Poor Rose. She may not have been all that sharp, but she did have a really good heart, and was wise in other ways. She definitely had many good qualities. That was one of the things I loved about this show so much, was how all these characters, who are all very different from each other, and actually have very little in common outside of being widows, and one of them a divorcee, was how well their individual strengths and weaknesses complimented each other.
I first saw her on this episode and to find out years later she also played in the movie Shiloh and she was Lila Bolander on Boy Meets World. And now I know her also from St. Elsewhere where she played Ellen Craig. Her husband William Daniels played Mark Craig also on St. Elsewhere. She made me hate her character in this episode but yet I love everything else I've seen her in.
Nice catch. :) I dislike how pedantic she is and has such a superiority complex. In the episode, she's not TECHNICALLY anti-Semitic but tolerates the prejudices of others for the sake of a free parking. This proves too much for Dorothy as Barbara's tolerance will directly affect Sophia's date in a hurtful and disgusting way.
@@Moetaetae It reminds of a certain scene in Django Unchained. Calvin Candie, the racist slaveowner, fancies himself a Francophile and loves Three Musketeers. However, Schultz spells out to Candie that the author, Dumas, was black. Dumas specifically had Haitian ancestry. It shows you how idiotic racist people are.
Unlike the character portrayed by Mary Frann in The Mary Tyler Moore Show (who was definitely anti-Semitic), Barbara was simply a liberal elitist hypocrite who tolerated the restrictions of her club, but did not really share in its views.
Rose didn't get it because she's Rose, and Blanche was just responding to Rose. I'm not sure if Blanche didn't get it or if she was just distracted by Rose's comment. They don't make that very clear.
i think they did understand, they just didn't fawn over her in awe like she expected. she's the type of snob that wants to impress everyone and make them feel inferior to her.
Ashley Worden We haven’t seen Calista in a while. This actress, at that time, is probably just 3 or 4 years older than Calista is now. Yeah, she may seem mature if you’re comparing her to how we remember Aly McBeal looking in 1998.
Phuc You The thing that l always noticed was the layout of the house not matching the opening shots. For example the garage is at the front right of the house but the door to it is in the kitchen at the back left of the house. And if you pay attention out the windows sometimes it’s jungle type shrubbery, sometimes there’s a neighbors house, and sometimes there’s an ocean view.
This is one of many episodes I hated. I love the actress but her character on this episode was downright snobby. She wouldn't let Sophie's date come to the restaurant that they were going to because of his heritage.
Although this wasn't a particularly hilarious episode, it did what many episodes of this show did and shined a light on social issues that are not/were not easy to talk about.
Tiffini Steele Are you serious? This episode is a riot, just because it revolves around an obnoxious character doesn't make it any less funny. Notice how Rose felt so reassured when Blanche kept agreeing with her on how she felt about Barbara only to realize, after a long double take, Blanche was agreeing how dumb she is, brilliant writing I would say
That was the point of the episode. Some people are truly arrogant. This gives Dorothy a better image because as intelligent as she is, the line is clearly drawn defining what is being snobby and just being an introverted skeptic, not judging others for their backgrounds or current standing.
I'd think many genuinely creative or artistic people would find Blanche and Rose entertaining. They're certainly more interesting than most of the pseudo-intellectual snobs Barbara must rub elbows with... meaning anyone who orders Edgar Allen Po-tatoes and considers themselves literary intelligentsia
I felt the same way about Rose when she attended Miles' party that was all college professors. I would find Rose to be an absolute relief among the stuffy profs that were represented on the show. I wish I had been a character in the show that would have gone with Rose to make her feel more comfortable. The first thing I would have said would have been to the woman that said to Rose, "we were just hypothesizing if you could have anyone to dinner, living or dead, who would you invite?" Rose's reply is her roommates and Jesus. The two professors look at her with haughty derision. I would have come to her defense with, "hypothesizing? You were giving an educated guess about who you'd invite to dinner? Do you think maybe you'd like to pick another, grammatically appropriate word instead of trying to sound smart? I'll give you one. Confabulating. That gives you another whole syllable! And it actually MEANS what you're trying to convey! Peace out, you not very smart or nice person! Let's go get some drinks, Rose." I WAY overthink these things, lol.
