Make the Leopard 1 a tier 9 to replace the PTA (or move the PTA to tier 8 and bump the Indien to premium status), add the Leopard A1 with spaced armor turret, side skirts, and improved gun handling and slightly improved dpm.
@@k4v4x centurion line has armor and 10 degrees of gun depression. WG can mess with the guns however they want, as long as they keep the essence of the Leopard line (reliable, decent pen guns, mobile platforms, and low armor)
its bullshit that its ultra accurate stabilized german gun gets such bad dispersion on the move whereas the obj 140 is basically auto aim and fire going full speed with a good probability of a hit.
yup. hidden stats. while the Leopard 1 in real life was THE tank to shoot on the move, with a modern firing control. but instead QB is talking about the tank being first at the Bovington tankfest. I don't blame QB, he's trying to do something positive and he does say it needs a buff (some love). But why does the K91 an awesome gun handling and this one not? questions.. questions..
There is a hidden stat behind the hidden stats that makes it even worse, its called RNG, and even if WG doesn't admit it, it changes from tank to tank, german and french tanks have the worst RNG value
It is also the problem of the game itself... 1 thing alot of people seem to forget is that something like the leo should be shooting at like 1-2km not 200m and that is the thing that gets over looked. Tanks engagement range is waaaay longer than what we see in game so something like a tiger for instance has bad armour in game. But in real life it was pretty good because tanks fought at far longer ranges on the average than world of tanks does.
@@michaeldawson6309 prem rounds are 330 which isnt poor...if you're still reliably bouncing prem rounds in that tank then its either insanely bad RNG or you just cant aim lol. But the fact that it has less standard prem than the E50 M who's supposed to be on the frontlines is just BS
@@devenpapineau6261 Ok my premium rounds don't all bounce but they do so little damage from what should be almost a Tank destroyer. Its still crap :-) I am having more fun in my E25.
@@michaeldawson6309 I feel you on that. Except of course you're going to have more fun in an overpowered premium tank destroyer than a powercreeped German medium lol
During my military service (yes, I am that old) I spent two months training in a Leopard I. It didn't feel badly armoured to me. I once bumped my head on the turret and didn't even scratch the paint. However, my head quickly turned an unhealthy color.
Leopard 1 became a victim of powercreep... it's that simple. Why should I play a Leo if I can play a M48? Except the speed and accuracy its better in every way and the drawbacks are so small that its not really a argument to play the Leo...It would really be better die the game if they stopoed making new premiumtanks every month and buff older tanks who need it. Wargaming always brags that they have over 200 tanks, but what good are they when only 20 or so are playable because the rest is underpowered and flatout worse?
TheBlueNight well ever played on highway trying to get to an important location? Or trying to get on the hill on Malinovka, or having to rush back to decap? 48 km/h to 65 km/h is a huge difference imo but yes m48 over leo1 in the current state
RodelIturalde Difference between 0.3 and 0.4 is huge. It is all about aiming. Good player can handle both guns pretty well, but with 0.4 he can't reliably shoot weakspots or even flat armor. Claiming that there's no big difference is just ignorant. Leopard is shit because arty. Same with all a bit slower non-armored tanks. How to get ris of this problem? Remove arty or nerf it. Make it so that arty can shoot only when fully aimed.
@@philosophist8011 No arty makes problems for all tanks. Leo problem is its a glass cannon that was niche to begin with. An every newer or reworked medium line has made it more and more obsolete. For example Cent AX does everything leo does, but bit slower, but survives so much easier.
Leo 1 is the most disappointing tier 10 I have. I couldn't wait to get it and then very soon the truth sank in that it simply wasn't that good. Even tho I know you can make the determination that the E50m is really a light heavy tank the fact still remains it can do just about anything the Leo can better but just a bit slower. Over the last few years about all tier 10 German vehicles have turned into gimmicks. Not saying you can not have success with them but in many cases they are situational at best. The Panzer 7 is useless with its side weak spots. Maus and E100 being large, flat, slow vehicles are torn to shreds on open maps, the TD's can be fun but again often the JPZ is to large for its own good in open maps and the Grille is made of glass and lack of gun depression. Then you look at Russian vehicles and they don't have a glaring weakness like most all other nations do. They have the best mediums, best lights and arguably the best heavy tanks, for a few months they had the most OP vehicle with the Version 4 til it was shockingly nerfed. It feels German has really 1 post war vehicle that is somewhat modern and it sucks worse than all the other tanks at its tier in the game. The rest of the vehicles at tier 10 are stuck in the 1940's while many others have several tanks made in the 1960s and some of them still being in service today. I almost wish for a complete overall and realignment of the German tech tree.
I unlocked Leo 1 a few weeks ago, and now I'm just waiting for discounts so that I could buy it. But as I read this comment section, I don't know if I should buy it or not. I have 2nd highest WN8 out of all my tanks on Leo PT A, and was really looking forward to getting Leo 1.
Yeah the PTA does have the luxury of playing the bulk of its games against tier 8 vehicles, it can be misleading. The worst it ever sees would be a 5-10 MM playing against 10's and the ten remaining vehicles are tier 9's. In tier 10 games with 3-5-7 you still have those 7 tier 8's to pick on. When top tier (9) you even have the chance of seeing tier 7's and we know the mismatch there. The Leo 1 is a different story, it offers nothing protection wise over the PTA so all incoming rounds effect you exactly the same as before, no gain in that department for sure. You are fighting consistently stronger tanks less tier 8's and no tier 7's. Being that the armor is SO WEAK people will pass shots on more obvious threatening vehicles and fire at the Leo cause its guaranteed dmg. All those tier 8's that get dragged into tier 10 games are happy to see the enemy with a Leo 1 as one of the 3 tier 10's. Cause they are in a way on a much more level playing field with it compared to all other tier 10 meds and heavies. So the Leo stands out when being top tier cause often the the enemy team knows most any of them can effectively influence the possible outcome by taking you out, so when you are spotted all turrets swing. I don't think any of the other vehicles have that effect at high tier like it does they are much more respected I could go on but I will shut up....
You seem to be forgetting about the japanese heavies. Also, what about the S. Conqueror ? Its clearly the best T10 heavy tank by a large gap. Better than any other heavy tank in the game, making reduntant the E5 and the AMX M4 54 with the smaller gun mounted. The Soviet heavies are not OP by any means.
The Leopard is probably the most modern design of tank in WOT - it was specifically designed to combat the Soviet & Warsaw Pact's massive number of lower tech, less sophisticated tanks. It should have a better view range, better accuracy, better Alpha/DPM and shell velocity. But it won't because its German! Yet another example of Russian Bias!
I'm German and naturally a bit biased towards German Tanks. At the same time that let's me empathise with our Russian designers when they get a rush of blood making Russian tanks shine. I suggest to beef the Leo1 up to the A2 or A3 version with the added armour and yes, the fire control system should give them a far better accuracy. I have a lot of friends that served in the Leo1 and statistically they all agreed, that a 99% first hit capability made them confident in their equipment. I am running now for weeks the Kanonenjagtpanzer 105 with the Leopard gun. Most of the games I find myself in are T10 3-5-7, but who cares with a gun like that and no armour to speak of. I like it.
@@wolftreu4799 I agree! But again look what a Russian company did to the Tiger 1 and Tiger 2... Probably WWll best tanks of any nation, they shredded T34s and ISs in droves but not in this game!
@@niccndt9943 I know, I know. This is a bug bear of mine ever since. I just don't care anymore. I play for fun. Sometimes hard to come by. I collect thje tanks as well. Good or bad. So my stats are up to shit. But the Tigers are still favourites of mine and now the Kanonerjaeger. I made 7.5 million credit with it in the last few weeks about 170 games or so. I'm waiting for the Tiger buffs. I might be dreaming too.
@@philosophist8011 i mean e-50 m, E-100 and leopard lines, they have really bad dpm and armor, maus its ok, but the other lines not. The only line really broken in this game its type 5 heavy with derp gun, you dont need to aim to make damage, like quickybaby said in 1 video talking about tank lines in this game "tank for noobs".
@@philosophist8011 sure... compare e-50m with the others meds, no turret armor, poor dpm, armor is effective somethimes, and e-100 is the same case. Compare this 2 with everysingle tank with the same caractheristics and this 2 tanks lose by a mile of distance
Eric Silva Good players bait with the turret, not just sit and let people aim flat part of it. E50m used to be a monster not even so long time ago. Leo might need sime buffs. E100 is pretty much fine. With E100, don't just sit and angle turret. Use gun dep, angle turret armoe by using hills etc. Good players does very well with E100, almost as much block as with Maus.
Make the Leopard 1 have the best gun on any tier ten medium. It should have: The accuracy and aim time of the grille Better on the move accuracy than the Object 140 And it should have similar DPM to the M48 Patton. Why WG thinks a tank that can sit hull down and pump out more shots into enemies faster than a tank that cant and has to be sneaky is balanced makes no sense to me. Also it should have more horsepower.
CORRECTION....it requires a MAJOR buffff...FFS....the tank is hopeless without armour....any tank at tier X without armour or compensating capacity in terms of firepower and other combat ability makes it useless...I mean....lets consider this..its a medium ..not an arty or a TD...(even the strv has armour mobility and ridiculous gun capacity)...and in light of that...no other medium has such a lousy profile or armour layout...the gun is an outright laugh...the accuracy is just a paper value..you can't count on it to perform in a lot of situations....it's just trash overall :/... forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/646898-leopard-1-is-weak-buff-required-immediately/page__st__40__p__15137171#entry15137171
@@minimumsecurityrecords - Like my OP reply indicates, there has to be a worst tank in class at each tier - my question is why is it a problem for that tank to be the Leopard I (for you)?
I recently played the Leopard 1 a LOT to get the 3rd MoE on it, I have around 500 games in it and all I can say it needs a rather huge buff. I had to fire pretty much 90% HEAT (so I don't have to aim for 2 and a half centuries on every shot, which you can't cause RIP armor) with all premium consumables to be even remotely close to being competetive. First of all, the Leopard 1 isn't a sniper... sure it can go back to long range (if it has to), but then, even with 0.27 accuracy (as mine has with a 5 skill crew) it's just a game of RNG. On top of that you are becoming quite useless to your team if you do so... its all nice and dandy if you sit behind your TD's and farm damage, but if the enemy Obj. 430U (or pretty much every other T10 Med for that matter) is destroying your entire team and controlling the important positions on the map, then you're most likely not going to win. You have to play the Leo 1 like any other T10 Medium pretty much, and fight at the front of the battle. If you're good and do it somewhat like in the replay, the Leo 1 can work. But any other T10 Medium is probably going to do it better. I think the Leo 1 should either be what the K-91 is right now. I. e. a high DPM Sniper with good camo and mobility and with accuracy at least as good as the Grille 15, if not better, or have the most awesome gun handling in the game with I'd say 0.04-0.06 Turret traverse dispersion and less than half the moving dispersions it has right now and a bit better accuracy. And better ground resistance... Sure it's fast, but it's only uphill where its reasonably faster than an E-50M. The DPM in that case would be fine. It should have the most stable and accurate gun in the game (apart from the STRV's ofc). Also I don't think it needs better gun depression. What I've found recently is, if you can't make a position work with 9° Gun Depression, 10° mostly won't help you either on the 1.0 Maps. In the end, what's the point trading ALL of your armor (there are light tanks in this game with better armor... one of them is at Tier 4 lul), if you're not getting something rather huge back in return. Right now the Leopard 1 can do everything what other T10 meds can do, just worse in every aspect apart from the accuracy, which is RNG-dependant and it gets clicked for 75% of it's HP rather frequently. TL;DR: Make the Leopard 1 a worse STRV with a Turret or give it the best Gun-soft stats in the game (I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was one of the first tanks irl with a fully stabilized gun) In case you wanna check my Leo 1 stats: tanks.gg/eu/ifoxifire
Fun fact: Leopard was actaully a pretty damn good tank when it came out. The thing is that accuracy in general got screwed up at some point. While average gun handling didnt get that much of a difference, high accuracy guns felt that the most. The amount of time u miss fully aim shots with Leopards gun is too damn high. While u cant really rely on anything else, gun should be balancing factor for a tank which simply cant shine in any other way. I can remember games where I was losing the match only because of "unexpected" miss. To make tank playable give it Strv's like accuracy, cause why not? Most ppl consider it as a sniper already even tho I find that accuracy is crucial in close combat too.
