Don gives the "go ahead" to kill Tommy in retaliation for his killing of Billy Batts, a made man. Similarly, in order to avoid a war, the Rosatos needed Michael's ok to whack Pentangeli...and Roth used a "buffer" to relay the false permission. The Rosatos were simply letting Pentangeli know that Michael, as they believed, had given the "go ahead'...one final fuck you before he died. The fact that he survived was an unforeseen one-in-a-million chance that a cop would walk in and interrupt the hit.
The line wasn’t actually in the script. The actor improvised it on the spot because I guess he wanted a speaking part and Coppola left it in to further add another layer of confusion and deception between Michaels family and the guys working for Hyman Roth.
I think we've got it now.
Danny Aiello talks about how he improvised the line on his episode of Gilbert Gottfried's podcast.
The beauty about this scene is that something really similar happen on the Colombo family during the war between Joe Profaci and Joey Gallo, one of the Gallo brothers walked into a Brooklyn bar was being strangle by a member of a rival crew, all of the sudden a cop walked in and interrupted the hit.
That's always puzzled me as well; thanks for clearly expressing the various possibilities.
It was sad to horrify, to show that he had no friends or allies. He has been abandoned by his Don.
I think the Rosatos and Roth hated Pentangeli so much that they wanted his final thoughts to be that he was betrayed by Michael. The hit failed but the comments tormented Pentangeli enough to snitch on Michael. I think it just worked out that way in Roth’s favor.
Imagine making a movie so great, people are still trying figure scene's out like this, we'll over 40 year's later...what a master piece.
Indeed
As for that cop, you're alone. 2 gangs are shooting it out outside. So you can TRY being a hero and bring peace between them. Or you use the bar's phone, call for back up, and sit back enjoying the show outside. I go for the latter.
The prospect of it being a hoax seems unlikely, because the Rosatos wouldn't be pussy-footing around with a hit on their main rival. Which means they probably were informed that Michael ordered the hit by Roth - after all, Michael had himself told Roth he was going to take out Pentageli, which give Roth some wiggle room, even though he denied responsibility. Roth took Michael's gambit (pretending to be going after Pentangeli) and forced it himself. The Rosatos were simply giving Pentageli the kiss-off taunt. It was entirely chance that the cop came in interrupting the hit - but the taunt tied the narrative together - yes, a bit too neatly. I think that accounting holds together fairly well. One of the film's great devices was NEVER showing Roth's planning explicitly. It is always by implication, by unfolding events.
Danny Aiello said that he had adlibbed the line and was chastised by Coppola for it. By that point in the filming, even Puzo and Coppola had not established who ordered the hit.
The adlibbed line take was put back in after they realized that there was otherwise no indication to Pentangeli that he’d been targeted by Michael. He would have gone to his death (had he not lived,) thinking the Rosatto brothers had double tossed the Corleone family, not him personally.
Other theories expressed in these comments are interesting to various degrees but this is how it actually happened.
Thanks man I as well have always pondered this one
What's confusing? Roth and the Risotto brothers told Danny Aiello to say that to Pentangele to trick him into betraying Michael.
And then Willy That Was No Heart Attack Cicci gets clipped in the aftermath out in the street. But Pentangele was never supposed to actually be killed.
yes, this.
Is there not a line when Tom Hagan talks about all five families coming after them? That always confused me when the Corleone's are one of the five.
i think tom says "all of the other five families will come down on us."
The order from Roth to the Rosattos:
“Put a mock execution on Five Angels. Make it seem Michael have the nod. Bring in whoever you need to; barman, cops, civilians, whoever. We need him alive to bring the Corleone family down from within. Michael is his father’s son. He’s smart. Make it happen”.
Wish I could like this twice.
“Michael Corleone-y says hello; *thank god for speech therapy!”*
frank didn't flip willingly the feds had him cold on several murder raps
It's Danny EYE-ello.
My theory is that Michael just wanted to say hello and that the Risato bros just happened to pass the message on while strangling
Michael was not in on it. It was Roth
Great little channel here blud 👍👌
I hadn't paid it any attention until today here, worked well for me..
Additional fact: In the videogame the same scene plays along with your character Dominique. He also survives and escapes the bars and murders several cops and Rosato Associates during his escape.
However, Dominique instead confronts Michael about this, to which Michael says that it was Carmine and Tony who set him up. It’s then later indeed pointed out that it was said as a way off insurance in case they would survive.
Mike didn't want Pantagili killed. He asked Roth who gave the order. He said I didn't.
I always assumed the cop was paid off to interrupt the strangulation and therefore leave Pentangeli with the impression it was Michael who ordered the hit on him.
