I think there are a couple paid actors in this episode including the guy who got pulled and maybe some other people who decided to fall back in their chairs at the end, the other people seem to be following the actors by being pressured. There’s really no way to explain the pull thing at 6:40 given that he can’t even see Darren
I can think of two: 1) The guy saw Derren in a reflection, there could be windows along the wall. 2) With his feet together, it was already harder for him to keep balance. Derren noticed when he was about to fall and timed his pulling motion accordingly.
@@sponsoredmessage201 you can easily keep balance with your feet together, i just tried it, also the fact he fell backwards perfectly wihtout stumbling to stay upright indicates hes practed this trust fall exercise before
@@ClashMagique it is harder to do it on stage when you are hypnotised and don't know what happens next (Derren could have hypnotised them before the performance starts)
This is actually the phenomena of "pleasing the doctor". The subject is compelled to become in synch with - and to please - their doctors, actually lying about their illness in order to downplay their suffering, in order to please the authority figure. I think I see that in this group. Much of stage work of this kind is similar, but with the added stressor of the audience, forcing him to comply with the authority figures instructions to a further degree. I've been in situations like this, and is VERY hard to suppress. I actually saw a journalist do it (suppress the instinct to comply) and not be at all affected by a bs secret energy "master" who could double over his students without actually physically touching them. But the journalist has such an amazing sense of personal honesty, that the "master" couldn't do shit. But the lesson here, I think, is that we allow ourselves to be victims. It's almost like a fight or flight thing, we certainly don't mean to do it. We (with normally functioning brains) want to please, particularly a person we consider "above" us. And while it is how we are "good" people, it is exactly our biggest liability! But we can practice controlling it. 'No one can make you feel inferior - without your consent.'
+mrfaithandphysics Spot on, i've seen other examples where they put a real person with bunch of paid actors and make them all sit in a doctors waiting room and pump smoke under the door. They told the paid actors to sit and do nothing regardless of what happens, the real person not acting in the waiting room doesn't want to move even though the room is filling with smoke and there's clearly danger because no one else seems to be bothered. You can pick up on some of the techniques used to verify Derren is legit if you've been around the block a few times and seen examples in life. I have no doubt he's legit, just exceptionally passionate about what he was doing and went really deep into it, far deeper than any of us have, and has come out incredibly talented at mind manipulation.
Jey Foray Yes, he is brilliant, but it is all just science. He put a focus on one aspect of one science, and got better than most. And while no respectable psychiatrist or psychologist would admit, it's learnable, but nothing they themselves would do; they are in the medical approach. Darren's approach is ... different. But exposes volumes about the human condition! He show it! My old HS English teacher always told me that to be a good writer, one had to _show_ it, in this case by descriptive words, rather than say it. Say "He walked across the room." and people will say, "Ugh-ugh!" and want to argue. But if you show them, by describing his room and what he is doing in the room, then they reach their own conclusions about him walking across it (which is what you might have just told them, straight up - though not very entertaining if one is reading a novel), they are not about to argue with themselves, so they accept it. He is a fantastic educator, just by being a showman.
+mrfaithandphysics It's true. We have primitive urges that make us inclined to submit to and follow a perceived authority figure. We also have a strong motivation to appear consistent to our peers. Critical thinking often eludes the gullible.
Jacob Burton I have. He had his own show on SciFy for a while, but I think they realized that it was going to give kids ideas - so they pulled it after about three episodes.
I’m really happy he tries to bring to light all the similarities between organized religion and brainwashing/hypnotism techniques, because it’s honestly terrifying.
What he did here was nothing like being born again in Christ . Being convinced that God exists is not the same as trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation. Even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19).
@@ronarprefect7709 How do you know what they feel? I'm sure to them they were just as convinced as you are..But they were wrong. The 'no true Scotsman' fallacy of yours is just that..a fallacy
Imagine if God sent him to touch the Atheists, changing their path while he’s an atheist himself. 🤯 I had an English literature teacher who was so good at covering religious texts that I had my mom take his class. He claimed to be an atheist. 😂
@ronarprefect7709 its amazing god wrote "Thou shalt not kill" as one of the 10 commandments, then wrote 200 hundred pages on why it's OK to stone people to death
+LasergunExtreme the only candidates that would ruin the economy are Clinton and Bernie, especially Bernie with the plan to raise taxes for free college
I'm an atheist, but I once watched a show written and performed by a guy who used to be an evangelical preacher and felt 'God' for a split second. I realised afterwards that it was just music, lighting and an emotionally charged story designed to put that feeling inside me but I was quite nervous and scared in the audience as I realised how easily one could be converted in an hour. I can see how a lifetime of listening to powerful speakers can make reality hard to suss out.
Ahuh, you're just a clump of matter? Or so you believed. Even of that were true (which it isn't), then there would be nothing wrong with believing in God as.. you're just a clump of matter anyway, right..? Peace be with you.
@@samcurtis6590 Matter, as in physical substance. Most atheists believe that life is nothing more than chemical interactions and happenstance. It wouldn't really make sense for anything to be here if there wasn't something that caused it to be here (God). God being Eternal means that He doesn't need a 'beginning' but we, as non-eternal beings... Clearly have some kind of origin (God). Even if you believe in the big bang - it had to come from something, from somewhere (or someone ;) )
@@cliftongaither6642 Incorrect. You clearly got ahead of yourself when making the comment, or don't understand what you're saying. Note: I said 'something/somewhere/someone'. I didn't state that it had to be God. I was being gentle. With you, I won't be so. All things are from Him, for Him, by Him and to Him. His name in English is Jesus The Christ. This is neither a point of debate nor a fallacy. This is simply a true statement. A fact. You are not forced to believe it. But, all will be. Every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus The Christ is Lord, to the glory of God The Father. There is nothing hidden that won't be revealed. Even the depths of your own heart. But, it isn't too late for you quite yet. You could repent and turn to Him, for that is why He died - for the sins of mankind to reconcile them back to God. Peace be with you.
There's a lot of comments on here claiming that it's all rehearsed or actors. Derren has never used stooges in the past and he has no reason to put his career at risk by doing so. Furthermore the performances are very convincing: if they _were_ actors someone would have exposed him by now, they would all have profiles on imdb. I have several theories on how this was done, but I don't want to spoil it. All I can say is that's it's very clever and that Derren is extraordinarily talented.
"Derren has never used stooges in the past" Yeah no. He has multiple times (claimed to have) done things that go past the scope of what hypnosis actually can do, like the time a person supposedly stayed hypnotised for a full international flight and reawoke abroad.
Derren's videos are amazing. I can't help but feel doubt, like clearly so many others do, that this is all just rehearsed and they're paid actors - but he's very open about things generally and he doesn't claim to be magical or psychic. He's very clear about it being a trick. He has also been shown to fail sometimes, which further increases his credibility with me. He even has been on talk shows and performed mind tricks, so I don't know. I lean towards it being real and him just being a very skilled mentalist, but there's always the possibility that it's an act.
+Keyshell it's real, this is all hypnosis here, covert, but it's hypnosis. He's literally doing magic with their mind to do these things, making them think what he wants them to think. Watch his stage shows, and he does exactly the same. All you need to do is frame it as a conversion, religious experience and wham you get the result. The basics are all the same, but it's the presentation that matters.
+Keyshell Yeah what adds credibility to me is how (in his TV specials) he explains in extreme detail the psychology that was used. I've seen a lot of comments about it being mysticism and fake magic, but if it's repeatable and he explains everything, I don't know..
+Keyshell I can confirm that in his live shows, in a 1200 capacity theatre he does have 40-60 shills in the audience (confirmed by the box office in the theatre I used to work at). I can't comment on this video however.
+Keyshell there was a lot that was left out... think about it. he placed an ad in the paper which we didn't get a chance to read or see. and this video is only 11 minutes of an entire evening and the whatever might have happened in the period of time leading up to that point.
people are so incredibly deprived of real love, that a simple, innocent, and genuinely comforting touch can instantly pull them out of their protective shell, open their hearts, and instill absolute trust. the world is crying, and nobody can hear it. this manipulation is so incredibly easy because of how desperate everybody is, for a hero to save them from their pain.
They are most likely very weak atheists who probably have not done a whole load of research on the matter or do not have any coherent arguments to support their atheism. But I see where your point comes from as well.
I mean the fact alone that skeptics are voluntarily going to a spiritual sermon of sorts speaks volumes as to the inner conflicts they probably feel about the subject, making them highly receptive to the kind of (I'm assuming) social pressure Derren places on them.
if you're not looking for a reason to believe, then you've already made up your mind that there is no reason to believe. and that in itself is a belief. and if you're at that point where you're clinging to your non-belief that hard, then you're no longer being rational :P
Nothing beats having an encounter with Jesus. After having one, you'll never be the same and you will do everything to follow that man with the most piercing eyes of love and grace.
Derren tells the guy he is going to catch him before he starts his thing, then tells him he wont tell him what he's going to do. Genius level suggestion.
