He had a fantastic explanation for his openness & the predictions that didn't come true. He was from a different timeline. He flat out said he didn't care about this timeline. It's a nice,neat little logic loop. A "get out of failed predictions free" card. He wasn't talking about our timeline. He was focused on HIS timeline. Personally, I like it. It stays fun this way.
I understand this theory. So, pretty much, you can't truly time travel, at least not on your own timeline. Either it causes too many potential paradoxes or there is an issue with energy exchange or some other sciencey reason. Logic followed. So instead what you do is you go back, but in doing so you shift timelines as well, or else in the very act of going backwards a new timeline is automatically created. This allows you to interact with what appears to be your past, but your actions have no impact on you or the "future" because they're all happening on a different timeline where either the future is not yet determined (if this is a new timeline you have just created, and assuming timelines function of an observation principle) or else this has already happened just in a future that isn't yours. I am still following, and so far no logical inconsistencies within their own framework When you go back however, would you even be able to go back? I feel like time travel into the future is well understood and simply involves incredible amounts of acceleration. But surely all that will do is dump you in the future... For that time line. You could argue that you use the same method to get back to the future as you do the past, and assuming that time travel works the same way both ways (which we already know it doesn't since methods that take your forward don't take you back) but if it's the second method, it seems to me since jumping back created a new timeline there is no reason jumping forward using the same method wouldn't have the same result, which just means your trapped on a third, unrelated timeline. The first method, seeing as it just moved you to the nearest similar timeline so you would land in a past most similar to your own. Only now this timeline has you in it, so using the logic you programmed into the machine, wouldn't it just take you to the nearest similar timeline which would now be a timeline where you interrupted the past. It seems to me once you leave your future, the hardest part would returning to that same future.
@@Gildedmuseits kinda like how dragon ball zee did it before believe it or not,i believe they called it a paradox in that if you change ome thing it can have a ripple like effect where other changes occur or simply put a future and timeline not like the orginal timeline. So for example in the future trunks got where he killed android 18 and 17 he ended up being killed by cell in said timeline where as in another cell hadnt formed yet so he was able to come back at the promised time the android twins would wake from unaware that he did die already even if it was simply one version of him that came about from the timeline where he won. either way it just shows time travel is one hell of a woman you don't wanna test, even more when hearing about what you pointed out and what titor said all of it is really terrifying yet enthralling to wanna see for oneself.
He stated that y2k happened in his timeline and didn’t happen in the current one. It aggravates me when people make videos like this and they probably didn’t even take the time to read his posts. True or false - it was incredibly entertaining and thought provoking.
There's also the fact that John Titor was heavily referenced in one of the most top rated animes. Which probably has something to do with his continued popularity.
Yes, and not just heavily referenced, I think that undersells it. Moderate early (as in first 7 eps) spoilers for Steins;Gate: The plot of Steins;Gate was explicitly made around the theory of time travel that was described by Titor, this also includes what he claimed the future would be like. This gives a serious sense of authenticity to the show.
Steins gate is just an anime that teaches the reader and the watcher what timetravel is if posible and most consepts of it including jumping dimensions, timelines, sting theory and more.
@@JULEMANDEN99 It really doesn't include concepts from string theory or anything, I also wouldn't really say that it is teaching time travel. It assumes you know about it and expands the "science" that the world it portrays uses. It actually uses very little conceptual science used by actual theoretical physicists. It is very good for showing the scientific process, though.
The c64 ... a.carrying a hidden message concerning B.Gates. b.can be destroyed using the POKE OF DEATH c.cannot be used to play Elite (one of the above statements is a fib)
Did this titor copy stein’s gate or is it the other way around? He said four yrs. Steins gate has been around forever. Edit: it did come before steins gate.
@@jackdavidson9045 You only have to worry about paradoxes with an immutable timeline, not with a mutable or branching timeline. We could be living in an altered or branched timeline and never know.
Don't know, but I think if what he is saying is true this worldline diverged enough from his for reasons to change and events be delayed. A civil war and ww3 is not completely likely but a fact is that it has never been more likely in recent times.
I have a friend who wrote a book titled "John Titor is an Asshole." While that Titor doesn't seem to have noticed, there was another John Titor who took it very personally.
It's entirely possible that by talking about future events, Titor unwittingly disrupted the timeline, and either erased himself from existence, or got grilled by his superiors so hard, he was never allowed to time travel again.
That time you went back in time to change the future, and when the future doesn't turn out the way you said it was, people call it a fraud instead of a success.
Steins;gate actually does an incredible job of explaining why John Titor could have been a legit time traveler while not having his predictions come true. Instead of time being a singular linear path, there could be multiple parallel paths entirely disjointed from one another that people's consciousness could pass between. So, unlike Back to the Future, where the timeline is altered by your actions in the past, you simply move to the timeline where those events would have occurred. John Titor simply passed into a World Line where those events don't occur or occur at a different point than his own.
He actually explained in his original posts, that because of his meddling in the past, it would be guaranteed that our timeline would be different, and therefore there would be no reason not to share, since regardless of whether it was a hoax or not, the timeline would move. He also said that returning to his own original timeline wouod be next to impossible, and that he would attempt returning to a timwline with less than 1% variance of measurement within the waves measured via the four forces of physics.
Guy travels back in time to prevent future events that were experienced in his timeline. Those events don’t happen in ours. He has completed the mission and prevented our experience of the same fate.