Yes it does cuz the russian bias. Its gun is better then any russian tanks in the game but with the magical lame ass soft stats the gun sucks and it has no armor
If it is Russian Bias why isn't the T-62A or K-91 up with the Obj 430U, and why does the 430 rank below other nations as well? The rest of the Russian tanks are Clan performance Reward Tanks so the numbers are inflated based upon user-base.
In general, I think Wargaming have quite some tasks on their task list: - Premium Ammo? - Matchmaking? - Impenetrable Japanese Heavies with derp guns (O[P]-I)? - Bad maps? (they are doing a great job with the new ones though) - Monthly 2 new tier 8 premium tanks but NONE at tier 5/6/7? - A LOT of powercreeped tanks in tier 4/5/6/7. - Make more unique and fun tech-tree tanks instead of taking them out of the game (VK28.01 with 105mm, 59-16 with fast auto-loader, FV304, T-50 and T-50-2 as in 2011, ELC AMX, and so on) - Useless Radio range? I think they should start with giving those things priority instead of focussing on bringing out yet another tier 8 premium tank every week.
Most of the woes have the wot because the original, well-crafted ideas have been overwhelmed by hasty, unmanageable, unprecedented chaos - now only the benefits matter, nothing else. The good maps reworked to bad or simply thrown away: because the stupid but solvent "players" (or robbers by the WG) could not do anything on it. Therefore, it was necessary to touch the gameplay which further increased chaos in the game - again, only because of the increase in the profit, with nothing else in mind. Formerly the tanks were balanced to +3 levels, now only 1 (in good case - and you can not even get the two in most cases: when you must pay for playing in a f2p game...), while they have to stand at +2 level (almost constant)!
@GoreTale disgust? Wow you must be fun at parties. Simple: If a tank is too strong, it changes game meta in a terrible way. v4. Type 5. Waffle E100. etc etc etc creating a cascading "Flavor of the month" series of tank. These tanks need smacked before moving other tanks up. Super Conq needs its DPM heavily nerfed. v4 needs its lower front destroyed. Type 5 needs the HE gun removed. XVM stats need removed from in battle. All of these changes, plus others, would make a MUCH healthier game. Power creep is a cancer to a games health.
@@TodayIFoundSomethingShiney the only thing they really need to do for the type 5 and 4 is a slight increase in rate of fire for the NON-derps guns and drastically improved pen on the prem ammo for the NON-derp guns. I would much prefer to use the 2nd gun on the Type 4 but 282 pen for Prem ammo on a tier 10 guns is utter rubbish. Hell they gave the K-91 276 base pen for its standard ammo.
The current Leopard should be Tier 9. And we need a spaced armoured Leopard 1a1 or 1a2 as a Tier 10. The 1a2 would need a bit more alpha (420) and 1650 m/s velocity. Also a little more precision during movement and some little more speed or better groundresistance to get into decent spots first.
You waste your time trying to convince wargaming this. Its german, and its a russian company that favors the russian tanks obviously and doesnt care that the players know. Other than the russian ones being better than everything else, They dont give a shit about tier 10 tank balance, it makes them no money. Ill donate 100 dollars on your stream if they buff it. Im that certain they wont
The Anchovies Name tier 10 russian class which is the best for cw and for random. Yeah, only meds and t10 lt are very good. Other tanks are ok/good. Russian tanks are boring overall. I would play any other tanks in randoms than russians. T100lt is fun though
I agree. The E-100 was recently power creeped. The Grille 15 was nerfed too hard and was power creeped by the sniping swedish TD's. The Jagdpz E-100 armour has been negated by the premium ammo meta. The leopard 1 and the lights needs just a little bump. Not huge, just a little. I think the E50M and Mause are okay.
Leopard 1 is very situational. As top tier in 357 it may be able to shine, but very map dependent. But against a high proportion of T10 only games it can’t like for like hold its own. Arty near misses stun the hell out it as well as taking chunks of HP. Any reasonably competent player will rush the Leo rather than play peekaboo, in the knowledge that you can always damage it, even with tier 8 tanks. It needs a few buffs, the armour needs a little more here and there, the moving dispersion also. Maybe to survive it needs better DPM to fight its way out of a corner too? The thing about the Leo 1 is this for me - if I’m last tank on my team in a 1 v’s 5 situation, what t10 med do I think I can carry this reliably in? Not the Leo. And I love this tank so much I want it to be truly competitive.
I remember that as a kid, we went on a school camp to Drente... Drente is a province in the Netherlands that has many practice areas for the Royal Dutch Army... This was back in the early 80's and the Army has been using these Leo 1 around that time... I think it was the 2nd day of camp that a number of these tanks came rolling by the farm we were staying.. Yes....seeing these tanks (or any other tank I guess), had made quite an impression on me..This was the 1st time for me to see tanks, and so close too...
Why QB you not compare K-91 on the list? DPM is the best. Shell velocity is the best. AIM time is the best. Camo values is the best. Dispersion is good. Hidden soft stats is the best. Turret traverse is the best. Armor not bad for a sniper. View range same. Why should you waste your XP on a tech tree when it's not worth it? The german tech tree is useless to grind a Leopard 1. Same useless to grind a Rheinmetall Panzerwagen, E 100 etc. When you like a specific role or specific gameplay or a specific value you have many many other tanks who could do it better. Leopard 1 < K-91 E100 < 60TP Jagdpanzer E 100 < Object 268 Version 4 Maus < Type 5 Rheinmetall Panzerwagen < any other tier X light is better. It's a complete useless to grind up to tier X Pz.Kpfw. VII < Object 705A etc. the only 2 or 3 vehicles on a complete german tech tree worth it at this moment is E 50 M and Grille 15 and they are average not OP. All other tanks have lost the specific role (sniper medium Leopard 1), specific gameplay (dmg blocker Maus) or a specific value (Damage by shot E100). When WG introduce and create new tanks and tech tree's they made automatically the existing specific role or specific gameplay or a specific value useless to grind and that's it. WoT should introduce and create new tanks yes and on same day they should give the existing tanks who could be compare give them some little love.
E-50M is one of the best all rounder tanks in the game. It does literally everything. Check out skill4ltu's video on it. Its a balanced tank and in good hands its a deadly machine. Also you can ram everything for 250-600 dmg besides a superheavy which is the biggest fun factor in wot if im honest.
My first tier ten. I didn’t know how much I would expect from it but my stats weren’t that bad, by the time i got to tier ten i got a basic grasp of the tank. I was furious because I would move out and hit something but miss and take damage in return. Now I feel like the Leopard is truly a hard tank to master but I’m getting closer to mastering it every game. I’m pretty sure WG won’t do anything, so just get vertical stabilizers and the smooth ride perk and hope for the best.
I have to agree. I have the Leopard 1, the Patton and the Strv 103B. I feel like the Leopard for being hailed as a great sniping tank gets outshone by both of these tanks. Whatever advantages the Leopard has , it gets outshone by another, more specialized tank. I do think it needs a reasonable buff. A little armor on the turret/mantle to let players poke out and bounce with it around corners or over ridges would be nice. A better profile and camo rating would be godsend; nothing major, but god that tank is...THICC.
Agent Ice but that would completly change how the leo1 actually is, you‘d just create a Patton or an amx30b, i think it makes more sense to increase the uniqness, make it a pure glass canon, awsome acc, awsome pen, awsome despersion, awsome speed, but absolutly no arma and maybe even drop the hp to 1750
The moving dispersion and the turret dispersion should be the lowest of any tier 10 medium Imo. Drop the accuracy down to .28, perhaps slightly improve ground resistances and -10 gundepression would make it so much better.
@@yaboiyosef7640 as Schnittertm1 has sayed in an other comment : "The 120mm could be mounted in a Leopard 1 of any version. A first test version of the a Leopard 1 with the 120mm gun was based on a Leopard 1A1A1 with the gun and the EMES 18 sights fitted. They later also tested further upgrades on a Leopard 1A5 (designated VT2) and Leopard 1A1A1 (designated VT5), where they not only put the 120mm gun in, but also upgraded with additional armor to the hull and turret. The ammo storage in these cases was retained in the hull position, but the racks were adapted to accept the 120mm ammunition. "
the aditional armor wold help against HE also looks nice and a upgaded turret wiht 120mm boomstick but slightly worst aimtime and dispersion cold do the trick for the Leo1 and maby better soft stats as well
T22 Medium is still played even though it’s been nerfed heavily? I wanna see a replay on the T22 and see how it performs vs the current tanks that arrived
If you are allowed to do what QB did in the video, then yes it's good, but in pretty much any other situation it'll be worse than the other mediums. And in a 1 v 1 against... well any other t10 medium, you will loose. And now since all the slow mediums got mobility buff or massive armor buffs, the Leo 1 is just left there as a piñata with a sniper rifle. I say make it more Leo 1, buff mobility to 1000hp or so (or buff ground resistance to same effect If you want to keep the realistic engine), buff the accuracy to .28 base and buff dispersion values, make it all about mobility and accuracy. Right now it's just slightly better accuracy and mobility and way way worse at armor, it needs to be more specialized to be good.
More like a pee shooter than sniper rifle. I would say you have over 70% chance of bounce or no damage when firing. It should have great pen and accuracy for the offest of poor armour. On maps with little cover your a sitting target once you fire. Lets just say it as it is this tank sucks.