It's annoying that every Derren Brown video is filled with people who cry "fake" with absolutely no reasoning or logic other than it just looks impossible to accomplish without faking or having actors. Sometimes when something looks unbelievably impressive, it's because it just is. Your brain's response is to reject what it thinks can't be true, but that's not a good basis for discrediting someone and calling them a fake just because you think so. Have something to back up your claims.
kiwisoup some of the people are to afraid to admit because it would hurt their pride as an atheist...of course they afraid...because atheist always protected themselved that rationally that there are no forced and forced or doesn't exist....
If I was asked if I believed this I would lean toward disbelief because my bias because he said they were Atheists but the correct answer should be I don't know. He was controlling our thoughts and biases. He is a good Mentalist. If he had said they are Muslims instead of saying Atheists and was going to change them to Hindus we both would have said I don't know if it's real or not, or I don't care.
When I was a kid my mother got into spiritualism, so I went to a few spiritualist churches where stuff like this was done. The only feeling I had was a growing sense of complete bullshit. And that was when I was at an age where I was actually pretty open to that sort of thing. Guess they weren't as good as Derren. I would absolutely love to have him try some of his tricks on me. My arrogance tells me I wouldn't be susceptible... my reason tells me that I shouldn't be so arrogant :P I find it almost unbelievable that Derren was a Christian until his 20s. As a kid? Sure. Up to his teenage years? Maybe. But 20s? I would have thought that by then either his strong rational mind would have shaken him out of it, or it would have been so dulled that such a total deconversion would have been impossible. Not denying its truth, it's just surprising. Also... half the group walked out!? What kind of skeptics and atheists are they? If I'd just seen someone apparently converted like that, man, I'd be aching to find out what was going on.
+Buffoon1980 "I would have thought that by then either his strong rational mind would have shaken him out of it"... Well, it just goes to show, no matter how smart or rational you may be, once those neural pathways get burnt in, becomes a damn near impossible task breaking out of them. I for one made it out of Christianity just by the skin of my teeth, and now at 33, cannot believe I could have ever been so stupid in my twenties!
@@isaacdanso1036 I would be interested in reading about your experiences concerning this--what you believed at the beginning, your experiences of being born again, your experience of losing faith. The bible seems to say that those who leave the faith never really had the faith(I John 2:19). I have a theory about how people go out of the church and wish to see if your experience seems to confirm my theory or deny it. Of course, it is up to you whether you communicate this or not.
@@ronarprefect7709 Hello friend, Apologies for the delay in responding to your comment… In answer to your question, well, looking back, it’s clear to me that I simply believed as I was conditioned to. That is to say, I had very little choice, chance or opportunity to truly consider the veracity of the Christian theology, since it had been inculcated long before I had reached the age of reason; the very tools I was using to make value judgments regarding religious/spiritual matters were themselves built upon Christian axioms. It’s like trying to study your own eye; you need a point of reference or at least some tools apart from the eye itself, otherwise the “judge” and the “prosecutor” become the the same person (so to speak). At any rate, I went through my adolescence never ever having experienced anything such as the “presence of God” or a “filling of the Holy Spirit” or anything else you could call a supernatural encounter or miraculous, so that was obviously an issue, especially as virtually all friends & family around me at the time were constantly professing to be experiencing the supernatural in one form or another - indeed, they were even casual about it; hearing from the Lord was a dime a dozen, whilst I’d sit back wondering whether or not these individuals ever took a single moment to really consider the colossal implications of the actual creator of the universe speaking to them and worse, them coming back to report to their fellow believers nothing of any real consequence. Clearly they were deluded - of this I was certain, but not before suffering a severe bout of anxiety related to my crazy, self-generated notion that I was somehow lacking a soul - that I was simply passed over at the point of conception when surely the archangel must dispatch the soul and insert it into the new creation. As to how I wound up ultimately losing my faith, there were many reasons that led up to it - more than I care to list here, but I’ll give you one foundational reason because I believe it cuts at the root of Christian theology, and aptly starts right at the beginning: in the book of Genesis, it says God made man in his image, after his likeness. However, it’s only after the snake convinces Eve to eat the forbidden fruit that they become like God (see Gen 3:22), confirming the truth of what the snake proposed as the real reason for why God didn’t want them eating from that tree. Moreover, their eyes are then opened, yet again proving the words of the snake to be true. But here’s the real kicker: God expels them from the garden “lest they eat from the tree of life and live forever.” Meaning, they were created mortal. I’m going to presume you’re a believer and that you may disagree with this point. If so, what purpose does the tree of life serve otherwise, if not only to bestow eternal life upon mortal beings. If instead you consider my appraisal of the text to be sound, then you can understand the problem this poses for the idea of Christ coming to redeem man back to his supposed original state of grace/ immortality. Him conquering death at Calvary becomes a redundant concept. Does any of the above coincide with your particular theory? I’m genuinely interested to know your theory and also your thoughts on my point of view. Thanks
@@isaacdanso1036he redeeming is coming back to Grace. Man being created mortal doesn't contradict that. Though, I don't believe it says that man wasn't earing of the tree of Life - they could eat of all the trees so, including that one - no? It was only after eating the forbidden fruit that they were separated from the tree of life and immortality. There are a lot of hypocrites out there but please do not let that lead you to believing in lies.
Aside from whatever magic trick you think is happening here, the fact that there wasn't even a slight reaction from the crowd when that guy dropped is very telling.
Been a follow of Derren for a long time. His stuff always amazes and last year I was fortunate enough to have caught his live show in the UK. Listen to his audio books, he explains a lot of what he does. If one studied as he did, it would seem like magic and rustle those who are weak willed/minded. Understand that there would be a LOT that would have happened in the background to make such things happen. For example, his event where one person guessed the a winning horse 3 times in a row. Truly amazing odds but in reality, he actually went to the extreme to go through the odds then the film part only showed the winning person, making it seem like he knew she would pick all 3 winning horses. He is a master at his craft and the saying that 'any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic' is utterly true for this genius.
I've seen a room full of people experience this same thing before. I was in college. We were learning about the history of dance and began to talk about superstitions. After about a 5 minute interactive discussion, somebody sneezed. Usually, 1 or 2 people would comment, "bless you"... However, the entire room said it at the same time. I could never forget that moment, everybody was weirded out and shocked at what just happened. I was the only one in the room who knew the phenomena that had taken place. :)
He's got them thinking about deep things and then he gets in their head: hypnosis. And doesn't standing with your feet together and locking your knees cause you to faint?
@@emmaswain3084 yeah but then he pulls you and controls your mind while your eyes are shut and controls which direction you think and then your equilibrium is off balance and he says and really feel it now just moving into you. so its going to feel like youre falling back. HEs a master at what he does but he has no proof of the lord himself being artificial. There is a good and evil spiritual war going on this very moment in the world. God said have blind faith and god himself doesnt care about us individually Jesus died for our sins and he is the key to heaven god is the judge. ?We arent played like a game of chess we ARE given free will everyone isnt meant to live and we cant control what anotehr individual does. God knows that, he gave us the gift of life and this life is a experience and mankind got us to where we stand today not God, So if everyone realized that the ppower of good out weighs evil and bad then the world would be a better place.\
Excellent video (in fact, this whole programme was generally good). Derren isn't the only person doing this sort of thing, but he is one of the best. I've seen a speaker (who is psychologist who debunks conversion experiences) do this without even coming close to the volunteer. Every time he gives that talk, it ends the same. He knows that there will be people who *want* to see magic, want to see 'the Holy Spirit' do something magical and have come to the lecture as naysayers. He builds them up throughout the talk (giving examples of 'the power', yet claiming it is non existent). He can see the body language in the audience and then finally he lowers his voice, calls someone forward (based on their behaviour and body language), shout 'by the power of Jesus' and-bam!-they hit the floor every time. Just like Derren, it's trick; but in these cases we, the audience, know it is a trick. It's important to share this with evangelical Christians (and other faiths, too) who believe that these phenomena are magic.
You've confused what someone like Benny Hinn does with real Christianity. This has caused you to think that Derren Brown is showing that Christianity is a sham. He didn't convert anyone in this video. True conversion is being born again. Merely coming to believe God exists is insufficient for salvation. Even demons believe that and tremble.
The world needs more Derren Browns. It’s always a pleasure to see how skilled you use simple hypnotic tools to produce this kind of feelings in your fellow human, or should I say “victims”? I thought I found the most of the tools you used right from first viewing the video. But when I saw it the second time, I realized, there are still more tools to discover and to add to my own toolbox. Thank You for all your work “in the name of science” to show and reveal the possible tools “preachers” use, simply to make money. I cannot emphasize enough that the world needs more Derren Browns.
Allow me to ask a clarifying question: Do you believe both that we all are merely physical matter and destined to become nothing more than worm food(materialism--no life after death) and also believe that one should prefer a world in which more Derren Browns exist--that such a world would be objectively better?
@@ronarprefect7709 It's not a question of what anyone prefers. It's a question of what is. A question of truth. And the truth of the matter is that there is no afterlife. Death is the end. Anything to the contrary is the epitome of wishful thinking. This means that THIS life is the one that counts, because there is no other. Make the best of it, because it's the only chance you have.
@@cufflink44 I can't see my remark because youtube has hidden it, but I know myself well enough to know I said nothing in support of the notion that preference trumps or decides truth. You make statements but provide no proof.
