WHY RESEARCH IS SO IMPORTANT | Therian - Otherkin - Alterhuman

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  • In today's video I will be talking about why it is incredibly important to do research about alterhumanity (therianthropy, otherkinnity, etc) when looking into the community or claiming to be therian, otherkin, alterhuman, etc. I will also shed a light on why misinformation and uneducated people can have such a negative impact on the alterhuman community. If you agree with this video, please share it!
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    00:00 Intro
    1:54 Underestimating "identity"
    4:40 Identity crisis
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    7:54 Community gets bad reputation
    9:35 Responsibility to educate
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 309

  • @SussyWeedSmuggler
    @SussyWeedSmuggler 6 місяців тому +231

    Im not a therian but the fact that people actually fake an IDENTITY is insane.

    • @Ocelots-tale
      @Ocelots-tale 6 місяців тому +27

      IKR- I myself am a therian and it's so weird that people fake things, it feels so much better to find yourself

    • @QueZ_MadneZZ
      @QueZ_MadneZZ 6 місяців тому +21

      fr!! I'm a therian and questioning if otherkin (specifically mushroomkin and plantkin) and the mass amounts of misinformation is disgusting. I've legit seen people say "I chose" and when I politely told them you couldn't chose, they called be an idiot and people (most likely fake therians) defended them about saying it's a choice when its not. Also amazing username

    • @DoctorWhoo-hm8io
      @DoctorWhoo-hm8io 6 місяців тому +10

      Same it's disgusting

    • @Skeli-Bones
      @Skeli-Bones 6 місяців тому +7

      Exactly! And this is more than an identity, too.

    • @mrslililau
      @mrslililau 6 місяців тому +6

      I have a question I got a phantom shift of ears, and I did a research and I think I probably im a therian but im not sure can someone help me..

  • @dinotheraptor
    @dinotheraptor 6 місяців тому +84

    YES. I whole-heartedly agree. Misinformed "therians" always annoy me and make my heart ache, especially when they're ignorant. I've tried my best to educate people as much as possible whenever I saw someone getting something wrong, it's been tiring because it usually ends up in bad arguments that stress me out. But I try my best for the community.
    Being a therian is very important to me and seeing people (especially on tiktok) say the things they say and do the things they do annoys me a lot.

    • @CraftingUpContent
      @CraftingUpContent 6 місяців тому +2

      Hey! sorry if this is weird but I have just recently found out about this community, and my friend says she identifies as a dragon therian. I'm unsure how someone knows what they think their therian self is? Is it a past life or something different? Sorry if this is me being uneducated, have a good day :D

    • @dinotheraptor
      @dinotheraptor 6 місяців тому +1

      @@CraftingUpContent no, I can explain! Basically being a therian means you identify as an animal non-physically due to involuntary animalistic experiences. So if you have specific urges or behaviors that links to an animal and you identify as that animal that makes you a therian :)
      Your friend probably has a special connection to dragons and dragon mythology and sees herself as a dragon. And experiences dragon behavior, so that's basically how it works lol

    • @dinotheraptor
      @dinotheraptor 6 місяців тому +1

      @@CraftingUpContent how I found out I was a therian was because of my awakening (basically when a therian fully realizes that they're a therian and it's a whole moment) I shifted and had bird urges and behaviors, like wanting to build a nest, find and forage berries and nuts, ect. I looked into a ton of bird type creatures until I found a bird that fits me. Which turned out to be American robins :)
      And even without the behavior stuff I could relate to them a lot personality wise, so yeah! Lots of research
      (Also I wanna add, while I do believe I was a robin in a past life past lives aren't everything to do with therianthropy, you still need those animalistic experiences and feelings. And some ppl with animal past lives don't consider themselves therians just because they don't identify with that life anymore)

    • @CraftingUpContent
      @CraftingUpContent 6 місяців тому +2

      @@dinotheraptor Oh okay thanks! That's actually really helpful

    • @dinotheraptor
      @dinotheraptor 6 місяців тому

      @@CraftingUpContent yeah ofc :)