Well that particular computer does have a useful property that prevents an internet lockdown from blocking communications, so at least that part of the story is correct, Also there is in fact a John Titor that is currently working in the armed forces around Ukraine as we speak. I've met him and told him the story and he says he's tired of people bringing it up.
There’s a theory about time travel that solves the “what of you went back in time and killed your grandparents, so you were never born” problem, known as the Grandfather Paradox… The theory is that when travelling back in time, you actually travel to a different timeline, a parallel universe. So if you were to go back and kill your grandparents, you would still exist, as the timeline you’re from is unaffected. If that theory is true, it could be that John actually came from a different timeline. And while in his timeline those things actually happened, in ours they simply don’t.
If real he would've created the classic paradox of going back and stopping what made you go back originally which then creates the time line you originally went back to stop because the events never took place so you never go back in time. But you did go back in time meaning the original events occur creating the paradox.
@@thestinkycheeseman2208 it wouldn't matter the paradox would still be created instead of being a loop it would be a time line split. Yet signs of the paradox would still be clear to see. If you need an easy to understand version watch the tv series Loki. It has a simpler way of showing the split time line paradox. Back to the future explains the butterfly effect of Time travel in a trilogy but it simplifies the science of the paradoxes. The flash point explains the time loop paradox. All of which can happen just by doing what this individual is said to have done. That's three types of paradoxes that would have happened in linear and circular time theories. The loop could still happen even in a linear time line.
The biggest thing is that he also predicted the prediction not happening as stated or not happening at all because of the intervention in this timeline. Is interesting how close some of the predictions got. To be clear, I don't think it was a time traveler, if there were time travel available Stephen Hawking would have gotten a good party. And the kind of time travel that Titor described doesn't have the grandfather's paradox so no risk.
Yeah the thing is even, the Butterfly Effect is a very real problem concerning time travel simply, so that's why the events he talks about may not have occurred. Simply by going back in time he may have already changed events enough that he no longer needed to go back in time in the first place there are so many things that could have an effect on the future that you're never going to know which of them caused things to change. Time travel is a very tricky business.
If a time traveller did come back and tell all about his secret mission then the people in the future would know this and refuse to send that person in the first place ensuring it would never happen.
@@boyzinthewood1Time Travel does indeed exist. Always has and always will. I think what you mean is whether humans will ever be able to manipulate time at will. To that I would say no... at least not to the past.
There is an anime called Steins Gate which is really good in general but has a really good concept of time travel in which time travels often result in changed timelines instead of going back and forth on a single timeline
@@The-Chillest-Gamer had a person say what if time was a line and not a circle. I pointed out that we would see evidence of the paradox that caused time to split.
@@jackdavidson9045surely we wouldn't see the evidence until Titor comes back from the 00s to the new time line that either doesn't have him or has a different him that clashes with the one that went back. Anyway, the main paradox is the existence of the same matter in two places at the same time. A time traveller already exists today in the form of vegetation or some such, so returning to any point in time literally adds mass that has to be compensated for by a similar consumption of energy
Booted up an old PowerBook recently, haven’t been on for over ten hears. I had a folder named “John Titor” and apparently I really enjoyed the material. Real or not….it was super intriguing back then.
I learned about jhon titor from one of the best anime ever and one of my favorites, steins;gate u really recommend it for anyone looking for an insanly good time traveling show. Also cool to know that tge jhon titor thing is based on something IRL
The reason Titor could get away with his claims is because he claimed that the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics was true and that he was travelling between close timelines, so that this timeline might not play out the way his did. Yeah, but that just makes his claim unfalsifiable. He can say anything and dismiss complaints as "not my timeline, bro". I don't buy it, but if you read his posts, they were made by someone who had technical knowledge and some physics background. A nicely constructed hoax. Give the man a cigar.
The best way to convince people you aren't a time traveler is to tell them you are one and say a bunch of stuff you know isn't going to happen. Perfect cover-up.
The best representation of time travel is back to the future and terminator It uses multiverse theory and different timelines. Titor is the most authentic story where it might be true
Sit still. Now how fast are you moving? The surface of the earth spins about it's core at about 1000 miles per hour. The earth does more than just spin though as it's moving around the sun at around 67,000 miles per hour. The sun is also moving around the galaxy at around 500,000 miles per hour. Oh, and the galaxy is estimated to be moving at around 130 miles per second. We could do some math and figure out constructive and destructive movements that give an exact speed, but 130 miles per second seems good enough. So, if you time-traveled one second, the earth will have moved 130 miles. This could be 130 miles toward Earth's core or 130 miles out into space. So, what would happen if you time-traveled one day into the future? You'd appear in space with the Earth over 11 million miles away. Now, what if you traveled one year into the future? You'd appear in space around 4 billion miles from Earth. You'd be dodging Kuiper belt debris as you'd have appeared over 300 million miles beyond the orbit of Pluto. So, you tell me. Is time travel possible?