I'm not sure I can say that this isn't fake, but I have had similar experiences in churches, before. In fact, I was one of those people who went up on stage during a righteous ceremony when I was around 7. The priest would put a touch of oil on your forehead and would "speak in tongues." I fell backwards and went unconscious for just a moment, but I don't know if I believe in it. I'm autistic, and that sort of experience gave me huge anxiety, and I'm not really surprised I would faint from all that attention on me. I don't like when people touch me. I do still believe in God, but not like other people seem to. I don't think God directly touches anything here on Earth, but merely institutionalized the rules and possibilities. Whoever designed and instigated this realm would be God.
Well Darren has a clip for you. Search when he made a diver in to a preacher. He did the same "faint" trick. The diver who had no experience in being religious even
I became a Christian with a lack of crowds studying Christianity and doctrine online in my small studio apartment when I was 19..........how is "crowd" mentality or "laying of hands" responsible for my conversion?
I always thought this was one of the most interesting Derren Brown videos. Not just because he did some amazing religious feats, but because the fact that so many people left and the fact that clearly the night went on with a lot of drama and the producers were clearly concerned and Derren still showed what happened. This is a strong piece of evidence for me that makes me believe it's not faked.
+connor sloan Derren and the production team are very smart and talented. If he is able to get by without using actors (which he most certainly is) it is much easier and better for the programme if actors are not used
The trick is to open your mind to truth; that is opening the door that so many of us close off to spirituality. We hear what we want to hear and see only that we want to see. Open the door to God and close the door to the world and you will have real true faith. Every man even the most learned self professed atheist knows God is real in the depths of his innermost spirit. Most of us become very adept at shutting our minds off to this knowledge which creates a 'state' of atheism. When you are truly born again and believe in God and the Son He sent to die to save us, then we open the shut door and become one in spirit with something vast, something beyond our earthly self. When you taste that, there is no deconversion even the most satanic mind controller can exert for the true believer now is a child of God and demons flee in the name of their Lord. This is only true of born again believers. Alas, many say they truly believe but they never truly want to follow and hear the master. They want to have both worlds, the earthly and the spiritual and are caught between worlds never truly being reborn in spirit. These fall away, stay sinful or are prey to snake tongued mesmerists.
The mind is such a powerful thing. You can feel a warmth and sense of comfort from plain meditation, and if you let your mind believe that that feeling is not coming from yourself, but some higher power, you can absolutely convince yourself of these things.
My mom is very religious and there were occasions where those people would come to our church and do things like that and he would do it to multiple people and she always wanted to feel "God's presence" or whatever so she would always go up for it, anyways while everyone were falling she was always the one standing and I remember one time she was telling me, "I don't know why I never collapse, maybe I just have a really strong will," or something along those lines, anyways it's always made wonder if they were just using psychological hypnosis to make those people fall back and my mom was just strong willed or just doesn't fall for hypnosis
I think it would of been great after doing the mass conversion: "Do you believe in God?" ""Yes" "Do you?" "Yes" Etc etc "Yeah well I don't" And just walked out lol
I've literally heard the voice of God.. Or Jesus or something.. And so did the two others that were in the emergency room with me. I'll never forget it.
Countless people, of all faiths (or lack thereof), have had experiences where they were clinically dead, and they would meet their guardian angel, or some Jesus Christ Himself, and then were sent back to their bodies. One man had been dead for 36 hours and came back to his body, after being attacked by demons, praying for help from God, and for the Theotokos (Mother Mary) to pray for him, and was told to return to his body. He came back and lived a devout, Orthodox life after that. There is a God. In the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.
@@ssbmgreenp3pper653 People have varying experiences. If you look up near death experiences, how comes the experience you have is often correlated to the belief you have? Easy answer They are altered states of consciousness, and happen in the brain. Schizophrenics have mental disorders that often leave them to have vivid hallucinations and delusions, does that mean their experience is TRUE? Or does it mean the brain is capable of creating vivid experiences of things and influencing us, not the fact that there is evidence of anything supernatural. The brain is capable of many things
Not being weird but I love how Derren allways wears a suit. Most people in his position I imagine would just wear casual clothes. But I think it makes him actually more mysterious
I dont really understand what Derren is trying to enforce as a conclusion to this. In the beginning he states that he will be trying to falesly convert people using only psychological techniques and a bit of hand waving, but the man seemingly collapsing when Derren pulls at the air is not, and cannot be, considered a psychological technique. The man is facing away from him and cannot see his hand motions. So the only two possible conclusions that we can draw from this is, A.) These people are paid actors or, more unsettlingly B.) Derren Brown is himself expressing a form of supernatural power. Both of which raise more questions and neither of which shed light on the subject of evangelical Christian conversion.
Its not "rehearsed". He uses psychological manipulation throughout the video to do this. Like when he said "apart from the people I just spoke to, who believes in god". The people that he just spoke to was the group insinuating that they all believe in god. He repeated the phase twice as well to help embed it into their minds. Then he used a technique called pacing and leading which put them in a light trans. So in summary, its not rehearsed, he uses hypnotic and psychological techniques to pull off this phenomenon.
Some Christians think that if you say "energy" your religious argument is scientifically backed up. Because religion and science working together? No-one ever thought of that before!
He made them all stand up and close their eyes at the end AFTER he gave examples in front of everyone. To sow that bit of doubt. People like to be led and people will usually follow the group that's why they didn't all fall at the same time, Derren was confident that somebody in the group would fall and it would be a domino effect. Thats the power of persuasion. A strong confident leader and group mentality is all it takes to practically hypnotize a whole group of people, you better believe its real that's the basis of all religions and sects, Derren knows how its done.
If you think about it this is possible. Even if this is staged, it is very possible to do for real. He didn't do anything that can't be done, it's top notch emotional manipulation and people attribute those feelings with God *on their own*.
Although he is hinting that belief in God is foolish, I think this video says a lot more about how stubborn us humans can be with our beliefs, and the power of hypnosis to enable us to see things differently. Who doesn't want to feel an inner hug??!!
Why didn't you show when you pre-conditioned them? It would make much more sense to everyone if you did. Also, to anyone that doesn't know; he hypnotized them. When he says "be honest" it doesn't mean anything. You can lie under hypnosis easily. He's doing stage hypnosis that's it. These people will go home and revert back to their original way of thinking. This is so misleading. I don't understand why he didn't just explain the process lol
+The GamingDuke (TheDuke) he doesn't have a sad soul you do for believing a old bearded man living in the clouds made everything with nothing "oh it just happened!"
@@thomasochs7020 Oh my goodness. You gave me such a laugh. My husband's autocorrect constantly does that. The number of times he sent me emails from work - and I've been reduced to tears of laughter because of what autocorrect has done. I do hope those Swedish Indians aren't too insulted by this.
i think what happened was when he said 'put ur legs together'. it throws off ur balance and after a while u begin to lose it. he just has to keep talking for some time and eventually they'll fall. it might be harder with people with really good balance idk. and also because he doesn't tell them to move their feet a part, they don;t (it's not part of the 'experience' they MUST keep their feet together) so they fall over
2:00 If that man had any integrity, he *would* just immediately get to the point. Befriending people, earning their trust, just so he can then jump in and try to convert them has to be one of the most underhanded things I've ever heard.
There was something telling perhaps about how the woman at 3:30 kept repeating the phrase "you know" when outlining her beliefs, possibly that's an indication of being in a vulnerable, insecure or suggestible state.
+Callum Hand Jesus Christ man you don't know the effect peer pressure has on people. This shit is real I've seen similar stuff done in churches (I don't believe this is spiritual) but rather just people giving in to pressure within the environment
+Callum Hand He wasnt an actor. Darren is a magician that specialises in suggestion, if you know what to look for you can see him doing it. he says 'Im not going to tell you whatnim going to do" tho just before that he says "I'm going to be back here to catch you" hes implanted the idea of the expected response which is to fall in his direction.
Of course there's a "god", but not a human god where all the little humans go to when they pass sadly. I think whatever elements that specifically made us was unconscious..... as in the unconscious space created the conscious being to "have a look around" or explore itself and did so out of need like how maybe the 1st tree just knew to grow somehow, it took the elements around it and formed, that's how I think the consciousness was created too. but if you put that aside and say well whats made the space? and what made that etc etc, you will eventually get to something of a higher power that consciously created everything in the space, created the space etc etc , what that is I have no idea.
You really think some guy just appeared out of nowhere and created everything from literally nothing? and then you're gonna put all your trust into something you barely know about because you're so afraid that there might not be someone. Wake up
Darren is exceptionally clever and has a deep working knowledge of psychology and human behavior which he is able to exploit in carefully controlled environments. I'm not certain of which specific tricks he uses here, but there is certainly a trick to it. Here's an example of one way he could have pulled it off. He gets enough people together to a have a diverse group of minds among which are a handful of agnostic leaning fence sitters. He talks for long enough and in such a way as to push away the true skeptics... Those that are not so easy to manipulate. What you're left with is a room full of people who appear to be skeptical atheists but in fact are pliable, uncertain, agnostics. This will give a lot more weight to their supposed conversion if it happens and justify a lack of conversion if it doesn't. The stage is set Now you have a key person on the inside... Hes absolutely in on the trick. He describes himself just as you would expect an atheist to, even using the logical argument you often hear from Dawkins and Harris. Using him as the model for conversion, Darren talks him through his spiritual exercise, which of course goes exactly according to plan because it was rehearsed to go according to plan. So now what you have is a group of people who were already malleable but who identified with the staunch atheist that they just watched convert to theism and the empathy part of their brain starts lighting the fuck up. "holy shit! That could be me. What if that's me! Oh my God, was grandma right all along???" Finally, when he repeats the exercise he does it with the herd. And when you do something as a herd you sure as well don't want to be the only one left not doing the herd thing. So you do, and you feel, and you profess what the herd does and feels and professes. Otherwise, you're the only broken bulb in the box of pretty Christmas lights. That's just one theory, but there ya go
I find missionaries somewhat evil. People that help them are saints, but whenever I see Christian's prying on poor immigrants that seek help. Converting them I feel resentment.
