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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2019
- Dan and History on Fire host Danielle Bolelli do a crosscast together about Nazis, political spectrums, U.S. Presidents they want back and some other stuff. Basically it's a typical phone call between these two guys that an audience gets to hear for once.
Show Notes: Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
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Clicked so hard i almost cracked my screen
@Smirky Whitemale Or turns the radio off when looking for a street sign
@@SubvertTheState no the radio one makes sense !!! lol lol it helps you see m o r e b e t t e r
or squints your eyes and tense your face to ..see further.
you clicked so hard we're DOOOOOMED!! DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!
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This was one of my absolute favorite podcast. Thanks for putting it out guy's!
it's podcasts and audio books like Dan's that makes me excited to go to work and drive a truck 10 hours!
Haha, awesome, I been thinking about possibly driving trucks while listening to Dan's type of things and loving it :D
Right there with ya
It is rather upsetting when it's over though. Lol
1:33:25 "Sometimes the clash of interests leads to decisions that seem to make no sense"
Kind of sums it all up.
It always makes my day to see a new podcast :) OH MY GOD AND DANIELLE BOLELLI!
When the only citation is Mein Kampf and the guest is Danielle Bolelli, you know it's gonna be a good one haha
How much would I have to pay to have Danielle and Dan give me the news each day?
Damn 2 podcasts in two months!
he's out of control!
THE MAD LAD
imagine if he did 3 podcasts!
Is this real life?
Is this a fantasy?
I finally caught up on all of your content, your content is amazing, please keep up the great work.
Dan the man making my office job fasinating. Thank you
get on bobby lee and theo vons podcast fuckin hilarious lol
Your podcast on World War 1 was amazing. I'm hooked. This is a great thing you're doing. Thank you
Thank you for uploading these sir ! A gentleman and a scholar . I died and went to history heaven . I’m not sure if you (Dan) understand the impact you have on us history dorks . Thank you again man . Stay Zen.
They agree that 'freedom' is to vague to be useful, but are in complete agreement about the value of 'clean' water. They dont even stop a moment to consider what clean means
Should be required listening for all students 15 and older.
Thanks Dan, really appreciate it.
Never ever pay for anything on the net. But for Mr.carlin. we break that rule.
Yay thor's Angel's!
$1 per show is ridiculously under priced for the quality of his content
Fascinating. One of your most interesting addendums yet!
Pretty great that Bolleli's accent saying "I don't think it means what you think it means" sounds just like Inigo.
@Smirky Whitemale Inigo Montoya in to Vecini in The Princess Bride,,,"You keep saying that word...I do not think it means what you think it means..."
Great movie!💯💯💯🥷
Had a discussion with a friend, and it took me so long to realize that he was arguing from a fundamentally different world view than I. Basically, I hold the belief that your time is predetermined, but your actions are your own, and that you have to make that time count. His belief was that you are responsible for the time that you have in life, and so you have to reduce the threats to your existence in order to live as long as you can.
I told him this, he told me to stop analyzing him, and we don't talk anymore.
"I'm not an isolationist, I just want the foreign policy of (the period of American history known as the Isolationist period)"
Amen
1:17:05 in the age of fake news and changing definition of harm, Justice-Oliver-Holmes' "My right to swing my fist ends with another person's nose" is given a Pinocchio spin
We always have a few people who want to have a swing at folks and will argue that. So where do you draw the line of what is acceptable? Anything from a vague "Those people are rats to be exterminated" to "I'm going to buy a gun, go to this address and shoot people inside. Anyone who wants can come help." It's not a lot of people but their presence forces the rest of us to react to them.
Right now it's a void. It's really hard for a smaller nation to get facebook or some other platform to do something. Facebook didn't even have local-language offices that could cooperate when someone collected funds for a terrorist movement.
Love both of these podcasts
THIS ISNT PT 3 OF SUPERNOVA WTFFFFFFFF
jk thanks
I keep dreaming about Part 3 ageen and ageen and ageen....