Ok 1st thing 1st I don't believe in time travel.... however.. if it were possible I would imagine that the people could do it would be an intergalactic species (or us in the future) so they would do the time traveling in space somehow and then come back to the earth 🤷♂️
Out of curiosity, I looked into this a lot about a decade ago. Also, this is from memory so the details a little fuzzy for me. From what I could find, after the chatlogs of John Titor started becoming popular, someone in Florida tried to start up a company selling some sort of merchandise claiming it was from the future or something. They additionally tried to prevent anyone else from using the John Titor name in any marketing or products. But when the local government (District Attorney or something) caught wind of it all, they started poking around the business about whether or not the products/information that this "John Titor" was trying to sell was actually from the future or not. It was at this point that all advertisements and offers from a "John Titor" ceased. So, based upon what little I could find at the time- It seems like John Titor was indeed just a joke/prank that the creator tried to capitalize on. But when the local government started poking at the legally dubious nature of the fledgling business, the creator stopped everything and dipped, as to not get into any legal hot water. Around this time period, there were a ton of online scams like that- Magic crystals, buying property on the moon, etc. So it's not unusual for something like this to have started as a joke, that turned into someone trying to make a quick buck by taking advantage of people on the Internet. Also, I'm surprised that the actual chatlogs weren't mentioned at all in this video. From what I recall, they basically go over how he (John Titor) used a truck with a device in the back of it to travel through time. How it could travel through space back to Earth's previous position was either not mentioned or very hand-wavy (Something about a gravity lock-on or something?) There was also a lot of talk about how he was staying with his parents and was baby sitting the younger version of himself. And, of course, a lot of the predictions about the future he made were very vague and didn't come to fruition.
Kind of eerie. Not a lot of computer nerds knew that the device in question could serve that function. Nowadays, we can emulate almost anything with enough investment.
I had to do a paper for my high school creative writing class and I did it on him lol. I basically posited a theory that he wasn’t in fact a time traveler but a time shifter. Basically he wasn’t going back in time but shifting timelines into similar timelines that exist in the same place but lag behind that’s why his predictions are wrong it’s not his timeline but a similar timeline so close historically that from his perspective he is time traveling.
Oh but you see, he was simply using an advanced deception technique called LYING, since he was supposed to be a secret agent-ish person and couldn’t tell people the truth, but still wanted some fame out of the job.
I can understand how people would still believe, modern media states that any influence while time traveling can have consequences that alter what has already happened. Theoretically (although I don’t believe myself) stating what would happen and when could alter the events into not happening at all. People will likely continue to use that excuse to say that the time traveling was real.
In reality if every time one travels backward in time, it is to a near-identical instance but still a different timeline one could technically go back amd return to one's current timeline without risking the infamous butterfly effect
We had a diversion in the timeline when the banks were bailed out in 2008. It set in place a series of events and social changes that were NOT supposed to happen. It avoided the crash that we were supposed to all have to live through.
In the parallel universe version of time travelling, the past of john titor and our future are two separate (parallel) universes. The fact that the predicted events did not happen could mean that john titor initiated a butterfly effect and changed the future to something unpredictable. Or he was on a military mission to change the past and succeeded. (but most probably he was trolling)
The irony of this is time travel isn't going straight back or forward in time, time is very fluid and always changing and creating new branches, to time travel from your existing branch back in time would not actually be your direct timeline but a parallel copy where there may be slight to huge differences. The differences though grow more drastic the farther you go back, because there's no such thing as pinpoint time travel, thus providing the possibility why their statements on upcoming events are wrong or possibly not exactly the time he mentions, because he's not from our timeline but one similar and or parallel to ours
John Titor's story has the plot of Star Trek 4 The voyage home. Travel to the past for one specific thing to save the future. Whales for Star Trek, an IBM computer for him. He also mentions micro singularities, which were also mentioned several times throughout the next generation as a power source for Romulan ships. I conclude that John Titor is not a time traveler, but a trekkie.
As a kid I was fascinated with this story. I never *quite* believed it but I also never quite disbelieved it. I wanted it to be true but was sceptical.
First rule of time travel, you going back in time means you've changed everything that will happen. Rule 2, trying to stop the future means you will cause it. Plus if he did go back and did stop the incident, then he'd never be sent back to stop it 🤷♂️
I think time travel will end up being more like someone will be able to create an anchor to a certain point of time that can be traveled to, then would rely on another anchor to be made in order to be useful, essentially teleporting between two points of time
The mere interaction with the past would make it incapable of your predictions to be correct Cause the mere interaction would either shift the events forward or backwards and to comparison to your understanding of the events that occurred in your time
If titor was real then perhaps how it works is once a supposed time traveler makes “predictions” like this publicly due to events that actually happened in this person’s past then maybe it causes that moment in time to branch off into a new future to fix the time line and make sure that people don’t know what will happen and keep time balanced
Well technically if he announced the events then that would cause a butterfly effect that would prevent them possibly. Though still it's most likely a hoax
That's true, Titor actually was a girl, but ended up having to go once more back in time to allow a group of scientists with a PhoneWave (name subject to change) to change the timeline
No, the reason, if if he was really a time traveler, the reason, none of his predictions of happened is merely because of the fact that he interacted with the timeline. When he shouldn’t have, he let us know that he existed he told us things that would happen, and therefore fundamentally change the timeline and obviously hopefully he said he got computer parts that he needed.
Theoretically, all Titor did was disrupt the flow of time, and the order of events. We havent HAD these events yet, which means because he told us about them, they either may not happen now, OR they are just delayed.
😂 That smug confident “ok, then!” while being wrong is fabulous. To be clear I do NOT believe “Titor” to be real or the stories to be real but technically according to what we know about time travel which is very little it would be possible for someone to make predictions that never come true because of varying reasons for example “the many worlds hypothesis”, or a host of other reasons.