@@Takamiki Most top-tier Russian tanks are nerfed in the game compared to its real-life counterpart. Object 430, for example, had 280-320 effective hull armor with around the same on the turret. Object 430 could also go 65kph. its mobility was drastically reduced in the game to balance out its armor which was also reduced. T-10 had 310mm+ effective hull armor with around 350mm effective turret armor with very similar mobility to what it has in the game
@@ColorHawk_ and then you have the IS-3 where irl it couldn't actually depression it's gun past 0 degrees or else it break the turret, and WG has shrunk the turret of half it's actual height and increased it's gun depression :D
when it comes to the Leopard 1 they HAVE to buff the dispersion while moving as it literally was the first tank with a stabilised gun whilst driving. In fact the Germans were so proud of it that they released videos in which they would put a beer mug on top of the gun and film it not falling down on the move. Just look up "Der Panzer und das Bier" or " leopard beer test" if you prefer an english video. The STB 1 deserves some love as well...I know it's supposed to be this "lightly armoured but can be used for close range with its gun depression(increasing its turret armour by quiet a much) and awesome dpm tank" but honestly the accuracy and aim time arent really pleasent especially when paired with dispersion values like these. My proposal would be to have it keep its accuracy but reduce the aim time massively and maybe tweak some of the soft stats so it stops being a relict from the past when it was the best allrounder because every other medium sucked, now its time to adjust the Japanese tier 10 as well
Just give it actually good accuracy and shell velocity. People think .3 accuracy is good for some reason. Ya, it's better than a lot of tanks out there, but it is still a very frustrating accuracy to work with. Anyone who has played a tank with .3 accuracy knows how meaningless the number really is. All that matters is your RNG for accuracy, the number really is irrelevant, or at least it feels that way to me. The only tank in the game that I feel the accuracy number actually matters a bit is the STRV 103B, with its .25 accuracy. But even that tank has countless brutal misses when fully aimed simply because of the awful RNG system in the game. It is stupid for a player to do absolutely everything right, and then be punished for correct decisions just because of RNG, which is completely out of their control. The game would feel a lot better if you felt you had more control over where your shells went, rather than just crossing your fingers and hoping for the best, even when you are fully aimed with .3 accuracy or even .25.
I think you are spot on! I would also add 10-20m view range since it is more of a light medium. The patton has higher view range but also more armor and that does not make any sense when comparing...
I agree for buffing it slightly, however i would buff it by another thing, that makes it feel like a sniper, its module damage. being able to keep something tracked or god forbid if you know the ammo rack of a tank ammo rack it, or setting it on fire with a few well placed shots in the engine, will definitely make this tank a lot better for skilled players and definitely a novelty for those who are looking for a specialist vehicle
as much as I love your (terrible) content, QB, the battle that Leo1 can shine like this is like 1 to 20. you can have a great game in any, even the worst tank, once in a while. doesn't change the fact that Leo 1 os one of the least competitive tier X meds in the game nowadays. also - you had so many lucky shots that these just testify more against playing this tank.
Bartek Wiśniewski well i would not say that the leopard is that bad, remember its the fastest medium at tier 10, which allows the leo1 to absolutely rock the battlefield and clean the last remaining forces at the end, i consistently do 5-8k dmg rounds in my leo, you just need to know how to play it, plus his shots werent lucky, the leo is actually that accurate, with food and the right loadout plus crew skills u can get the accuracy down to 0.26
@@k4v4x The issue is that the I'd FAR rather play the Russian mediums, if they weren't in the game the Leopard would be awesome, why would you play a Leopard when you have everything you need with a Russian medium except depression and small amounts of mobility advantages.
@@1theinsanity118 simple dont play a tank because "it has something" play it because thats a tank that u want to play. my biggest thing when i started playing was the japanese lines and they are still my favorite even though a large portion of them are really bad.
I loved the Shock n’ Awe Leo race.. Leopard 2A was a beast, was my first tankfest, got to talk to you, like one of last people on Sunday, and happy days haha
These videos are great! Personally, I get stuck on tier seven vehicles because I get bored of playing them, but knowing information that will help me in the future is really helpful. Thank you so much and keep up the good work!
I don't want to bandwagon that all german tanks are bad. I'm a Unicum player, but if you look at all the stats... They prove alot. E-100 is on the same level as the IS-4, outclassed by almost all other heavies. The Maus is at a balanced position, but not outstanding anymore after the nerfs. Pz.Pkfw VII has some good armor if you can angle, but you can't because you have those obvious weakspots when you sidescrape and it's the novelty of back-turreted tanks... the Object 705A can do the same WITHOUT an obvious weakspot to hit. Grille 15 is also at the bottom of the list and I can still remember that they nerfed it hard in the past just because it was considered OP. If you would compare that to the post-nerfed OBJ 268 v4 it's nothing... Jageroo feels balanced, because it has the fear factor from the gun and atleast has some armor. Leopard 1 feels unreliable, has no armor (and with the current TYPE 5 meta doesn't make it better), and doesn't excel at anything. You can do the same with the E-50M while being a little bit slower but atleast you have armor. And then the Rheinmetall Panzerwagen... idk why it's in the game... It's just a even worse Leopard 1. No camo, tall, a bad gun (even worse when they actually reduced the alpha damage to 320, while all others got a buff to 390 except T-100 LT but it has amazing camo... I love my E 75, But at top tier, there aren't many vehicles that really feel competitive, or just get outclassed by any other tank that gets buffed or newly added ones... Give the germans some love too, even if it's some small buff... It's something atleast.
E75 is an absolute joke considering its cancerous turret armor...VK45.02B is probably the best German heavy tank tier for tier as well as the VK100.01P
i dont have much experience with the leopard outside of test servers, but it was one of the most fun tanks i had played in ages when i do get around to useing it, its very fast and can dog fight vs heavires and some mediums quite well, but where it excels at is getting into early abush positions and putting that accurate gun to work
Could you imagine if WG brought in one of the leopard 1 prototypes where it had the 120mm l44 gun....actually that wouldn’t be a terrible terrible idea (if they don’t make the weapon too overkill)
I agree with your analysis, QB. As for a buff I would also ask for increased gun handling because all too often it does not feel as legendary as it should feel. And why not give it the camo of a light tank to truely make it that outstanding second line supporter that can use its mobility to play firefighter when required? Sounds like fun to me... and it would make up for the lack of armor.
Exactly my experience too. I had a good time in the PT A, not so in Leo 1. As an average player, I can never make the Leo 1 work for me, so it mostly just sit in the garage.
i haven't got the leopard yet. i am now looking forward to it even more seing that game and how its got to be played. i think the biggest point to the leopard is that few people understand how you need to play it.
NOTE - Not a single Russian tank in the comparison list. Good job being "unbiased". We all know the soft stats for all the vehicles are worse than their Soviet counterparts, but it would be nice if you were honest with not only yourself but the player base who watches your videos.
Whoa, game first then theory crafting?!?! The world just went crazy! :) Thanks for the info. I really enjoy hearing the considerations you make about other tanks throughout the replays.
Easy, give the Leopard its proper turret (in a re-searchable package) which then increases the turret armour, all the gun handling stats and view range. Even by a little bit, it would do wonders to the tank.
QB you are speaking FACTS right now. The leopard and many other TECH tree TANKS are being left in the dust and are becoming relics of the past, not being updated like other tanks.
Its actually so hilarously wrong that the leopard has such bad dispersion stats while moving that you have to wonder if WG made it like that on purpose. The leopard historically is actually famous for being able to hit almost very time, despite driving through rough terrain at full speed. its what this tank is known for. so making that stat so bad in comparison to older tanks without the leopards sophisticated turret stabiliser and firing computer is just crazy to me. why would they do that?
I'm still surprised pc doesn't have chieftain yet. Apart from the Chinese server's but wg don't own them. Console had chieftain for acouple of years now
@@arejee3380 keyword supertest. It could be weeks months until pc gets chieftain. And if the pc copies the chieftain from console the turret armour is trash on the chieftain mk6 compared to all the new soviet tanks us console players got( obj277) (obj705a) obj263version4. Honestly in my opinion of how the chieftain is in the console version it needs a buff to the turret armour. The hull armour is fine. The gun is best tier10 120mm. 270mm pen on it stranded apcr round and it's premium apcr round is 310mm+ with a reload of about 7seconds ish
Amx 30b is worse. I might have good dpm on paper but it cant hit anything, but if it hits it can penetrate. And it also has rly bad shell velocity. I mean leopard has more shell velocity with heat than amx has with apcr. I mean the gun is a joke
@@Anymn1 on paper it has turret armor and good dpm but in action it rarely bouces anything. Only thing that can bounce is the mantlet and amx 30b has that gigantic hact. And as I said it misses a lot of shells and cant penetrate enemies well enought with the low pen. It was made for close combat after the change but it doesnt have enought armor for that. The old version was better
Odins Blood they nerfed the 30B so hard i sold it immediately after the nerf, it had good acc 0.3 with sometimes trolling shots good pen 268 the best shell velocity out of almost all 105 mediums. The nerfed its standard/premium rounds penn/shell velocity its accuracy and some other things but all gun related things are the most important ones, it belongs in the trash can now if people play it i don’t know what is crossing there minds.
joku random back in the old days i rather played my 30B then leo because of slightly better camo rating and because of its cupola wich enhanced its spotting capabilities
I agree on the dispersion - it needs a slight buff. I wouldn't go as far as buffing the mobility, but I'd give the tank an actual gun mantlet that can bounce shots. One more degree (or 3) of gun depression would also be a welcome change. Nothing needs to be crazy, but that tank really feels left behind at the moment.
Sniper Tanks should have good camorating also something the Leopard 1 does not have!!!!! Why has the Obj-430U in my garage with 58% skilled camo crew better camo (31,89%) than the Leopard 1 in my garage with 100% skilled camo (30,78%). Both have BiA and same setup. Give the Leopard 1 the camorating to be able to snipe, buff the dispersion and the alpha damage to 420.
T55A is right now just much worse version of T54, which have better turret armor, more dpm, 2 guns to chose, much faster, better top speed, better acceleration, basicaly everything. from all the buffs incoming only new engine is worth to mention, but that tank will still suck. 209mm of penetration in tier 9, srsly? and armor buffs are not half that tank actualy need. it will continue picking dust in my garage. not really worth all the effort and time spent to get him
@@EnjoylThelSilence Better soft stats for T55 A! It doesn't feel worse in my hands,I agree with the stats you mention but playing it is another story. Better mobility,way better gun handling and accuracy.. I take that! I like both tanks although T55A came into my hands after 3 years of gaming! So I guess my better performance with it has something to do with that too! Still I see no buffs needed for these tanks apart for a little more pen.. on AP shells.
@@PoorCoyotee Turan III, Pz IV Hydro, Pz T25, Pz IIIK, Pz IVs, Panther m10, Panther 8.8 all require 5 mans crews so you can train crews for the E 50M, you have less options training crew for the Leo, Panzer 58 Mutz and Panzer 58 Schwarze. Non Premiums Indie and PTA both have 4 man crews, and you can always train your crew up on the 5 man tanks and just leave the radio man behind or spend 500 gold to retrain him for a different position.
@@PoorCoyotee The Pz 58 is ok for tier medium Prem and, the pz iv s is competitive for a tier 6 med mobility is subpar but gun is good and turret armor can be quite bouncy however hull armor is lackluster. of the Tier 5 prems I mentioned the hydro is prob best then the Pz t25, the turn meh with way to small an ammo load, the pz 3 k arggghhhhhhh. Panther m10 very underwhelming but I do ok in it now. The indie is better since they buffed it and I really like the PTA.
I only ever played it during the rampage mode, and I enjoyed it then. But I would probably agree that it needs a buff, because I am never quivering in fear if I come face-to-face with one in a tier 10 game.
