Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2019
- From Episode 306 of The Jim Cornette Experience
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Jim is that uncle that tells 5 stories while telling one big story lol.
no hes the uncle set in his ways blind to the truth
@Raas Putin aew is doing great omega and the bucks are far bigger then he will admit and he is just old and out of touch with what fans want hint its not the boring shit from the 80s time moves on it was great then now its just boring
@Raas Putin but hes not right its not what you think it is its what is working for them what they do people love its move passed the boring not very good in the ring 80s
@Raas Putin stop thats 100% bullshit
@Raas Putin sure thats y wwe is failing even there out dated
"Dave has become Randy Marsh" lol.
Meltzer secretly hates wrestling. His star ratings are actually out of 1,000.
I agree with that as of lately. He is a critic.
4 years later and they're *still* spot on.
"No strong leadership."
Boy, Tony Khan has proved this right over the years.
Dave Meltzer has a man crush on Kenny Omega so it is impossible for him to be anything but biased towards AEW
Lol dave meltzer as randy marsh thumbnail please
“The Anabolic Warrior” LOL!
The Randy Marsh Tweenwave music reference is priceless and hilarious---
even the guys on the nwa program who look over the hill I have can believe could rip me in half
You must be a pussy then
Tim Storm is old as shit and still looks like he could beat the shit out of 90% of the population
@HicksZ34 You never know. Those pankes he throws at people could be poisonous. (Sarcasm)
@@astrozombiex00 You must be a fanfuck.
As someone who grew up in the attitude era at the root of the ridiculous shit, I still completely agree with Corny. Kenny and the Young Bucks are fantastic athletes but the spot fest matches just don't do it for me and they definitely lack a storytelling aspect.
Agreed. I'm loving AEW, but the Young Bucks flip between face and heel more than the Big Show almost every time they wrestle a babyface tag team.
Give me NXT anyday
Then you didn't watch the Young Bucks vs Golden Lovers which had more emotion and psychology than any tag team match in the last 20 years.
Chris Cross that was NJPW with Kota ibushi 😐, Try doing ANYTHING as good in AEW. MOX, MJF & LE CHAMPION are what make AEW bearable..... Cody too at times but his acting skills are so noticeable that it’s annoying. But still he’s better than Olivier
@@shawnmand5607 young bucks are shit
This is why someone's politics are nobody else's business.
Perfect answer
Amen to that this is what annoys the hell out of me about Cornette this is a damn wrestling podcast no one that listens to a wrestling podcast gives a crap about politics or wants to hear about politics
@Vegalus Who is being marginalized?
@@joebrown8503 Cornette comes across as a total idiot when he talks politics. It's just rabid orange man bad bullshit he has no substance and no facts behind anything he says. If someone debated him the whole of his argument would boil down to "Fuck you" because he has no clue.
@Vegalus Who has been marginalized?
I can listen to Jim Cornette talk all day.
Meltzer is the reason the fan base acts the way that they do today
Says the idiot with an NXT icon
@@andrewisjesus The difference is I'm just a fan that watches wrestling and enjoys it. I'm not like everyone else who has to bitch and moan on social media about every little thing.
@@andrewisjesus and I don't critize other fans for having a different opinion or enjoying something
Dave introduced the smart marks to Kings Road style wrestling in the 90s and thats basically the main event style we see today in every major league even New Japan. Jim complains about this style looking fake, but is OK with the boys on Powerr doing 50 punches in a match and not breaking an opponents skin or hurting their hands.
@@patale1640 He just has a preference just like anyone else. But what gets obnoxious is when Person A says something in a UA-cam comment section or Twitter positive about a particular show or match then Person B responds with petty @$$ insults and claims that Person A is wrong and that the wrestling or wrestler they like is the best and nothing/no one else.
Why doesn’t ppl understand that Cornette is not a hater, he’s just fighting to protect the purity of the business that is PROFESSIONAL wrestling?
And who made Melter the judge and jury of wrestling? He clearly has a personal bias against WWE and WWE style of in ring wrestling. Rarely gives them credit for anything while loving everything Indy (and poisoning the fan base in the process).
If you want a 5⭐️ match all you need is not be WWE main roster (NXT is developmental and resembles Indy style wrestling), have a match over 30-45 min long, have about 20+ false finishes (most are kicking out of finishers), and no selling dangerous high spots.
Preach brother
The... "purity"... of... professional wrestling?
Where the fuck have YOU been?! When I grew up, professional wrestling was a clown show with shieks and Communists and hillbillies and Elivs impersonators, and there was a LITERAL Saturday morning cartoon. When I was a teenager, professional wrestling was swearing and "puppies" and embarrassing edgy bullshit. When the fuck has professional wrestling ever been "pure"?!
CoryTheRaven You literally missed out on a key word in that quote which was “business”.
@@dominiquesmith7680 and AEW is doing about as well as we can expect for a pro-play fighting start-up company with five whole episodes and a handful of PPVs.