"Okay then" but you have things like the grandfather paradox, going back in time and changing something affects the future. Even talking about future events can alter them or even prevent them from occurring.
I mean to my basic understanding if you change one aspect of time, it causes a deviation. correct? so him talking about what had happened may have prevented it just a hypothesis here
They'd argue that by travelling back in time he either disturbed the timeline or he was from a parallel universe where the timeline was slightly different.
Branched time-lines, theory that if you go back to change an event, you create branched time-line that exists separate your original timeline, ultimately creating essentially a parallel universe, things will continue to occur as stated on the original time-line but the paradox time-line that is changed from your efforts will proceed on with the changed events. This would explain why a time traveller and their predictions could be wrong, while they themselves are indeed from.a future, just not the same future.
It kinda makes sense that the predictions did not occure based on time paradox theories. However, for the same reason the future would have ceased to exist making his mission pointless and wouldnt have been sanctioned.
Some theory in time travel would suggest Titter wasn't time traveling, but dimension jumping.. if he wasn't just trolling that is. Dimension jumping is the only way to explain if his timeline was different from our current one, though looking at Ukraine vs Russia maybe we're just now getting to that ww3 spoiler...
Was his real goal to prevent catastophe in his own timeline by simply lying about his goal. Or maybe he wasnt fully lying and just really wanted to steal a sick ass collectors item but last second Titor decided instead to travel to the 2000's and ended up altering history in a way he didn't expect? The possibilities are endless.
letting people know could have stopped that from occurring. That could have been part of the mission before retrieving the computer, and it could have only postpone the things that kind of sounds like a lot of that's happening.
If it's who I'm thinking of he went back in time to a slightly different timeline. Further he travelled in time the greater he travelled in parallel dimensions, so what he said happened in his timeline future could be different in ours. Makes perfect sense, what's not to believe? 🤷🏻♂️
Easiest way to disprove him being a time traveler. The events he predicted would've needed to become reality. But by telling us in the past we could change the oit come enough that it would create a paradox.
Obviously, Titor disrupted the original time line with his blabbing about future events. Probably happens all the time.
Not sure if his future was worse or covid.
Ah yes for all the examples of time travel we have to go off. We can make clear assumptions on this.
Yeah well we're still going to have a nuclear war and a civil war, as long as no more time travelers come through.
@@ladykoiwolfecovid wasn't that bad. the complete over fucking reaction to it was pretty bad though
@@ladykoiwolfeI'd rather deal with a war. At least you can shoot back.
He had a fantastic explanation for his openness & the predictions that didn't come true. He was from a different timeline. He flat out said he didn't care about this timeline.
It's a nice,neat little logic loop. A "get out of failed predictions free" card. He wasn't talking about our timeline. He was focused on HIS timeline.
Personally, I like it. It stays fun this way.
I understand this theory. So, pretty much, you can't truly time travel, at least not on your own timeline. Either it causes too many potential paradoxes or there is an issue with energy exchange or some other sciencey reason. Logic followed.
So instead what you do is you go back, but in doing so you shift timelines as well, or else in the very act of going backwards a new timeline is automatically created. This allows you to interact with what appears to be your past, but your actions have no impact on you or the "future" because they're all happening on a different timeline where either the future is not yet determined (if this is a new timeline you have just created, and assuming timelines function of an observation principle) or else this has already happened just in a future that isn't yours. I am still following, and so far no logical inconsistencies within their own framework
When you go back however, would you even be able to go back? I feel like time travel into the future is well understood and simply involves incredible amounts of acceleration. But surely all that will do is dump you in the future... For that time line.
You could argue that you use the same method to get back to the future as you do the past, and assuming that time travel works the same way both ways (which we already know it doesn't since methods that take your forward don't take you back) but if it's the second method, it seems to me since jumping back created a new timeline there is no reason jumping forward using the same method wouldn't have the same result, which just means your trapped on a third, unrelated timeline. The first method, seeing as it just moved you to the nearest similar timeline so you would land in a past most similar to your own. Only now this timeline has you in it, so using the logic you programmed into the machine, wouldn't it just take you to the nearest similar timeline which would now be a timeline where you interrupted the past.
It seems to me once you leave your future, the hardest part would returning to that same future.
@@Gildedmuseits kinda like how dragon ball zee did it before believe it or not,i believe they called it a paradox in that if you change ome thing it can have a ripple like effect where other changes occur or simply put a future and timeline not like the orginal timeline. So for example in the future trunks got where he killed android 18 and 17 he ended up being killed by cell in said timeline where as in another cell hadnt formed yet so he was able to come back at the promised time the android twins would wake from unaware that he did die already even if it was simply one version of him that came about from the timeline where he won. either way it just shows time travel is one hell of a woman you don't wanna test, even more when hearing about what you pointed out and what titor said all of it is really terrifying yet enthralling to wanna see for oneself.
True
I like that
Makes it so it keeps the mystery going
He stated that y2k happened in his timeline and didn’t happen in the current one. It aggravates me when people make videos like this and they probably didn’t even take the time to read his posts. True or false - it was incredibly entertaining and thought provoking.
There's also the fact that John Titor was heavily referenced in one of the most top rated animes. Which probably has something to do with his continued popularity.
Which one?