  • @Shadow_Editz53
    @Shadow_Editz53 6 місяців тому +108

    Honestly,Thorn,I heavily agree with you.
    I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I am fully agreeing with you.
    I am a therian because I have dream shifts and have other non-human behaviors in the day to day life.
    I also just genuinely think this information is SOO IMPORTANT!!!
    You don’t wanna know HOW many therians mis-identify themselves on a daily basis.
    Thank you for making this,Thorn,I hope this gets tons of views 🙏

    • @SpeckledPaws
      @SpeckledPaws 6 місяців тому +2

      I really hope this isn’t disrespectful but are u aroace bc im starting to doubt there are more aroace people out here😅

    • @Nooblet_Sloppy
      @Nooblet_Sloppy 6 місяців тому

      ​@@SpeckledPaws🐸: Oop-, I am aroace' and there are a lot of people who are as well, So you can put your doubts down.
      👋🫠

    • @QueerRat
      @QueerRat 5 місяців тому

      @@SpeckledPawshi speckle I am an aro ace individual o-o
      Don’t worry others exist 👍

    • @fuzzytadpole
      @fuzzytadpole 5 місяців тому +1

      @@SpeckledPaws I’m aroace! :)

    • @randomspacefan
      @randomspacefan 3 місяці тому

      Fr I thought I was an arctic fox therian until literally this week for more than 6 months

  • @Fr34ksh0w_C1rcu5
    @Fr34ksh0w_C1rcu5 6 місяців тому +29

    I found out about therians when they started trending on tiktok, I never did research and just started calling myself a therian (stupid, I know) Over time I started doing research and found out about all the other types of Alterhuman. 1 year and alot of research later, turns out I'm actually otherhearted/fictionkin.
    That being said I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said in this video. Research is important so people don't assume they're something that they're not. It's harmful to the community because so many people spread misinformation just because they are misinformed as well.

    • @StarIsbar3lySane
      @StarIsbar3lySane 6 місяців тому +2

      I, similarly, sort of jumped into the label of therian. I have now done a decent amount of research, and I know that I am otherhearted, and maybe dual souled. I am still questioning my therian identity, and I don’t know where that will go, but videos like this are so important to help people understand and I thank you thorn for this. It was your channel that made me stray from the label therian for a while whilst I figure my identity out. As I am part of the LGBT community and labeled the “weird kid” at school, I’ve always struggled with identity, so I know how difficult it can be. To all those ignorant about their identities, we’re not mad, just ask you to change, and understand that you are wrong. Much love to everyone in this comment section

    • @tubling24
      @tubling24 6 місяців тому +3

      I'm so glad you're putting this out there. I feel like once some people have been misinformed and started identifying as a therian, they grow to realise what it is and feel like it's not okay to take back that label and say they were wrong. It's completely okay to be wrong!

  • @edible_emerald
    @edible_emerald 6 місяців тому +19

    I'm so glad someone said something about this, and especially a very respected therian like Thorn. Something you should've added though, I once saw a person saying they were a lion therian, however their "non-human behaviors" were that they were born with hair, they have good vision and they were lazy. That's it, no urges to roar or anything like that. I didn't know how to tell them that those didn't really count so I wish something that explained the difference between non-human behaviors and coincidences are was included /nm

  • @dinotheraptor
    @dinotheraptor 6 місяців тому +48

    THIS VIDEO IS SO IMPORTANT!!! I wish the entire therian community and fake therian "community" could see this 💚💚

  • @forestmoth
    @forestmoth 6 місяців тому +8

    i saw a non therian girl who loved quads and gear and she was so unsure about if she could do it as she was afraid she’d be a fake therian if she did these things and when i told her that it’s amazing that she does what she likes and doesn’t want to be a faker and when i told her it’s fully ok she was so happy when i told her she can continue doing what she likes, i hope i meet her sometime again❤

  • @wytartsy
    @wytartsy 6 місяців тому +30

    I'm glad to see more content creators making videos or posts about this and similar topics lately. It's baffling how many people enter the Therian Territory Discord server saying that they're a therian, but when asked to explain the term, they say they don't know. Please don't use a label unless you are absolutely sure the label is right for you, OR if you know that you'll be trying it out for a bit to see if if actually fits you! They're identities after all, which sit so close to the core of what makes you, you

  • @KandiiCornn
    @KandiiCornn 6 місяців тому +80

    Idk why someone would fake this. It’s not “fun” or “quirky” or “cute”. It can be horrible to live with at times.