That;'s not how it works. We go and spend months over with them. Building schools, and houses, hospitals ect. We don't just go over there and try to convert peopole. But as christian we do talk with them about it
Love all the commenters here who don't actually understand what Derren Brown is or what he does. "This is fake!" - No shit, Sherlock; he's a magician! XD
iirc he doesnt call himself a magician hes a mentalist, he plays with ppls minds and emotions to produce psychological reactions, which is how he can apparently get ppl to think and believe certain ways
C D Hanks derren brown actually does quite the opposite. He specifically mentions that his 'tricks' are fake, thats his act. He's debunking genuine charlatans by telling and showing you how mind tricks can work
so many people are unfamiliar with the emotional feelings that people can get from religious belief... this makes them vulnerable to religious conversion.... I encourage everyone to try lsd because it brings a lot of these intense emotional feelings. understanding this can keep you from being manipulated.
The Holy Spirit fills you with way more than a temporary feeling of satisfaction, it is spiritual and it goes further than simple human logic because there is none lol. I don’t think that you can really understand except if you live it. It’s more than just a feeling, trust me :)
Here's my problem with this. In the first Messiah video, where he messes with psychics, the description says that this series is to "cast doubt on dubious belief systems." My beef is that this video casts no doubt truly on Christianity, because he could have done this with anything. Think about it: Darren could have sat people down and said a purple chicken ruled the world, and they would have been just as doubtful as these ones were about God. With the same psychological tactics he could make them believe in and worship the purple chicken. And for him to say the New Testament put the last nail in his faith's coffin makes no sense; it is a historical document, and it would reinforce a person's faith. Darren, hopefully you will see the light. I am not rejecting who you are. Psychology and magic tricks can very easily exist along side faith. Anyone who wants to argue with me, fine, do it.
Anyone with a modicum of skepticism will be able to not only see, but explain exactly what he did. There is no way this would work on me, or my significant other.
for all of those people who are screaming 'fake' = Derren Brown has never claimed to be anything other than a trickster - he is very good at reading people and very charismatic - he is always saying that there a people his techniques do not work on - people want to believe - it is in our psyche from the beginning of time
The last time you were in a room and a dude fell back due to a religious conversion touch, did you react? And if you've never been in that situation before, then how on earth would you know how anyone would react? Only by following the bias you were looking to confirm in the first place, most likely... which is a great example of how this actually does work, no staging necessary.
+Emil Gravier omfg I cant believe it this is my first time seeing a conversation with over 50% participaters who arent religious O.o usually I see like 90% of the people trying to (stupidly) defend the believers xD
I remember once attending a "business seminar" which turned out to be a hocus pocus "spiritual" rant. It was attended by bankers, accountants and business people. After about an hour of twiddle-twaddle nonsense the speaker had everyone - about thirty people - stroking each others 'aura' and flicking their negative energy from them. I was furious because I had been conned out of $200. I demanded a refund and I was ordered out of the room. I refused to go. I wasn't going to leave until they paid me $200 in cash. They threatened to call the police and I told them to go right ahead. In the end, I got my money and I left. That afternoon taught me a lesson, summed up by anti guru, guru - J. Krishnamurti - "The mind gives meaning to anything, but the meaning it gives is meaningless."
People cannot be converted without surrendering and believing in Jesus Christ. Not just "something". They have to believe the gospel not some random feeling. The Holy Spirit leads people to repentance and faith.
The explanaition to this mysterius pull technique is simple.
Derran is a jedi.
kevin jepsen YODA BROWN
I think there are a couple paid actors in this episode including the guy who got pulled and maybe some other people who decided to fall back in their chairs at the end, the other people seem to be following the actors by being pressured. There’s really no way to explain the pull thing at 6:40 given that he can’t even see Darren
I can think of two: 1) The guy saw Derren in a reflection, there could be windows along the wall. 2) With his feet together, it was already harder for him to keep balance. Derren noticed when he was about to fall and timed his pulling motion accordingly.
@@sponsoredmessage201 you can easily keep balance with your feet together, i just tried it, also the fact he fell backwards perfectly wihtout stumbling to stay upright indicates hes practed this trust fall exercise before
@@ClashMagique it is harder to do it on stage when you are hypnotised and don't know what happens next (Derren could have hypnotised them before the performance starts)
Just in case you didn't know, Derren Brown is a noted atheist and highly intelligent guy, hypnosis and psychology is his thing
Paloma San Basilio he died
Uhh, you sure about that? He's got a 2020 tour planned and his most recent tweet is from 3 hours ago...he seems pretty alive to me
George Robert atheist and highly intelligent? It’s that an oxymoron?
Christian and bullheadedly arrogant? Isn't that...actually, no, I'm not at all surprised
@@randont Yup all the major Scientists are irreligious/agnostic/atheist
This is actually the phenomena of "pleasing the doctor". The subject is compelled to become in synch with - and to please - their doctors, actually lying about their illness in order to downplay their suffering, in order to please the authority figure. I think I see that in this group. Much of stage work of this kind is similar, but with the added stressor of the audience, forcing him to comply with the authority figures instructions to a further degree. I've been in situations like this, and is VERY hard to suppress. I actually saw a journalist do it (suppress the instinct to comply) and not be at all affected by a bs secret energy "master" who could double over his students without actually physically touching them. But the journalist has such an amazing sense of personal honesty, that the "master" couldn't do shit. But the lesson here, I think, is that we allow ourselves to be victims. It's almost like a fight or flight thing, we certainly don't mean to do it. We (with normally functioning brains) want to please, particularly a person we consider "above" us. And while it is how we are "good" people, it is exactly our biggest liability! But we can practice controlling it.
'No one can make you feel inferior - without your consent.'
+mrfaithandphysics Spot on, i've seen other examples where they put a real person with bunch of paid actors and make them all sit in a doctors waiting room and pump smoke under the door. They told the paid actors to sit and do nothing regardless of what happens, the real person not acting in the waiting room doesn't want to move even though the room is filling with smoke and there's clearly danger because no one else seems to be bothered. You can pick up on some of the techniques used to verify Derren is legit if you've been around the block a few times and seen examples in life. I have no doubt he's legit, just exceptionally passionate about what he was doing and went really deep into it, far deeper than any of us have, and has come out incredibly talented at mind manipulation.
Jey Foray Yes, he is brilliant, but it is all just science. He put a focus on one aspect of one science, and got better than most. And while no respectable psychiatrist or psychologist would admit, it's learnable, but nothing they themselves would do; they are in the medical approach. Darren's approach is ... different. But exposes volumes about the human condition! He show it! My old HS English teacher always told me that to be a good writer, one had to _show_ it, in this case by descriptive words, rather than say it. Say "He walked across the room." and people will say, "Ugh-ugh!" and want to argue. But if you show them, by describing his room and what he is doing in the room, then they reach their own conclusions about him walking across it (which is what you might have just told them, straight up - though not very entertaining if one is reading a novel), they are not about to argue with themselves, so they accept it. He is a fantastic educator, just by being a showman.
+mrfaithandphysics
It's true. We have primitive urges that make us inclined to submit to and follow a perceived authority figure. We also have a strong motivation to appear consistent to our peers.
Critical thinking often eludes the gullible.
Look at the rest of this guy's videos. He does some ridiculously whack stuff to people's subconscious.
Jacob Burton I have. He had his own show on SciFy for a while, but I think they realized that it was going to give kids ideas - so they pulled it after about three episodes.
I died laughing "all of these people were de-converted after filming"
Wtf how can you de convert the supposed belief that there was something in the room filling your insides with Darren lmao 😂 that’s funny shit
They were never converted to begin with. Even demons believe in God and tremble. Believing God exists is NOT being born again.
@@ronarprefect7709How do you know this?
same, hillarious 🤣
You died? So you have risen again just to comment on youtube?
I’m really happy he tries to bring to light all the similarities between organized religion and brainwashing/hypnotism techniques, because it’s honestly terrifying.
What he did here was nothing like being born again in Christ . Being convinced that God exists is not the same as trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation. Even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19).