THIS WAS DEFINITELY THE MOST CONFUSING LINE EVER! THANK YOU!
Hagen called it when he said "Roth played this one beautifully." If he gives up Frank to the Rosatto brothers, but also sends a tip to one of his guys on the force all they would need to do is sit on the meeting spot and go in after a few minutes to catch them in the act
Michael was throwing red herrings to everyone all over the place, when they tried to kill him through his window.
It's not too much of a stretch that he actually tried to kill Pantangelli, and Roth, both at the same time.
All these years later and I still don’t know why he says it. Part II is a good movie but at times trips over it’s own over-complications.
This is a nod to real life assassin attempt of Larry Gallo during the Colombo war!
In reality , that attack was based on an actual attempted murder of one of the Gallo brothers, Larry Gallo. The man who was a one time Gallo Ally that set him up, also earned his Nick name, Carmine “The Snake” Persico
Mike did give the ok remember when he said Pete a deadman and Roth said small Potatoes
No he didn't. He implied to Roth he was going to have it done, which is different. Later in Havana he confronted Roth about it.
Michael did say Pantagili was a dead man. And, Roth said he was small potatoes. So, Roth could give the go ahead and say he did Mike a favor.
I always thought it was a attempted hit sanctioned by Michael. The way the " victim" came to talk to Michael irked him.
I think your theory of a fake hit on Frank to plant the idea that Michael wants him dead is the best one. And Frank wouldn't have to "go the FBI." The cops would have picked him and Willie up at the site of the shootout. If Roth arranged the cop's arrival just in time, he coud also have arranged police presence near the bar in expectation of the gunfight. And Frank looked in rough shape - he didn't look like he was going anywhere fast. The arrival of the cop seems too conveniently timed to be an accident, so he had to be in on the plan.
Dang! Now I’ll have to go back and watch “The Godfather” and “The Godfather II” more intently just for this, knowing that the line was ad lib.
It's obvious when Michael confronts Roth in the Cuban hotel and asks, "who gave the order to have Pantangeli killed, I know I didn't?" and Roth becomes very angry and gives himself up by saying that because of the hit on Moe Green, he wanted revenge, even though he tries to dismiss it by saying, " I didn't like it, but I let it go, because it had nothing to do with business!" Michael knew from that retort that it was Roth and was also planning to eliminate him as well, it shows criminal minds at work between both of them, a great scene.
All things considered I think it was just the Rosotto brother being spiteful. Knowing that the last thought of Pentangalie was that he was also double crossed
This was one of the least mysterious or confusing lines in the Godfather films.
I think most people overthink this, Roth set it up. dead or not frank was the play as we see it play out later
It really was a crazy situation and makes no sense. Unless, as you said, he really did plot the interruption so Frank would flip. But it was a crazy risky move and did lead to a very messy shootout. Also, Michael tells Roth that Pentangeli is dead, and asks who gave the order.
Very twisted mystery
don't know if you heard yet but David Chase confirmed Tony Soprano's death in an interview a few days ago. I'm shocked you haven't done a video yet.
Pantagili was supposed to die Roth set this up and had the hit man deliver the line to one cover his ass two start a civil war amongst the corleones and three break the will the spirit of frank in the final moments of his life
Can you do a video of why Hyman Roth is going to prison in the US but Michael isn’t ? Never made sense to me
See I’ve always thought this was just misdirection on the part of the Rusotios but u make great points, always originally it was a adlib but the actor DA
Nothing confusing here. Pantaliga and the Rosato brothers were at a meeting. They tried to kill him, and by saying MC says hello, trying to get him to think that he was betrayed. They didn't expect him to live, so that this is another FU to Pantaliga. But, he survived, and figuring that he had been betrayed, went to the FBI.
Agreed
What’s the point of making him “think” anything if they’re just going to kill him??
Agree. They did intend to kill him, but wanted his dying thoughts to be that Michael had ordered the hit.
If the words hadn’t been said I think it’s implausible that 5 angels would have contemplated betraying Michael. He loved the family.
Just came from a purekino video and I gotta say it's much better hearing someone dissect and try to interpret media instead of just giving a play by play.
Even if Frank dies...anyone who is a witness also thinks it was on the order if Michael.
I always thought it was a sardonic thing for a killer to say to the man he's killing. As you said, shocking and insulting him as he dies. By coincidence it set Frank up to flip. It was all a big misunderstanding.
One theory is the ‘hit’ was staged, including a knowing bartender and phony cops. Roth didn’t want him dead, just ‘betrayed’.