    • @lunaisluckyyyyyy4955
      @lunaisluckyyyyyy4955 6 місяців тому +5

      Exactly

    • @sl3epystarz
      @sl3epystarz 6 місяців тому +7

      im questioning therianthropy so im not entirely sure, but i understand the struggles. but.. you can get through this and you are strong!!❤❤

    • @Cloud_Eats_IceCream
      @Cloud_Eats_IceCream 6 місяців тому +3

      I agree! My species dysphoria can get pretty bad, especially on shifty days.

  • @Magical-unikitty
    @Magical-unikitty 6 місяців тому +57

    Not a therian but I respect them

    • @DoctorWhoo-hm8io
      @DoctorWhoo-hm8io 6 місяців тому +8

      Same but I do the things of them like quads vocals and wear had because it is fun but I understand the struggles therians go through

    • @RaysTherianLife
      @RaysTherianLife 6 місяців тому +10

      Thankyou 🙂

    • @RoxxWhyNot-
      @RoxxWhyNot- 6 місяців тому +5

      @@DoctorWhoo-hm8io Thank you for recognizing that these things aren't what makes therians who we are and that those are things literally anyone can do!

    • @UKLRP0
      @UKLRP0 4 місяці тому

      @@DoctorWhoo-hm8ioso u r a quadrobist

  • @no1legobatmanfan
    @no1legobatmanfan 6 місяців тому +8

    I was very worried going into this, because i often am very overly cautious and stressed when finding myself in a new community. i had only REALLY understood therians recently. and ive found myself looking back and my own experiences like “Wow, this is exactly what’s been missing”. but i still often convince myself im just faking (not just with this, this exact thing happened when i was diagnosed with adhd, i thought i was just making it up but no i wasn’t). but this video actually just reinforced my therian identity actually. i’ve done tons of research and your channel has been one the best ways to help me understand alterhuman identities. thank you for making such informative content :)

  • @speedynotspeed
    @speedynotspeed 6 місяців тому +6

    I think that real therians struggle with thinking daily “what if im not a therian..“ or/and “am i faking it?“ due to these kind of people research is so so so so important

    • @OR5O
      @OR5O 2 дні тому +1

      THIS‼️‼️

  • @beannn_zz
    @beannn_zz 6 місяців тому +9

    i completely agree with you, thorn. i have often been called a fake therian by misinformed people or that i am "copying" another therian in the therian community because we share the same theriotype, which has made me feel unwelcome in a community all about being who you are.

    • @McFlutters
      @McFlutters 6 місяців тому +4

      As a therian, in my opinion I feel like they are treating theriotypes like ocs or characters they play to seek attention and seem cool, it's really upsetting

  • @MMATCHA_OFFICIAL
    @MMATCHA_OFFICIAL 6 місяців тому +12

    So I've always felt like I have something missing like I'm not whole. And then I bumped into the Therian community, then I did alot reserch, and I felt like all my questions has been answered

    • @randomspacefan
      @randomspacefan 3 місяці тому

      Same

    • @noxyyyyyyyy
      @noxyyyyyyyy 2 місяці тому

      I found out what therian is and when i was a kid i was obsessed with cats and always wanted to be one, Idk why but i really feel like a black cat...Am i a fake one?...

  • @Scarletsuxatart
    @Scarletsuxatart 6 місяців тому +7

    Before I barely at all knew what a therian is, I wil like "oo ima tiger" but when I started watching therian stuff, memories of my past life came back. I’m an Amur leopard!

