1981 Gulf of Sidra Incident 2 U.S. F-14s vs 2 Libyan SU-22s | DCS World Reeinactment
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- "Minutes later" not "Minuets later" and "United" not "Unitet". Didn't catch that.
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"Fitter" is the NATO Reporting name for Su-22.
Hello would you mind if the wikipedia page for this incident was updated with a screen grab from this video? I cant do it without your explicit permission because it requires it be released under creative commons.
Video viewed by ~210 Egyptians, Arabs + Liberals (all equally likely to hate the US)
Weren't they 'communicating' in a -4 G dive w the as yet unobserved MiG-28..?
Nicely done!
I was aboard the USS Texas CGN-39. We were part of the USS Nimitz carrier battle group as carrier escort. I was in CIC (combat information center) on GCC1 (gun control console 1) when this incident occurred. The part of the story not mentioned but was hair raising is..
a Russian Kashin Class Destroyer was very near by monitoring our two battle groups. I was zoomed out on that Russian Destroyer and as soon as those SU22 splashed, the missile bays popped and I reported Missiles On The Rail!
CPT Andres ran down from the bridge and slammed the keys into the Harpoon missile console. Within seconds it was reported the USS Texas, Arkansas, Pebble and Mississippi all assigned Harpoons to this Destroyer!
Being a FTG and in CIC for every and anything.. this really was as close as it gets to a really bad moment in history.
Slowly over the next few hours the Kashin wiggle off without incident escalation.
Latter on that day I heard that someone Shined the Kashin with missile frequency pretty much as the dog fight was taking place. Thus the response from the Russian Destroyer.
This would have been a great tragedy was it not for many many cool heads.
The Rest Of The Story!
Wonderful work!
Thanks so much!
FTG1 Tripp USS Texas CGN-39 1980-84
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Libyan regime claims that the 6fleet admiral announced on the 20th of August that F14 crashed due to a technical failure, do you recall such thing
@@SaadAlHezaey I do not remember that.
I do remember that we lost an aircraft on this cruise. I was on duty and was watching flight ops on the Nimitz from GCC2 with my Remote Optical Sight. As I was watching an aircraft suddenly crashed into the water just off the ship only a few feet .. my heart sunk, knowing that everyone on that aircraft is gone. About two seconds later the entire battle group went to General Quarters and conducted the search which resulted in only finding insulation floating on the water around the crash site. I couldn’t remember much about it so I looked it up just now.
This is what I found:
“November 17, An S-3A, assigned to Anti-Submarine Squadron (VS) 24, crashed into the water just aft of Nimitz, about 70 miles northwest of Sicily. CO Cmdr. Phillip L. Reed, Lt. Douglas C. Deem, Lt. j.g. Carey A. Arthur and AW3 Charles Wade were killed.”
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Me Too was also on Nimitz may 26th 1981 worse night of my life 14 dead 40 injured when plane crashed on deck with to much cough meds in his system they try to blame the Crew and blame it on us for THC in our system you welcome why we have piss test today
This is a pretty cool video you've put together here. I was stationed aboard the Nimitz as an AM2(AW) assigned to VF41 at the time that this incident took place and your description of the sequence of events is just about spot on. Nice job.
Libyan regime claims that the 6fleet admiral announced on the 20th of August that F14 crashed due to a technical failure, do you recall such thing
I remember this incident like it was yesterday. I was on the flight deck that day when it was announced that 2 Libyan migs had been shot down for firing upon our aircraft first. I was assigned to VA-82 Marauders Aviation Ordnanceman. I remember the tomcats missing 2 sidewinder missiles. My first Med cruise so it was a eye opener.
I was an 11 year old in Disney World. I'm not being a smartass or disrespectful but I do remember it like it was yesterday. I think I was in Alabama when I heard it over the radio. Thanks for your service.
@@scotth985 thank you sir. Strange how 2 different people can remember the same incident of a moment in time from completely 2 different parts of the world.
@@williamfender661 Isn't it though. Too cool. I'm 51 now and the memory is vivid. What's really cool is being able to scribble what I wrote above and have a guy on the deck of the aircraft carrier respond. We live in a new world. It's a good time to be alive despite what anyone else says. Appreciate your response.
so do I buddy. I was in the IO on the USS Ranger. After that incedent our deployment went from 63 days to over 100. Glad you guys handed their asses to them!!!