Still vague based on Aiello’s ‘adlib’……
And it was Jonny Ola his sicilian errand boy that tells the Rosado brothers Michael is on board to ease the reservations of the Rosatos when he tells them Hyman Roth wants Pantangelli dead
Hyman Roth wanted to fake an attempt on Frank's life and have Frank believe Michael had done it.
It was simply said to cause rumors when the bartender got questioned by the police.... or rumors on the block if bartender got pushed for info by gangsters.
I always took it as them saying that Michael was the reason for Frank being attacked just by association not the man who ordered it.
This mess all started when Johnny Olla told Fredo that Mike never had the making’s of a varsity athlete
I always kinda took it to mean something like "you can thank the Don for this" cause it's his fault they're at war, or that the hit was intentionally botched to cause internal conflict within the Corleone family. Even if he doesn't go to the Feds it's bound to cause a lotta problems. But who knows.
Yeah, I've always heard it as "where's your protection now; taunting him about deciding to ally with Michael"
Nobody, and I mean nobody, was confused by that line; everyone knew that it was a murder that went wrong. The murderer was just adding another level of pain as he tried, and failed, to kill him 🤦.
I just figured they wanted to break his heart before he died.
I always figured that the attempted “hit” on Frank was just a ruse, to scare him into turning against Michael, and that the cop was paid to intercept at the right moment so that Frank would survive and then flip afterwards.
The reason I thought this on first viewing is that the scene is shot very dimly and is so sudden, it makes it feel more like a red herring than a real assassination scene. Other attack scenes in the Godfather films have a purposeful sense of foreboding and dread before the violence occurs, but this one just comes right out of nowhere and therefore feels like a scare tactic.
The chaotic gunfight in the street was clearly not planned well, but that just add to the confusion and solidifies Franks motivation to turn against Michael.
That’s what I love about these films, rather than spelling everything out to the audience, they let us figure out the plot intricacies ourselves which makes the experience more engaging.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was confused! After trying over the years to think it all through, I really don't know if there's a clear answer...And I think maybe that was intentional? There are so many layers of deceit all through the film, maybe no one knows the real truth of what happened?
Nope. I think the cop was part of the facade.
Although it stretches credulity, I believe that it was a set up and that the cop wasn’t a real cop. Most of the scenes in GF2 parallel scenes in GF1 but are a variation. You have the first baptism scene paralleling the wedding scene at the beginning. You have the dead horse head in the bed in GF1 and a dead prostitute in the bed in GF2 the purpose of which in both cases are “plants” intended to get the guy in bed to comply with the Don’s wishes after initially refusing them. You have parallel scenes at hospitals with Michael protecting his father from assassination in GF1 while sending an assassin to kill Roth in the hospital in GF2. I believe the cop entering the bar was not a real cop but some mob guy in a cop uniform paralleling Al Neri knocking off Barzini. It’s the only explanation that makes sense but it is quite a convoluted scheme for Roth to have planned.
The Godfather is all about the theatrics and that is a memorable line. With the real version with the Gallo's and the meeting with Persico did someone say that to him? I can't remember. I never understood why Michael who was always so cunning and smart couldn't see past his own nose in GF2. Obviously it wasn't Frank in Tahoe. Why would he send a team to shoot up a house with his kids inside? IRL, it would have been up close and personal and Frank would have probably have an underlying do it. But I guess the shooting through the windows imitates life with the real Bugsy hit, even though Moe Green was shot through his glasses.
Also who opened the windows? Pantalgia was always surrounded by his bodyguard and would be suspicous if someone saw him. Who better than to walk around Mike's house and not arrouse suspicion than __________________?
@@gbonkers666 Fredo. That’s how he helped them. Rocco was also probably in on it and he’s the one who killed the two assassins- Michael told him he wanted them alive and somebody slit their throats- somebody they already knew and trusted. Michael probably knew it was him which is why Rocco went on the suicide mission at the end of the movie to kill Roth- to redeem himself in Michaels eyes for betraying him in the first place.
So how mang times Pantagieli died?
A few less than a cat.
Cicci, The Door!
The hit was orchestrated by Roth, he wanted Frank in that final moment to believe that Micheal had betrayed him. Frank was a street guy, a fighter, he would have fought the assassination to his last breath, maybe even in that struggle alert someone. But if he thought the hit was Micheal that would have killed him inside and made him loose the will to live. Him surviving the hit and flipping on Michael was an unforeseen side effect that Roth could sill use in his favor, he wanted Frado in charge of the family because Frado cold be easily controlled in effect Roth would be in charge of the most powerful crime family in he world While still getting his revenge for what hapend to Moe Green. But if he couldn't gain control then he could at least watch the whole thing burn.