  • @mizzydizzyz
    @mizzydizzyz Місяць тому +1

    I am a therian, and once I went of TikTok and someone say, 'OMG IM GONNA BE A PERSIAN CAT THERIAN' and I corrected them, they denied and said, 'ik, but I'm still gonna be one' and then I told them that they wouldn't actually be a therian and then they started gettting upset at me! It really upsets me as, I have gotten harrassed, death threatened, and someone threatened to hurt me! And the audacity of someone to be so ignorant. I 100% agree with you

  • @justachannel5072
    @justachannel5072 6 місяців тому +7

    My opinion pretty much falls under "identity crisis" argument, but doing your research on alterhumanity is so important also because you might just don't realise what you are an alterhuman in a first place. This is a message more for insecure folks like me who would most likely deny they thoughts because they afraid of being fake and being a burden on the community, than those who tend to jump into identities more easily.
    If you feel at least a bit what you might be an alterhuman it's better to do research than not, even if you'll find out that it isn't your thing at the end. Do not judge yourself for thinking about it too much after finding the community, don't be afraid to be wrong sometimes while figuring out your identity. If you simply don't read about experiences in the community and do not take a deep dive into that LARGE bunch of terms and identities what fall under alterhuman umbrella, you might simply miss the term what probably describes EXACTLY what you feel! Sometimes they are not easy to find (for example if it's not as common as, for example, phantom shift), so stay patient and, boi, take your time!
    Of course, it's important to remain neutral about your expectations, but being too harsh on yourself is just as extreme.
    P.S. Any critique about the message is welcome!

  • @Mikeyways_revenge
    @Mikeyways_revenge 6 місяців тому +8

    Im a therian and almost everyone on this acc is a therian, otherkin or otherhearted. It truly is horrible when people Mis-identify themselves all the time and refuse to actually research it! Especially for people like me who suffer with specie dysphoria. Always do research and Spend time on it. I found out I was a therian by one of your Videos! By expericing Shifts and non-human behaviour on an almost daily basis! Love you Thorn!

  • @Ducky_Alt
    @Ducky_Alt 6 місяців тому +4

    What’s also really sad is that like a lot of “therians” will just try to tell themselves they are therians because they don’t wanna be let out. I know someone who that’s happening to and I’ve tried to indirectly tell them that they aren’t a therian and are most likely just other-hearted or copingkin.

    • @V-BING
      @V-BING 28 днів тому

      Same I don't know how to tell them or ask them if they have proof or have done research :/❤️

  • @MiloMortimer
    @MiloMortimer 6 місяців тому +2

    I’m so so glad you made this. As a therian who can have very negative shifts, species dysphoria, and time dread, and then see fake therians talk about how fun it is because they get to dress up and run on all fours, but they don’t have any shifts at all, or anything that is actually therian… It makes me very upset. I hope a lot of people see and share this video. (I shared it on Tumblr because that’s my only social other than discord.)

  • @fuzzytadpole
    @fuzzytadpole 6 місяців тому +2

    I really appreciate this video, it brings up and explains a lot of important points.
    It took me two years of denial and soul-searching to fully comprehend and label my alterhuman identity, and it hurts to see some others put so little effort into understanding such complex experiences.
    Thank you Thorn! I hope many more people see this.

  • @bloodboy0229
    @bloodboy0229 6 місяців тому +10

    this video is so needed

  • @untamed_echo7928
    @untamed_echo7928 6 місяців тому +4

    I hate when I get comments on my vids saying “I just became a therian yesterday” or “I chose cat!”. It took me like 2 months to figure out I was a therian.

    • @randomspacefan
      @randomspacefan 3 місяці тому

      Fr it took me more than a week to figure it out and then I got it wrong and I was a different theriotype, it’s different for others but it takes quite a while

    • @ohnotheyatethecookiesrun
      @ohnotheyatethecookiesrun Місяць тому

      half a month for me, debating on ragdoll vs maine coon and awakened as a maine coon!

  • @Te1egraph_y0ur.pxsses-
    @Te1egraph_y0ur.pxsses- 6 місяців тому +4

    I always think it’s weird when people fake being a therian, or any kind of alter human. Like you can do things like quads and make gear if you want to… and that’s seems to be what these people are attracted to in the therian community, but you don’t have to be a therian to do those things. Like do quads, make gear, if that’s what makes you happy then do it, but don’t just call yourself a therian when you don’t feel the feels of being one, and quads and gear don’t make you one.