@@blueteammember2708 Steins;Gate
Yes, and not just heavily referenced, I think that undersells it. Moderate early (as in first 7 eps) spoilers for Steins;Gate:
The plot of Steins;Gate was explicitly made around the theory of time travel that was described by Titor, this also includes what he claimed the future would be like. This gives a serious sense of authenticity to the show.
Steins gate is just an anime that teaches the reader and the watcher what timetravel is if posible and most consepts of it including jumping dimensions, timelines, sting theory and more.
@@JULEMANDEN99 It really doesn't include concepts from string theory or anything, I also wouldn't really say that it is teaching time travel. It assumes you know about it and expands the "science" that the world it portrays uses. It actually uses very little conceptual science used by actual theoretical physicists. It is very good for showing the scientific process, though.
plot twist,
he made a stopover in 1983 and someone stole his IBM and left him with a Commodore 64
The c64 ...
a.carrying a hidden message concerning B.Gates.
b.can be destroyed using the POKE OF DEATH
c.cannot be used to play Elite
(one of the above statements is a fib)
So, an upgrade.
@@markfinley3703 Slllaaammmm!!!!! 👍
Thankfully a japanese man who learned to teleport banana's learned from this great hero
Unfortunately, they got gelled.
Went from mad scientist to sad scientist cuz of jelly bananas
Microwave go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
glad im not the only one who thought of this
and because of that.. A certain girl will be stuck in the same "oh? My watch isn't working" loop
Stein's Gate. My fav anime.
I actually have a copy of Titor's book.
Did this titor copy stein’s gate or is it the other way around? He said four yrs. Steins gate has been around forever.
Edit: it did come before steins gate.
I was about to say, it inspired a great anime
'Barrel Titor' is my fave anime character of all time.
@@adriancliton9706other way around. Titor was in Stien's Gate and turns out to be one of the character's daughter
obviously he time traveled to stop all that shit from happening duh
Facts 👀
Exactly
The paradox didn't happen though.
@@jackdavidson9045 You only have to worry about paradoxes with an immutable timeline, not with a mutable or branching timeline. We could be living in an altered or branched timeline and never know.
@@mygoldenwitch paradoxes are what causes the time line to split and they will still leave evidence such as the Mandela effect.
The arguments that he wasn't wrong include his warnings stopped them from happening and he had stepped into an alternate time line.
Doubt it. Maybe it just delayed them.
Different Timeline theory seems more plausible and interesting, u cant mess with the past event thats bound to happen
Don't know, but I think if what he is saying is true this worldline diverged enough from his for reasons to change and events be delayed. A civil war and ww3 is not completely likely but a fact is that it has never been more likely in recent times.
One time travel theory is that the mere presence of a time traveler can drastically alter the events
Real or not, I love how it inspired Steins;Gate. Masterpiece.
So glad everyone else understands that his mission was successful and since he succeeded none of those things happened at all. Such a good man.
I have a friend who wrote a book titled "John Titor is an Asshole." While that Titor doesn't seem to have noticed, there was another John Titor who took it very personally.
And then he realized he was an asshole and decided to turn his life around... by joining the U.S. Army
Who?
@@zububabu8249John Titor
@@zububabu8249Another person with the same name was the joke, over your head it flew...
@@Micro13bkI think he was trying to set up a "who asked?" joke
Obviously he stepped on a butterfly and Homer sneezed in the face of a T-rex as a homage to this dude.
One interesting bit is that he knew things about the IBM 5100 that wasn't publicly known at the time
This was the choice of STEINS GATE
meybe we are living in stiens gate since www3 didnt happen
Oooooo oooo
@@son9012 well...this isn't 2036 is it,now.
All we can do right now is wait
It's entirely possible that by talking about future events, Titor unwittingly disrupted the timeline, and either erased himself from existence, or got grilled by his superiors so hard, he was never allowed to time travel again.
This would make a great full episode
I think it was at one point
He did one
Dawg, this concept made for a whole ass anime
That time you went back in time to change the future, and when the future doesn't turn out the way you said it was, people call it a fraud instead of a success.
Just talking about future events changes the course of them. Doc Brown taught me that!
Steins;gate actually does an incredible job of explaining why John Titor could have been a legit time traveler while not having his predictions come true. Instead of time being a singular linear path, there could be multiple parallel paths entirely disjointed from one another that people's consciousness could pass between. So, unlike Back to the Future, where the timeline is altered by your actions in the past, you simply move to the timeline where those events would have occurred. John Titor simply passed into a World Line where those events don't occur or occur at a different point than his own.
An IBM of any kind is gonna cause more trouble in any time, including present
IBM is a computer. I believe you're referring to ICBM an intercontinental ballistic missile.
Exactly. Or any windows based machine really.
What if his mission prevented those predictions from happening 🤯
There's a whole anime based on John Titor.. xD
What is it’s is name ?
@@DanskerneFraDanmark Steins:Gate
@@YuJay thank you
@@DanskerneFraDanmark Did you watch it?
@@LoliPolice-bf7mw no :)
Honestly i think a lot of appreciation would be owed to a single man stopping WW3 and civil war, if such things were fated to occur
*Watches Stiens Gate once*
It's the other way around Stien gate was based around him
He actually explained in his original posts, that because of his meddling in the past, it would be guaranteed that our timeline would be different, and therefore there would be no reason not to share, since regardless of whether it was a hoax or not, the timeline would move. He also said that returning to his own original timeline wouod be next to impossible, and that he would attempt returning to a timwline with less than 1% variance of measurement within the waves measured via the four forces of physics.