@@charlesellsworth6458 you are right something I'll remember for the rest of my life. Strange times then and stranger times now. Take care my friend.
F-14 is the most beautiful fighter Aircraft for me..
After the Spitfire of course.
@@ShizukuSeiji just behind the Rafale.
Same here!
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Lt Venlet was later an Admiral at my base Patuxent River, MD. Great guy.
My uncle was on the USS Nimitz and also was in the Black Aces. He might have worked on those Tomcats. Im pretty sure he was on the Nimitz during the incident. So cool to think that maybe he had a part in this.
DJ Venlet went on to become a 3-star Admiral - great American!
I think his other callsign was Inlet
Nice reenactment! It always helps me understand a situation better when there's actual movement across the screen instead of just following a diagram so cheers mate! Also, I'm no aviator, but I'm guessing the blooper was a flat spin on the F-14's part?? 😉
Thank you for sorting the facts out and creating these videos.
Home on leave in 1981-82 a friend of mine had told me about this incident or one he described much like it. He was in the navy and told me that things like this happen often without much notice to the media back home.
This was probably the incident that inspired the dogfight in Top Gun although I think there might have been more. Of course, the bombing of Gaddafi's tent inspired the Libyans to bring down a Pan Am airliner over Scotland.
Nicely done👍 hope you get some attention with that!
This is a great video of this incident, thank you very much!
You're welcome Sebastien.
Ah I love this. Well done
It was actually the Eisenhower aircraft carrier that was there. My uncle was in the pacific doing drills in a F-14 but had a friend on the Eisenhower on standby in his own F-14 that day.
IKE was in homeport being prepared for its August cruise.
It was Nimitz.
I was an active duty squid back then, but a Pearl Harbor sailor. Battle group Ops was the thing. This was a big testosterone moment for the Navy.
And the flat spin att the end...
@TurnTimeTable and rudder to other side of the flat spin,shore
Wings in with the sonic boom at 9:35 was a nice touch.
Fun facts, the AIM missle that shot down the second fitter initial didn’t lock, and after a few seconds got a lock mid flight, pulled a 45g turn and hit the bogey in the tail, all why the bogey was pulling a 9g turn himself. Just goes to show how advanced these missles became
Never heard of 80s sidewinder doing that. Near always you have to get tone and it’s heat sinking not “re locking” a target mid flight. Also it’s max overload is 30gs
@@SupaMan2122 No he's right it did happen, I read the first-hand account from Lt 'Music' Muczynski in a book called Debrief: A Complete History of U.S. Aerial Engagements - 1981 to the Present. 'Music' wrote that he thought the missile went stupid before it re-enagaged and pulled that 45g turn. Definitely worth a read if you get the opportunity
My dad was on the Forrestal as part of the Silver Eagles. He couldn't believe the Libyans did this, knowing they wouldn't survive.
This isn't like war thunder at all 😭 "do you want me to shoot my guy down now? " 😭😭😭
This account makes it appear that the S-3 Viking was playing bait to draw out the Libyans for a return match. It looks like they were outmatched this time.
You may well be right. My thought is the S-3 was collecting SIGINT (Signals Intelligence), trying to get the Libyans to turn on their electronic defensive measures and recording their responses to analyze. If they responded aggressively then that was just a bonus.
That’s exactly what happened. But that’s fine.
Hey idk if you make these videos anymore but they're really good and you should make some more!
Very interesting and well done, thx.
Two days later, one of the aircraft carriers docked in Italy. Kids on the dock were selling T-shirts that read: "US -2, Qaddafi - 0."
Now THAT'S funny.
Running it in nice I see
I believe CDR. David Fravor was the "Black Aces" skipper of the entire squadron of FA-18s back in 2004.
He was. His XO at that time, Dell "Snapper" Bull is a Admiral now
No "puking dogs"?
@@notthatdonald1385 idk. He's retired now
A friend of mine was also in the Gulf of Sidra, unseen, and heard both planes splash.
Right after this exchange, a huge hand lettered banner was erected on the water tower at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery Manie. It read: US 2, Lybia 0.
That was on USS BIDDLE GG 34 menu board for our breakfast that morning. .CIC was pretty high strung after it was over
Almost feel bad for those Libyan pilots. They had to know when they suited up to engage what was an obvious trap that they were outmatched in every imaginable way.
Yeah this was for real and not a Game........... They know what they were getting into.