  • @youngmilli660
    @youngmilli660 6 місяців тому +5

    I identify as a therian and truly feel like I am but then I see videos like this and question everything…I’ve read soooo many articles but…”what if it’s not enough?” Idk…I just feel in the wrong no matter what even when I do have shifts and stuff “what if I’m faking?” I get species dysphoria but…”what if I’m imagining things?” Idk anymore

    • @Cordyceps_Canine
      @Cordyceps_Canine 6 місяців тому +1

      I have that problem constantly, asking myself if my experiences are enough to use the term or not.

    • @Ash_2411
      @Ash_2411 6 місяців тому

      Same as you

    • @Ash_2411
      @Ash_2411 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Cordyceps_Canineyeah I feel it too but I research about it but I didnt found anything qwq

    • @youngmilli660
      @youngmilli660 6 місяців тому

      Wow I thought I was the only one

    • @Cordyceps_Canine
      @Cordyceps_Canine 6 місяців тому

      @@Ash_2411 Look into therian imposter syndrome. That's what it's usually called!

  • @Therian_Gurl_Ok
    @Therian_Gurl_Ok 2 місяці тому +3

    Being a therian can be fun when your being yourself and letting your inner animal out but I can also be terrible such as horrible sadness that you can't ever be an animal and shifts at wrong times.. etc idk why someone would fake that...

  • @InternetCoyote
    @InternetCoyote 6 місяців тому +3

    I wish I could send this to any “therian” who thinks it’s a connection or past life.

  • @TheriansOfTheWoodz
    @TheriansOfTheWoodz 6 місяців тому +2

    EXACTLY. when i first figured out my therianthropy, i never did any research. like at all. i just thought i was a coyote, ferret and red fox right off the bat. but just know sometimes it’s hard for suntherians and contherians to do research, especially if they rarely get phantom or sensory shifts or never really connect. so sometimes it’s tough to do research if you aren’t sure of much :)

  • @helish_therian_cryptid
    @helish_therian_cryptid 6 місяців тому +3

    i really don't like most of the tik tok community, I've had people say im wrong and then say incorrect information is correct, like saying you cant have one then more theriotype.
    the focus on quads and gear at first made me feel like i was somehow inferior as i didn't have them at the time and i cant do quads due to medical reasons, i know now i am no less therian due to these things but it still gives that sence of im not therian enough. and when someone who's actually therian who may find the community through this app may feel the same way.
    ive seen so many people talk about whats known as berserker shifts i believe, without calling it that, like shifting is this big thing that you don't remember and I've seen people say they've ended on roofs or covered in blood and it makes me question how real all these shift on cameras are. and it shows that it seems like this whimsical thing and that they don't know what some of them are on about. at least to a chunk of people who say they are in the community.
    ive met some good and genuine creatures on tik tok, but the amount of toxic therians makes me really not want to interact with the community at least on tik tok.

  • @Iwilltouchyoulilbro
    @Iwilltouchyoulilbro 4 місяці тому +1

    THANK YOU!! It infuriates me when I see people going “Therianthropy is a past life” or “I’m a wolf because I chose to be a wolf!”

  • @Sun-Set-Paws
    @Sun-Set-Paws 6 місяців тому +5

    Ur my favorite therian creator ❤

  • @raventhewolf9
    @raventhewolf9 6 місяців тому +2

    hank you so much for making this video! I really appreciate it. Misinformation is a big problem in the community, so it's great that you brought attention to this. I consider myself a pretty educated member of the community, so I'll make sure to correct anyone who has the wrong idea. Once again, thank you!