Michael asks Roth "Who had Frank Pentangeli killed?" and Roth answers "The Rosatos." To which Michael asks "Who gave the go ahead?" Meaning the Rosato Brothers would have been looking for permission...the "go ahead" from a Family authority...before making a move against Pentangeli. This happens in Goodfellas...The Family Don gives the "go ahead" to kill Tommy in retaliation for his killing of Billy Batts, a made man. Similarly, in order to avoid a war, the Rosatos needed Michael's ok to whack Pentangeli...and Roth used a "buffer" to relay the false permission. The Rosatos were simply letting Pentangeli know that Michael, as they believed, had given the "go ahead'...one final fuck you before he died. The fact that he survived was an unforeseen one-in-a-million chance that a cop would walk in and interrupt the hit.
@@ritparent7239 Yeah, the Rosato brothers were pawns. But Roth had them in his pocket whether they knew it or not. They hated Frank because he represented the old school and with that comes the old school codes, lines that can not be crossed. Whether or not to hit was even sanctioned is a relevant. They wanted him gone and they had the muscle to do so. But how does one get that kind of muscle and power so quickly? Connections, the kind of connections Roth had. He was playing things from every direction Frado in charge of the legit businesses, while the Rosatos run the street stuff. With Roth secretly controlling it all. All he had to do was deal with Micheal.
??? Is the explanation in part 2?
that line has always bothered me - but i do like the taunting idea - that makes me feel better
i agree with cineranter that the aiello character was just delivering a final taunt. they seemed pretty intent on killing frankie, and they weren't waiting for a cue to begin the execution just in time for the cop to walk in and save the day. not only that, if it was meant to be a charade to get frankie to turn on michael, would the risotto brothers really engage in an actual gunfight for realism's sake? doubtful. roth, though, seeing that his plan to kill frankie was thwarted, was nevertheless able to make use of this mistake to his benefit and have frankie set up michael. what i'm wondering is why michael didn't know that pentangeli was still alive when he asked roth who ordered the killing. had michael known that, wouldn't he have made some attempt to reach out to frankie and try to gain his trust again? what source gave michael the information on pentangeli after the assassination attempt? Did roth get the news first and suppress it to keep michael in the dark?
It’s the presence of the cop that makes this scene a mystery to me to this day. There is a lot of fly shit said to a guy just before he’s murdered in this series, so the fact that aiello says what he says before strangling pentangeli doesn’t mean he wasn’t actually trying to kill him.
GF3: ”he who builds on the people builds on mud” or
GF: “hello carlo”
..doesn’t negate their intent
I think he says that to make frank think michael did it...fail to kill? Don't know, unless it was set up for frank to testify from the start, killing frank served no purpose to injur Michael that much, but the trial was their best bet, until Michael showed up with his brother
I honestly just think it's a bad line from a masterpiece of a film. It logically makes no sense no matter how you try to spin it.
There is a scene in The Godfather when Sonny is beating up Carlo and Sonny's punch comes nowhere near Carlo's face, yet Carlo reacts as if he's been hit. How did Francis miss that? My point is even the greats like Coppola can screw up
Could you please, make a video about an hypothetical Don Barzini-Roth War. Who do you think would win?
I am with Don Barzini!!!
Thank you in advance!!!
Michael asking him to lay down to the rosato brothers, then appearing at his house after the attempt at michael's estate and having him go and make peace with the Rosatos where he was set up. Maybe the FBI also had a strong case and he thought he couldn't trust michael or anyone else.
It only really makes sense if they didn't mean to kill Pentangeli, whether the cop was in on it or not (which I don't think he was; it was just dumb luck).
Frank was working with Roth and MC figured it out
If the cop didn't interrupt and Frank had died - that means there likely wouldn't have been the senate hearings later in the movie.
It was Roth's "awfully elaborated" plan from the begining. You qualified it properly. That's why Hagen called it a "masterplan" or something like that.
If it was not so elaborated and well realized, Pentangeli would not bite.
Roth knew Micheal would knew he ordered the shot in Micheal's room, so he tried to go one step ahead and set Micheal up with Pentangeli brilliantly.
Pentangely was fooled.
Yeah thought it was a taunt before he dies
It was supposed to be cinematic, a La patsy Parisi
Good to know I'm not alone....I have always been bothered by this part of the movie plot. Question: Does the book shed any light on this at all?
It drives the story forward, us the viewers, don’t know the outcome is for Frank to flip, but him becoming an informant was already apart of the script. Not a head scratcher, it’s to help viewers who may not understand why he flipped if his rivals tried to kill him, what’s his motivation to turn on Michael
There's nothing confusing about that line they were trying to make it seem like Michael was the one that ordered him to be killed
Yeah, that line threw the whole film off for me.