Hahahaha best catchphrase
Looking forward to PT 3
Would be awesome to hear you do a take on Soviets during Chernobyl reactor meltdown, specially now since the HBO series is on!
Really enjoyed listening to this conversation
Fantastic. Thanks so much for the work
Thanks guys :)
Hi Dan, I find your work interesting, insightful and deliverer of knowledge.
Thanks 😊
i don't think people are more antagonistic today then they were in previous centuries. it's just that today many more people have a voice in the first place.
Yeah people used to duel each other in the streets over minor blemishes to reputation. We are certainly not more antagonistic.
YES!!! More of these, please!!!
love the material ,my favourite podcast
Huge fan. If I could wish for anything it would be that the podcast episodes would be broken down into one hour formats.
I am a Political Science major in Eugene, OR.
I have listened to all of Dan's podcasts in this vein (Hardcore History).
Joe Rogan turned me on to him.
I regurgitate his (and others') anecdotes, quoting him in debate class.
All of the series("s)(?)(I.e. Genghis Khan, Death Throes of the Repubulic,) all of his Addendums, every thought-spew he records is pure gold.
As a fellow Scorpio, Dan Carlin sets an example to follow. Thorough investigation, connection of subtle personas and events as only one who knows every other stereotypical personage COULD, mixed with reviews for obscure books that give unique perspectives on current and historical events, on subjects of interest to the discerning warlord or sage?
SOLD. He should charge more; Probably the most under-rated podcast today. Also the most informative. You would do well to meditate on his words.
Kustan
This is such a good conversation. I mean we're doomed, but the whole thing was incredibly interesting and it ended up unapologetically personal, and that was lovely.
Dan and TIK need to have a debate
This is just amazing. I don't agree with everything but I love it
Nice surprise, Thanks Dan.
Hey why aren’t your newer podcasts on Spotify? I’m a new fan so don’t know if you usually wait a while to upload or what. Hoping you’re still uploading there!
Just north of you Dan in Neskowin. Got a break in the weather, good time to cut some ivy off the trees. Thank you for making it a joy! You're the best!
Question: Dan says we need a government that isn't so small that it can't, "protect us from giant international corporations that run rough shot over our rights and freedoms." What's a potential example of that?
Debt purchasing and consolidation making someone a indentured servant to a company working off the said purchased debt until it's payed off or until you die. in 3rd world countries this happens think like diamond mines or something like it, they pay you a low amount of money anyway and still make you rent a pick and or shovel, bucket, etc for just under what you make that day that's what I thought of when he brought it up
@@andrew180995 Unlike governments, privet companies rarely if ever have the power to force someone into indentured servitude, especially in the West for 100 years. But governments with the power to confiscate private citizen's and company's assets proliferate throughout the West and across and the world. What should be the greater concern today, too much company or government power over individuals?
@@billandpech that's why I used a third world country where it's easier for a company to get away with it or just pay the government off out right. As far as first world countries it's almost the opposite, for the most part, where the government will trample freedoms and liberties with eminent domain or some other shady practices. But there lies the problems with no government we could all be indentured servants but with too much government we will get all our rights and liberties stolen one by one in the name of "national security" or something like it. thats why it's important to have the balance Dan brought up in the video
@@billandpech To have actual modern examples in the United States (A) it's not corporations or governments but crime syndicates that smuggle people and make the people work for them until it's paid off or they are dead (B) A collapse of some kind in the future that leads to companies having way more power than they have had over the last 100-150 years like you said. But example (B) is more of a thought project than anything else.... I hope
We are all more obsessed with logo's and names behind movements as determine what the actual movement represented. We don't see through the lines the way we should and we're also not the type to really dig into history to see what is being repackaged differently. Great podcast
Great cross-interview!
Thought maybe you'd want to know, maybe: Daniele is misspelled in the description... One "elle."