Vincent Chen Its 15% weaker than a regular tier 8 thats how it shoud be. The buff was unnecessary the obly thing actually necessary was accuracy else it would be too strong.
It needs an armor buff.Any opposing tank sneezes at the Leo it's an instant ammo rack.Before reuseable consumables came on board I always carried 2 repair kits and toolbox on the Leo 1 and Leo PTA.
First the armour could do with a slight buff but nothing to drastic, as for the gun the dispersion while move needs to change, for example the sight could be slower to bloom when at low speeds. Those small changes could give the leopard the opportunity to compete again.
Personally I think tank could get little bit buffs, but mostly it is ok. What lets the tank down heavily are maps. On every corridor or tiny (ensk like) map you have huge problems to "do your part". You can't play it as med, but mostly as specific td (sniper), yet the gun is not much great td gun. You options are limited and often can't compete with your adversaries. You can do great on flank sniping, but you have problems to fight your way through the flank and on some maps that is even less possible. I like the tank, but on some maps you simply can't compete. If MM gets Obj. 430U for your position on lets say Ensk or Abbey, then you simply **** your team by being there.
Well, hello QB! I remember the days of a very good, spotter and long range sniping Leopard 1. Also, as World of Tanks has progressed with new tanks, and unreal premiums they've seemed to forgot the legends. So, I feel this Leo once was King and deserve a dispersion buff when moving, 200 - 300 more hit-points, and a slight reduction in reload to be more competitive with the newer tier X mediums
I think that I'd give a buff to the dispersion value and decrease all the terrain resistances by maybe 0.1 to allow it to play to its strengths that much better. Giving it more armour or HP would be completely counterproductive.
I either play too aggressively and get left to die by my team, or Hang back too much and miss out on a lot of damage. Occasionally when my team is just as aggressive as I am, or more, it work out really well. I find myself in the top 5 quite consistently now at tier 9 though it doesn't seem to reflect that yet on my service record..??.. oh well. I will make myself more aware of the teams attitude in future, but I have to work on that! thanks for your help dude.......
In-game balance has a lot to do with map design. To prevent camping, it seems that WG makes substantial use of corridor features. That weakens the tanks that depend on cross-map support at longer engagement ranges. The current shot dispersion model doesn't help either. WG could consider introducing shot dispersion models that depend on engagement distance (non-linear dispersion), but that would double or triple the load of trajectory calculations at least.
one thing not mentioned is to fulfill its light/medium role it would need to have quality camo rating which it definitely fails at. Lessen its profile, give it a meaningful mantlet and good camo rating with ok movement dispersion and its a screamer.
the leo1 is my most played tank and i actually really like the playstyle, the mobility imo is awsome but yes i agree the sniping stats of the gun need some love since it actually isnt that good at sniping compared to other tanks, i‘d buff the accuracy to 0.27 and increase the dispersion, also i‘d increase the standart pen to 289. That should be enough of a buff at first, one other reason for the low wr is probably that leo players play super passive in the tank and even as top tiers refuse to lead a push or carry a flank, my wr on the leo is only 52% even though my avg dmg is at 2.9k and im currently at 94% moe
I personally find the gun / handling fine, mobility is great, what i would do is give it a reasonably bouncy turret, dont buff the hull though, that would make it more competitive and you would still need to know how to use it to take full advantage of it :)
They need to do similar to what the K-91 has, so buff the pen to like 280mm, buff the alpha to 420 (but knock the DPM down), buff the dispersion on movement down to like 0.12, but the turret down to 0.06, aim time down to 1.7s and accuracy down to 0.26, make it the clear best sniper med. It's clearly worse in other ways to the other meds (like armour mainly) so make it stand out at it's sniping role.
Nice one Quicky, welcome back. I was wondering if I should grind to the leopard, I won't now unless they buff it. I have an Object 430, it's a tier 9 though on my tech tree. Isn't it the same for everyone? I do like it a lot. It can really hold it's own against even tier 10's no problem. It's ideal for me because I need good armor and medium mobility at tier 9/10 as I'm still not the best of players yet. Obj 430 has good armor, enough mobility and the gun is pretty good too. Just the way I like them! :) You played that leopard like a boss! I think it would disappoint me with my play style. I would get 1 shot'd to much. :)
I think the Leopard should be better in firing on the move. When it came out, it was advertised as 'The most comfortable gun to play with'. It should get that status again. 0.28 accuracy with 50% better dispersion soft stats will do.
Could give it the spaced armor and the 120mm of the Leopard 1A5 modernization package. The problem is, that's a smoothbore gun and the package is from the mid 80's.
I would buff the dispersion values by far and maybe even change it to the Leopard 1 A1A1 with some spaced armor to make it a little protected against HE (and HEAT if somebody has loaded it)
The Leopard was my 2nd tier 10.. after the Patton.. (I'm a glutton for punishment.. :( ). Yes, I chose both because they exist.I've found that it has three problems: 1. Because of it low armour values, not only does it take damage more often... but it nearly ALWAYS suffers 2-3 module damage in addition. 2. The maps are FAR too small (or crowded) for the tank to excel in it's intended role. 3. It's too easily over-matched by (supposedly) equal tier Russian (Paper tanks)... mainly due to the ability of snap shooting that the Russian tanks have.
121 needs buff too. I have this tank, and i get set on fire every single game. I even get ammo racked preatty often even though i have safe storage. Other then that it is balanced and fun tank. But its very frustrating to get set on fire so often, i had never had a tank that burned so often.
I've seen several videos where the leo does really well. I have yet to see an entire tier 10 match however. They are few and far between. the leo just doesn't compete at tier 10 unless it had maximum view range and long sniping lanes to work.
Great video QB! But why did you exclude the Centurion AX and the Object 140/T-62A from the comparison? I would buff its tank moving/tank traversing dispersion to at least the level of the CentAX (0.14), and buff its turret traverse speed MASSIVELY to probably 48, also comparable to CentAX.
Just do what they did to the Patton. Update it to a Leopard 1A3, give it the spaced turret that will eat HEAT shells, and it has side skirts to help the sides and this model also has gyroscopic stabilisers which would fix the gun handling issue.
Personally I would just make the accuracy absolutely legendary to make it really stand out from the others. Make the accuracy maybe as good as the Grille, and give it a slight dispersion while moving buff from 0.18 to 0.16.
I would treat the armor like it was supposed to be used. It was armored this way because it actually has spaced armor instead of thick steel armor. the treat when it was built the threat was squash head and shaped charge warheads of missiles and rifle grenades. With this kind of armor model it should defeat a lot of gold ammo shells which are so common in tier 10 tanks. This still means regular A.P. shells will still mangle this tank but give a better survivability
Make the Leopard 1 a tier 9 to replace the PTA (or move the PTA to tier 8 and bump the Indien to premium status), add the Leopard A1 with spaced armor turret, side skirts, and improved gun handling and slightly improved dpm.
Yeah I thing that would be a good change cause nobody plays the indien panzer but there will have to be decent nerds to the PTA
psnmadracer27 because we need another canturion line ...
actualy i like this idea a lot
@@k4v4x centurion line has armor and 10 degrees of gun depression. WG can mess with the guns however they want, as long as they keep the essence of the Leopard line (reliable, decent pen guns, mobile platforms, and low armor)
The Mutz is basically an Indien. Since it's premium, it has better soft stats than Indien. Because WG.
its bullshit that its ultra accurate stabilized german gun gets such bad dispersion on the move whereas the obj 140 is basically auto aim and fire going full speed with a good probability of a hit.
yup. hidden stats. while the Leopard 1 in real life was THE tank to shoot on the move, with a modern firing control. but instead QB is talking about the tank being first at the Bovington tankfest. I don't blame QB, he's trying to do something positive and he does say it needs a buff (some love). But why does the K91 an awesome gun handling and this one not? questions.. questions..
There is a hidden stat behind the hidden stats that makes it even worse, its called RNG, and even if WG doesn't admit it, it changes from tank to tank, german and french tanks have the worst RNG value
It is also the problem of the game itself... 1 thing alot of people seem to forget is that something like the leo should be shooting at like 1-2km not 200m and that is the thing that gets over looked. Tanks engagement range is waaaay longer than what we see in game so something like a tiger for instance has bad armour in game. But in real life it was pretty good because tanks fought at far longer ranges on the average than world of tanks does.
@@AvarllanTelesto and for instance, on Himmerlsdorf, what leo should do, shine?
RNG: *Russian Nonsense Generator*
The Leopard needs to have best gun handeling in game!
That really belongs to the Grill 15...however the Leopard should definitely have the best gun handling when moving the tank/turret
Should really have a gun that actually penetrates. I bounce usually or have no effect. Its just terrible.
Even premium rounds are quite poor.
@@michaeldawson6309 prem rounds are 330 which isnt poor...if you're still reliably bouncing prem rounds in that tank then its either insanely bad RNG or you just cant aim lol. But the fact that it has less standard prem than the E50 M who's supposed to be on the frontlines is just BS
@@devenpapineau6261 Ok my premium rounds don't all bounce but they do so little damage from what should be almost a Tank destroyer. Its still crap :-)
I am having more fun in my E25.
@@michaeldawson6309 I feel you on that. Except of course you're going to have more fun in an overpowered premium tank destroyer than a powercreeped German medium lol
During my military service (yes, I am that old) I spent two months training in a Leopard I. It didn't feel badly armoured to me. I once bumped my head on the turret and didn't even scratch the paint. However, my head quickly turned an unhealthy color.
Yeah because your head is the equivalent of a 105mm cannon.
@@ushindimuna8040 Did you just assume his headbutting capabilities
We didn’t penetrate their armor..
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Leopard 1 became a victim of powercreep... it's that simple.
Why should I play a Leo if I can play a M48? Except the speed and accuracy its better in every way and the drawbacks are so small that its not really a argument to play the Leo...It would really be better die the game if they stopoed making new premiumtanks every month and buff older tanks who need it. Wargaming always brags that they have over 200 tanks, but what good are they when only 20 or so are playable because the rest is underpowered and flatout worse?
TheBlueNight well ever played on highway trying to get to an important location? Or trying to get on the hill on Malinovka, or having to rush back to decap? 48 km/h to 65 km/h is a huge difference imo but yes m48 over leo1 in the current state
Well that's not really fair to the M48 Patton seeing as it spent more then 4 years being one of the worst mediums at tier 10...
TheBlueNight Leo became a victim of clickers*
@@philosophist8011 Power creep and fucktards in arty.
Give Leo 1 440 alpha and keep everything else the same.
I have this thing on .26 dispersion and I still miss shots, the gun is not as reliable as everyone makes it seem
Yep. I choose E-50M over Leo 1 every time
learn to aim then ?
RodelIturalde Difference between 0.3 and 0.4 is huge. It is all about aiming. Good player can handle both guns pretty well, but with 0.4 he can't reliably shoot weakspots or even flat armor. Claiming that there's no big difference is just ignorant.
Leopard is shit because arty. Same with all a bit slower non-armored tanks. How to get ris of this problem? Remove arty or nerf it. Make it so that arty can shoot only when fully aimed.
@@philosophist8011
No arty makes problems for all tanks. Leo problem is its a glass cannon that was niche to begin with. An every newer or reworked medium line has made it more and more obsolete. For example Cent AX does everything leo does, but bit slower, but survives so much easier.