@@ronarprefect7709 How do you know what they feel? I'm sure to them they were just as convinced as you are..But they were wrong. The 'no true Scotsman' fallacy of yours is just that..a fallacy
Imagine if God sent him to touch the Atheists, changing their path while he’s an atheist himself. 🤯 I had an English literature teacher who was so good at covering religious texts that I had my mom take his class. He claimed to be an atheist. 😂
@ronarprefect7709 its amazing god wrote "Thou shalt not kill" as one of the 10 commandments, then wrote 200 hundred pages on why it's OK to stone people to death
Wonder if Darren can convert someone's political allegiance ?
do it with trump
+SFODorDEVGRU ? Trump is neither left nor right but I'm right all right :-)
If Trump becomes President the USA will be seen as a joke
+Benny T. Valley The USA is seen as a joke. Trump will make us respected
+LasergunExtreme the only candidates that would ruin the economy are Clinton and Bernie, especially Bernie with the plan to raise taxes for free college
I'm an atheist, but I once watched a show written and performed by a guy who used to be an evangelical preacher and felt 'God' for a split second. I realised afterwards that it was just music, lighting and an emotionally charged story designed to put that feeling inside me but I was quite nervous and scared in the audience as I realised how easily one could be converted in an hour. I can see how a lifetime of listening to powerful speakers can make reality hard to suss out.
Ahuh, you're just a clump of matter? Or so you believed. Even of that were true (which it isn't), then there would be nothing wrong with believing in God as.. you're just a clump of matter anyway, right..? Peace be with you.
@@JohnCephasWhat do you mean by "a clump of matter"?
@@samcurtis6590 Matter, as in physical substance. Most atheists believe that life is nothing more than chemical interactions and happenstance.
It wouldn't really make sense for anything to be here if there wasn't something that caused it to be here (God). God being Eternal means that He doesn't need a 'beginning' but we, as non-eternal beings... Clearly have some kind of origin (God).
Even if you believe in the big bang - it had to come from something, from somewhere (or someone ;) )
@@JohnCephasah, god of the gaps fallacy.
@@cliftongaither6642 Incorrect. You clearly got ahead of yourself when making the comment, or don't understand what you're saying.
Note: I said 'something/somewhere/someone'. I didn't state that it had to be God.
I was being gentle.
With you, I won't be so. All things are from Him, for Him, by Him and to Him. His name in English is Jesus The Christ.
This is neither a point of debate nor a fallacy. This is simply a true statement. A fact. You are not forced to believe it. But, all will be. Every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus The Christ is Lord, to the glory of God The Father. There is nothing hidden that won't be revealed. Even the depths of your own heart. But, it isn't too late for you quite yet. You could repent and turn to Him, for that is why He died - for the sins of mankind to reconcile them back to God. Peace be with you.
There's a lot of comments on here claiming that it's all rehearsed or actors. Derren has never used stooges in the past and he has no reason to put his career at risk by doing so. Furthermore the performances are very convincing: if they _were_ actors someone would have exposed him by now, they would all have profiles on imdb.
I have several theories on how this was done, but I don't want to spoil it. All I can say is that's it's very clever and that Derren is extraordinarily talented.
I like derren brown and dont think he uses actors but im nto sure how you would know this for sure
What career. He does what he accuses others of for money
"Derren has never used stooges in the past"
Yeah no. He has multiple times (claimed to have) done things that go past the scope of what hypnosis actually can do, like the time a person supposedly stayed hypnotised for a full international flight and reawoke abroad.
The comments on every Derren Brown video are so laughable. It's like no one actually understands who he is and what he actually does.
Derren's videos are amazing. I can't help but feel doubt, like clearly so many others do, that this is all just rehearsed and they're paid actors - but he's very open about things generally and he doesn't claim to be magical or psychic. He's very clear about it being a trick. He has also been shown to fail sometimes, which further increases his credibility with me. He even has been on talk shows and performed mind tricks, so I don't know. I lean towards it being real and him just being a very skilled mentalist, but there's always the possibility that it's an act.
+Keyshell it's real, this is all hypnosis here, covert, but it's hypnosis. He's literally doing magic with their mind to do these things, making them think what he wants them to think. Watch his stage shows, and he does exactly the same. All you need to do is frame it as a conversion, religious experience and wham you get the result. The basics are all the same, but it's the presentation that matters.
+Keyshell Yeah what adds credibility to me is how (in his TV specials) he explains in extreme detail the psychology that was used. I've seen a lot of comments about it being mysticism and fake magic, but if it's repeatable and he explains everything, I don't know..
+Keyshell
I can confirm that in his live shows, in a 1200 capacity theatre he does have 40-60 shills in the audience (confirmed by the box office in the theatre I used to work at). I can't comment on this video however.
+Keyshell there was a lot that was left out... think about it. he placed an ad in the paper which we didn't get a chance to read or see. and this video is only 11 minutes of an entire evening and the whatever might have happened in the period of time leading up to that point.
+Keyshell i'd also suggest looking into some of the experiments that were conducted by stanley milgram.
I have an inner hug. Its called cocaine
+tayorous Me too but I stick with Dank Weed.
Have you met our savior crack cocaine?
tayorous mine is hentai
haterology mine is porn
More like an "inner strangler".
people are so incredibly deprived of real love, that a simple, innocent, and genuinely comforting touch can instantly pull them out of their protective shell, open their hearts, and instill absolute trust.
the world is crying, and nobody can hear it. this manipulation is so incredibly easy because of how desperate everybody is, for a hero to save them from their pain.
So, what is your point exactly?
Zaephou that people are deprived of real love, which makes this extremely easy.
They are most likely very weak atheists who probably have not done a whole load of research on the matter or do not have any coherent arguments to support their atheism. But I see where your point comes from as well.
Zaephou are you a Christian?
Atheist
The thing is, those people wouldn't have gone to that talk if they weren't, on some level, looking for an excuse to beleif.
good point
And that's where hypnosis comes into play. Simples!
I mean the fact alone that skeptics are voluntarily going to a spiritual sermon of sorts speaks volumes as to the inner conflicts they probably feel about the subject, making them highly receptive to the kind of (I'm assuming) social pressure Derren places on them.
Yes, they were at least 'on the fence' in that regard, otherwise why go?
if you're not looking for a reason to believe, then you've already made up your mind that there is no reason to believe. and that in itself is a belief. and if you're at that point where you're clinging to your non-belief that hard, then you're no longer being rational :P
"Do you believe in god now?"
"Yes I believe in Satan."
Lel
You believe in satan?
+Hasse Mephisto Derren Brown is a demon magician, demons do all his mentalism.
+Xendrius Wtf no^. Understand biblically what demons were even described as. Ugh.
Devoti I do believe in demons. Honestly it is a much more liberal view of them than what other conservative Christians claim to hold to.
He is such a beast, his understanding of psychology is amazing.
Seriously, why they film with a potato quality?
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I don't understand your comment, m8. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+Fister24 these videos are old and were filmed around 2004-2007
+JB Markowicz You're fucking stupid. I can record a video in 800x600 and upload it in a 1920x1080 format. -_-
+Bartikus321 and it will still only have 800x600 image resolution... Can't get more detail than you start with.
Nothing beats having an encounter with Jesus. After having one, you'll never be the same and you will do everything to follow that man with the most piercing eyes of love and grace.
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This is probably one of my favourite things derren brown ever done. Very simple, but really effective.
what is the name of this pull technique
@@brokensoldier809 it’s called “paid actors”
Derren tells the guy he is going to catch him before he starts his thing, then tells him he wont tell him what he's going to do. Genius level suggestion.
It's annoying that every Derren Brown video is filled with people who cry "fake" with absolutely no reasoning or logic other than it just looks impossible to accomplish without faking or having actors. Sometimes when something looks unbelievably impressive, it's because it just is. Your brain's response is to reject what it thinks can't be true, but that's not a good basis for discrediting someone and calling them a fake just because you think so. Have something to back up your claims.
+arkenfel and I think I am God almighty just pretending to be a human.
***** As a God, I do not seek validation from a mere mortal. You may think whatever your tiny human mind can comprehend.
The real mark of simple-mindedness - the "FAKE"-ers
kiwisoup some of the people are to afraid to admit because it would hurt their pride as an atheist...of course they afraid...because atheist always protected themselved that rationally that there are no forced and forced or doesn't exist....
If I was asked if I believed this I would lean toward disbelief because my bias because he said they were Atheists but the correct answer should be I don't know.
He was controlling our thoughts and biases. He is a good Mentalist.
If he had said they are Muslims instead of saying Atheists and was going to change them to Hindus we both would have said I don't know if it's real or not, or I don't care.
When I was a kid my mother got into spiritualism, so I went to a few spiritualist churches where stuff like this was done. The only feeling I had was a growing sense of complete bullshit. And that was when I was at an age where I was actually pretty open to that sort of thing. Guess they weren't as good as Derren. I would absolutely love to have him try some of his tricks on me. My arrogance tells me I wouldn't be susceptible... my reason tells me that I shouldn't be so arrogant :P
I find it almost unbelievable that Derren was a Christian until his 20s. As a kid? Sure. Up to his teenage years? Maybe. But 20s? I would have thought that by then either his strong rational mind would have shaken him out of it, or it would have been so dulled that such a total deconversion would have been impossible. Not denying its truth, it's just surprising.
Also... half the group walked out!? What kind of skeptics and atheists are they? If I'd just seen someone apparently converted like that, man, I'd be aching to find out what was going on.