28:10 I love the way he rolls his r when he says "crap".
Alexei Crrrrrap
Fantastic program Dan.👍😎
Love your analysis of the political divide, when you asked which president to bring back, I said Eisenhower at the same moment as you.😁
I hope these conversations get recorded on a more frequent basis.
Hitler didn't discover the National Socialist Party, he discovered the German Workers Party and made it conform to his idea of National Socialism, as laid out in his 25 Points. You could say he abandoned that ideology, but every socialist does.
Such an important discussion!
Is there a source where I can find the guy who said “the bill of rights would be rejected today.” Legit laughed out loud
When NPR tweeted out the Declaration of Independence in pieces the Maga crowd thought they were calling for a revolution.
@@twonumber22 lmao
@@StarboyXL9 It was so funny.
Whoa....I have been waiting for so long...
Show Notes: "Mein Kampf"
Well thats rare.
But he is twisting the meanings. The U.S. and Great Britain had all the power and resources which makes them the most corrupt. The U.S. is the evil empire.
WTF? Presently the U.S. is a dickhead however are you saying that Germany, Japan and Russia (remember, they were with the Axis until Germany invaded them) had no power? Well, if that's true than it is logical to assume Germany and Japan were pretty stupid to start WW2.
@@mikegarrison3004 Germany didn't start WW2 or WW1. They had just unified and became a country with no central bank aka no global controller so the banksters made it so either Germans starved and ruined as a people or die. When Poland killed 50k Germans after the division of the country after WW1, Germany was justified in protecting it's own people and it's own lands.
You are the best content creator in any media platform.
First time listener, referred specifically to this episode...I'm guessing, because I like history.
Cheers! Hoping for intelligent and an entertaining 90minutes!
fuck yes keep it up dan we love you and ur getting new fans everyday you have changed my girlfriends view on history made it more accessible to us all. and very entertaining with the excerpts and quotes..putting u there in almost realtime
More of this please
Brilliant as usual.
Can't wait for supernova part 3!
This is one of those shows you see and are like damn only and 1hr 45 mins long
I have heard the "Nazi's were socialists" from some right wing types (being right of center I listen to a wide range of R commentators) and I think the reason it seems more popular recently has to do with the widespread use of the word Nazi as a means of discrediting someone. Something like a way to say "see, I'm the opposite of a Nazi because Nazi's are left". The word is such a put down that any way of avoiding association with it is very appealing, especially if it puts the negative connotation onto the opponent.
It also might be a response to the seeming increase of socialists in American politics like Bernie and AOC, another means of showing how "extreme" these policies and politicians are to younger Americans who may not have an as biased view towards socialist policies.
Niether of these are real researched points, I'm just spitballing here. I would love to hear what others think.
The real problem here is that Nazi is an insult at all
I'm digging this one per month schedule.
I think the effect of trolls is underestimated. Often insincere outrage meant to inflame others to angrily respond to a pointless argument. This creates noise to distract from actual intellectual discourse. Most trolls are homegrown and not part of some country's propaganda wing.
unsafespace I get called a troll constantly if i point out how the Democratic Party fucked Bernie and continues to try to knee cap progressives. I get called a Russian bot or dismissed as a troll. So I’m interested in your definition of a troll. When I’m seriously talking about corruption in the party I vote for or how we’re doing regime change in Venezuela am I a troll? Cuz it seems like anyone who disagrees with mainstream narrative on the left is just labeled a troll
@@harleyk101 We need a way to ignore those people because calling you a bot or troll isn't addressing your point. As things stand, all we can do is ignore those comments and not engage with people uninterested in anything more than being what they think is funny. Thumbs up to your comment by the way, sorry I can't give a good definition of a troll beyond what I mentioned above but maybe that illustrates how this problem is underestimated.