Because it's a german tank. If it was russian it would hit everything
Leo 1 is the most disappointing tier 10 I have. I couldn't wait to get it and then very soon the truth sank in that it simply wasn't that good. Even tho I know you can make the determination that the E50m is really a light heavy tank the fact still remains it can do just about anything the Leo can better but just a bit slower. Over the last few years about all tier 10 German vehicles have turned into gimmicks. Not saying you can not have success with them but in many cases they are situational at best. The Panzer 7 is useless with its side weak spots. Maus and E100 being large, flat, slow vehicles are torn to shreds on open maps, the TD's can be fun but again often the JPZ is to large for its own good in open maps and the Grille is made of glass and lack of gun depression. Then you look at Russian vehicles and they don't have a glaring weakness like most all other nations do. They have the best mediums, best lights and arguably the best heavy tanks, for a few months they had the most OP vehicle with the Version 4 til it was shockingly nerfed. It feels German has really 1 post war vehicle that is somewhat modern and it sucks worse than all the other tanks at its tier in the game. The rest of the vehicles at tier 10 are stuck in the 1940's while many others have several tanks made in the 1960s and some of them still being in service today. I almost wish for a complete overall and realignment of the German tech tree.
My 1st tier 10. Wanted it for so long. What a let down. Sold it. My Tiger 1 can snapshot better.
I unlocked Leo 1 a few weeks ago, and now I'm just waiting for discounts so that I could buy it. But as I read this comment section, I don't know if I should buy it or not. I have 2nd highest WN8 out of all my tanks on Leo PT A, and was really looking forward to getting Leo 1.
@@michalv92 You should do ok though the gun can be pretty disappointing often.
Yeah the PTA does have the luxury of playing the bulk of its games against tier 8 vehicles, it can be misleading. The worst it ever sees would be a 5-10 MM playing against 10's and the ten remaining vehicles are tier 9's. In tier 10 games with 3-5-7 you still have those 7 tier 8's to pick on. When top tier (9) you even have the chance of seeing tier 7's and we know the mismatch there.
The Leo 1 is a different story, it offers nothing protection wise over the PTA so all incoming rounds effect you exactly the same as before, no gain in that department for sure. You are fighting consistently stronger tanks less tier 8's and no tier 7's. Being that the armor is SO WEAK people will pass shots on more obvious threatening vehicles and fire at the Leo cause its guaranteed dmg. All those tier 8's that get dragged into tier 10 games are happy to see the enemy with a Leo 1 as one of the 3 tier 10's. Cause they are in a way on a much more level playing field with it compared to all other tier 10 meds and heavies. So the Leo stands out when being top tier cause often the the enemy team knows most any of them can effectively influence the possible outcome by taking you out, so when you are spotted all turrets swing. I don't think any of the other vehicles have that effect at high tier like it does they are much more respected I could go on but I will shut up....
You seem to be forgetting about the japanese heavies. Also, what about the S. Conqueror ? Its clearly the best T10 heavy tank by a large gap. Better than any other heavy tank in the game, making reduntant the E5 and the AMX M4 54 with the smaller gun mounted. The Soviet heavies are not OP by any means.
wargaming logic:
russian? buff!!!
not russian? nerf...
Thomas Santos bot
Well they buffed the maus. So they are buffing the money making tanks in which are German and Russian armor.
because their whole dev team is russian
The Leopard is probably the most modern design of tank in WOT - it was specifically designed to combat the Soviet & Warsaw Pact's massive number of lower tech, less sophisticated tanks.
It should have a better view range, better accuracy, better Alpha/DPM and shell velocity.
But it won't because its German!
Yet another example of Russian Bias!
Nicc NDT sure
I'm German and naturally a bit biased towards German Tanks. At the same time that let's me empathise with our Russian designers when they get a rush of blood making Russian tanks shine. I suggest to beef the Leo1 up to the A2 or A3 version with the added armour and yes, the fire control system should give them a far better accuracy. I have a lot of friends that served in the Leo1 and statistically they all agreed, that a 99% first hit capability made them confident in their equipment. I am running now for weeks the Kanonenjagtpanzer 105 with the Leopard gun. Most of the games I find myself in are T10 3-5-7, but who cares with a gun like that and no armour to speak of. I like it.
@@wolftreu4799 I agree! But again look what a Russian company did to the Tiger 1 and Tiger 2... Probably WWll best tanks of any nation, they shredded T34s and ISs in droves but not in this game!
@@niccndt9943 I know, I know. This is a bug bear of mine ever since. I just don't care anymore. I play for fun. Sometimes hard to come by. I collect thje tanks as well. Good or bad. So my stats are up to shit. But the Tigers are still favourites of mine and now the Kanonerjaeger. I made 7.5 million credit with it in the last few weeks about 170 games or so. I'm waiting for the Tiger buffs. I might be dreaming too.
Nicc NDT, very well said. Ditto to every single thing you said.
All german tanks need a little bit of love, especially talking about armor and rate of fire
Eric Silva ye because maus got no armor
@@philosophist8011 i mean e-50 m, E-100 and leopard lines, they have really bad dpm and armor, maus its ok, but the other lines not. The only line really broken in this game its type 5 heavy with derp gun, you dont need to aim to make damage, like quickybaby said in 1 video talking about tank lines in this game "tank for noobs".
Eric Silva e50m and e100 are ok
@@philosophist8011 sure... compare e-50m with the others meds, no turret armor, poor dpm, armor is effective somethimes, and e-100 is the same case. Compare this 2 with everysingle tank with the same caractheristics and this 2 tanks lose by a mile of distance
Eric Silva Good players bait with the turret, not just sit and let people aim flat part of it. E50m used to be a monster not even so long time ago. Leo might need sime buffs. E100 is pretty much fine. With E100, don't just sit and angle turret. Use gun dep, angle turret armoe by using hills etc. Good players does very well with E100, almost as much block as with Maus.
Make the Leopard 1 have the best gun on any tier ten medium. It should have:
The accuracy and aim time of the grille
Better on the move accuracy than the Object 140
And it should have similar DPM to the M48 Patton. Why WG thinks a tank that can sit hull down and pump out more shots into enemies faster than a tank that cant and has to be sneaky is balanced makes no sense to me.
Also it should have more horsepower.
Thats just broken
The dispersion is the worst
braerikify it seems fine to me. The 140 and m48 have other positive characteristics than just the gun unlike the leo
@@kranvagn252u4 yes and sniping across the whole map with 60km/h with .28 accuraty is balanced, right?
Fuck off.
Speaking of vehicles that need buffs... T-34-2 ^^ Since like forever?! ^^
Tiger II anyone?
T32 anyone?
Pershing anyone?
Fv4202 anyone?
@@k4v4x yeah I think they need to give the Pershing the T54 gun
CORRECTION....it requires a MAJOR buffff...FFS....the tank is hopeless without armour....any tank at tier X without armour or compensating capacity in terms of firepower and other combat ability makes it useless...I mean....lets consider this..its a medium ..not an arty or a TD...(even the strv has armour mobility and ridiculous gun capacity)...and in light of that...no other medium has such a lousy profile or armour layout...the gun is an outright laugh...the accuracy is just a paper value..you can't count on it to perform in a lot of situations....it's just trash overall :/...
forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/646898-leopard-1-is-weak-buff-required-immediately/page__st__40__p__15137171#entry15137171
yes, yes it does
BoomFlare Russia tank too good? Neff German! :-)
No it does not, being bad at playing it does not make it bad. That is a you problem.
@@Michael-Madrid It's a meme dude, chill out
@@boom4590 yeah because saying it is a meme makes it all better :P
@@minimumsecurityrecords - Like my OP reply indicates, there has to be a worst tank in class at each tier - my question is why is it a problem for that tank to be the Leopard I (for you)?
I recently played the Leopard 1 a LOT to get the 3rd MoE on it, I have around 500 games in it and all I can say it needs a rather huge buff. I had to fire pretty much 90% HEAT (so I don't have to aim for 2 and a half centuries on every shot, which you can't cause RIP armor) with all premium consumables to be even remotely close to being competetive.
First of all, the Leopard 1 isn't a sniper... sure it can go back to long range (if it has to), but then, even with 0.27 accuracy (as mine has with a 5 skill crew) it's just a game of RNG. On top of that you are becoming quite useless to your team if you do so... its all nice and dandy if you sit behind your TD's and farm damage, but if the enemy Obj. 430U (or pretty much every other T10 Med for that matter) is destroying your entire team and controlling the important positions on the map, then you're most likely not going to win. You have to play the Leo 1 like any other T10 Medium pretty much, and fight at the front of the battle. If you're good and do it somewhat like in the replay, the Leo 1 can work. But any other T10 Medium is probably going to do it better.
I think the Leo 1 should either be what the K-91 is right now. I. e. a high DPM Sniper with good camo and mobility and with accuracy at least as good as the Grille 15, if not better, or have the most awesome gun handling in the game with I'd say 0.04-0.06 Turret traverse dispersion and less than half the moving dispersions it has right now and a bit better accuracy. And better ground resistance... Sure it's fast, but it's only uphill where its reasonably faster than an E-50M. The DPM in that case would be fine. It should have the most stable and accurate gun in the game (apart from the STRV's ofc). Also I don't think it needs better gun depression. What I've found recently is, if you can't make a position work with 9° Gun Depression, 10° mostly won't help you either on the 1.0 Maps.
In the end, what's the point trading ALL of your armor (there are light tanks in this game with better armor... one of them is at Tier 4 lul), if you're not getting something rather huge back in return. Right now the Leopard 1 can do everything what other T10 meds can do, just worse in every aspect apart from the accuracy, which is RNG-dependant and it gets clicked for 75% of it's HP rather frequently.
TL;DR: Make the Leopard 1 a worse STRV with a Turret or give it the best Gun-soft stats in the game (I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was one of the first tanks irl with a fully stabilized gun)
In case you wanna check my Leo 1 stats: tanks.gg/eu/ifoxifire
Fun fact: Leopard was actaully a pretty damn good tank when it came out.
The thing is that accuracy in general got screwed up at some point. While average gun handling didnt get that much of a difference, high accuracy guns felt that the most.
The amount of time u miss fully aim shots with Leopards gun is too damn high. While u cant really rely on anything else, gun should be balancing factor for a tank which simply cant shine in any other way. I can remember games where I was losing the match only because of "unexpected" miss. To make tank playable give it Strv's like accuracy, cause why not? Most ppl consider it as a sniper already even tho I find that accuracy is crucial in close combat too.
It's a paper medium in an armor focused corridor meta. Going to need to be almost broken to be competitive.
Yes it does cuz the russian bias. Its gun is better then any russian tanks in the game but with the magical lame ass soft stats the gun sucks and it has no armor
but it is a light tank, a sort of. awesome cammo rating for a medium.
@@generalsaufenberg4931 It has way worse camo than the 430 u and the k-91.
If it is Russian Bias why isn't the T-62A or K-91 up with the Obj 430U, and why does the 430 rank below other nations as well? The rest of the Russian tanks are Clan performance Reward Tanks so the numbers are inflated based upon user-base.