+Buffoon1980 "I would have thought that by then either his strong rational mind would have shaken him out of it"... Well, it just goes to show, no matter how smart or rational you may be, once those neural pathways get burnt in, becomes a damn near impossible task breaking out of them. I for one made it out of Christianity just by the skin of my teeth, and now at 33, cannot believe I could have ever been so stupid in my twenties!
@@isaacdanso1036 I would be interested in reading about your experiences concerning this--what you believed at the beginning, your experiences of being born again, your experience of losing faith. The bible seems to say that those who leave the faith never really had the faith(I John 2:19). I have a theory about how people go out of the church and wish to see if your experience seems to confirm my theory or deny it. Of course, it is up to you whether you communicate this or not.
@@ronarprefect7709 Hello friend,
Apologies for the delay in responding to your comment…
In answer to your question, well, looking back, it’s clear to me that I simply believed as I was conditioned to. That is to say, I had very little choice, chance or opportunity to truly consider the veracity of the Christian theology, since it had been inculcated long before I had reached the age of reason; the very tools I was using to make value judgments regarding religious/spiritual matters were themselves built upon Christian axioms. It’s like trying to study your own eye; you need a point of reference or at least some tools apart from the eye itself, otherwise the “judge” and the “prosecutor” become the the same person (so to speak). At any rate, I went through my adolescence never ever having experienced anything such as the “presence of God” or a “filling of the Holy Spirit” or anything else you could call a supernatural encounter or miraculous, so that was obviously an issue, especially as virtually all friends & family around me at the time were constantly professing to be experiencing the supernatural in one form or another - indeed, they were even casual about it; hearing from the Lord was a dime a dozen, whilst I’d sit back wondering whether or not these individuals ever took a single moment to really consider the colossal implications of the actual creator of the universe speaking to them and worse, them coming back to report to their fellow believers nothing of any real consequence. Clearly they were deluded - of this I was certain, but not before suffering a severe bout of anxiety related to my crazy, self-generated notion that I was somehow lacking a soul - that I was simply passed over at the point of conception when surely the archangel must dispatch the soul and insert it into the new creation.
As to how I wound up ultimately losing my faith, there were many reasons that led up to it - more than I care to list here, but I’ll give you one foundational reason because I believe it cuts at the root of Christian theology, and aptly starts right at the beginning: in the book of Genesis, it says God made man in his image, after his likeness. However, it’s only after the snake convinces Eve to eat the forbidden fruit that they become like God (see Gen 3:22), confirming the truth of what the snake proposed as the real reason for why God didn’t want them eating from that tree. Moreover, their eyes are then opened, yet again proving the words of the snake to be true. But here’s the real kicker: God expels them from the garden “lest they eat from the tree of life and live forever.” Meaning, they were created mortal. I’m going to presume you’re a believer and that you may disagree with this point. If so, what purpose does the tree of life serve otherwise, if not only to bestow eternal life upon mortal beings. If instead you consider my appraisal of the text to be sound, then you can understand the problem this poses for the idea of Christ coming to redeem man back to his supposed original state of grace/ immortality. Him conquering death at Calvary becomes a redundant concept.
Does any of the above coincide with your particular theory? I’m genuinely interested to know your theory and also your thoughts on my point of view.
Thanks
@@ronarprefect7709the commenter hadn't claimed to have been born again. Most people don't even know what it truly means.
@@isaacdanso1036he redeeming is coming back to Grace. Man being created mortal doesn't contradict that. Though, I don't believe it says that man wasn't earing of the tree of Life - they could eat of all the trees so, including that one - no? It was only after eating the forbidden fruit that they were separated from the tree of life and immortality.
There are a lot of hypocrites out there but please do not let that lead you to believing in lies.
Aside from whatever magic trick you think is happening here, the fact that there wasn't even a slight reaction from the crowd when that guy dropped is very telling.
Been a follow of Derren for a long time. His stuff always amazes and last year I was fortunate enough to have caught his live show in the UK. Listen to his audio books, he explains a lot of what he does. If one studied as he did, it would seem like magic and rustle those who are weak willed/minded.
Understand that there would be a LOT that would have happened in the background to make such things happen. For example, his event where one person guessed the a winning horse 3 times in a row. Truly amazing odds but in reality, he actually went to the extreme to go through the odds then the film part only showed the winning person, making it seem like he knew she would pick all 3 winning horses.
He is a master at his craft and the saying that 'any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic' is utterly true for this genius.
I wish they'd shown him telling them the truth at the end to see their reactions.
i would be happy to be a apprentice to this man my entire life
@Quinzerrak I made this comment a full 3 years ago and I meant Derren Brown in general. But thanks for getting weirdly pissy.
I've seen a room full of people experience this same thing before. I was in college. We were learning about the history of dance and began to talk about superstitions. After about a 5 minute interactive discussion, somebody sneezed. Usually, 1 or 2 people would comment, "bless you"... However, the entire room said it at the same time. I could never forget that moment, everybody was weirded out and shocked at what just happened. I was the only one in the room who knew the phenomena that had taken place. :)
Not sure how or why you are comparing those two situations.
He's got them thinking about deep things and then he gets in their head: hypnosis. And doesn't standing with your feet together and locking your knees cause you to faint?
@@emmaswain3084 yeah but then he pulls you and controls your mind while your eyes are shut and controls which direction you think and then your equilibrium is off balance and he says and really feel it now just moving into you. so its going to feel like youre falling back. HEs a master at what he does but he has no proof of the lord himself being artificial. There is a good and evil spiritual war going on this very moment in the world. God said have blind faith and god himself doesnt care about us individually Jesus died for our sins and he is the key to heaven god is the judge. ?We arent played like a game of chess we ARE given free will everyone isnt meant to live and we cant control what anotehr individual does. God knows that, he gave us the gift of life and this life is a experience and mankind got us to where we stand today not God, So if everyone realized that the ppower of good out weighs evil and bad then the world would be a better place.\
Excellent video (in fact, this whole programme was generally good). Derren isn't the only person doing this sort of thing, but he is one of the best. I've seen a speaker (who is psychologist who debunks conversion experiences) do this without even coming close to the volunteer. Every time he gives that talk, it ends the same. He knows that there will be people who *want* to see magic, want to see 'the Holy Spirit' do something magical and have come to the lecture as naysayers. He builds them up throughout the talk (giving examples of 'the power', yet claiming it is non existent). He can see the body language in the audience and then finally he lowers his voice, calls someone forward (based on their behaviour and body language), shout 'by the power of Jesus' and-bam!-they hit the floor every time. Just like Derren, it's trick; but in these cases we, the audience, know it is a trick. It's important to share this with evangelical Christians (and other faiths, too) who believe that these phenomena are magic.
You've confused what someone like Benny Hinn does with real Christianity. This has caused you to think that Derren Brown is showing that Christianity is a sham. He didn't convert anyone in this video. True conversion is being born again. Merely coming to believe God exists is insufficient for salvation. Even demons believe that and tremble.
@@ronarprefect7709 Yeah, right.
The world needs more Derren Browns.
It’s always a pleasure to see how skilled you use simple hypnotic tools to produce this kind of feelings in your fellow human, or should I say “victims”? I thought I found the most of the tools you used right from first viewing the video. But when I saw it the second time, I realized, there are still more tools to discover and to add to my own toolbox. Thank You for all your work “in the name of science” to show and reveal the possible tools “preachers” use, simply to make money. I cannot emphasize enough that the world needs more Derren Browns.
Allow me to ask a clarifying question: Do you believe both that we all are merely physical matter and destined to become nothing more than worm food(materialism--no life after death) and also believe that one should prefer a world in which more Derren Browns exist--that such a world would be objectively better?
@@ronarprefect7709 It's not a question of what anyone prefers. It's a question of what is. A question of truth. And the truth of the matter is that there is no afterlife. Death is the end. Anything to the contrary is the epitome of wishful thinking. This means that THIS life is the one that counts, because there is no other. Make the best of it, because it's the only chance you have.
@@cufflink44 I can't see my remark because youtube has hidden it, but I know myself well enough to know I said nothing in support of the notion that preference trumps or decides truth. You make statements but provide no proof.
@@ronarprefect7709 Well then, if I misinterpreted your remark, I apologize.
I'm not sure I can say that this isn't fake, but I have had similar experiences in churches, before.
In fact, I was one of those people who went up on stage during a righteous ceremony when I was around 7. The priest would put a touch of oil on your forehead and would "speak in tongues." I fell backwards and went unconscious for just a moment, but I don't know if I believe in it.
I'm autistic, and that sort of experience gave me huge anxiety, and I'm not really surprised I would faint from all that attention on me. I don't like when people touch me.
I do still believe in God, but not like other people seem to. I don't think God directly touches anything here on Earth, but merely institutionalized the rules and possibilities. Whoever designed and instigated this realm would be God.
Well Darren has a clip for you. Search when he made a diver in to a preacher. He did the same "faint" trick. The diver who had no experience in being religious even
I hate when people learn I am an atheist, and then tell me they will pray for me, it is like they didn't just figure out that means nothing to me
Just unbelievable. How he does this is just amazing. He knows people, more than we know ourselves :)
You’re an idiot if you believe that
Crowd mentality.
I became a Christian with a lack of crowds studying Christianity and doctrine online in my small studio apartment when I was 19..........how is "crowd" mentality or "laying of hands" responsible for my conversion?