  • @Daydreaming_dawn
    @Daydreaming_dawn 6 місяців тому +1

    so this one time i was these two girls on tictoc talking about that they’re trying to become a therain by buying gear. I commented saying that’s not how it works. and then they said some things. it really hurts my heart that people would fake. such a bold identity. 😢

  • @moonstormofriverclan9435
    @moonstormofriverclan9435 2 місяці тому +1

    I’m a therian and met another Therian through text (they said “transitioning from a Furry, so I’m not really sure…). They accused me of being a fake Therian, and it made me really upset. I have been ridiculed and belittled, even spat on, for having this identity I never asked for. I agree with everything you say. Thank u :)

  • @big_pepper
    @big_pepper 6 місяців тому +4

    I'm finding my therotype and I feel a little mad when I struggle finding my type and fake therarians just pick there's

  • @nottefierr
    @nottefierr 5 місяців тому +1

    i was asking my therian friend abt alterhumanity, and she sent me this video. i have been doing some research, and taking baby steps. i've first had dreams shifts of me running through a rocky terrain on my toes, and my arms and legs were covered with fur. i began researching and came across a werecat. now, i'm not sure of this identity yet, but i've been having shifts of me walking bipedal on my toes and sort of leaning forward. i've also been drawing out my shift positions to figure them out and get used to them! these are also on all fours and bipedal.
    like i said, i'm not sure yet because i'm doing baby steps. so far, the shifts have been pleasant.

  • @River_thewolf
    @River_thewolf 6 місяців тому +3

    Yes some body at my school faked being a therian and I talked to them and made them understand that just because they did quads and wore a mask and tail it didn’t make them a therian and that being a therian isn’t just feeling a connection with a animal it is more than that I also told them to do research on what a therian was and stuff but this video is so imp and it need a to be shared so the fake therians can see this and understand that it’s not cool whatsoever faking being a therian thank u so so so much for making this video ❤

  • @Cordyceps_Canine
    @Cordyceps_Canine 6 місяців тому +2

    Great points! I sometimes feel like the topic doesn't really work on social media sites. It's all forced to be short, into the void shouting.
    No one corrects the butchered terminology and no one talks about deeper, more meaningful experiences.
    Forums still work a lot better for this stuff in my opinion. Especially when it comes to having a community. And just written guides or well...informational videos.
    If you don't mind I could share the vid on my Twitter.

  • @MEGexplorer
    @MEGexplorer 6 місяців тому +1

    The fact That this went on my fyp wher my toxic “friend” “quit” being a therian like, GURL U CANT QUIT

  • @Z00mbies
    @Z00mbies 6 місяців тому +3

    I agree with you 100%, you are always spot on.

  • @KaiAndRawrsTerritory
    @KaiAndRawrsTerritory 6 місяців тому +10

    I dislike people who don't research 😅

  • @jthewindigo430
    @jthewindigo430 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video, I agree that everyone should be educated. I’m a therian and I want to educate my family about this. I think it’s good to have the conversation and spread awareness.

  • @CozyCowboy87
    @CozyCowboy87 6 місяців тому +7

    Is there a place in the Alterhuman/Therian/Otherkin communities for copinglink or otherlink people?

    • @TherianTerritory
      @TherianTerritory  6 місяців тому +8

      Otherlink and copinglink fall under the Alterhuman umbrella!

  • @STARZSpaw
    @STARZSpaw 6 місяців тому +2

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO, THORN!! HOPEFULLY EVERYONE WHO NEEDS TO SEE THIS SEE IT.
    Also, I wanted to ask if you could make a alterhuman history video, if thats possible?

  • @MyLifeNonsense
    @MyLifeNonsense 6 місяців тому +1

    When I was younger around summer fall and winter, basically all year round, I would just run around on all fours and I thought I was weird because of it and I didn’t even know these kind of things existed then, but I don’t know if I am a therian , I just did it and I didn’t know why, I guess I was just really mesmerized by the freedom of wolves and other animals like cats.

  • @voilocollective
    @voilocollective 6 місяців тому +7

    Misinformation on tiktok goes so deep that I was once called a faker on there for saying that it's not a spiritual connection.
    Like I have been in the alterhuman community since that person was still in diapers but alr

  • @ericaweber4692
    @ericaweber4692 4 місяці тому

    Thank you so much for this video, because of this I figured out I’m otherlink, not a therian. Thank you for informing others too.