Ha, good point about her choice of words! That scene bothered me too. Having Jesus over would be a lot more interesting/impressive than Browning with or without his wife. Even if someone said something odd why exchange disgusted glances and turn your back on them? Imagine having those two as your teachers, they likely act like that in their classes too. I would have probably just been like "Wow this party is too hardcore for me, excuse me" or "if they're dead do they come back as a zombie??" Buncha snobs!
You're so right! I had a professor like that in college. She went to Harvard and loved to make sure EVERYONE knew it. In class, if someone took a couple seconds too long to raise their hand to answer a question, or if someone had to stop and think about an answer, she would loudly humpf and say, "this would be OBVIOUS if you went to Harvard." It was always so inspiring and dignifying! She called on me once for a question I didn't know the answer to, so I just said it for her. "I don't know, but it would be obvious if I went to Harvard." She was not amused.
First of all, I had no idea that Miami even HAD a literary intelligentsia. A restaurant that featured courses named after books and authors would be ridiculed in places like New York. Barbara was full of herself, and enjoyed being a big fish in a very small pond.
Would be a coveted restaurant in the cartoon series "Arthur" but those kids have more intellectualism and creativity in their pinky fingers than Barbara Thorndyke
Whatismyname Thisismyname, there were times where Rose was smart about somebody and Dorothy wasn't. Besides Barbara Thornedyke she was right about Blanche's fiance, in the 1st episode, and Dr. Elliott Clayton. She was also smart enough to get her bear back and make the others work when they were trapped on the island. Betty White said that Rose was clinically naive.
Barbara: a man came up from behind me, placed something in my hand and said "this is what you need". Blanche: That happened to me once in the produce section at the A&P!
unfortunately, that is the truth. and that is why I like to enjoy solitude and activities that I can do on my own. And I like to spend time with dogs, birds, rabbits, deer, horses, etc... because animals give u unconditional love and expect nothing in return. humans can be greedy, selfish, egotistical, etc...
Yep! Once as a teenager I joined a youth group at a different church bc my church didn't have any people my age . However the vast majority of the kids there were spoiled, ,snotty and cliquey and of the few ones that were nice were hardly ever there.Once when the group was together at a mission trip and huddled and I said excuse me multiple times and they didn't budge until a girl they knew came through and let her in and continued to ignore me. And in another incident I said hi to one of the girls and she said "Don't talk to me 😑". After sticking it out for a year I told my mom that I hated it and didn't want to go there anymore.
@@tierefuerimmer9635plus this was jr high school the girl there was a bully don’t know why I tried to be cool with her thought maybe I could gain her respect she even called me out my name over a dumb game of dodge ball she may have been bigger and could take one but I had to stand my ground
Bonnie Bartlett, the actress who played Barbara, is still living, she turned 92 on June 20th. she is still married to her husband since 1951 for 70 years
Bartlett's longtime husband is William Daniels, who is perhaps best known as 'Mark Craig' in *St. Elsewhere,* 'Mr. Feeny' in *Boy Meets World,* and the voice of 'K.I.T.T' in *Knight Rider.*
@@musicaltheatergeek79really! I didn't know. Thank for that, the little things you learn everyday. Also the fact that they stayed married for that long is an achievement that most couples will never have.
Sadly, I’ve met quite a few women over the years (especially, for some reason, in college) who very much resembled Barbara Thorndyke in terms of personality.
Had Blanche's sister's book been published before Barbara met Blanche, she might not have been so dismissive of her. But then again, Blanche did admit to participating in an illicit act at a grocery store. :)
Barbara never said *she* has a problem with Jew, she just loves going to a restaurant that happens to have a problem with Jew, “it’s their policy, not mine”.