Su22 is not a fighter. Its for ground attack. More like A4.
@@TheGranicd Actually like the F-105.
They fired first, don’t feel bad for em
Whats the music at the end?
Pacific Storm - Meteor
How did you get the SU-17 to engage you as an air target? I can only select "ground attack".
I think I used "Attack Unit" by picking the unit and AA weapon. Probably also restrict A/G attack and A/A missile attack ranges.
theire lucky the fitters missle didnt lock on properly ore it would have ended up worse but props to both of them for emidiatly switching from waiting to engage to go full on attack
Picking a fight with Tomcats... Bad idea...
That spin recovery yo !
Do not mess the F-14.
This is also for F-14A pilots...engines in F-14A were so bad and vanlurabre fo compresor stall that dozens of F-14 lay on on the bottom of Pacific and atlantic
@@zepter00 That has nothing to do with the plane's capabilities. The F-14A airshow demos with Dale 'Snort' Snodgrass are a testament to the amazing capabilities of even the F-14A with the inferior TF-030 engines. The ingenuity was in the airframe design. All of the F-14 pilots were trained extensively on how to avoid compressor stall, which was avoiding excessive "throttle slamming" at very slow speeds (below 250 knots) at very high angle of attack (AoA) with side slip through rudder inputs (cross controlling) essentially starving one or both of the engine of proper airflow. Still, some pilots made some mistakes like Hultgreen did, which resulted in tragic loss. It does not take away from what the plane could do, if flown well by a well trained pilot with a lot of flight hours in it. It did fine if the pilots followed what they were trained to do.
KLRGT500KR Oh Please I am deeply interested in militarycabiatiin since 35 years. I read dozens of memories F-14 pilots. For example air crew interwiew channels. About „ very high angle of attack” 😆 check Mig-29 and Su-27. Airframe of F-14 was fast but costs of use and service were huge.
@@zepter00 Yeah, I know. I never said the engine was great. It as a bad engine for such a maneuverable plane. The fact is, majority of the pilot who flew the F-14A retired alive with some tragically losing their lives. However, it was not easy to stall. There were a series of things the pilot had to do wrong one after the other to make the engine stall. The things I listed above. All of the issues were fixed with the GE-F110 engine powered F-14s. Regaeding memories, all of them were not because of the TF-030 engines. Many of them were other reasons like crash on the carrier, tail strike, landing gear collapse etc. The GE-F110 engine F-14 B/D ("Super Tomcats") also had a few crashes despite not having the TF-030 engines.
@@KLRGT500KR If that was the LT. D Snodgrass of VF -142, He was one of the best pilots we had. And David "Red" Walker went on to fly the Space Shuttle! JJ VF-142 1975-79
I would love if you could narrate this. Otherwise, good job!
They Probably shit themselves when they realized it was 2 tomcats!
Don't mess with an F-14 TOMCAT
VF-41 Black Aces: first to fight, first to strike
I thought Tomcat backseater was WSO weapons systems operator. That's what we called them at Grumman where I worked. If I recall correctly.
That's the USAF designation for the back-seater.
RIO - Radar intercept officer
Donald Savage no sir, it’s the RIO because it’s a Naval Aircraft. The Air Force calls their backseat ride a WSO.
How shitty of a fighter pilot must they have been not to be able to shoot down a C130?
Make one for Pilot Abhinandan as well :)
this day august,19,1981 was a vivtory day.
What is a fitter?
Fitter is the NATO Reporting name for Su-22.
I’m pretty sure Kleeman would be killed just a few years later in an F/A18 mishap at Miramar or some other west coast base. Venlet would go on to become a test pilot and pin on 3 stars. Thanks for their service.
im from libya dogfight was 2 mig 23 vs 2 f14 usa tomcat
typical example of creating conflict and then saving civillians ....got it
Huh
It boggles my mind why Libya would send fighters to provoke USA and yet hesitate to get in a fight resulting in losing fighter jets for nothing. In a close turning fight the F14 had nothing on the Fitter.
You have absolutely no idea about the real turning capabilities of the F-14. To say, F-14 had nothing in a close turning fight on an SU-22, is truly a big disrespect to the real capabilities of the F-14. F-14 would run circles around the SU-22 all day and every day. Put the training advantage the USN had and the SU-22 had absolutely no chance of surviving against the two F-14s especially difference in the energy addition rate superiority of the F-14. F-14 was infamous for having superior sustained turning rate over smaller fighters due to its high energy addition in tight tunring fights. Music' is on record saying, he pulled 10.2g in this particular dogfight while rolling away from the SU-22 ('Tomcat Fury' book).