  • @Bumble_The_Neighborhood_Rat
    @Bumble_The_Neighborhood_Rat 6 місяців тому +1

    This was shared to the therian google classroom today!

  • @treetrunks4175
    @treetrunks4175 6 місяців тому

    these videos always take me on a bit of an emotional train going from: "oh shit, is this the moment im going to discover that ive been misidentifying myself for a year now?" (because some doubt always remains in the back of my head thats just my brain being stupid) To "Great, thorn once again affirmed me that this is indeed the correct identity for me.
    Love the content thron, feel like you are a beacon of information and guidance for all of us
    ♥♥♥♥

  • @The_CatZ_System
    @The_CatZ_System 5 місяців тому

    I completely agree. The problem I have with being a therian and otherkin is my imposter syndrome. It feels like I'm faking it just bc I like my theriotypes, but then I get phantom tail and ear shifts. It's really hard

  • @Silent_Secret
    @Silent_Secret 6 місяців тому +1

    Yess I fully agree, I’m a questioning therian or otherkin so this helps mee sooooo very much. I can’t agree more.

  • @vicp7196
    @vicp7196 6 місяців тому +1

    I’d like to thank you for making this video and putting in so much effort with your knowledge and strong points of view and facts. I’m struggling with the fact that my very young & yr old has been identifying as a therian. Her dad and I thought we were monitoring her internet intake well, but apparently not well enough. Again, she’s 8 and sees the very fun and playful side of the dress-up side to it. Yet she’s also identifying. (Yes, we are both well aware, as her parents this needs to be addressed and we are doing so.) again, we do so much appreciate this informative video from you. Truly.

    • @TherianTerritory
      @TherianTerritory  6 місяців тому +3

      Thank you so much for sharing this with me. I always appreciate it when parents educate themselves and try to monitor their children's internet behavior at least to some degree. Please be aware if you didn't already, that social media platforms such as TikTok are 13+, and not meant for younger audiences. I wish you and your child the best!

    • @vicp7196
      @vicp7196 6 місяців тому +1

      @@TherianTerritory
      We completely agree with you. Which is why she won’t have access to the internet (social media) any longer, however she will obviously have nothing but freedom with her creativity on paper with markers and pens, etc. She needs to be a kid without internet influence. Thank goodness the weather will be more kind lately as to where we can actually enjoy it on our patio. Either way, we wish nothing but the best upon you. Thank you, again. ❤

  • @belle_elena
    @belle_elena 5 місяців тому +2

    Omg, my friend thinks she's a Therian. I'm crying right now. Some people on TikTok told her about them and told her she looks like a fox or a calico cat or an white wolf😢. Now she really thinks she fking is! I didn't know how to tell her she's misinformated and probably even isn't an Alterhuman. I just sent her your and PDs channel. She thinks she's a fox and wears gears and does voicals and quadrobics in public.. my bestie just sent me how she was howling like a wolf and barking like a dog. Also she told me she sat in front of someone she doesn't even know and barked at him/her.
    Help? Someone, pliz?

  • @LycanLamb
    @LycanLamb 6 місяців тому +1

    Tiktok is a place full of this kind of misinformation, in there some may think that being a therian is just doing quads and wearing gear, having a past life or having a connection to an animal. And oh god, some may even exclude psychological therians because "spiritual makes more sense". I really hope that this video somehow reach the tiktok therian community