Blanche: What do you think? Rose: There's something about her i don't like Blanche: Me too Rose: I find her hard to talk too Blanche: Me too Rose: She thinks I'm dumb Blanche: Me too Lmao Blanche
Rose: She thinks I'm dumb.
Blanche: Me too!
LMAO
Poor Rose. She may not have been all that sharp, but she did have a really good heart, and was wise in other ways. She definitely had many good qualities.
That was one of the things I loved about this show so much, was how all these characters, who are all very different from each other, and actually have very little in common outside of being widows, and one of them a divorcee, was how well their individual strengths and weaknesses complimented each other.
Bonnie Bartlett makes you hate her character, snooty Barbara Thorndyke. That's the sign of a very good actress.
I wish she guested on more episodes!
yep
Loved her on Little House on the Prairie and as Tim's mom on Home Improvement.
she is a great actress. I remember her as Mark Green’s mom on ER.
I first saw her on this episode and to find out years later she also played in the movie Shiloh and she was Lila Bolander on Boy Meets World. And now I know her also from St. Elsewhere where she played Ellen Craig. Her husband William Daniels played Mark Craig also on St. Elsewhere.
She made me hate her character in this episode but yet I love everything else I've seen her in.
Rose: (about writer's block) That happens to me a lot
Barbara Thorndyke: Do you Write ?
Rose: No why do you ask ?. Gets me Laughing every time 😂😂😂
Barbara came from a time when classy folks didnt have to hide their superiority.
If you make somebody feel stupid this means you are not classy.
Barbara sounds like a boring person. I’d be chatting up Rose & Blanche all night. 🤣👌
0:22 Barbara's face xDDDD
I like Barbara, save for the anti-Semitism. How funny she mentions Malamud, who is Jewish.
Nice catch. :)
I dislike how pedantic she is and has such a superiority complex. In the episode, she's not TECHNICALLY anti-Semitic but tolerates the prejudices of others for the sake of a free parking. This proves too much for Dorothy as Barbara's tolerance will directly affect Sophia's date in a hurtful and disgusting way.
@@Moetaetae I think what really bothered Dorothy was how Barbara said she felt about Blanche and Rose.
Tiffini Steele I wonder if people like Barbara have clean toilets.
@@Moetaetae It reminds of a certain scene in Django Unchained. Calvin Candie, the racist slaveowner, fancies himself a Francophile and loves Three Musketeers. However, Schultz spells out to Candie that the author, Dumas, was black. Dumas specifically had Haitian ancestry. It shows you how idiotic racist people are.
Unlike the character portrayed by Mary Frann in The Mary Tyler Moore Show (who was definitely anti-Semitic), Barbara was simply a liberal elitist hypocrite who tolerated the restrictions of her club, but did not really share in its views.
Blanche and Rose are interesting people, but they were dumb in this scene. How could they not get what Barbara was saying about the brooch?
Rose didn't get it because she's Rose, and Blanche was just responding to Rose. I'm not sure if Blanche didn't get it or if she was just distracted by Rose's comment. They don't make that very clear.
Who cares?? stop analyzing this and just enjoy for fuck sakes.
i think they did understand, they just didn't fawn over her in awe like she expected. she's the type of snob that wants to impress everyone and make them feel inferior to her.
Barbara looks like Calista Flockhart.
Alexander Edward Pytko Calista Flockhart? Calista Gingrich maybe.
A very old Calista Flockhart!
@@ashleyworden1887 Reminds me of Lauren Lane
Ashley Worden
We haven’t seen Calista in a while. This actress, at that time, is probably just 3 or 4 years older than Calista is now. Yeah, she may seem mature if you’re comparing her to how we remember Aly McBeal looking in 1998.
Yes, she does look like an older
Callista, doesn't she?
LOL. Barbara writes easy to read chick romance novels and thinks she is Jane Austen.
Brilliant
lol notice how Dorothy touches the coffee pot with her bare hands? how did she not burn them? Unless it was sitting there all morning and cooled off.