@@KLRGT500KR I'd say shona boy is clueless. Mirage was the only one close.
@@johnjacobs1625 Agreed. It could sustain 22 degrees pitch through the turn between 350 and 450 knots and 7.5g - 9g lateral. That is what I heard retired aviators say. Did you fly F-14 yourself?
That shows you bad guy's out there, Don't fuck with the U.S. Navy. They rule the 7 sea's.
Hat blopper was great¡ 😀
Damn they couldn't shoot down a c130
Well, it seems that the S-3 Viking flight at 300 feet was a clear provocation but why SU 22 were sent for an intercept is a mystery...
unit with Su-22 was in quick reaction alert duty of air defense. Su-22 is still a fighter bomber.
@@zepter00 well, that was also my question, why a fighter-bomber was sent for QRA instead of Mig-23 for example
"Colonel" Quadaffi wasn't exactly known for his military expertise.
Stoyan Stoyanov lack of resources and need to fly so called flight hours if all pilots. I think that Liban air force had not expect confrontation on souch scale. American pilots were just trigger happy.
FlightDreamz well .. he took power and keep a country in strong hands. He was qulified enough to be in power for many years.
I got to be there for this one. Libya started to scramble air field Oscar but reality set in...... Go Navy
Thank you DASH99ER
Uh Dasher99er at the end you accidentally got in a flatspin right? What you should have done is not do anything, just let the plane fall and it will fix itself, flaps in, and everything else not moving and put the engine power down to a minimum. It will right itself. If you do anything at all you'll only make the problem worse.
So i tried that. It went right in the water. I'm probably just not doing it right. But, after that whole incident at the end of the video, I found out that if you move the stick in the direction of the spin, it will recover. Then again this is a simulator.
Dash99er That right there works in certain situations and doesn’t in others. Seems to me that particular flat spin just needs an aileron in the right direction or a rudder. Either way glad you solved it :).
Provocation and possibly lies about being shot at. Wouldn't be the first time lying.
Maybe do some DCS for Vietnam Mig kills.
A C-130 lost a fighter in the clouds? Pathetic.
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Luckin' Fybians
Brave Libyan pilots
Lol
Too bad the Phantoms didn't get them.
Don't mess with the US Navy.
Covid -19 is .
Larry 'Music' Muzynski said he pulled 10.4G in the dogfight against the SU-22. It was actually a very fast dogfight taking place close to supersonic speeds. When he landed back, they saw the G-meter pegged at 10+ G and the maintainers were so happy about the two SU-22 being shot down, they did not write him up. They celebrated it with 'Music' instead. (Source: Tomcat Fury).
*Shoots both of them down*
Carrier: You are cleared to defend yourself
102: Uhhhh, 2 are shot down.
LOL basically
hey 102 the101 is in PalmSprings
@@danielquinones5493 No, didnt they say they where clear to defend themself past the boat(Carrier) etc
Not as clear to defend themself from the start?
Thats exactly what happened...was looking for this comment
Double Tap..........Splash, splash...
And that's how the Libyan navy adopted glass bottom boats......
To keep an eye on their Air Force.
Libyan Search-and-Rescue, the real MVP here...
A brother who fought with me in Desert Storm 1991 was plane cpt.for the Intruder on this mission
1981, I was on the DMZ at this time in Korea.
These Tomcat pilots were much calmer than the guys in 1989. Maybe "Hank", "DJ", "Music" and "Amos " didn't expect to be fired upon. Probably the Tomcat Drivers in 1989 have been sensitized to that incident.
Also interesting tot see that Brevity Code was not that much applied back in 1981.
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind I mean, one has to wonder what was going through that guys mind at the time as to why he thought it was a good idea to fire on a clearly superior plane (the Tomcat is better than a Fitter in every way except cost), but for one guy, we know what the last thing going through his mind was.... a fish nibbling on what's left.
They were probably calmer because he was thinking "did her just shoot at me from that tin can?".
@@Tank50us Don't know what the FIRST thing going through that guys mind before firing. The SECOND thing going through his mind was an AIM-9 Sidewinder.
@@higg13001 that as a North Vietnamese pilot that had an AIM-9 enter his cockpit and explode in his lap.