As an addendum to my original statement I wanted to point out that "trollish behavior" rather than thinking of certain individuals as being trolls might help some people to see this behavior (in themselves as well) when they are attempting to sabotage ideas presented in a place they should be welcome. There are so many different occasions that one might make a comment thinking they made a witty, funny or otherwise sharp response but did not concern themselves with wether it serves the discussion or not.
Prob the best interviewee so far
Keep it up Dan & team!!!
Thank you
I cant comprehend how the political spectrum of America can be compared to any European political ideology of any kind.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins. Well we live in an era where everyone's noses are growing euphemistically longer! We live in an era where no one can swing their fist without hitting someone's ever-elongated nose! We aren't going to be able to do anything." Perfect explanation of our twitter snowflake age
Yea but if you talk to people in the real world, people don't behave like they do on the internet. I feel like that description only applies to the internet, but if you have a face to face conversation people are much easier to converse with.
We have a number of people who would like to take a swing at other humans, and talk about it on the internet. What kind of limit should there be on them? Anything from vagueness like "These people are rats" to "I'm going to this address with a gun, anyone who wants can join me." Not a lot of people, but they force the rest of us to consider them.
Right now it's been pretty hard to stand up to facebook as a smaller nation. What are you going to do if you're someone like Madagascar or Java. You want the aid of the company on something, and they don't even have a local-language office.
awesome convo
Oh yea baby I always love me some hardcore action!
Did Daniele's channel get shut down or something? I can't find it anywhere on here and just listened to a brand new episode on PodcastAddict where he promoted his UA-cam channel...😐 Halp
It's my birthday and Dan Carlin released a podcast!
Politicians today regularly say they are against freedom. It doesn't matter if they're selectively against freedom, no one is against the freedom they utilize and value. A violation of one right is a violation of the foundation of rights, which is self ownership and so a violation of all rights.
1:42- what is your definition of a “base”?
I wish i could have this kind of civilized political discussion with my hot-tempered friend, lol. I will recommend him to listen to this video for sure!:)
GSP is a history buff, truly unbelievable Champ!
41:14 you hit the nail on the head Dan. This is exactly what we're seeing happen in Myanmar right now
Dan and I have the same choice in hypothetical president. I feel special.
I could vote for an wiser Roosevelt as well ;)
@@ryanx9372 i believe he said Eisenhower.
I dunno...I think he said he was a decent modern president...I could be wrong, but I stand by older Roosevelt :p
Lol. I was looking for Mein Kampf in the library the other day but someone beat me to it. The computer said it was available but when I went to the shelf location there was just a gap where someone had pulled it out. I must have missed it by a couple of hours, maybe even less.
For some reason we are failing in teaching history, even geology. My uncle stated 40 years ago that the rigour of the education system is weakening. I to scratch my head when I talk to kids today about historical figures and happenings and geography, they don’t know nothing??? It is all about basic reading and basic sums. No logical reasoning, of investigative thinking. Are we deliberately dumbing down? so we become only emotional reactive sheepeople? Sheepeole need dogs to be told what to do and where we go. Is that what we want? Or is that what we are now? Good show!
This is great
I know you probably won’t ever see this Dan but I just wanted to say, that I’m a long time fan and subscriber to both Common Sense and Hardcore History. I’m a big fan of all your work, I pounce on every episode of Hardcore History that comes out, and I truly miss Common Sense. Thank you again for all you’ve done and this episode especially. I’m in my late twenties and something of a history/politics/religion nerd from a very like minded family. Anyway when this whole redefining the political spectrum for point scoring thing comes up whether in real life or online I really do just end up feeling just so so tired both in mind and soul. This podcast really helped me feel better and I’m going to use it in the future! Thank you again for that and I’m definitely going to try looking up your partner for this, I’d never heard of him before.
I think Steven Kotkin does a very good job of showing that Stalin was a through and through communist. I think the "Stalin wasn't a real communist" line of thinking is just people having trouble coming to terms with their personal beliefs. Stalin wasn't the only example cut from the communist cloth who came out that way...