Anthony Ware give me leo vs russia bias and bias lose
The tank wasn’t designed for armour it was conceived when heat and high pen rounds would devastate most known armour at the time
In general, I think Wargaming have quite some tasks on their task list:
- Premium Ammo?
- Matchmaking?
- Impenetrable Japanese Heavies with derp guns (O[P]-I)?
- Bad maps? (they are doing a great job with the new ones though)
- Monthly 2 new tier 8 premium tanks but NONE at tier 5/6/7?
- A LOT of powercreeped tanks in tier 4/5/6/7.
- Make more unique and fun tech-tree tanks instead of taking them out of the game (VK28.01 with 105mm, 59-16 with fast auto-loader, FV304, T-50 and T-50-2 as in 2011, ELC AMX, and so on)
- Useless Radio range?
I think they should start with giving those things priority instead of focussing on bringing out yet another tier 8 premium tank every week.
Most of the woes have the wot because the original, well-crafted ideas have been overwhelmed by hasty, unmanageable, unprecedented chaos - now only the benefits matter, nothing else.
The good maps reworked to bad or simply thrown away: because the stupid but solvent "players" (or robbers by the WG) could not do anything on it.
Therefore, it was necessary to touch the gameplay which further increased chaos in the game - again, only because of the increase in the profit, with nothing else in mind.
Formerly the tanks were balanced to +3 levels, now only 1 (in good case - and you can not even get the two in most cases: when you must pay for playing in a f2p game...), while they have to stand at +2 level (almost constant)!
Stop buffing tanks. Stop encouraging power creep. Toning down power of other tanks instead of buffing the weaker will make a healthier game.
@GoreTale disgust? Wow you must be fun at parties.
Simple: If a tank is too strong, it changes game meta in a terrible way. v4. Type 5. Waffle E100. etc etc etc creating a cascading "Flavor of the month" series of tank. These tanks need smacked before moving other tanks up. Super Conq needs its DPM heavily nerfed. v4 needs its lower front destroyed. Type 5 needs the HE gun removed. XVM stats need removed from in battle.
All of these changes, plus others, would make a MUCH healthier game. Power creep is a cancer to a games health.
@@TodayIFoundSomethingShiney the only thing they really need to do for the type 5 and 4 is a slight increase in rate of fire for the NON-derps guns and drastically improved pen on the prem ammo for the NON-derp guns. I would much prefer to use the 2nd gun on the Type 4 but 282 pen for Prem ammo on a tier 10 guns is utter rubbish. Hell they gave the K-91 276 base pen for its standard ammo.
The current Leopard should be Tier 9. And we need a spaced armoured Leopard 1a1 or 1a2 as a Tier 10.
The 1a2 would need a bit more alpha (420) and 1650 m/s velocity.
Also a little more precision during movement and some little more speed or better groundresistance to get into decent spots first.
-E50M is weak-
Leopard 1 is weak :P
German tanks are weak 😂😂
German tanks are cursed by wg
You waste your time trying to convince wargaming this. Its german, and its a russian company that favors the russian tanks obviously and doesnt care that the players know. Other than the russian ones being better than everything else, They dont give a shit about tier 10 tank balance, it makes them no money. Ill donate 100 dollars on your stream if they buff it. Im that certain they wont
The Anchovies Name tier 10 russian class which is the best for cw and for random. Yeah, only meds and t10 lt are very good. Other tanks are ok/good. Russian tanks are boring overall. I would play any other tanks in randoms than russians. T100lt is fun though
Skorpion G says "Hi"...
lordchipmonk Defender
WTF Auf E100
Japanese heavies etc...
My point is that saying WG *only* buffs soviet tanks and puts nothing into any others is simply untrue.
Just one thing to prove you wrong: IS-4
the whole german tree, heavies, tds(maybe), lights(maybe), and mediums needs some love
THEFIRE360 tds and heavies are good.. l2p ffs... meds could get some buffs but i think e50m is good. Nerf arty and leo would be ok
I agree. The E-100 was recently power creeped. The Grille 15 was nerfed too hard and was power creeped by the sniping swedish TD's. The Jagdpz E-100 armour has been negated by the premium ammo meta. The leopard 1 and the lights needs just a little bump. Not huge, just a little. I think the E50M and Mause are okay.
Anymn e100 is not bad
Leopard 1 is very situational. As top tier in 357 it may be able to shine, but very map dependent.
But against a high proportion of T10 only games it can’t like for like hold its own. Arty near misses stun the hell out it as well as taking chunks of HP.
Any reasonably competent player will rush the Leo rather than play peekaboo, in the knowledge that you can always damage it, even with tier 8 tanks.
It needs a few buffs, the armour needs a little more here and there, the moving dispersion also. Maybe to survive it needs better DPM to fight its way out of a corner too?
The thing about the Leo 1 is this for me - if I’m last tank on my team in a 1 v’s 5 situation, what t10 med do I think I can carry this reliably in? Not the Leo. And I love this tank so much I want it to be truly competitive.
I prefer it in full t10 games as a full sniper, in 357 you have to share your hp at some point and then it goes downhill fast, at least for me.
I remember that as a kid, we went on a school camp to Drente... Drente is a province in the Netherlands that has many practice areas for the Royal Dutch Army... This was back in the early 80's and the Army has been using these Leo 1 around that time... I think it was the 2nd day of camp that a number of these tanks came rolling by the farm we were staying..
Yes....seeing these tanks (or any other tank I guess), had made quite an impression on me..This was the 1st time for me to see tanks, and so close too...
Why QB you not compare K-91 on the list? DPM is the best. Shell velocity is the best. AIM time is the best. Camo values is the best. Dispersion is good. Hidden soft stats is the best. Turret traverse is the best. Armor not bad for a sniper. View range same. Why should you waste your XP on a tech tree when it's not worth it? The german tech tree is useless to grind a Leopard 1. Same useless to grind a Rheinmetall Panzerwagen, E 100 etc. When you like a specific role or specific gameplay or a specific value you have many many other tanks who could do it better.
Leopard 1 < K-91
E100 < 60TP
Jagdpanzer E 100 < Object 268 Version 4
Maus < Type 5
Rheinmetall Panzerwagen < any other tier X light is better. It's a complete useless to grind up to tier X
Pz.Kpfw. VII < Object 705A
etc. the only 2 or 3 vehicles on a complete german tech tree worth it at this moment is E 50 M and Grille 15 and they are average not OP. All other tanks have lost the specific role (sniper medium Leopard 1), specific gameplay (dmg blocker Maus) or a specific value (Damage by shot E100). When WG introduce and create new tanks and tech tree's they made automatically the existing specific role or specific gameplay or a specific value useless to grind and that's it. WoT should introduce and create new tanks yes and on same day they should give the existing tanks who could be compare give them some little love.
E-50M is one of the best all rounder tanks in the game. It does literally everything. Check out skill4ltu's video on it. Its a balanced tank and in good hands its a deadly machine. Also you can ram everything for 250-600 dmg besides a superheavy which is the biggest fun factor in wot if im honest.
My first tier ten. I didn’t know how much I would expect from it but my stats weren’t that bad, by the time i got to tier ten i got a basic grasp of the tank.
I was furious because I would move out and hit something but miss and take damage in return. Now I feel like the Leopard is truly a hard tank to master but I’m getting closer to mastering it every game.
I’m pretty sure WG won’t do anything, so just get vertical stabilizers and the smooth ride perk and hope for the best.
davopan2012 Bad players will have peoblems on tier 10 with any tank... learn to play on low tiers man
Full aim, still miss. The story of this tank.
I have to agree. I have the Leopard 1, the Patton and the Strv 103B. I feel like the Leopard for being hailed as a great sniping tank gets outshone by both of these tanks. Whatever advantages the Leopard has , it gets outshone by another, more specialized tank. I do think it needs a reasonable buff. A little armor on the turret/mantle to let players poke out and bounce with it around corners or over ridges would be nice. A better profile and camo rating would be godsend; nothing major, but god that tank is...THICC.
Agent Ice but that would completly change how the leo1 actually is, you‘d just create a Patton or an amx30b, i think it makes more sense to increase the uniqness, make it a pure glass canon, awsome acc, awsome pen, awsome despersion, awsome speed, but absolutly no arma and maybe even drop the hp to 1750
The moving dispersion and the turret dispersion should be the lowest of any tier 10 medium Imo. Drop the accuracy down to .28, perhaps slightly improve ground resistances and -10 gundepression would make it so much better.
DON'T GIVE IT ARMOUR. I keep seeing people suggest this but don't they realise that it wont be a leo anymore. Its just not supposed to have armour
Agent Ice remove arty and derps or nerf them. Problem solved
@@yaboiyosef7640 as Schnittertm1 has sayed in an other comment : "The 120mm could be mounted in a Leopard 1 of any version. A first test version of the a Leopard 1 with the 120mm gun was based on a Leopard 1A1A1 with the gun and the EMES 18 sights fitted.
They later also tested further upgrades on a Leopard 1A5 (designated VT2) and Leopard 1A1A1 (designated VT5), where they not only put the 120mm gun in, but also upgraded with additional armor to the hull and turret.
The ammo storage in these cases was retained in the hull position, but the racks were adapted to accept the 120mm ammunition.
"
the aditional armor wold help
against HE also looks nice and a upgaded turret wiht 120mm boomstick but slightly worst aimtime and dispersion cold do the trick for the Leo1 and maby better soft stats as well
You absolutely bang on on describing the feeling of the first time I saw leopard 1 driving around in Bovington Tank Museum
T22 Medium is still played even though it’s been nerfed heavily?
I wanna see a replay on the T22 and see how it performs vs the current tanks that arrived
If you are allowed to do what QB did in the video, then yes it's good, but in pretty much any other situation it'll be worse than the other mediums.
And in a 1 v 1 against... well any other t10 medium, you will loose.
And now since all the slow mediums got mobility buff or massive armor buffs, the Leo 1 is just left there as a piñata with a sniper rifle.
I say make it more Leo 1, buff mobility to 1000hp or so (or buff ground resistance to same effect If you want to keep the realistic engine), buff the accuracy to .28 base and buff dispersion values, make it all about mobility and accuracy.
Right now it's just slightly better accuracy and mobility and way way worse at armor, it needs to be more specialized to be good.
More like a pee shooter than sniper rifle. I would say you have over 70% chance of bounce or no damage when firing.
It should have great pen and accuracy for the offest of poor armour.
On maps with little cover your a sitting target once you fire.
Lets just say it as it is this tank sucks.