Ah, the wonderful world of bullshitting
He just fixed the world lines 😂
Guy travels back in time to prevent future events that were experienced in his timeline. Those events don’t happen in ours. He has completed the mission and prevented our experience of the same fate.
Well that particular computer does have a useful property that prevents an internet lockdown from blocking communications, so at least that part of the story is correct, Also there is in fact a John Titor that is currently working in the armed forces around Ukraine as we speak. I've met him and told him the story and he says he's tired of people bringing it up.
Must suck to be him lol 😂
There’s a theory about time travel that solves the “what of you went back in time and killed your grandparents, so you were never born” problem, known as the Grandfather Paradox…
The theory is that when travelling back in time, you actually travel to a different timeline, a parallel universe. So if you were to go back and kill your grandparents, you would still exist, as the timeline you’re from is unaffected.
If that theory is true, it could be that John actually came from a different timeline. And while in his timeline those things actually happened, in ours they simply don’t.
Well of course it never happened... because he achieved his goal.
If real he would've created the classic paradox of going back and stopping what made you go back originally which then creates the time line you originally went back to stop because the events never took place so you never go back in time. But you did go back in time meaning the original events occur creating the paradox.
@Jack Davidson That's only if time is linear.
@@thestinkycheeseman2208 it wouldn't matter the paradox would still be created instead of being a loop it would be a time line split. Yet signs of the paradox would still be clear to see. If you need an easy to understand version watch the tv series Loki. It has a simpler way of showing the split time line paradox. Back to the future explains the butterfly effect of Time travel in a trilogy but it simplifies the science of the paradoxes. The flash point explains the time loop paradox. All of which can happen just by doing what this individual is said to have done. That's three types of paradoxes that would have happened in linear and circular time theories. The loop could still happen even in a linear time line.
The biggest thing is that he also predicted the prediction not happening as stated or not happening at all because of the intervention in this timeline. Is interesting how close some of the predictions got.
To be clear, I don't think it was a time traveler, if there were time travel available Stephen Hawking would have gotten a good party. And the kind of time travel that Titor described doesn't have the grandfather's paradox so no risk.
The US almost had a civil war.
Lmfao no it didn't
Do you mean the hilarious attempt by disgruntled free dumb fighters to take over the whitehouse with spears and beer bellies?😂
@@eddiereekie2403are we living in the same country? 2019 and 2020 almost reached a boiling point
@@eddiereekie2403 Literal coup attempt in 2021 says otherwise
Yeah the thing is even, the Butterfly Effect is a very real problem concerning time travel simply, so that's why the events he talks about may not have occurred.
Simply by going back in time he may have already changed events enough that he no longer needed to go back in time in the first place there are so many things that could have an effect on the future that you're never going to know which of them caused things to change.
Time travel is a very tricky business.
If a time traveller did come back and tell all about his secret mission then the people in the future would know this and refuse to send that person in the first place ensuring it would never happen.
You sir obviously have no idea how time travel works
@jaydubyo I'd say I do by the simple fact it doesn't exist. Your turn
@@boyzinthewood1Time Travel does indeed exist. Always has and always will. I think what you mean is whether humans will ever be able to manipulate time at will. To that I would say no... at least not to the past.
I'm a time traveler to the future. I was born in 1958 and am now 65 years old. It's been an interesting journey.
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There is an anime called Steins Gate which is really good in general but has a really good concept of time travel in which time travels often result in changed timelines instead of going back and forth on a single timeline
Him going back caused a change in events. Easiest way to figure out why these events never happened or did not happen at predicted time
What about the paradox?
@@jackdavidson9045 back to the drawing board I guess
@@The-Chillest-Gamer had a person say what if time was a line and not a circle. I pointed out that we would see evidence of the paradox that caused time to split.
@@jackdavidson9045surely we wouldn't see the evidence until Titor comes back from the 00s to the new time line that either doesn't have him or has a different him that clashes with the one that went back.
Anyway, the main paradox is the existence of the same matter in two places at the same time. A time traveller already exists today in the form of vegetation or some such, so returning to any point in time literally adds mass that has to be compensated for by a similar consumption of energy
@@mobbs6426 the split happens before then ao the evidence would be earlier than when he went back. A good example of would be like the Mandela effect.
Booted up an old PowerBook recently, haven’t been on for over ten hears. I had a folder named “John Titor” and apparently I really enjoyed the material. Real or not….it was super intriguing back then.
I was on 4chan when this happened. Absolutely wild. Good manga about it called steins; gate
Found the @channeler
Why can't we track him?
I'm a time traveler too.
But I can only travel forward in time one second at a time
What a dad joke 😂
I learned about jhon titor from one of the best anime ever and one of my favorites, steins;gate u really recommend it for anyone looking for an insanly good time traveling show.
Also cool to know that tge jhon titor thing is based on something IRL
The reason Titor could get away with his claims is because he claimed that the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics was true and that he was travelling between close timelines, so that this timeline might not play out the way his did. Yeah, but that just makes his claim unfalsifiable. He can say anything and dismiss complaints as "not my timeline, bro". I don't buy it, but if you read his posts, they were made by someone who had technical knowledge and some physics background. A nicely constructed hoax. Give the man a cigar.