They likely also heard about F-14's getting shot down by Mig-23s in the 1980s Iran-Iraq war.
Wow, this must have been a LOT of work! Thank you for putting in the effort, it really pays off - I was hooked to my screen like I had seen a plane before!
They said the Forestall was the other carrier. It was the Eisenhower, I was there aboard he Nimitz.
It was? Well jeez.
@@Dash99erOfficial I was in VF143 on the IKE the Nimitz relieved us in the med. We were flying all the time beyond the line of death. Several times they sent planes up. As soon as our F14's locked them up on radar they would head home.
@@dblgonzo Cool, The puking dawgs were bad azz. I was a Ghostrider from 75 to 79. AE3 Oh and my dad worked for Ike in WW2. Dad was Sgt of the guard at the Berlin HQ. He also stayed with Ike when they returned to England.
James Stum i was there and I was aboard the FID. I will never forget it because I was due to get out In January.
My brother was on the Forrestal at the time in 1981. Looking at the USS Forrestal 1981 Cruise book, it talks about the Nimitz relieving the Forrestal in the Med, and that the shootdown occurred during a joint operation before the Forrestal left.
Your recreation of the dogfight is pretty spot on. It’s nice to see you put a face and a name on the libyan pilots.
Two Libyans down voted this video.
History at its finest! I feel like I was there to see it all! Thank you!
If you could do some iranian f14's
Vs iraqi migs and mirages would be great
Hmmm
Iranians were the only ones to score kills with the Phoenix 54 missile. Iraqis really flew the highway to the danger zone. The 70 mile away danger zone.
I've seen some documentaries on the iran and Iraq war. It's a shame that history channel didn't include those stories in "Dog fights" series.
My hats off to the pilots who flew the Persian Cats.
@Erik Pantoja Well they would have had to get the Iranian pilots to tell the stories on the show and it would be harder to do that because Iranians are bad....we are told.... but Saudi Arabians are good..we are told. Some stories out of that war say that one AIM- 54 Phoenix missile took out two Iraqi aircraft flying in close formation. Not just once, but several times. One story says they shot the AIM-54 Phoenix at a 4 group and it took out 3 and damaged the 4th.
I don't think the missiles we have now have the range and payload of the AIM-54 Phoenix.
@@MikeBrown-go1pc I've herd of those stories. In the documentary I watched its incredible what both sides were playing cat and mouse games. Anouther great dog fights computer sequence would be to see the Falklands conflict. That's when the British scored 1st blood for the harrier.
These are pretty interesting, hope to see more
It's too bad the F-14 Tomcat that was Fast Eagle 107 in this incident was destroyed in 1994 when that female pilot crashed it trying to land it on a carrier. She had no business flying a fighter jet, she had already had a bunch of incidents and was on probation. This was the governments fault though, they were pressuring the military to get a female pilot in the air etc.
Build am amazing aircraft like the F-14 but they can’t make a radio you can understand.
This was very well done thanks for sharing! Keep this up and you will have more subscribers.
Talk about a last second recovery on that flat-spin, jeez! Good job! major pucker factor on the altitude though.
I can only hope that communications have improved since then. They seemed to spend half the video trying to figure out what the other had said.
@Puckman637 But they weren't. The radio transcript and comms show requests to repeat..
Goose bumps, gives me cold chills. Thank you very much, splash bogey 2 was 20 seconds before you are cleared to defend yourself.
GREAT POST!! 🇱🇷🇱🇷👍
"Wanna shoot my guy down? Shoot my guy down!"
Some band of warriors generousity right there.
It's amazing that 7.5 years later, there's also some communicatiom breakdown between the fighters on the field and the upper links in the chains of command.
Awesome reenactment!
What he said was want me to shoot my guy down? Not offering kill but confirming he’s green light to go
Really well presented - excellent graphics and detailed information
And by the way, you have a comment below from someone named James Stum who I'm afraid is mistaken. The other carrier out there with us was the Forestall. At the time that the Gulf of Sidra Incident occurred, I believe the Eisenhower was patrolling the Indian Ocean south of the Arabian Peninsula but I'm not positive about that.
What a waste of a human life and American taxpayer money! Money given to the Department of Defense should be used to defend the USA, not antagonize the Libyans and use them for target practice.