Herd mentality
@@studmalexy You obviously didn't read it particularly closely because the bible is full of contradiction.
@@studmalexy You were desperate for a meaning.. So you found an easy way out
I have a similar to deconversion story to Derren, thankfully I deconverted at 21 partially thanks to my brother : )
I always thought this was one of the most interesting Derren Brown videos. Not just because he did some amazing religious feats, but because the fact that so many people left and the fact that clearly the night went on with a lot of drama and the producers were clearly concerned and Derren still showed what happened. This is a strong piece of evidence for me that makes me believe it's not faked.
It’s so strange that he wouldn’t be recognised just by going to the states, if it was England he’d have no chance
I'm happy I got here before the religious mobs! Very relaxing for a change.
If he can convert things in one touch can he make my table smarties?
*skittles
*memes
Lol haha
***** Maybe it can make your mom smarter
***** wait are you telling me that im your mother?
Hypnotic suggestion,... plain and simple!
I feel the inner hug everytime i pray
Does Derren still do shows on Channel 4 and so on? I havnt seen one in quite some time :(
He did last week the push Google it
Awesome :) Thanks mate!
+Activeterror many of his old programs are on 4OD
Same
He’s doing a netflix series now
Fallen to the belief that Darren just stages his stunts. It's so easily done, just throw a guy 100 pounds and bam.
Yes but that's financially not sensible and I don't think channel 4 would allow that
***** not sneible finacially...you do realize they probably make 50k for an episode. They can afford to throw two grand to actors to act.
+Plague Doc I think you missed my point
+Tim Hoare I think you missed your point
+connor sloan Derren and the production team are very smart and talented. If he is able to get by without using actors (which he most certainly is) it is much easier and better for the programme if actors are not used
I've seen him live in London. The show was brilliant.
The trick is to open your mind to truth; that is opening the door that so many of us close off to spirituality. We hear what we want to hear and see only that we want to see. Open the door to God and close the door to the world and you will have real true faith. Every man even the most learned self professed atheist knows God is real in the depths of his innermost spirit. Most of us become very adept at shutting our minds off to this knowledge which creates a 'state' of atheism. When you are truly born again and believe in God and the Son He sent to die to save us, then we open the shut door and become one in spirit with something vast, something beyond our earthly self. When you taste that, there is no deconversion even the most satanic mind controller can exert for the true believer now is a child of God and demons flee in the name of their Lord. This is only true of born again believers. Alas, many say they truly believe but they never truly want to follow and hear the master. They want to have both worlds, the earthly and the spiritual and are caught between worlds never truly being reborn in spirit. These fall away, stay sinful or are prey to snake tongued mesmerists.
The mind is such a powerful thing. You can feel a warmth and sense of comfort from plain meditation, and if you let your mind believe that that feeling is not coming from yourself, but some higher power, you can absolutely convince yourself of these things.
" My father was catholic and my mother is Protestant" Like wtf
well they don't kill each other anymore
My mom is very religious and there were occasions where those people would come to our church and do things like that and he would do it to multiple people and she always wanted to feel "God's presence" or whatever so she would always go up for it, anyways while everyone were falling she was always the one standing and I remember one time she was telling me, "I don't know why I never collapse, maybe I just have a really strong will," or something along those lines, anyways it's always made wonder if they were just using psychological hypnosis to make those people fall back and my mom was just strong willed or just doesn't fall for hypnosis
One of these days I have to meet this guy.
I think it would of been great after doing the mass conversion:
"Do you believe in God?"
""Yes"
"Do you?"
"Yes"
Etc etc
"Yeah well I don't"
And just walked out lol
8:08 how did Derren know his name?
HAX
MAGIC
Maybe he got the names of all the people?
The same way you learn anyone's name normally, you fucking moron, he read the guy's mind.
i believe he did this to show what religion literally can do to people...hypnotize them.
In my opinion, the camera is perfectly aligned so that we can't see his feet moving, pushing himself on the ground.
I've literally heard the voice of God.. Or Jesus or something.. And so did the two others that were in the emergency room with me. I'll never forget it.
Countless people, of all faiths (or lack thereof), have had experiences where they were clinically dead, and they would meet their guardian angel, or some Jesus Christ Himself, and then were sent back to their bodies. One man had been dead for 36 hours and came back to his body, after being attacked by demons, praying for help from God, and for the Theotokos (Mother Mary) to pray for him, and was told to return to his body. He came back and lived a devout, Orthodox life after that.
There is a God.
In the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Amen.
@@ssbmgreenp3pper653 Wrong.
@@ssbmgreenp3pper653 People have varying experiences. If you look up near death experiences, how comes the experience you have is often correlated to the belief you have? Easy answer
They are altered states of consciousness, and happen in the brain. Schizophrenics have mental disorders that often leave them to have vivid hallucinations and delusions, does that mean their experience is TRUE? Or does it mean the brain is capable of creating vivid experiences of things and influencing us, not the fact that there is evidence of anything supernatural.
The brain is capable of many things
Derrens "fear and faith" show, episode 2 where he "converts an atheist" was very influential in me letting go of religion. I'm now an atheist. 😊
Not being weird but I love how Derren allways wears a suit. Most people in his position I imagine would just wear casual clothes. But I think it makes him actually more mysterious
I dont really understand what Derren is trying to enforce as a conclusion to this. In the beginning he states that he will be trying to falesly convert people using only psychological techniques and a bit of hand waving, but the man seemingly collapsing when Derren pulls at the air is not, and cannot be, considered a psychological technique. The man is facing away from him and cannot see his hand motions. So the only two possible conclusions that we can draw from this is, A.) These people are paid actors or, more unsettlingly B.) Derren Brown is himself expressing a form of supernatural power. Both of which raise more questions and neither of which shed light on the subject of evangelical Christian conversion.
That seemed nicely rehearsed...
+David Ross You have a poor ability to read peoples emotions.
Its not "rehearsed". He uses psychological manipulation throughout the video to do this. Like when he said "apart from the people I just spoke to, who believes in god". The people that he just spoke to was the group insinuating that they all believe in god. He repeated the phase twice as well to help embed it into their minds. Then he used a technique called pacing and leading which put them in a light trans. So in summary, its not rehearsed, he uses hypnotic and psychological techniques to pull off this phenomenon.
Right so when the guy knows the exact timing of when derren will retract his hand so he can fall backward, thats not rehearsed?
no sane sceptical person is going to make themselves fall back because of a few subliminal messages.
+distopianfuture how'd he do the first girl?
Yes I'm a Christian, but I do find this very interesting
Junior Parker i sent u a medal a few months back.. has it yet been received?
Some Christians think that if you say "energy" your religious argument is scientifically backed up. Because religion and science working together? No-one ever thought of that before!
He made them all stand up and close their eyes at the end AFTER he gave examples in front of everyone. To sow that bit of doubt. People like to be led and people will usually follow the group that's why they didn't all fall at the same time, Derren was confident that somebody in the group would fall and it would be a domino effect. Thats the power of persuasion. A strong confident leader and group mentality is all it takes to practically hypnotize a whole group of people, you better believe its real that's the basis of all religions and sects, Derren knows how its done.
If you think about it this is possible.
Even if this is staged, it is very possible to do for real.
He didn't do anything that can't be done, it's top notch emotional manipulation and people attribute those feelings with God *on their own*.
Placebo?
Pretty much yes.
Although he is hinting that belief in God is foolish, I think this video says a lot more about how stubborn us humans can be with our beliefs, and the power of hypnosis to enable us to see things differently. Who doesn't want to feel an inner hug??!!
You are doing great work for hummanity!! Thank tou sir! :)
Why didn't you show when you pre-conditioned them? It would make much more sense to everyone if you did.
Also, to anyone that doesn't know; he hypnotized them. When he says "be honest" it doesn't mean anything. You can lie under hypnosis easily. He's doing stage hypnosis that's it. These people will go home and revert back to their original way of thinking.
This is so misleading. I don't understand why he didn't just explain the process lol
Good observation
Fire confe
Yeah I am forever atheist.
I pray for you then and your sad soul
Ok, I'm a Catholic but I will respect your choice
Thanks for respecting me! I also believe in a fully-accepting society!
+The GamingDuke (TheDuke) he doesn't have a sad soul you do for believing a old bearded man living in the clouds made everything with nothing "oh it just happened!"
@@thomasochs7020 Oh my goodness. You gave me such a laugh.
My husband's autocorrect constantly does that. The number of times he sent me emails from work - and I've been reduced to tears of laughter because of what autocorrect has done.
I do hope those Swedish Indians aren't too insulted by this.
It is the power of God that made those people believe. Nothing more nothing less
i think what happened was when he said 'put ur legs together'. it throws off ur balance and after a while u begin to lose it. he just has to keep talking for some time and eventually they'll fall. it might be harder with people with really good balance idk. and also because he doesn't tell them to move their feet a part, they don;t (it's not part of the 'experience' they MUST keep their feet together) so they fall over
"Do you believe in god?"
"Yes Satan"
2:00 If that man had any integrity, he *would* just immediately get to the point. Befriending people, earning their trust, just so he can then jump in and try to convert them has to be one of the most underhanded things I've ever heard.