I'm sure it was just a prop and Bea's natural gesture that production didn't notice.
Phuc You The thing that l always noticed was the layout of the house not matching the opening shots. For example the garage is at the front right of the house but the door to it is in the kitchen at the back left of the house. And if you pay attention out the windows sometimes it’s jungle type shrubbery, sometimes there’s a neighbors house, and sometimes there’s an ocean view.
This is one of many episodes I hated. I love the actress but her character on this episode was downright snobby. She wouldn't let Sophie's date come to the restaurant that they were going to because of his heritage.
Although this wasn't a particularly hilarious episode, it did what many episodes of this show did and shined a light on social issues that are not/were not easy to talk about.
Tiffini Steele Are you serious? This episode is a riot, just because it revolves around an obnoxious character doesn't make it any less funny. Notice how Rose felt so reassured when Blanche kept agreeing with her on how she felt about Barbara only to realize, after a long double take, Blanche was agreeing how dumb she is, brilliant writing I would say
That was the point of the episode. Some people are truly arrogant. This gives Dorothy a better image because as intelligent as she is, the line is clearly drawn defining what is being snobby and just being an introverted skeptic, not judging others for their backgrounds or current standing.
The actress made you hate her because her character was that convincing? Then the actress did her job really damn well. =)
Her actress is married to Feeny's actor
Grace Edwards of little house on the prairie!
😂😂😂😂
They did miss the point of her story. How does that make her a snob? Some people are just smarter than others. Oh well.
Barbara is quite basic!
🤣
Rose is me ...
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I would not say snob. She was not that bad.
She is awful. She's a snob and much worse.
I Like Barbara
Yikes.
Birds of a feather.........
You like Trump too I bet lol
Grow up, Tony.
Really? what do you like about her? I think she is quite toxic.
Eye fahted
I'd think many genuinely creative or artistic people would find Blanche and Rose entertaining. They're certainly more interesting than most of the pseudo-intellectual snobs Barbara must rub elbows with... meaning anyone who orders Edgar Allen Po-tatoes and considers themselves literary intelligentsia
I felt the same way about Rose when she attended Miles' party that was all college professors. I would find Rose to be an absolute relief among the stuffy profs that were represented on the show.
I wish I had been a character in the show that would have gone with Rose to make her feel more comfortable. The first thing I would have said would have been to the woman that said to Rose, "we were just hypothesizing if you could have anyone to dinner, living or dead, who would you invite?" Rose's reply is her roommates and Jesus. The two professors look at her with haughty derision. I would have come to her defense with, "hypothesizing? You were giving an educated guess about who you'd invite to dinner? Do you think maybe you'd like to pick another, grammatically appropriate word instead of trying to sound smart? I'll give you one. Confabulating. That gives you another whole syllable! And it actually MEANS what you're trying to convey! Peace out, you not very smart or nice person! Let's go get some drinks, Rose."
I WAY overthink these things, lol.
Ha, good point about her choice of words! That scene bothered me too. Having Jesus over would be a lot more interesting/impressive than Browning with or without his wife. Even if someone said something odd why exchange disgusted glances and turn your back on them? Imagine having those two as your teachers, they likely act like that in their classes too. I would have probably just been like "Wow this party is too hardcore for me, excuse me" or "if they're dead do they come back as a zombie??" Buncha snobs!
You're so right! I had a professor like that in college. She went to Harvard and loved to make sure EVERYONE knew it. In class, if someone took a couple seconds too long to raise their hand to answer a question, or if someone had to stop and think about an answer, she would loudly humpf and say, "this would be OBVIOUS if you went to Harvard." It was always so inspiring and dignifying! She called on me once for a question I didn't know the answer to, so I just said it for her. "I don't know, but it would be obvious if I went to Harvard." She was not amused.
First of all, I had no idea that Miami even HAD a literary intelligentsia. A restaurant that featured courses named after books and authors would be ridiculed in places like New York. Barbara was full of herself, and enjoyed being a big fish in a very small pond.