CoryTheRaven Fair enough I do think they’re not given enough credit by haters but also given way too much praise by fanboys. It’s nothing even remotely like ECW,WCW, or even TNA yet it’s praised as such although that’s due in large part to how shit WWE is and how much fans like sucking off that point.
Listening to this 4 years later is joyful bliss
This is looking to be the spiciest JCE episode to date (not involving Russo, Tim Horner or Trump)
i would say full of shit show not spicy
and Kenny King and Santino.
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 awe. Poor fanfuck.
and Omega and The Young Bucks
My wife. A super casual fan. Sat down and watched NWA Power but walks out of the room after like the second high spot on AEW
Two guys trying their hardest to do the coolest move doesn’t attract the same way good characters and storytelling do
@@CarloisBuriedAlive Exactly. Thats why I feel like early 2000s to mid 2000s was the best time for wrestling as far as quality of the matches
well she is a keeper!
also nwa power is the best thing in wrestling since i dont know when!heck, we even have damian sundaw back!
I just binged on 3.5 episodes of Powerrr... It's a fun, kitschy nostalgia act, but the very fact of doing this ironic retro show makes everyone in it look like a small time guy. Aldis is the only one who presents like a major league wrestler. The rest is everything Corny claims to hate about AEW: spotfest cosplay ironic bullshit from people with no physiques. The only difference is that if you look away for a second you'll miss a match and 3/4 of them have that Southern Fried thicc boi look that Corny has an erection for.
Marco stunt has no buisness in a wrestling ring period. He is not rey mysterio.
I think after 30 odd years of Meltzer critiquing wrestling and saying what was wrong with the WWE, and the WWE ignoring him, he finally has a group of wrestlers who like him and converse with him. And he isn’t going to point out what’s wrong with them after they are stroking his ego.
Alan Greenway bingo
In reality, Dave has always had top wrestlers from the territories sending him news. I did it when he first started The Observer. The first time I brought a copy into the dressing room, the boys all complained and called it a mark sheet. Within a half hour, they were all reading it and loved it.
Best description of him
Bruce Prichard and Eric Bischoff hate Meltzer for a reason, guys. WAKE UP.
Bruce pritchard strictly made a career out of kissing vince's ass,and as for Bischoff LOL what can i say that hasn't already been said?
Well Bischoff said a few months ago that he does not hate Dave and that he would sit down and have beer with Dave
As far as Bruce goes. They always had a up and down relationship. There were periods they got along on and off
Also Conrad and Eric admitted most of it the "hate" towards Dave is an act and a gimmick twitter.com/TheGreatFowler/status/1194317496632909824?s=09
Listening to Arn and JRs podcast now that Conrad is pulling quotes out of the Observer. It clear dave is making up some stuff.
@@Wadzillia What to do say to people who believe that wrestlers are giving Meltzer incorrect information on purpose to make him look bad?
why are we talking AEW when NWA Powerrr is killing it
For real, we shouldn't be sleeping on NWA, their shows have been fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Let NWA burn slow, like a good brisket. When AEW falls apart and TBS wants a replacement, NWA will be there.
I was shocked to see NWA actually had women in the crowd and I don't mean those 300 lb whales who are the female form of smarks but actual decent looking chicks.
@Jesus Zamora David Lagana did a recent podcast and said Turner reached out two years ago because they heard the brand NWA was still out there and wanted to see if it was viable.
Lagana presented Turner with a studio format complete with a sketch of the set we see today.
Turner never called back.
We don't know for a fact that AEW has exclusivity with Turner. In fact, I suspect Turner could do whatever they want.
I love Powerrr and am rooting for them to get a deal.
@@jesuszamora6949 TBS? shows how much you know
I'm a 25 year old wrestling fan and I love AEW but I don't shit on Jim's opinion because there's are valid points he's making about how the wrestling is presented because while those lucha style matches work great live it doesn't bring in casual viewers, stories and ring psychology do. A villain to boo, a hero to cheer, suspense, it's just as important now as it was 30-40 years ago
Can you point to any promotion where ring psychology has mattered to anyone since 1991? Of course you can't, because even people watching rest holds in NWA watch other product too, and none of those people are casuals.
AEW is a bunch of indie midgets watched by a bunch of virgins.
I love AEW and Jim Cornette!
@@09hicktown Jake Hager is an indie midget?
@@MrYouarethecancer I watched the Cody vs Dustin match they used ring psychology and it was the best match of the night on a AEW card.
Meltzer is out of touch. He compared the word "mark" to the n word and then blocked people who called it a stupid comparison
millec60 did he really?
@@himothy9871 Yep. i.imgur.com/OGT7aV8.jpg
My god he's become mundane matt.
The defence of: "Oh it gets over" is kind of dumb with the AEW crowd. EVERYTHING is cheered. EVERYTHING is over. Sure, the really great stuff gets slightly louder cheers, but every segment is "the best thing ever".