Not even other communists like Stalin. There's moments pretty shortly after his death when they start to denounce the personality cult around him. Partly a way for the remaining leadership to clear their own names, you can argue.
The way you're discussing the political spectrum seems designed in and of itself to reinforce certain political ideas that you would call centrist and automatically discredit everything else, an argument to "moderation" which conveniently is where people who argue for it sit, which people are combating by dissecting and redefining the terms. I do hope you can see how that is in and of itself a problematic form of redefinition that should be avoided
Moreover, places like the soviet union were not exactly for a minimum living wage and workers rights or non state controlled labor unions, and was also not exactly welcoming of what we today would consider progressive ideas. Do you see how that criticism is entirely arbitrary as you're not applying it evenly, and by saying "well nazi germany had all these traits and was clearly 'right wing'" that is disingenuous?
As well, those big corporations under the height of nazi rule were effectively government controlled, as were markets. These traditional talking points are clearly irrelevant and nonsensical
The problem is they're trying to hold onto how it was defined in their youth for...clarity? The problem with that is the politics of their youth literally do not exist anymore. Everything has changed. Should the hard right still be monarchists now that there are almost no powerful monarchies (aside from a few places that would better be called theocracies)? I think Dan Carlin having this conversation he agrees with created an echo chamber where the two did not say anything particularly poignant. People group the two ideologies together because they were a lot closer than these two were letting on. The difference is that fascism is a second derivative of Marxism and Socialism is a first derivative. Let's say you lump a society like Imperialist Japan on the right... they are by far the furthest thing from the other two as it was just a shadow of expansionist Monarchism of earlier centuries with more powerful weapons.
People are redefining the terms in a way that our generation understands. We use the political compass where right wing is more economic freedom and left wing is government intervention in the markets, with authoritarianism being north and libertarianism being south. We could use east and west, I suppose, but it's not really our fault people of Dan Carlin's generation are clinging on to a god awful way of defining ideologies that should have never been used past the ultimate fall of monarchism.
Also, it's weird how they mention that we should look at the friends they keep for Hitler... yeah, he was sort of (half assed) allied to Japan (it was very cutthroat). He had the same kind of alliance with Stalin. And the biggest thorn in his side was Winston Churchill who is further right than any politician out there today. So looking at the company they keep does not mean anything at all.
tldr; Dan Carlin is getting old and hates that language is evolving
Jesse Admittedly I dislike when language is evolving or actively redefined in an unhelpful, malicious, or less clear way, but this distinction was never good and I would love to just invent a new series of political spectrums and definitions to replace it with
There is no such thing as a perfect viewpoint, nor anything that keeps everyone happy. Avoiding any kind of argument for fear of reinforcing anything negative would mean never speaking at all.
Correct. #Gumption
Why isn't this showing up on Carlin's website?
Jesus Cries! This fucking guy! He's ready like confetti in a piñata!
Thank you Dan! I live for these podcasts. You have inspired me to study history at the university, starting this summer.
Ouch... Don't waste your money. You already have access to books and lectures. University will only present one (read: fashionable) side to you. Good luck, either way.
I don't have to. Here university is free. All I need to buy is the books. Thanks for the tip though!
I thought this was going to be about the library of Alexandria.
it would have been more interesting
i see a historic and ongoing conflict between people who want change and those who fight change. everything else is just labeling.
You are so blind it's hilarious. Change is not a virtue. Constant and rapid change is chaos not order. Civilization is order.
Yay!
33:00 is so relevant right now as the 1st Presidential debate is currently under way. Wow..
"....We think in binary opposites that very rarely actually match reality."