Love the guy in the back that's still standing and going wtf...
There was something telling perhaps about how the woman at 3:30 kept repeating the phrase "you know" when outlining her beliefs, possibly that's an indication of being in a vulnerable, insecure or suggestible state.
Is this meant to be real and not staged???
Ye
William Woods thats mad! how do people believe this is real? they are all actors
+Callum Hand Jesus Christ man you don't know the effect peer pressure has on people. This shit is real I've seen similar stuff done in churches (I don't believe this is spiritual) but rather just people giving in to pressure within the environment
yeah but were the guys that stood up to preform with derren actors? like the guy in the thumbnail?
+Callum Hand He wasnt an actor. Darren is a magician that specialises in suggestion, if you know what to look for you can see him doing it. he says 'Im not going to tell you whatnim going to do" tho just before that he says "I'm going to be back here to catch you" hes implanted the idea of the expected response which is to fall in his direction.
Now try this with non-actors!
Fuck off
Ravenbil lmao
He said in not putting words in your mouth no but your putting thoughts into his head
Lots people who have no idea what Derren does or how it works, commenting on this video.
Yep
Of course there's a "god", but not a human god where all the little humans go to when they pass sadly.
I think whatever elements that specifically made us was unconscious..... as in the unconscious space created the conscious being to "have a look around" or explore itself and did so out of need like how maybe the 1st tree just knew to grow somehow, it took the elements around it and formed, that's how I think the consciousness was created too.
but if you put that aside and say well whats made the space? and what made that etc etc, you will eventually get to something of a higher power that consciously created everything in the space, created the space etc etc , what that is I have no idea.
I think space was always here.
Impossible though, it couldn't have always been there, space has a form its made up of "stuff"
ok whatever lets just not think of how the universes was made just go live your life
You really think some guy just appeared out of nowhere and created everything from literally nothing? and then you're gonna put all your trust into something you barely know about because you're so afraid that there might not be someone. Wake up
Jude Wilson
ikr
10:04 why would you do that??
I've seen him do this live to individuals I was sitting next to in the audience, I know for a fact that this is real.
Darren is exceptionally clever and has a deep working knowledge of psychology and human behavior which he is able to exploit in carefully controlled environments.
I'm not certain of which specific tricks he uses here, but there is certainly a trick to it.
Here's an example of one way he could have pulled it off.
He gets enough people together to a have a diverse group of minds among which are a handful of agnostic leaning fence sitters.
He talks for long enough and in such a way as to push away the true skeptics... Those that are not so easy to manipulate.
What you're left with is a room full of people who appear to be skeptical atheists but in fact are pliable, uncertain, agnostics. This will give a lot more weight to their supposed conversion if it happens and justify a lack of conversion if it doesn't.
The stage is set
Now you have a key person on the inside... Hes absolutely in on the trick. He describes himself just as you would expect an atheist to, even using the logical argument you often hear from Dawkins and Harris.
Using him as the model for conversion, Darren talks him through his spiritual exercise, which of course goes exactly according to plan because it was rehearsed to go according to plan.
So now what you have is a group of people who were already malleable but who identified with the staunch atheist that they just watched convert to theism and the empathy part of their brain starts lighting the fuck up. "holy shit! That could be me. What if that's me! Oh my God, was grandma right all along???"
Finally, when he repeats the exercise he does it with the herd. And when you do something as a herd you sure as well don't want to be the only one left not doing the herd thing. So you do, and you feel, and you profess what the herd does and feels and professes. Otherwise, you're the only broken bulb in the box of pretty Christmas lights.
That's just one theory, but there ya go
I find missionaries somewhat evil. People that help them are saints, but whenever I see Christian's prying on poor immigrants that seek help. Converting them I feel resentment.
That;'s not how it works. We go and spend months over with them. Building schools, and houses, hospitals ect. We don't just go over there and try to convert peopole. But as christian we do talk with them about it
Booty Messiah It's no problem. Just thought I'd say because a lot of people have this idea that we just go over and try to convert people
Booty Messiah Many christians die trying to help other and many have to have their identities hidden
PlatinumGGS
Why don't you just go to help people because it's a good thing to do. Why do you have to bring your god into it?
chokinonashes61 because mankind's greatest need is to get their souls saved..
Love all the commenters here who don't actually understand what Derren Brown is or what he does.
"This is fake!" - No shit, Sherlock; he's a magician! XD
He claims what he does is real, not magic, he is a charlatan plain and simple.
iirc he doesnt call himself a magician hes a mentalist, he plays with ppls minds and emotions to produce psychological reactions, which is how he can apparently get ppl to think and believe certain ways
C D Hanks derren brown actually does quite the opposite. He specifically mentions that his 'tricks' are fake, thats his act. He's debunking genuine charlatans by telling and showing you how mind tricks can work
so many people are unfamiliar with the emotional feelings that people can get from religious belief... this makes them vulnerable to religious conversion.... I encourage everyone to try lsd because it brings a lot of these intense emotional feelings. understanding this can keep you from being manipulated.
The Holy Spirit fills you with way more than a temporary feeling of satisfaction, it is spiritual and it goes further than simple human logic because there is none lol. I don’t think that you can really understand except if you live it. It’s more than just a feeling, trust me :)
@@reginemonoke3483 nice one. "it goes further than simple human logic becauase there is none lol"
What DB is doing requires much guts. Bravo.
Here's my problem with this. In the first Messiah video, where he messes with psychics, the description says that this series is to "cast doubt on dubious belief systems." My beef is that this video casts no doubt truly on Christianity, because he could have done this with anything. Think about it: Darren could have sat people down and said a purple chicken ruled the world, and they would have been just as doubtful as these ones were about God. With the same psychological tactics he could make them believe in and worship the purple chicken. And for him to say the New Testament put the last nail in his faith's coffin makes no sense; it is a historical document, and it would reinforce a person's faith. Darren, hopefully you will see the light. I am not rejecting who you are. Psychology and magic tricks can very easily exist along side faith.
Anyone who wants to argue with me, fine, do it.
I love being Christian :)
Martin England I deleted their comments because I don't have time for such nonsense atheism in my notifications
Martin England it really is a gem to meet a Christian on UA-cam :) nice last name btw
Then why did you comment on a video as atheist as this you moron?
purpandorange then why did you reply as you knew Christians would be here moron?
Martin England ikr? Every time I see a comment about God I see a army of atheists just marching in with hate mail lol
I love how this video is 11:11 minutes long
Mine is 11:12.
Anyone with a modicum of skepticism will be able to not only see, but explain exactly what he did. There is no way this would work on me, or my significant other.
why is this in my recommended list? is there a bullshit filter on youtube?
No.
where is your Fedora?
+Dan Dyman is that the only thing you can say? I've seen your same comment on this video twice now.
amys495 I'm atheist to stop eating all the salt I put down
Derren has done amazing things in the past. I wouldn't be suprised.
Derren is God
This is the only explanation. PRAIIIISE THE LODE! Crhist has returned!
+Morten Lauritsen calm your nips
+Morten Lauritsen
Those christians are always so loving
God isn't real only the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real
+Michael Griffin amen, friend
"You know"
-Lady in the Glasses
for all of those people who are screaming 'fake' = Derren Brown has never claimed to be anything other than a trickster - he is very good at reading people and very charismatic - he is always saying that there a people his techniques do not work on - people want to believe - it is in our psyche from the beginning of time
no body from the audience reacts when this dude falls back lol so staged
I know XD
The last time you were in a room and a dude fell back due to a religious conversion touch, did you react?
And if you've never been in that situation before, then how on earth would you know how anyone would react?
Only by following the bias you were looking to confirm in the first place, most likely... which is a great example of how this actually does work, no staging necessary.
You can't convert someone into believing in God they have to choose and let God work through them
+Emil Gravier How so?
+ryno nunya because the shit they speak is fucking hilarious
+Emil Gravier omfg I cant believe it this is my first time seeing a conversation with over 50% participaters who arent religious O.o usually I see like 90% of the people trying to (stupidly) defend the believers xD
I remember once attending a "business seminar" which turned out to be a hocus pocus "spiritual" rant. It was attended by bankers, accountants and business people. After about an hour of twiddle-twaddle nonsense the speaker had everyone - about thirty people - stroking each others 'aura' and flicking their negative energy from them. I was furious because I had been conned out of $200. I demanded a refund and I was ordered out of the room. I refused to go. I wasn't going to leave until they paid me $200 in cash. They threatened to call the police and I told them to go right ahead. In the end, I got my money and I left. That afternoon taught me a lesson, summed up by anti guru, guru - J. Krishnamurti - "The mind gives meaning to anything, but the meaning it gives is meaningless."
@6:40 dude in the red def got second-hand hypnotized, bro's fully asleep hahaa
You can tell this comments section is filled with American's. Don't you understand psychology and hypnosis?
This is TOTALLY not fake guys. Let's go out and touch random people to convert them
People cannot be converted without surrendering and believing in Jesus Christ. Not just "something". They have to believe the gospel not some random feeling. The Holy Spirit leads people to repentance and faith.
If you put your feet together while standing circulation cannot flow causing you to lose consiousness
I fell down, so that means the bible is real and perfect without flaws and contradictions!!!