I think the the shocker here is that cornette didnt vote for trump
The defense of "Oh it's over" is ALWAYS applicable to pro wrestling. What the fuck are you talking about? If it makes money, that's all that fucking matters. Now, there are multiple ways to make money - sometimes what's good for the short-term can kill the long-term potential or lead to diminishing returns and it remains to be seen if that will be the case with AEW, but the whole point of professional wrestling is to get over. If the crowd cheers everything or loves everything, so fucking what? As long as they cheer when they're supposed to cheer and boo when they're supposed to boo, that's all that matters, and if they wont play along and boo Jericho because he's a legend now, well that sucks but at least they're still making noise and the noise should be representative of their likelihood of opening their wallets and shelling out cash for AEW gimmicks. People keep overthinking this wrestling thing - it's blood simple, you're selling a finish and as long as the finish sells and doesn't fuck up the long game then everything else is fine.
People - Jimbo here included - keep making the mistake of thinking pro wrestling is this monolithic industry. They're dead fucking wrong. It's not the same "community" it's not the same market - the only thing that links disparate niches is sometimes talent and sometimes the fans and that's it. What goes on in a little ho-dunk backyard mud show in Michigan hardly affects what's going on in Japan which hardly affects what goes on in the WWE - the AEW market is its own thing, with largely its own audience, which means what gets over in AEW might not work outside of AEW - but as long as it does in that little bubble - and is sustainable - then nothing else matters as far as AEW is concerned.
But 2 things dissatisfaction with wwe is probably fueling that and the dark order isn't over
@@fuzzydunlop7928 exactly. Jim wants everything to fit his taste.
I dont like hardcore shit either but im not shitting on the wrestlers who engage in it or the fans who enjoy it.
I look at Marko stunt the same way i look at spike Dudley. Hes in there to take bumps and get his ass kicked. If he can be this generations spike Dudley that's a good career
It getting over is the fact that they are going great in the key demos on TV as well. but yeah keep shitting on the live crowd
Maybe Meltzer is mellowing out in his older years. One man’s Citizen Kane is another man’s Troll 2.
Love this comment
ST. LEO Thank you. For the record, I respect both Meltzer and Cornette.
Dave is running a Business.
beautifully put
Dave has a billionnaire Kahn as a subscriber. He will close his eyes to stay friend with him and his other pwg friends. Dave makes good money, he chose money over being real and respecting the business.
Gooner CestLaVie Could be, he was bullied in high school but these kids like him so he’ll always put them over
This is the genesis of the Melrzer Corny rivalry 😂
I don't think Marko should be working actual matches. He should be the mascot / manager for the Jurassic Express and cause distractions and take bumps. I do have to defend them though because they didn't have Marko beating on the Lucha Bros. He wasn't giving a gut kick then hitting a DDT. The Lucha Bros threw him around then he'd shift in midair and use the momentum to hit a DDT. He did a couple spots like that and a few top rope spots/dives until he got caught and got smashed. If Luchasaurus hadn't gotten hurt, Marko would not have been in that match.
It's amazing what kind of different perspective you get when you actually watch the matches, hey?
@@gandrade27 "you cannot violate physics"
That's what professional playfighting does on a regular basis. Half the moves they're doing can't BE done without a tandem effort in which the victim is doing most of the work. If you want real shit, watch MMA guys sit on someone and punch them in the head until they stop. THAT'S REAL.
@@gandrade27 its wrestling you fuck its all dame near impossible you fake ass fans are a joke
Nah that one point they did some crazy move off the top and he kicked out..I drew the line there.
AEW does a lot of bullshit but overall I enjoy the product
Yeah a sidekick type of thing would be acceptable causing distractions interfering etc
The Anabolic Warrior. I'm dead
Brian's point about the Ultimate Warrior was absolutely spot on 💯.
That randy marsh analogy was funny and spot on
Meltzer is a liar.
Great convo here. They make a lot of valid points on AEW. STUNT and a lot of the mistakes that AEW has made. There’s no denying that the dark order, Marko stunt, sunny kiss, Nyla rose, the Rick and morty “crossover” are Mistakes and they suck. Meanwhile I think I’ve seen ONE match with spears and Tully Blanchard since all out... ONE!! it makes no sense. It’s a legitimate criticism. Meanwhile NXT has grown in excitement each week. That heel turn by Balor was great. His promo this week was great. The AEW title contract sign segment was great and had some other great segments. But that rick n morty thing had cringe levels over 9000. I mean if the young bucks brought about 9 kids in the ring and spent 8 minutes doing fortnite dancesTHAT would not have been as cringe. Lol
Derrand Clean Logic What does NXT have to do with anything? AEW only exists because people were tired of that WWE shit.
Shame you skipped Dark Order vs. SCU last week. One of the best tag matches AEW has ever had.
Blockchain Millionaire dark order are what you get if you book the oddities as a serious act.
Can someone tell me where i can find the “this is livecast” intro music? It used to be on meltzers podcast?
When I am watching wrestling or listening to UA-cam for entertainment the last thing I want to hear about is politics.