Buffs
Leopard: 50% better dispersion on the move
AMX 30 B: +32mm pen, smaller cupola, thicker turret armour
STB-1: overall 8-12% better gun stats, same DPM, 20mm more turret side armour
121: 8% less DPM, 18% better overall gun stats, +12mm pen
Nerfs:
430U: 30mm less UP armour, side spaced armour nerfed to 10mm, side armour nerfed to 50mm, bigger cupolas, 210mm effective armour
Why The ohter meds needs buffs the Tier 8 is all ready dead
why make the 50b like a t57 heavy, rather decrease the reload time and nerv the turret arma again, 121 needs some love as well good point
@@novalter514 i think the IS-3 and most of the Russian more mobile heavy tanks says otherwise
@@Takamiki Most top-tier Russian tanks are nerfed in the game compared to its real-life counterpart. Object 430, for example, had 280-320 effective hull armor with around the same on the turret. Object 430 could also go 65kph. its mobility was drastically reduced in the game to balance out its armor which was also reduced. T-10 had 310mm+ effective hull armor with around 350mm effective turret armor with very similar mobility to what it has in the game
@@ColorHawk_ and then you have the IS-3 where irl it couldn't actually depression it's gun past 0 degrees or else it break the turret, and WG has shrunk the turret of half it's actual height and increased it's gun depression :D
when it comes to the Leopard 1 they HAVE to buff the dispersion while moving as it literally was the first tank with a stabilised gun whilst driving. In fact the Germans were so proud of it that they released videos in which they would put a beer mug on top of the gun and film it not falling down on the move. Just look up "Der Panzer und das Bier" or " leopard beer test" if you prefer an english video. The STB 1 deserves some love as well...I know it's supposed to be this "lightly armoured but can be used for close range with its gun depression(increasing its turret armour by quiet a much) and awesome dpm tank" but honestly the accuracy and aim time arent really pleasent especially when paired with dispersion values like these. My proposal would be to have it keep its accuracy but reduce the aim time massively and maybe tweak some of the soft stats so it stops being a relict from the past when it was the best allrounder because every other medium sucked, now its time to adjust the Japanese tier 10 as well
Just give it actually good accuracy and shell velocity. People think .3 accuracy is good for some reason. Ya, it's better than a lot of tanks out there, but it is still a very frustrating accuracy to work with. Anyone who has played a tank with .3 accuracy knows how meaningless the number really is. All that matters is your RNG for accuracy, the number really is irrelevant, or at least it feels that way to me. The only tank in the game that I feel the accuracy number actually matters a bit is the STRV 103B, with its .25 accuracy. But even that tank has countless brutal misses when fully aimed simply because of the awful RNG system in the game. It is stupid for a player to do absolutely everything right, and then be punished for correct decisions just because of RNG, which is completely out of their control. The game would feel a lot better if you felt you had more control over where your shells went, rather than just crossing your fingers and hoping for the best, even when you are fully aimed with .3 accuracy or even .25.
couldn't agree more that.3 is just a nice way of saying "your shots have a minimaly better chance of hitting"
I think you are spot on! I would also add 10-20m view range since it is more of a light medium. The patton has higher view range but also more armor and that does not make any sense when comparing...
Hm surprise that you have the best win ratios in soviet tanks....
I agree for buffing it slightly, however i would buff it by another thing, that makes it feel like a sniper, its module damage. being able to keep something tracked or god forbid if you know the ammo rack of a tank ammo rack it, or setting it on fire with a few well placed shots in the engine, will definitely make this tank a lot better for skilled players and definitely a novelty for those who are looking for a specialist vehicle
as much as I love your (terrible) content, QB, the battle that Leo1 can shine like this is like 1 to 20. you can have a great game in any, even the worst tank, once in a while. doesn't change the fact that Leo 1 os one of the least competitive tier X meds in the game nowadays. also - you had so many lucky shots that these just testify more against playing this tank.
Bartek Wiśniewski well i would not say that the leopard is that bad, remember its the fastest medium at tier 10, which allows the leo1 to absolutely rock the battlefield and clean the last remaining forces at the end, i consistently do 5-8k dmg rounds in my leo, you just need to know how to play it, plus his shots werent lucky, the leo is actually that accurate, with food and the right loadout plus crew skills u can get the accuracy down to 0.26
@@k4v4x The issue is that the I'd FAR rather play the Russian mediums, if they weren't in the game the Leopard would be awesome, why would you play a Leopard when you have everything you need with a Russian medium except depression and small amounts of mobility advantages.
@@1theinsanity118 simple dont play a tank because "it has something" play it because thats a tank that u want to play.
my biggest thing when i started playing was the japanese lines and they are still my favorite even though a large portion of them are really bad.
@@k4v4x - you are a statistical anomaly if you are consistently good in your leo I which makes your analysis an outlier.
Bartek Wiśniewski more like 1 in 50
I loved the Shock n’ Awe Leo race.. Leopard 2A was a beast, was my first tankfest, got to talk to you, like one of last people on Sunday, and happy days haha
I absolutely love how humble you are as a player, even tho you are one of the better players in the game you will never say that you are and I love it
Well, the British invented the art of understatement. Good show.
These videos are great! Personally, I get stuck on tier seven vehicles because I get bored of playing them, but knowing information that will help me in the future is really helpful. Thank you so much and keep up the good work!
I don't want to bandwagon that all german tanks are bad. I'm a Unicum player, but if you look at all the stats... They prove alot. E-100 is on the same level as the IS-4, outclassed by almost all other heavies. The Maus is at a balanced position, but not outstanding anymore after the nerfs. Pz.Pkfw VII has some good armor if you can angle, but you can't because you have those obvious weakspots when you sidescrape and it's the novelty of back-turreted tanks... the Object 705A can do the same WITHOUT an obvious weakspot to hit. Grille 15 is also at the bottom of the list and I can still remember that they nerfed it hard in the past just because it was considered OP. If you would compare that to the post-nerfed OBJ 268 v4 it's nothing... Jageroo feels balanced, because it has the fear factor from the gun and atleast has some armor. Leopard 1 feels unreliable, has no armor (and with the current TYPE 5 meta doesn't make it better), and doesn't excel at anything. You can do the same with the E-50M while being a little bit slower but atleast you have armor. And then the Rheinmetall Panzerwagen... idk why it's in the game... It's just a even worse Leopard 1. No camo, tall, a bad gun (even worse when they actually reduced the alpha damage to 320, while all others got a buff to 390 except T-100 LT but it has amazing camo...
I love my E 75, But at top tier, there aren't many vehicles that really feel competitive, or just get outclassed by any other tank that gets buffed or newly added ones... Give the germans some love too, even if it's some small buff... It's something atleast.
E75 is an absolute joke considering its cancerous turret armor...VK45.02B is probably the best German heavy tank tier for tier as well as the VK100.01P
i dont have much experience with the leopard outside of test servers, but it was one of the most fun tanks i had played in ages when i do get around to useing it, its very fast and can dog fight vs heavires and some mediums quite well, but where it excels at is getting into early abush positions and putting that accurate gun to work
Could you imagine if WG brought in one of the leopard 1 prototypes where it had the 120mm l44 gun....actually that wouldn’t be a terrible terrible idea (if they don’t make the weapon too overkill)
I have the Leopard A1A1 120mm L/44 in war thunder and its a sweet tank, would love to see it on WoT
Why, we already have the 121 with a 122mm, anf the 430U with its broken 122mm gun and armor....
T110e5, Emil, Amx50b. Might as well bring in another 120mm
120mm smothbarrel gun in wot ?
Nope lol
@@riogrande163 I dont the 430U is broken because of the gun
I agree with your analysis, QB.
As for a buff I would also ask for increased gun handling because all too often it does not feel as legendary as it should feel.
And why not give it the camo of a light tank to truely make it that outstanding second line supporter that can use its mobility to play firefighter when required? Sounds like fun to me... and it would make up for the lack of armor.
My second ever Tier 10, such a huge disappointment after the Leopard Prototype
Yeah, the PTA is more balanced a tier IX, than the Leo 1 at tier X
When it first went live, I was like this tank is the best tank ever. But now it has been power crept and HARD.
Agree completely, the PTA was a joy to play. The Leopard feels like it's slow fat older brother.
Exactly my experience too. I had a good time in the PT A, not so in Leo 1. As an average player, I can never make the Leo 1 work for me, so it mostly just sit in the garage.
The only thing I hated about the Leopard PTA is made out of ammo racks and the gun depression on the rear is terrible ....
i haven't got the leopard yet.
i am now looking forward to it even more seing that game and how its got to be played.
i think the biggest point to the leopard is that few people understand how you need to play it.
NOTE - Not a single Russian tank in the comparison list. Good job being "unbiased". We all know the soft stats for all the vehicles are worse than their Soviet counterparts, but it would be nice if you were honest with not only yourself but the player base who watches your videos.
@quickybaby can you do a russian bias video?
Its a reason a lot of players left too
Whoa, game first then theory crafting?!?! The world just went crazy! :) Thanks for the info. I really enjoy hearing the considerations you make about other tanks throughout the replays.
Easy, give the Leopard its proper turret (in a re-searchable package) which then increases the turret armour, all the gun handling stats and view range. Even by a little bit, it would do wonders to the tank.
jep and the shock armor looks nice too
QB you are speaking FACTS right now. The leopard and many other TECH tree TANKS are being left in the dust and are becoming relics of the past, not being updated like other tanks.
Its actually so hilarously wrong that the leopard has such bad dispersion stats while moving that you have to wonder if WG made it like that on purpose. The leopard historically is actually famous for being able to hit almost very time, despite driving through rough terrain at full speed. its what this tank is known for. so making that stat so bad in comparison to older tanks without the leopards sophisticated turret stabiliser and firing computer is just crazy to me. why would they do that?
I like this kind of video idea. Maybe you could make a series out of this with tanks like the tiger II or the
t 32 that could take some love as well
14:22 Wow, only 2 players made 78 games on chieftain
I'm still surprised pc doesn't have chieftain yet. Apart from the Chinese server's but wg don't own them. Console had chieftain for acouple of years now
Chieftain is currently on Supertest. So ist a matter of time until he hits the PC.
@@arejee3380 keyword supertest. It could be weeks months until pc gets chieftain. And if the pc copies the chieftain from console the turret armour is trash on the chieftain mk6 compared to all the new soviet tanks us console players got( obj277) (obj705a) obj263version4. Honestly in my opinion of how the chieftain is in the console version it needs a buff to the turret armour. The hull armour is fine. The gun is best tier10 120mm. 270mm pen on it stranded apcr round and it's premium apcr round is 310mm+ with a reload of about 7seconds ish
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: you can make it work, but yes.
Amx 30b is worse. I might have good dpm on paper but it cant hit anything, but if it hits it can penetrate. And it also has rly bad shell velocity. I mean leopard has more shell velocity with heat than amx has with apcr. I mean the gun is a joke
Yet the stats show a different concluson. Apparently the better turret armor and higher dpm compensate for a few misses with the AMX 30b.
@@Anymn1 on paper it has turret armor and good dpm but in action it rarely bouces anything. Only thing that can bounce is the mantlet and amx 30b has that gigantic hact. And as I said it misses a lot of shells and cant penetrate enemies well enought with the low pen. It was made for close combat after the change but it doesnt have enought armor for that. The old version was better
I don't know why WG nerfed the 30B, was it OP or anything before the nerf?
Odins Blood they nerfed the 30B so hard i sold it immediately after the nerf, it had good acc 0.3 with sometimes trolling shots good pen 268 the best shell velocity out of almost all 105 mediums.
The nerfed its standard/premium rounds penn/shell velocity its accuracy and some other things but all gun related things are the most important ones, it belongs in the trash can now if people play it i don’t know what is crossing there minds.
joku random back in the old days i rather played my 30B then leo because of slightly better camo rating and because of its cupola wich enhanced its spotting capabilities
I agree on the dispersion - it needs a slight buff. I wouldn't go as far as buffing the mobility, but I'd give the tank an actual gun mantlet that can bounce shots. One more degree (or 3) of gun depression would also be a welcome change.