The best way to convince people you aren't a time traveler is to tell them you are one and say a bunch of stuff you know isn't going to happen. Perfect cover-up.
The best representation of time travel is back to the future and terminator It uses multiverse theory and different timelines. Titor is the most authentic story where it might be true
Sit still. Now how fast are you moving? The surface of the earth spins about it's core at about 1000 miles per hour. The earth does more than just spin though as it's moving around the sun at around 67,000 miles per hour. The sun is also moving around the galaxy at around 500,000 miles per hour. Oh, and the galaxy is estimated to be moving at around 130 miles per second. We could do some math and figure out constructive and destructive movements that give an exact speed, but 130 miles per second seems good enough. So, if you time-traveled one second, the earth will have moved 130 miles. This could be 130 miles toward Earth's core or 130 miles out into space. So, what would happen if you time-traveled one day into the future? You'd appear in space with the Earth over 11 million miles away. Now, what if you traveled one year into the future? You'd appear in space around 4 billion miles from Earth. You'd be dodging Kuiper belt debris as you'd have appeared over 300 million miles beyond the orbit of Pluto.
So, you tell me. Is time travel possible?
Ok 1st thing 1st I don't believe in time travel.... however.. if it were possible I would imagine that the people could do it would be an intergalactic species (or us in the future) so they would do the time traveling in space somehow and then come back to the earth 🤷♂️
That’s why people would have to build a time AND space machine. Otherwise, like you said, they’d end up in space.
i heard the name john titor and was just like "Is THaT a STeInS gatE reFErenCe"
There will never be a shortage of gullible fools who believe everything they read on the internet.
I think it should be obvious to everyone that Titor succeeded in his mission and that's why none of the stuff he talked about happened.
At least he was somewhat right about World War III. it may have not gone nuclear, but that doesn't mean the whole world isn't on it...
It's entirely plausible that he calls the time paradox. Proving time travel is fantastically impossible and I love it
I mean he obviously butterfly effected his predictions out of existence. Thanks John Titor!
Bro got erased from the timeline 💀
Out of curiosity, I looked into this a lot about a decade ago. Also, this is from memory so the details a little fuzzy for me.
From what I could find, after the chatlogs of John Titor started becoming popular, someone in Florida tried to start up a company selling some sort of merchandise claiming it was from the future or something. They additionally tried to prevent anyone else from using the John Titor name in any marketing or products.
But when the local government (District Attorney or something) caught wind of it all, they started poking around the business about whether or not the products/information that this "John Titor" was trying to sell was actually from the future or not. It was at this point that all advertisements and offers from a "John Titor" ceased.
So, based upon what little I could find at the time- It seems like John Titor was indeed just a joke/prank that the creator tried to capitalize on. But when the local government started poking at the legally dubious nature of the fledgling business, the creator stopped everything and dipped, as to not get into any legal hot water.
Around this time period, there were a ton of online scams like that- Magic crystals, buying property on the moon, etc. So it's not unusual for something like this to have started as a joke, that turned into someone trying to make a quick buck by taking advantage of people on the Internet.
Also, I'm surprised that the actual chatlogs weren't mentioned at all in this video. From what I recall, they basically go over how he (John Titor) used a truck with a device in the back of it to travel through time. How it could travel through space back to Earth's previous position was either not mentioned or very hand-wavy (Something about a gravity lock-on or something?) There was also a lot of talk about how he was staying with his parents and was baby sitting the younger version of himself. And, of course, a lot of the predictions about the future he made were very vague and didn't come to fruition.
There's a 50/50 chance that titor was a time traveller but we will never know
Kind of eerie. Not a lot of computer nerds knew that the device in question could serve that function.
Nowadays, we can emulate almost anything with enough investment.
I had to do a paper for my high school creative writing class and I did it on him lol. I basically posited a theory that he wasn’t in fact a time traveler but a time shifter. Basically he wasn’t going back in time but shifting timelines into similar timelines that exist in the same place but lag behind that’s why his predictions are wrong it’s not his timeline but a similar timeline so close historically that from his perspective he is time traveling.
I'd fuck with people too if I was a time traveler
Oh but you see, he was simply using an advanced deception technique called LYING, since he was supposed to be a secret agent-ish person and couldn’t tell people the truth, but still wanted some fame out of the job.
I mean like it’s possible that him ariving and telling us about these events caused them not to happen butterfly effect style
I can understand how people would still believe, modern media states that any influence while time traveling can have consequences that alter what has already happened. Theoretically (although I don’t believe myself) stating what would happen and when could alter the events into not happening at all. People will likely continue to use that excuse to say that the time traveling was real.
In reality if every time one travels backward in time, it is to a near-identical instance but still a different timeline one could technically go back amd return to one's current timeline without risking the infamous butterfly effect
We had a diversion in the timeline when the banks were bailed out in 2008. It set in place a series of events and social changes that were NOT supposed to happen. It avoided the crash that we were supposed to all have to live through.
In the parallel universe version of time travelling, the past of john titor and our future are two separate (parallel) universes.
The fact that the predicted events did not happen could mean that john titor initiated a butterfly effect and changed the future to something unpredictable.
Or he was on a military mission to change the past and succeeded.
(but most probably he was trolling)
The irony of this is time travel isn't going straight back or forward in time, time is very fluid and always changing and creating new branches, to time travel from your existing branch back in time would not actually be your direct timeline but a parallel copy where there may be slight to huge differences.