The president lives rent free in this guys head
@@jacksonjacob7791 lol Trump is moving to Florida to live rent-free in the swamps now LOL
i agree so much... especially when old idiots dont understand, its all rigged n fake, they are selected , not elected. doesnt matter who voted for shit. nobody votes for shit. its fake. lmfao. propaganda
Gravydog316 He wanted to drain the swamp and ended up moving to a state with swamps. How fitting
@@kevinedwards1913 he never drained shit... politics is politricks.. even if jim cornette thinks another politician will save humanity. he would be wrong. they are all the scum of the earth. its all a dog n pony show, faker than pro wrestling. period. no debate. no politician is good ! all news is propaganda .. people just dont understand. they r puppets n actors. the real people pulling the strings = we will never know who the real leaders are
So, Marco vs Hornswoogle ?
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. WWF/E and Meltzer have been enemies going way back. Dave has unprecedented access to a major wrestling company with AEW so, yes, he's riding it for all its worth and he's doing it for the money and power. He's working and the hopes of overtaking Vince McMahon give him the feels WAY DOWN.
I was a little kid when the midgets were a thing and I get they were an attraction, but even at 6 and 7, I didn't get it.
The next thing you know, Meltzer is going to praise the Jacksonville Jaguars (the Khan’s football team) while bitching about the “refball” when things don’t go the Jaguars way (ala the Detroit Lions)!
Ultimate warriors promos where perfect for his character. Parts unknown didn't mean they didn't know where he was from. He was the ultimate warrior from parts unknown (a savage land) he speaks in pychodellic tongue
meltzer is on the payroll
"level headed human being" = "drone I pay to kiss my ass"
I've noticed Meltzers definition of success is the crowd response unless it's wwe. With that logic I'm more likely to get a five star match by getting into a fake fight doing real (and dangerous) highspots if it's in front of five people in my backyard and it "gets over"
Jim should really have figured out that this marketplace has niches by now. All I get out of this video is, "Someone doesn't agree with me and this makes me frustrated." - AEW is a bubble, pro-wrestling isn't monolithic. This facade of a "war" between WWE and AEW is hardly a tangible reality. AEW has their fans, their little gimmicks that get over - WWE has a stale product - Japan keeps doing its thing - the high-tier indies keep doing their thing - the little ho-dunk mudshows in Michigan will keep doing their thing - all of which have different caveats to what gets over and results in sustainable business and the only thing which links any of these disparate spheres is - some times - talent and also sometimes there's a bit of fan overlap. That's it - pro-wrestling is not just "pro-wrestling" any more. It's segmented. So why the fuck is Jim so pissy about AEW?
1) That's how he makes his money. What else would he talk about if he wren't angry at something - being angry is his fucking gimmick.
2) Corny doesn't realize how segmented the product has truly become - there is no single "direction" the industry is headed in anymore. Marketing is done to niches - there is no wrestling "community" - get your head in the fucking game already. You don't talk about shit like MLW or NWA - even though they're niches which you would find perfectly fine compared to something "offensive" like AEW - even though mentioning these products would potentially give them more exposure, because unless you're angry and frustrated no one will care what you have to say - that's sad as hell. Corny keeps tonguing the tender cavity in his mouth and getting frustrated when it results in a sharp pain. Stop watching it, motherfucker, that's all you have to do - but you wont, see 1).
If you don't like rocky-road and prefer strawberry, then order strawberry, you fruity bastard. Nobody is forcing rocky-road down your throat. People talking about how much they enjoy rocky-road is not forcing it on you, that's just people talking about shit they like. If you're angry over that, understand there's no appeal to authority that will make your counter-argument any more legitimate or illegitimate than their argument - because it's all a matter of personal taste. Their rocky-road will not sully your strawberry. If you're frustrated because more people aren't ordering strawberry, then your frustration is entirely your own doing and there's nothing you can do about it because ice cream is best enjoyed and not picked a part to death. Get the fuck over it.
Well said.
given that this has been his m.o. for AGES, aren’t you basically mimicking him with the rant you just posted?
@@oodatooitis6714 By your logic, anyone who expresses themselves on any topic at any length in one direction or another is mimicking Cornette. That said, - to indulge you - I'm not making money off of this. Stooging off Cornette is not my gimmick - being a pissy old curmudgeon is Cornette's gimmick, though. I don't think your point holds much water to tell you the truth.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 thanks for indulging me. so by my logic as you've stated, what if I'm right? is that the end of the world? and b/c he makes money off being a pissy curmudgeon that makes him wrong?
seems to me that you ranting about the way he rants about aew b/c it makes him money is what doesn't hold water here.
@@oodatooitis6714 You're misunderstanding me I think - Cornette isn't correct about the business - the fact he's being a pissy curmudgeon DOES in fact make him wrong in this case, because he's shitting on things like AEW because he's trying to work to his audience, ignorant willfully or otherwise to the reality of the business today - in which something like AEW has its niche and isn't harmful to the wider industry as a whole.