Bears repeating. I know very few people, no matter how staunchly they may proclaim that they are "progressive" or "conservative" that are truly ideologically consistent on this position if you put the partisan labels aside and actually just discuss specific issues. When you get down to it, people's political beliefs are generally far more complex and nuanced than what our current political system (and dialog) allow for. The attempt to shoehorn everyone into either "Box A" or "Box B" is certainly convenient from the POV of our two political parties and most media, but it just doesn't reflect what is really out there. Then again, there are plenty of people who are perfectly willing to put aside a fair bit of what they believe in order to feel the comforting identity of one tribe or the other. And in this way, politics becomes a sort of religion, in which reality is an inconvenience to be ignored and/or rationalized to fit the paradigm.
"Bears repeating. I know very few people, no matter how staunchly they may proclaim that they are 'progressive' or 'conservative' that are truly ideologically consistent on this position if you put the partisan labels aside and actually just discuss specific issues."
Bingo. There's also the fact that some positions to change things are viewed as "Conservative" (voter ID laws) while efforts to keep even several decades-old things alive are viewed as "Progressive" (Roe v. Wade). That really shows how bad these labels actually are as the main method of dividing people up politically.
Yeah, thats how you know that this is a false dichotomy forced on us by a foreign group who wants to control our political worldview for their own gain.
But who I wonder? Qui? Qui would do this?
We're not worthy!!! Thanks Dan and Danielle!
Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no Vice.
The slope, it be slippery.
Get well soon Dan
#georgestpierre is much more educated than I suspected Dan. Great job getting him on your podcast
ha ha ha ha
The political spectrum is up and down from PEACEFUL VOLUNTARY INTERACTIONS vs CENTRALIZED TOTALITARIAN FORCE
Totally agree with what was said about individuals who are trying to rewrite history by placing Hitler on the left. However, I was disappointed that there was no discussion about the many individuals who claim conservatives or even moderates to be Nazis and/or Fascists.
My qualm exactly. There are FAR more voices calling conservatives/moderates Nazis than there are those claiming the Nazis were leftists. It's also much more damaging a phenomena, with innocent people getting beaten to an inch of their lives in the streets by the likes of Antifa. No mention of Antifa?
People who are antifa don’t represent liberals just like nazis don’t represent conservatives.
I'm 24 minutes in and I'm confused. I don't think I've really ever heard anyone try to claim that radical leftists are Nazis, but I've definitely heard that radical rightists are. Maybe I'm just not exposed to as many of those kinds of discussions as Dan and Danielle?
I've heard the horseshoe left-right thing before, but that's just a bad metaphor to try to hang on to a really flawed model. I like the "8 Values" approach much better.
I also hear the right associated with nazi's as well.
8 values approach? The Sphere model you mean?
Militarism, Pacifism, Materialism, Spiritualism, Authoritarianism, Egalitarianism, Xenophobia, Xenophilia?
[First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.
[Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
and now to suit our
great computer,
You're magnetic ink.
[First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be.
Dan needs to see the Political compass and its 4 quadrants
Mussolini started out as a passionate Marxist.
That relevant fact might have been pointed out if there was an historian or an Italian in this conversation - one without an agenda anyway...
What about the question Dan kept raising about why it's so important for people to point out whose "team" these leaders were on? It's a different world and not an indictment of either side.
For instance that having good ideas is more important than getting one over on the "other team"? What an evil agenda... prick.
Dan, you are a essentially a member of the modern day “Metaphysical Club.” I would love to see a discussion between you and Dr Jordan B. Peterson that was based similarly on the discussion of the current zeitgeist, the role of technology in it, and the appropriate level/length/system of discourse that should be aimed for as it pertains to effective modern government.
Peterson isn't terribly good at explaining what he means. It gives me flashbacks to french postmodern philosophers who wrote in such a confused and pompously constructed way that it was hard to pick out what that chap really meant. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.
@@SusCalvin well he is one of the Tribe. They tend to be very confusing and opaque in order to obscure the lies
@@StarboyXL9 It sounds like any other old guru I've seen over the decades.