Would be a coveted restaurant in the cartoon series "Arthur" but those kids have more intellectualism and creativity in their pinky fingers than Barbara Thorndyke
"I thought Malamuds were chocolate cookies with marshmallows" Lol. Gotta love Rose
Her dimwittedness is what makes her lovable
How can you not love Betty White!!!
@@hadbetterdays8118 Gracie Allen was no dimwit - but she sure did leave a blueprint for such characters as Rose, and Jessica Tate on ''Soap''.......
@@meeklyopinionated she'll be *98* on the 17th of this month...
Funny because Rose is supposed to be the dumb one and Dorothy the smart one, but Rose was right about Barbara.
MsRain123 rose is not as dumb as everyone thinks! She is what they call an idiot savant. I love her. ❤️
Whatismyname Thisismyname, there were times where Rose was smart about somebody and Dorothy wasn't. Besides Barbara Thornedyke she was right about Blanche's fiance, in the 1st episode, and Dr. Elliott Clayton. She was also smart enough to get her bear back and make the others work when they were trapped on the island. Betty White said that Rose was clinically naive.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
She's more of naive, not stupid
I disagree with you on one central thing: Rose is not dumb, she's genuinely naive which makes her "slower", but she sure knows people!
The actress who played Barbara is Bonnie Bartlett and still living, she will be 90 years old in June and still going strong!! 💪🏻
her husband, William Daniels, is 92. They've been married for 68 years!
She was also in Little House
She's on Boy Meets World along with her husband. She's also in the movie Twins with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito as their long lost mother.
She's still going strong like Betty White
Omg lol I feel like I am going to keep coming back to this comment thread to check on her and make sure she’s still going strong!!! 😝💕
I always found it painful to watch Barbara's superior attitude toward the others, like someone making fun of my own aunts!
My aunt has a 'best friend from high school' who acts as this person(I belive that the female person peeked in high school
I like this actress, she plays the character so well
@Clark Drew some info....
@Clark Drew And let's not forget he played Dustin Hoffman's father in 1967's The Graduate.
Barbara: a man came up from behind me, placed something in my hand and said "this is what you need".
Blanche: That happened to me once in the produce section at the A&P!
I have run across people like her. actually there's a lot more cold people in the world than there are good.
unfortunately, that is the truth. and that is why I like to enjoy solitude and activities that I can do on my own. And I like to spend time with dogs, birds, rabbits, deer, horses, etc... because animals give u unconditional love and expect nothing in return. humans can be greedy, selfish, egotistical, etc...
You are correct. It's why I am a loner.
Yep! Once as a teenager I joined a youth group at a different church bc my church didn't have any people my age . However the vast majority of the kids there were spoiled, ,snotty and cliquey and of the few ones that were nice were hardly ever there.Once when the group was together at a mission trip and huddled and I said excuse me multiple times and they didn't budge until a girl they knew came through and let her in and continued to ignore me. And in another incident I said hi to one of the girls and she said "Don't talk to me 😑". After sticking it out for a year I told my mom that I hated it and didn't want to go there anymore.
@@tierefuerimmer9635evil I went through something similar and said to myself to hell with the girl just stay away from her
@@tierefuerimmer9635plus this was jr high school the girl there was a bully don’t know why I tried to be cool with her thought maybe I could gain her respect she even called me out my name over a dumb game of dodge ball she may have been bigger and could take one but I had to stand my ground
I hope she’s not like that in real life
Bonnie Bartlett, the actress who played Barbara, is still living, she turned 92 on June 20th.
she is still married to her husband since 1951 for 70 years
Bartlett's longtime husband is William Daniels, who is perhaps best known as 'Mark Craig' in *St. Elsewhere,* 'Mr. Feeny' in *Boy Meets World,* and the voice of 'K.I.T.T' in *Knight Rider.*
@@musicaltheatergeek79really! I didn't know. Thank for that, the little things you learn everyday. Also the fact that they stayed married for that long is an achievement that most couples will never have.
when Rose said, "that happens to me a lot". I damn near choked lol
Does anyone notice Dorothy is holding the coffee pot, supposedly filled with hot coffee, by the seemingly hot bottom without burning her hands?