And no, me ranting DOES hold water because while he's paid for his rants - I am not. I'm doing it because - as someone who deals inside the industry - I feel he's incorrect in his appraisal and he spreads false understanding of the business today. Whether he does that because it's his gimmick or he does it without realizing he's wrong (which I have a hard time believing because he's an intelligent guy) remains to be seen. Does this make sense to you? I'm not sure I could make it any more clear for you if you don't.
We got even more stars on thumbnail this time)
(every Young Bucks match ever) BELL flippy flippy flippy superkick tag flippy flippy superkick superkick tag flippy flippy flippy flippy flippy superkick superkick superkick superkick tag flippy pin
I know that Corny will never read this, but I have said this before about Meltzer. Who needs his blessing for any match? Meltzer has done nothing but state the obvious for years, but now with everyone pretty much in the loop due the internet, Meltzer is obsolete. Sure he was a big deal way back when before the internet. Now, he just stammers and his tounge bumbles over his teeth whenever he talks about whatever subject. But whatever he is talking about, he states the obvious. Thats all he does. Anyone that pays attention can do that. Sure, he is awesome with numbers and stats as far as ratings and money goes, but who really cares about that? Fan wise, who cares? Corny, as you told us many times about Russo, I am telling you about Meltzer. He is a bandwagon jumper so his hardcores stay with him and he doesnt lose subscribers and all he does is state what we all see. Read this, Corny!!!
all he does is jacks off to every young bucks match and keeps giving them 5 star ratings
Nobody needs his blessing for a match. But, Dave doesn't demand that either. It's an opinion and whether any of us like it or not...his opinions are something that fans and people in the industry want to read and hear about.
I don't always agree with Dave on matches, but I respect his opinion. If his opinion started to become too silly and nonsensical for me...then I would stop caring about it.
As far as the rest, he's hitting a niche market. He doesn't just give ratings, but he gives analysis on the news of pro wrestling. And his analysis is based on the education he's received from reporting on pro wrestling for decades as well as what he's learned from people like Paul Boesch, Larry Matsyk, Sam Mushnick and even Jim Cornette himself. It's probably not going to appeal to the regular Joe who goes to watch wrestling, but for his niche market it does appeal.
And it wasn't long ago that the WCW people were complaining that Dave was a WWF/WWE bandwagon jumper. Then when WCW turned it around, he was now a WCW bandwagon jumper. He likes what he likes. And if it gets too ridiculous, then I stop caring. Until then...
@@richiehunt5097 I dont mind that he has an opinion. I respect his opinion. I just have issues with people taking everything that he says as gospil. 9 out of 10 times all his opinion is what we all see in front of us. He states the obvious. Before the internet, he was an insider and it made sense for everyone to listen to everything he said. But, now, he is kind of obsolete. With all the insiders and the business exposed, he really doesnt offer anything that matters anymore. Its not I dont respect his opinion. I do. Everyone is entitled to free thinking. I just dont agree with everyone taking everything he says as scripture of the business. Especially, since he has never done it.
Then you should take issue with Jim because Jim apparently values Meltzer's opinion so much that he has to take him to task and can't believe Dave defends AEW.
Dave doesn't just state the obvious. He's very informative and that's why I read and follow his stuff. Like the time he discussed the issues with having an over babyface being a transition champion...it kills the face. It's not so obvious, but Dave mentioned he learned that from Muschnick and Matasyk and showed examples of it and Dave was right. Dave is great at explaining the point of view from the booker/writing team and the wrestlers and the TV execs and for me it's very informative.
I agree, many people take whatever he says as the gospel, but that goes for anybody that has an opinion or promotes something. Just like the marks that take everything Corny says as the gospel. I love Jim to death, but I don't always agree with him and sometimes I think he's just way off base. But, he's entertaining and informative and I understand it's an opinion and I'm trying to listen to his opinion because, in the end, it's worth listening to. Same goes for Dave.
@@richiehunt5097 Believe it or not, I am in agreeance with most of what you are saying. Why Cornette takes everything he says to heart is beyond me. But, like you, I love Cornette, but dont agree with everything he says. Jim is informative and very entertaining, but sometimes on some things, he does go out in left field on some things. I just think, in my opinion, that Meltzer says what he says now just to keep current subscribers, and repeatitive on some of his topics and issues.
Dave Meltzer and his peeps in the wrestling media are the ones who made wrestling what it is today, not very good.
Mindless, babbling nonsense Just utter bullshit.
Steve Donald I agree
@@MattSingh1 No, your posts for years and years have been mindless, babbling nonsense, as one would expect from a inbred indian
No Russo and his bullshit did.
@@madddoggnogood1491 Russo is trash that is true
Remember in The Grinch cartoon when he thought of his plan & that smile slowly built on his face? I imagine Jim doing that in reverse when he met with Tony Khan about AEW.😂😂😂
never heard those audio shows but in the last few years Dave explicitly stated on the observer board that Jim wasn't doing a gimmick n it was his legit opinion so it seems odd that would change.