Nothing needs to be crazy, but that tank really feels left behind at the moment.
Sniper Tanks should have good camorating also something the Leopard 1 does not have!!!!! Why has the Obj-430U in my garage with 58% skilled camo crew better camo (31,89%) than the Leopard 1 in my garage with 100% skilled camo (30,78%). Both have BiA and same setup. Give the Leopard 1 the camorating to be able to snipe, buff the dispersion and the alpha damage to 420.
Glad you liked the US! Hope you get another chance to visit - and that someday I get to see you at Bovington one of these years.
This was my 1st tier 10......
Luckily mine is the E50m which I love most out of all my tanks in my garage
@@mrbill8763 yes
@@jingkunliang2995 wish I went for that instead
@@mrbill8763 Me too. Full aim and miss. Sold it.
Same, really, fuck wargaming.
I feel like WG's balancing department does a meeting twice a year, after that they work for about a week and then they go straight back to holiday...
Worst tier 10 tank in the entire game is the regular Obj 268. It's such a POS.
Are you sure? I mean clearly it's bad but i'd say IS-4 and even more the Rhm. Panzerwagen are worse
When I to this in the Leo, the first hit is track and ammorack and incomming artyfire puts me back in the garage
Do you have any opinions on the T55A buff and Obj.260 buff?
@@PoorCoyotee Τ55 Α is a beast!
At least to me.
I would agree on APs penetration buff.. just a little.
T55A is right now just much worse version of T54, which have better turret armor, more dpm, 2 guns to chose, much faster, better top speed, better acceleration, basicaly everything. from all the buffs incoming only new engine is worth to mention, but that tank will still suck. 209mm of penetration in tier 9, srsly? and armor buffs are not half that tank actualy need. it will continue picking dust in my garage. not really worth all the effort and time spent to get him
@@EnjoylThelSilence Better soft stats for T55 A!
It doesn't feel worse in my hands,I agree with the stats you mention but playing it is another
story.
Better mobility,way better gun handling and accuracy.. I take that!
I like both tanks although T55A came into my hands after 3 years of gaming!
So I guess my better performance with it has something to do with that too!
Still I see no buffs needed for these tanks apart for a little more pen.. on AP shells.
@@PoorCoyotee Turan III, Pz IV Hydro, Pz T25, Pz IIIK, Pz IVs, Panther m10, Panther 8.8 all require 5 mans crews so you can train crews for the E 50M, you have less options training crew for the Leo, Panzer 58 Mutz and Panzer 58 Schwarze. Non Premiums Indie and PTA both have 4 man crews, and you can always train your crew up on the 5 man tanks and just leave the radio man behind or spend 500 gold to retrain him for a different position.
@@PoorCoyotee The Pz 58 is ok for tier medium Prem and, the pz iv s is competitive for a tier 6 med mobility is subpar but gun is good and turret armor can be quite bouncy however hull armor is lackluster. of the Tier 5 prems I mentioned the hydro is prob best then the Pz t25, the turn meh with way to small an ammo load, the pz 3 k arggghhhhhhh. Panther m10 very underwhelming but I do ok in it now. The indie is better since they buffed it and I really like the PTA.
I only ever played it during the rampage mode, and I enjoyed it then. But I would probably agree that it needs a buff, because I am never quivering in fear if I come face-to-face with one in a tier 10 game.
Yes. I wud say so
Lets not even get started on the amount of love the Churchill GC needs... .-.
Cool Video QB! I hope they buff the IS6 tbh because it has just been sitting my garage collecting dust. I wish the penetration was higher lol
They buffed it a few weeks ago lol
@@bordercollie6593 Yeah ik, but 186 is just not enough I feel
Vincent Chen Its 15% weaker than a regular tier 8 thats how it shoud be. The buff was unnecessary the obly thing actually necessary was accuracy else it would be too strong.
It needs an armor buff.Any opposing tank sneezes at the Leo it's an instant ammo rack.Before reuseable consumables came on board I always carried 2 repair kits and toolbox on the Leo 1 and Leo PTA.
Interesting upload time QB lol
no sleep tonight :D
First the armour could do with a slight buff but nothing to drastic, as for the gun the dispersion while move needs to change, for example the sight could be slower to bloom when at low speeds. Those small changes could give the leopard the opportunity to compete again.
never clicked so fast on a notif!
Personally I think tank could get little bit buffs, but mostly it is ok. What lets the tank down heavily are maps. On every corridor or tiny (ensk like) map you have huge problems to "do your part". You can't play it as med, but mostly as specific td (sniper), yet the gun is not much great td gun. You options are limited and often can't compete with your adversaries. You can do great on flank sniping, but you have problems to fight your way through the flank and on some maps that is even less possible. I like the tank, but on some maps you simply can't compete. If MM gets Obj. 430U for your position on lets say Ensk or Abbey, then you simply **** your team by being there.
Well, hello QB! I remember the days of a very good, spotter and long range sniping Leopard 1. Also, as World of Tanks has progressed with new tanks, and unreal premiums they've seemed to forgot the legends. So, I feel this Leo once was King and deserve a dispersion buff when moving, 200 - 300 more hit-points, and a slight reduction in reload to be more competitive with the newer tier X mediums
I think that I'd give a buff to the dispersion value and decrease all the terrain resistances by maybe 0.1 to allow it to play to its strengths that much better. Giving it more armour or HP would be completely counterproductive.
wish theyd put the old turret/gun combo as an option on the 30b, i miss playing that tank
I either play too aggressively and get left to die by my team, or Hang back too much and miss out on a lot of damage. Occasionally when my team is just as aggressive as I am, or more, it work out really well. I find myself in the top 5 quite consistently now at tier 9 though it doesn't seem to reflect that yet on my service record..??.. oh well. I will make myself more aware of the teams attitude in future, but I have to work on that! thanks for your help dude.......
In-game balance has a lot to do with map design. To prevent camping, it seems that WG makes substantial use of corridor features. That weakens the tanks that depend on cross-map support at longer engagement ranges. The current shot dispersion model doesn't help either. WG could consider introducing shot dispersion models that depend on engagement distance (non-linear dispersion), but that would double or triple the load of trajectory calculations at least.
I think I'd buff dispersion when moving, ground resistances, gun depression by 1, and maybe increase top speed to 70
one thing not mentioned is to fulfill its light/medium role it would need to have quality camo rating which it definitely fails at. Lessen its profile, give it a meaningful mantlet and good camo rating with ok movement dispersion and its a screamer.
Could you do something like this on the 121? I feel like the entire Chinese medium line needs some love.
the leo1 is my most played tank and i actually really like the playstyle, the mobility imo is awsome but yes i agree the sniping stats of the gun need some love since it actually isnt that good at sniping compared to other tanks, i‘d buff the accuracy to 0.27 and increase the dispersion, also i‘d increase the standart pen to 289. That should be enough of a buff at first, one other reason for the low wr is probably that leo players play super passive in the tank and even as top tiers refuse to lead a push or carry a flank, my wr on the leo is only 52% even though my avg dmg is at 2.9k and im currently at 94% moe
I personally find the gun / handling fine, mobility is great, what i would do is give it a reasonably bouncy turret, dont buff the hull though, that would make it more competitive and you would still need to know how to use it to take full advantage of it :)
They need to do similar to what the K-91 has, so buff the pen to like 280mm, buff the alpha to 420 (but knock the DPM down), buff the dispersion on movement down to like 0.12, but the turret down to 0.06, aim time down to 1.7s and accuracy down to 0.26, make it the clear best sniper med. It's clearly worse in other ways to the other meds (like armour mainly) so make it stand out at it's sniping role.
Nice one Quicky, welcome back. I was wondering if I should grind to the leopard, I won't now unless they buff it. I have an Object 430, it's a tier 9 though on my tech tree. Isn't it the same for everyone? I do like it a lot. It can really hold it's own against even tier 10's no problem. It's ideal for me because I need good armor and medium mobility at tier 9/10 as I'm still not the best of players yet. Obj 430 has good armor, enough mobility and the gun is pretty good too. Just the way I like them! :) You played that leopard like a boss! I think it would disappoint me with my play style. I would get 1 shot'd to much. :)
Viper_db Viper_db 430 gun is only good on brawling rly
@@philosophist8011 okay, so not such a good sniper then. That sound about right to be fair now I think about it. Thanks dude
I think the Leopard should be better in firing on the move. When it came out, it was advertised as 'The most comfortable gun to play with'. It should get that status again. 0.28 accuracy with 50% better dispersion soft stats will do.
Could give it the spaced armor and the 120mm of the Leopard 1A5 modernization package. The problem is, that's a smoothbore gun and the package is from the mid 80's.
I would buff the dispersion values by far and maybe even change it to the Leopard 1 A1A1 with some spaced armor to make it a little protected against HE (and HEAT if somebody has loaded it)
Leo 1 is still one of my favorite tanks, even if it need buffs. People seem to ignore one of its huge strengths though, the godlike camo.
The Leopard was my 2nd tier 10.. after the Patton.. (I'm a glutton for punishment.. :( ). Yes, I chose both because they exist.I've found that it has three problems: 1. Because of it low armour values, not only does it take damage more often... but it nearly ALWAYS suffers 2-3 module damage in addition. 2. The maps are FAR too small (or crowded) for the tank to excel in it's intended role. 3. It's too easily over-matched by (supposedly) equal tier Russian (Paper tanks)... mainly due to the ability of snap shooting that the Russian tanks have.
121 needs buff too. I have this tank, and i get set on fire every single game. I even get ammo racked preatty often even though i have safe storage. Other then that it is balanced and fun tank. But its very frustrating to get set on fire so often, i had never had a tank that burned so often.
I've seen several videos where the leo does really well. I have yet to see an entire tier 10 match however. They are few and far between. the leo just doesn't compete at tier 10 unless it had maximum view range and long sniping lanes to work.
My first and only (for now) tier 10 is the M48.
And yes high tier matches are brutal.
Great video QB! But why did you exclude the Centurion AX and the Object 140/T-62A from the comparison?
I would buff its tank moving/tank traversing dispersion to at least the level of the CentAX (0.14), and buff its turret traverse speed MASSIVELY to probably 48, also comparable to CentAX.
This is exactly what i needed rn, shame I've seen the gameplay on live stream but oh well!
Just do what they did to the Patton.
Update it to a Leopard 1A3, give it the spaced turret that will eat HEAT shells, and it has side skirts to help the sides and this model also has gyroscopic stabilisers which would fix the gun handling issue.
Personally I would just make the accuracy absolutely legendary to make it really stand out from the others. Make the accuracy maybe as good as the Grille, and give it a slight dispersion while moving buff from 0.18 to 0.16.
Console actually got the Leo 1 's gun handling buffed so now it snap shots perfectly
I would treat the armor like it was supposed to be used. It was armored this way because it actually has spaced armor instead of thick steel armor. the treat when it was built the threat was squash head and shaped charge warheads of missiles and rifle grenades. With this kind of armor model it should defeat a lot of gold ammo shells which are so common in tier 10 tanks. This still means regular A.P. shells will still mangle this tank but give a better survivability