No we have lives
Just kidding, I have no life
Sadly, I’ve met quite a few women over the years (especially, for some reason, in college) who very much resembled Barbara Thorndyke in terms of personality.
U men smart & sophisticated?
Barbara was a real bigot and snob. So glad dorothy told her off.
Barbara please.....!
....please, Barbara! ;-)
R C leave us alone Barbara
If you need something, ask Carol Anne!
+Roger Sneed lol one of my favorite movies looove faye dunaway
Oh this is wonderful!, THIS IS WONDERFUL!!!!
Had Blanche's sister's book been published before Barbara met Blanche, she might not have been so dismissive of her. But then again, Blanche did admit to participating in an illicit act at a grocery store. :)
Barbara was a snob so she wouldn't think much of Charmaine's novel.
That happened to me once in the produce section at the AMP 🤣
I don't remember seeing the majority of this clip on t.v. I think they cut some of it. Barb was such a beyatch!
I thought malamuds were Chocolate cookies with Marshmallows!😂🤣
Dorothy's reaction at 0:29 is my exact reaction when I'm working with stupid teenagers.
Rose is me is defiantly me when it comes to Barbara.
This is my last three brain cells when I write.
"Not to mention a dashing young Moroccan" so she's fine with Arabs but not Jews 🤔
Barbara never said *she* has a problem with Jew, she just loves going to a restaurant that happens to have a problem with Jew, “it’s their policy, not mine”.
@@benleung6331 But she tolerates it
@@thgduels4519 Because the parking is free :)
Yeah she didn’t mind working him
I have to admit that Rose's stupidity gets on my nerves. She is my least favorite Golden Girl. Her St. Olaf stories are a drag (to me).
Rose was right, it really goes with anything
Not with plad. Unless large plad.
Bonnie Bartlett, the actress who played Barbara, is still living, she turned 90 on June 20th.
She us one amazing actress!!!!!!!!! St eleswhere
Goodness
Poor Rose!!! Lol
Blanche: What do you think?
Rose: There's something about her i don't like
Blanche: Me too
Rose: I find her hard to talk too
Blanche: Me too
Rose: She thinks I'm dumb
Blanche: Me too
Lmao Blanche
After Dorothy and Barbara's friendship ended, I wonder what Dorothy did with the book?
I think Sophia used it to boost up her backside when she borrowed Rose's car. ;)
She probably used it for toilet paper, starting with the dedication page that Barbara autographed.
Sophia used it to sit on when she "borrowed" Rose's car.
Even funnier when you change the speed to 2.
Jessica Jean Omg, I laughed so hard I was crying when I changed the speed. It's like a 30s screwball movie!
That’s Grace from Little House on the Prairie
Yep
I was wondering why I recognized her and couldn't place her
snobby lady reminds me of my big sister
"... so hmm you bowl ?" Rose trying to make conversation :-)
Hey that's Tim the Toolman's mama!
That's Grace from Little House on the Prairie.
Tony Caban She also played the mother in the movie Twins with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito.
I never would've guessed
S B She also played Tim Taylor’s mother on Home Improvement
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She . Barbara
looks like Nancy Pelosi
Ok😮
Peace
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Remember her from “Little House on the Prairie”.
Rose was the special one 🤦🏻♀️😄
Rhis is rhe woman every other woman dislikes.
So men like her?
" I beg your pardon"? I always loved that part 😂
Where’s the ending.
Mrs Craig
She was in little house on the prairie
So, do you bowl?
❤ malamud
Love this episode!!!!!
She was also Grace Snyder on Little House on the Prairie
🤣 writers block
Omg 😱 so do you Bowl
Dorothy is a snob
Im with rose on that one i thought malamutes were dogs 😂❤❤❤❤
Buddy's wife from st elsewhere