If he ends up the world champion some place then yeah, maybe I'll agree with Cornette. But his position on the card is a tag team partner to the enormous Luchasaurus, and the wacky but talented Jungle Boy. They're a tag team of weirdos who are over because they're a unique package. And even if you look at it like that, it's not like Marco is running wild on everyone, that's' Luchasaurus' job (or in this case Jungle Boy because Lucha is injured).
James Young that’s ridiculous
Corny I love ya and I agree with virtually everything you say. Trouble comes because you are so harsh. Your critical skills are spot on but your way of saying it alienates a lot of (younger) people. They don't know about anything pre Attitude era and they think it's fresh and not stupid. It's a fine line to walk but it's not getting you across right now.
PS - I fucking hated the Cody/Schiavone promo. It was boring as two fellows discussing cricket
Here's my take on it:
There are still workers who have pride, who dare to say no to silly shit and who look the part.
Problem is, those sit at home because they're not "cool" enough or, as I was told, not "indy" enough.
I hate the way the business is going. I'm trying to get out there but the silly shit is getting used instead of the believable stuff.
The problem is that Dave, and other smaller wrestling journalists, are on the payroll for AEW. Cody and those guys snatched all of these journalists up and now they are all making more money than they used to, so they are not going to say anything negative about what they are doing.
I like Dave. I tend to agree with him a lot. I like Kenny Omega and the Bucks. But I do think he goes a bit too easy on guys like Stunt and Orange Cassidy.
All I know is my favorite is NWA !!
"It's a figure of fucking speech! You don't like my figures of fucking speech?! Don't listen to my fucking speech!"
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
I"d like to know from Jim how a match between Marko Stunt and New Jack would look like.....New Jack vs. anyone in AEW for that matter.
Honestly, I could see Jack getting along with Stunt. His partnership with Shark Boy was a surprisingly fun team-up and Jack was clearly having fun with the material.
I'd like to see a Marko stunt vs Blackjack Mulligan in his prime.
10 out of 10 reference
“Ya fuckin prissy, prancy ass faced clown” 😂😂😂
Jim, I’d like you to apologize to Randy Marsh. Please don’t compare Meltzer with him.
I can’t get over how funny Kenny Olivier is.
Le Champion Chris Jericho should have Jim as a manager to do the same rant at Kenny Olivier on AEW tv
The one issue I have with NWA Power is the Dawsons, they are the absolute shits. Awful in ring performers, who cut terrible promos and are pushed far harder than any anybody with their level of talent should be. They are opening match enhancement talent who are pushed as main event talent.
I don't understand why Jim is upset about small guys in AEW. Wrestling promotions have been using small guys and midgets for years. Has he forgotten about Spike Dudley, James Ellsworth, Hornswoggle?
When sum1 gets paralyzed or dies tryna put on a “5 ⭐️ “ for Dave’s standers....then maybe he’ll change his tune......then again maybe he won’t.....😑
many wont say it but you said it...that's right. many now take his word for gospel of wrestling due to ppl over glorifying his knowledge as a fan which is what he was and still is, through time. its the reason why on aew someone is going to get severely hurt doing so called " strong style" or eccentric lucha maneuvers. you have some of it in wwe, but its not done excessive in every single match not counting a plancha every match. years ago guys i worked with in the ring weren't that small, well, not like now. however, they could do moves like that but didn't due to knowing it could fuck them up over time and saved it for "high spots" or a go home set up. something done special to make it seem special. not like now where almost everything is being done and its too excessive. ffs even a super kick is as common as a arbar. there is more mediocrity now then ever in pro wrestling due to the fact of the let everybody wrestle this way it gets the guy training money. instead of saying hey, grow more. gain weight, work out, no its not said due to hurting feelings in a pc world..
@@MediaM5 find me one person who gets paralyzed landing on their shoulder or back on MEMORY FOAM. get with the times gramba. These rings and the floor are soft and forgiving as shit. That's why all these shitters are able to do this stuff no problem.
I think he should stop do ratings in matches. Wrestlers are using it now to try and get over, promoters and fans are using it as something to evaluate a wrestler, sometimes even more than the other factors which in most cases matters more.
I mean, his initial objective with this was great to evaluate matches and rank them but it became an obsession now and it has to be stopped unfortunely.
@@MrSinister718 memory foam? its canvas around nothing like memory foam.. and most dont even if u watch land on their shoulder or back. i never said not to do them i said the excessive. did you read? when you can say or ask anyone who has been in a ring the same then dont say the ring and floors are forgiving because the aint. and if you say you have been in one starting out or no others like that ? bullshit...cuz no place starting out with money is going to wasteit all on a ring somewhat they will get a cheap shit to train like a 14 x 14 or one low to ground with no floorposting. wwe has the thickest at almost two inches but it isnt memory foam. most rings are boxing rings due to being fucking cheap or rings that are training size being under 18 feet and can be fucking unforgiving. with hardly any foam at all just fucking 2x4's and some fuckin foam padding one can put on a floor under cheap carpeting so dont sling the grandpa shit out due to ignorance when it doesnt take a grandpa to know common sense when you dont know a thing . paralized? dont have do be paralized either how about crippled from the waist down or not able to bend or move their upper body. even a body slam done wrong can herniate a disk if not posted well upon and landing wrong with it NOT being memory foam
@@wackratos8072 as long as ppl pay its going to continue...he can give opinions and whatnot which is fine, everyone has them..however to impliment " authority" on the matter or influence in thay way is what is taken over the " business" of wrestling. if its not him its others...its been happening for years other then dave.