The Gulf of Sidra incident is very good since it used 2 Northrop Grumman F4 Phantom 2 fighter jets and 2 Northrop Grumman F14 Tomcat fighter jets from both Forrestal & Chester Walter Nimitz to attack 5 hostile aircraft for Top Gun movie it called for 1 Enterprise 2 more F14 Tomcat fighter jets to attack 6 hostile aircraft.
Pulling out of the flat spin in the end was epic.
I was in ‘A’ school in Millington when this happened. A week later the PX was selling Tshirts that had an outline of a Tomcat and saying Navy-2 Libya-0 A great timers be in the Navy!!
Black Aces! That was my squadron. Best representation. I enjoyed that.
Pilot or RIO? (I'm not a navy guy just asking)
@John Irwin Oh I see
Awesome video. It looks like the Libyans couldn’t resist the bait.
Sorry,I think thys was the 1989 strikedown,,FUCK WITH DICTATORSHIP!!! God bless you Yankee workers people!
You do great work. I was on West Pac when this happened. Cubi Point beach detachment. VA 147 Argonauts.There were Libyan students studying in Olongapo, made for some interesting moments.
Libya lied about their two dead pilots. Of course, the cowards did. Cleared to defend yourself? My ass I will determine that.
I was deployed, flying P-3's in the Mediterranean and flew patrols in the Gulf of Sidra during that time frame.
Did they even have subs?
@@mjl1966y No, but the Soviets had a number of subs in the Med during that period.
Bit of a random question, but what was the callsign of the Forrestal that the Marshall controller used?
Finally someone who recreated this incident. I was hoping for an animation of this incident so I have a clear picture of what happened.
There is a schema at the end of the video. Nothing spectacular as infamous Cunningham vs. Toon. The f14 simply reverse a lot tighter than the fighter-bomber su22 and fox2'em
Respekt from poland marek
Dammit! Now I have to look up minuets.
minuet
NOUN
a slow, stately ballroom dance for two in triple time, popular especially in the 18th century.
VERB
dance a minuet.
@@pgtmr2713 :/ :D
tha c-130 is a bad ass for escaping
Back in the day I flew on a C-130 out of Hurlbert Field. I believe the jet was moving so fast it only had a second or two to shoot at the slower 130. Once overshot, he never had a chance to re-engage.
I’m glad we won that encounter. However, I have lots of respect for those Lybian pilots. No way would I strap myself into some Soviet built death trap only to tangle with two Tom Cats.
@@Cjephunneh The United States was taunting Gaddafi.
Gaddafi had extended his boundaries and stated he would defend these new boundaries.
Reagan put our Navy in international waters and planes in international air.
Gaddafi attempted to defend his new boarders.
After this incident...... Gaddafi quieted down.
We were aggressive when we bombed Gaddafi's house.
@trublu97 The Libyans were defending their land despite the difference in armament and strength, and this is what encouraged the Americans to attack !!! Perhaps if that was off the coast of China or Russia, America would not even dare to think about flying near it. It is arrogance and arrogance
@trublu97 Forget this nonsense. You are only courageous about small countries. As for the great countries, your calculations with them differ. Just two days ago, Russian Sukhoi planes were harassing a US spy plane in the eastern Mediterranean, and we did not see any reaction or confrontation, as you did with the Libyans. You were satisfied with only resentment and anxiety.
Your report also contains many falsehoods. Pilot Belkacem Emsik Al-Zintani is still alive. Also, Emsik, before his plane was hit, managed to shoot down the American F-14 and killed its commander Henry Clement !!! Ask your friends about Henry Clement, where is he now?
@@Cjephunneh ?? Fascist euphoria? Get your facts straight: That was not their coastline. They were several tens of miles beyond what international law defined as legitimate national waters for any country. Gaddaffi thought he could get away by claiming more waters he was legally entitled to. He got what he deserved.
The only fascist here was Gaddaffi. Stop deffending his actions; I know its fashionable and edgy to blame the US for the world's evils, doesnt make you any more intelligent nor accurate.
I was there i was with va 82 abord the nimitz in hangar bay 3 with my a7e 310 when the annoucement came over the 1mc morale was boosted that day i still remember it as a highlite in my naval aviation career amh 3 ed wagner
Zintani and Jantari
Were hunted down in a US SAFARI
and so was, years later, al-Baghdadi
proving there is no escape
from the US Military.
They lied to you by Kassem Emsik Zintani, who is still alive today