The differences though grow more drastic the farther you go back, because there's no such thing as pinpoint time travel, thus providing the possibility why their statements on upcoming events are wrong or possibly not exactly the time he mentions, because he's not from our timeline but one similar and or parallel to ours
John Titor's story has the plot of Star Trek 4 The voyage home. Travel to the past for one specific thing to save the future. Whales for Star Trek, an IBM computer for him. He also mentions micro singularities, which were also mentioned several times throughout the next generation as a power source for Romulan ships. I conclude that John Titor is not a time traveler, but a trekkie.
Bro leaked the DLC 💀
Bro was role-playing and they took him seriously
Me when i forgot to take my meds
He's still here, living underground, preventing disaster after disaster, rewriting history with his knowledge of what happened in his timeline!
As a kid I was fascinated with this story. I never *quite* believed it but I also never quite disbelieved it. I wanted it to be true but was sceptical.
guys I'm time traveler, u breath in past present and future
First rule of time travel, you going back in time means you've changed everything that will happen. Rule 2, trying to stop the future means you will cause it. Plus if he did go back and did stop the incident, then he'd never be sent back to stop it 🤷♂️
The dude literally admitted he was lying
Good thing that we learned how to make bananas time travel before this could happen
I think time travel will end up being more like someone will be able to create an anchor to a certain point of time that can be traveled to, then would rely on another anchor to be made in order to be useful, essentially teleporting between two points of time
The mere interaction with the past would make it incapable of your predictions to be correct Cause the mere interaction would either shift the events forward or backwards and to comparison to your understanding of the events that occurred in your time
He went back in time and changed a few things so everyone would think he was fake
Obviously.
He's just that good
If titor was real then perhaps how it works is once a supposed time traveler makes “predictions” like this publicly due to events that actually happened in this person’s past then maybe it causes that moment in time to branch off into a new future to fix the time line and make sure that people don’t know what will happen and keep time balanced
Well technically if he announced the events then that would cause a butterfly effect that would prevent them possibly. Though still it's most likely a hoax
he didn't come back to get an inferior computer he altered the time space continuum ... he was a couple years off because of the Butterfly Effect
Obviously he succeeded in stopping these things
"Hmm... John Tits? No, too obvious. John Tiddy? Still too obvious. Maybe....John Titor? Ah, perfect".
That's true, Titor actually was a girl, but ended up having to go once more back in time to allow a group of scientists with a PhoneWave (name subject to change) to change the timeline
He gave us good warnings, have helped us avoid crazy things
No, the reason, if if he was really a time traveler, the reason, none of his predictions of happened is merely because of the fact that he interacted with the timeline. When he shouldn’t have, he let us know that he existed he told us things that would happen, and therefore fundamentally change the timeline and obviously hopefully he said he got computer parts that he needed.
Theoretically, all Titor did was disrupt the flow of time, and the order of events. We havent HAD these events yet, which means because he told us about them, they either may not happen now, OR they are just delayed.
😂 That smug confident “ok, then!” while being wrong is fabulous. To be clear I do NOT believe “Titor” to be real or the stories to be real but technically according to what we know about time travel which is very little it would be possible for someone to make predictions that never come true because of varying reasons for example “the many worlds hypothesis”, or a host of other reasons.
"Okay then" but you have things like the grandfather paradox, going back in time and changing something affects the future.
Even talking about future events can alter them or even prevent them from occurring.
I mean to my basic understanding if you change one aspect of time, it causes a deviation. correct? so him talking about what had happened may have prevented it just a hypothesis here
They'd argue that by travelling back in time he either disturbed the timeline or he was from a parallel universe where the timeline was slightly different.
Branched time-lines, theory that if you go back to change an event, you create branched time-line that exists separate your original timeline, ultimately creating essentially a parallel universe, things will continue to occur as stated on the original time-line but the paradox time-line that is changed from your efforts will proceed on with the changed events. This would explain why a time traveller and their predictions could be wrong, while they themselves are indeed from.a future, just not the same future.
It kinda makes sense that the predictions did not occure based on time paradox theories. However, for the same reason the future would have ceased to exist making his mission pointless and wouldnt have been sanctioned.
Some theory in time travel would suggest Titter wasn't time traveling, but dimension jumping.. if he wasn't just trolling that is.
Dimension jumping is the only way to explain if his timeline was different from our current one, though looking at Ukraine vs Russia maybe we're just now getting to that ww3 spoiler...
Was his real goal to prevent catastophe in his own timeline by simply lying about his goal. Or maybe he wasnt fully lying and just really wanted to steal a sick ass collectors item but last second Titor decided instead to travel to the 2000's and ended up altering history in a way he didn't expect?
The possibilities are endless.
letting people know could have stopped that from occurring. That could have been part of the mission before retrieving the computer, and it could have only postpone the things that kind of sounds like a lot of that's happening.
I learn to keep my mouth shut when i time travel. Unauthorized stopovers will get you jailed. One of the main rules. No unnecessary contact.
If it's who I'm thinking of he went back in time to a slightly different timeline. Further he travelled in time the greater he travelled in parallel dimensions, so what he said happened in his timeline future could be different in ours. Makes perfect sense, what's not to believe? 🤷🏻♂️
Easiest way to disprove him being a time traveler. The events he predicted would've needed to become reality. But by telling us in the past we could change the oit come enough that it would create a paradox.