Astute political/wrestling combo.
What’s new Meltzer Magoo?
Old school hardcore fans always valued Meltzer's opinion to a point but the newer fans...the twitter millennial fans, they literally live and die by his opinion. If he shits on something they like, they then shit on it too because to them his opinion is literally gospel. The influx of these newer type of wrestling fans is unprecedented...the way they think, the way they view wrestling, what they get out of watching wrestling. On twitter, he simply caters to those that put money in his pocket, it's probably too easy for him not to, he just can't resist. It's "business". Between that and being in the bubble for so long, you see him post a shit ton of nonsense on twitter now catering to the shit heads via absurd postings and replies. As an old school Dave fan, it's really hard to see what hes become, because at 1 time the guy was insanely credible. Thank fucking God Jim Cornette is still here doing his thing, unphased and unworked, giving his honest opinions on shit.
didn't someone compare marco stunt to rey mysterio? i don't get upset about this goofy shit too often but i thought that was baffling.
Not just someone, but Meltzer himself said that Stunt was as big as Mysterio in his WCW days lol
Smh
Where’s the AEW NXT review??
1:29 LMAO perfect analogy
The Randy Marsh reference lmao
I guess everyone has to all think the same way these days 😔
@Pro Wrestling Weekly fuck you and trump
Poor Jimmy, longing for a time when people believed wrestling was real and he wasn't a kids entertainer
Too old and stupid to realize those days are never coming back
Corny: "Pockets is exposing the business by playing a character who is lazy!"
WWE Network: exists
Jimmy gets away with sooo much nonsense and bullshit because he is very witty and he is very quick with retorts, and this can mask the absolute shite he spouts. Entertaining tho
yes, we know you love AEW & a guy rubbing baby oil on himself
@@jayuppercase3398 If it wasn't for the fact that he is funny and entertaining I'd never listen to him.
If AEW wants to have Marko Stunt wrestle (which they obviously do because he’s over) they should start a Mini-Estrella division for him to wrestle people his size. It could also help AEW get appeal in Mexico because that style is popular there.
Even as a Trump supporter I have to upvote. He just knows what the fuck he's talking about when it comes to wrestling.
the more I watch Dynamite vs NXT and listen to Corny, I can't tell if I really liked the Elite or I just liked the Elite in New Japan.
Do you guys think that MAYBE, AEW is using talent that was available to them and as time goes by and they can gain new talent eventually these goofy guys will depart?
Also, the comic con/video game fans are many of the fans that came from NJPW and in order to gain the casual fans will force AEW to begin transitioning to a more serious platform.
Yes, I did point out the body type of the NWA. The comment was based on Cornie's comments that wrestlers should look athletic. There is no way Trevor Muroch looks 'athletic' and I love Trevor. But with the Vince vision of muscle heads and Cornies vision of athletic would have completely erased legends like Black Bart, Dusty, Barry Windham was a bunch of bones early on, Baron Von Rashke, One man Gang, George the animal steel, etc..
Also Marko Stunt has a disability in his spine that limited his size. Now, I don't particularly care for Stunt but at least know why he is that size. Also, the legless guy had ONE show and isn't on the actual roster of AEW so it shouldn't be a big deal. Sure mention it once, but cotinuing to mention it based on that first show is pretty stupid.
Exactly. Hes just harping on it like hes gonna win the aew Championship or something. He was in a battle royal. It was pretty inspirational imo.
Jim just hates anything the bucks and Kenny are affiliated with. But hes knows damn well if they wanted to come to tge NWA lagana and Corrigan would back up the truck for them.
They got MJF from mlw, you're telling me that they couldn't have gotten Fatu if they really wanted him? There are a lot of great wrestlers not tied down to lengthy ironclad contracts yet aew had their eyes set to orange Cassidy day one. Also to address your original hypothetical question; if you dont have the talent right away to do a 2 hour weekly show then do 1 fucking hour a week till you get the talent to do 2
@@rickyspanish620 and when has MJF wrestled since Dynamite started. He hasn't even cut a promo.
Jacob fatu and contra is executive to mlw just like the dynasty guys and hart foundation.
Talent wise aews midcard and Women's division is lacking. Everything else is fine for now
Shawn Clement Sir you are SPOT ON!
That's true actually. I'm not an aew mark but the one legged guy and Dick flip aren't on their roster! They got 🍊 Cassidy and tiny Marko who did get too much offense in but did get beat hands down in the end
The Anabolic Warrior lol
Who's the legless guy Jim keeps referring to?
Go watch Double or Nothing the battle royal u would see they had a legless wrestler
We're talking about a guy who said that at the time Hogan vs André the giant was atrocious. Wrestling is about making money. Meltzer only thinks about technical wrestling.
It was atrocious. Andre was injured, he couldn't even lift Hogan for the bearhug. Yes, the ending was iconic, but it was a shit match.
BGXRebirth Animations it made a shit ton of money tho you gotta give it that
@@bgx3232 one of the match who drew the most money ok, one of the best crowd réaction ever, ok. Meltzer said that his rating system was also based on the crowd reaction. Meltzer is full of sh1t. He gave this match 0 or something like that. Hahhahahaha Meltzer is a joke
Of course it made money, any match they put on would have made money. They got money and crowd support because of the names involved, not the match. It doesn't make the match less shit.
@@goonercestlavie whether it made money or not has nothing to do with the match being good or not, and the match was trash
I think Dave knows that he can't let himself get too negative or cynical... (in other words, he can't become like Corny)... he knows his role is to report and analyse, but also to generally be optimistic and defend the product...
... I think he's aware that he degrades his own stock if he speaks the truth too much about how bad and stupid it's become. You can hear it in his voice that he's regularly holding back from being more critical.
you do get corny is a joke these days right
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 I get that many people consider him a washed-up joke, and perhaps he plays up his grumpy-old-man schtick because that works for him. But many also agree with much of what he says about modern wrestling (myself included).
@@dan7478 thing is i dont think many agree for real i think these people are going into aew rdy 2 hate it cause there shit idle tells them to you can tell the comments are all them just saying what he said like a hive mind its sad rly fake fans
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 So anyone who thinks differently than you actually secretly agrees with you, or doesn't exist. Got it.
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 Austin Idle was my favorite wrassler growin uhp
Dave has such a hard on for Japan that Olivier and The Young Bucks are the greatest thing since sliced bread by virtue of working for Japan.
People say Jim is a gimmick but then then think he'd really make soap out of kenny.. FICKLE
I have several friends that r trump supporters & they know I'm not. We get along fine. We don't talk about him bc I'll never change their minds & they'll never change mine.
But they're still morons who support a idiotic lunatic reality tv star who threatened the National Weather service because for telling people the weather.
@@quntface1518 which is exactly y we don't talk about him. I'm not giving up friends I've had for 15yrs+ over a 1 or even 2 term (God, I hope not🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏) president. Anyone that has, I'm certain well feel some regret in 5,6,7 yrs.
Jim, please stick to wrestling.
It's what makes you so great and it's why we are all here.
Please leave your politics out of it.
He can't he's gotten to the point where he's foaming at the mouth, completely obsessed with Trump and is on the verge of having a stroke because of him.
I hate both hypocritical political parties. However, I have friends from both sides of the spectrum. Can’t we just agree to disagree? My wife hates wrestling but I still love and except her
you're way too reasonable sir, you need to "take a stand, make a statement, align yourself" or whatever other slogan is that people of politcs use
I agree with everything than crapping on Warrior.
Is he still complaining about Marco Stunt?
Funny thing is Marco Stunt would likely whoop this baby boomer clowns ass.
Dave and Jim both have immense wresting knowledge but Dave has evolved in his taste in wrestling.
No, his taste devolved.
Meltzer is a parasite to the wrestling business.
@@sportsandnumbers lul what?
Save taste sucks
In my humble opinion, I think simply Dave probably still feels the same as he always has. Even if he agrees/Disagrees with what's going on he is just trying to stay relevant and into what today's fans are into. I think simply he is just trying to keep his business going.
"...Wet farts and diarrhea in your fucking ear." Jim always knows just how to put it. Hahahahaha
If you want to harm fan experience just inject politics into wrestling.
Try say anything negative on reddit about meltzer or AEW and you'll be crucified, it's just ridiculous.
>using Reddit in the first place
ding-dong diddly cringe
@@akeminakajima449 the only thing that's cringe is your taste in music ya goof.
@@TheTennesseeFistMachine >stalking me this hard
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And as much as I love Jim and respect him and wish he ran his own southern promotion to this day because I would gladly support him, I for the life of me don’t understand why Dave gets a pass for being the number one guy leading the charge when it comes to exposing the wrestling business. The Night of the curtain call, in front of the smartest fans in the world up there in the Northeast that were pro WWF and pro ECW, Everyone in MSG that night were chanting to Scott hall “ please don’t go” and “ you sold out” . Why? Because they were all smart fans and they knew that wrestling was a work and they already knew that Scott hall and Kevin Nash were leaving. Now that we’ve established that Madison Square Garden crowd we’re all smart fans and all knew he was leaving anyway let’s look at this. It was also a Health show. It wasn’t Monday night raw. In fact the only reason the rest of us knew what happened is because WWE themselves decided to play it on Monday night raw a year later. But for some reason Jim Marks them as the number one guys when it comes to exposing the business? This douche bag Dave has been telling everyone this is all bullshit for years now and Jim has given him a pass for 30 years and no one has done more to expose wrestling then douche bag Dave.
What is a "health show"?
The start of the change in opinion...