  • @SmilingCatBoyChannel_1
    @SmilingCatBoyChannel_1 6 місяців тому

    Honestly this was very helpful thank you 😊

  • @hearts4vi-pe8ki
    @hearts4vi-pe8ki 6 місяців тому +1

    ⚠️To all Therians⚠️
    I have been questioning my identity٫ I believe I am a Therian. But this video really helped me see how serious this matter is on saying you identity as a Therian. So I have written down over the past few months what I experience and I would really find it helpful if some Therians could classify would I experience as being a Therian٫ so not only am I not lying to myself but I am not hurting the Therian community.
    ❗️(I made quick dot points but underneath will be more in depth and have context)❗️
    1. I feel unhappy as a human٫ I feel wrong٫ I feel my body is wrong٫ when I look in mirror I only see a trapped soul٫ I dont see my body connected to me as a 'soul'.
    2. I experience very faint phantom shifting٫ whenever I feel excited or bored my arm always goes to my back and waves around like a tail٫ when I don't use my arm it makes me feel weird because I am trying to find a tail thats not there٫ I dont feel it but in my brain it tells me there's something there.
    3. My legs are always curled to my chest and I cant stop.
    4. I haves always been territorial on a non-human level.
    5. uncontrollable barking٫ growls and aggressive outbursts.
    6. non human instincts happen like a fight or flight response.
    7. strong urges to howl when doing quads.
    8. I hate physical touch from those who I consider threats to my normal life.
    9. I only like receiving or showing affection through head pats and nuzzles.
    10. I've always wanted a pack.
    ❗️In depth experiences ❗️
    1. when I’m sitting down or lying down I’m constantly having my legs perched up, I’m not sure wether it’s for comfort or a need to protect my stomach and chest but I get really scared and anxious if I don’t. (I have never gotten abused or harmed in anyway)
    2. I hate physical touch, even if it’s my family members. I know this is normal but it’s different, it’s not all physical touch it’s certain people, I can allow people to touch me at times but others I will snap and possibly attack or shove them. After I begin to cry like they hurt me even if all they did was pat my back, I believe it’s some sort of instinct, I can’t help it, I don’t want to hurt my friends and family especially if I care about them, though it’s different around children, I feel less angry when I get touched around kids, but I’m not sure yet.
    3. dysphoria, I feel too high like I’m meant to be on fours, I don’t feel safe when I’m not doing quads, it’s like my body was meant to be like an animal, it’s not my gender, I feel my whole body is wrong, it’s not intense but it feels uncomfortable at times.
    4. Protective instincts, whenever my friends or family are in distress my whole mind shuts down, I’ll give you a story time to explain:
    My mother had told me she heard some weird cries and I went out to check, it was my cats ripped up body outside, he was alive but you could see his insides, he was crying to get out attention, my mum called my dad and after a few minutes they came to the conclusion they had to let him go, all the vets were to far and he was dying already, we were going to end him then drive him to a nice area and bury him when we realised the front door was closed and locked, my mum was crying because she wanted him to go faster with less pain then suffer and my dad was trying to bust down the door. Despite me having the cat for 7 years not a single tear fell, my body acted on its own, I jumped on all fours and climbed over the fence with ease even though I hadn’t done quads for over 8 years. I got in and my dad drove him to a nice area to let him rest. Moral of the story my body went into a automatic function but it wasn’t human instincts.
    5. Growling and barking without realizing٫ It seems like second nature to me٫ whenever I feel someone I care about is in trouble I start growling and barking٫ I may even attack them٫ I dont wont to but it just happens and people have seen me do that and now I've earned a bad reputation.
    6. Territorial٫ ever since I can remember I had a strong urge to show dominance and protect whats 'mine'٫ I remember many times thought out my life I've did games where we had to "cat fight" to show dominance and win٫ and protect our land٫ it always felt right to me and when all my friends grew out of those games I felt sad and trapped like it wasn't me behind the smile.
    7. Packs٫ I've always wanted a pack to rely on٫ a place where loyalty and trust is never doubted٫ we can protect and trust another٫ in battle٫ hunting٫ anything really٫ I've always wanted that.
    8. Howling٫ this urge is not so strong but It seems whenever im doing quads I suddenly want to howl at the top of my lungs.
    9. A imaginary tail٫ whenever im happy or bored I use my hand to simulate what my expression is through my "tail" it feels weird when I use this tail in my head to greet or dismiss people then realize its not there and I've left people confused.
    10. I use nuzzles and head pats to show and receive affection٫ I hate any other way of affection it feels wrong.

  • @Jay_the_therian
    @Jay_the_therian Місяць тому

    I just recently awakened after so so much research, and yes, it really is important. I thought I was just otherhearted, but after looking into therianthropy and the non-human behavior I’ve experienced (ex. Instinctually growling without thinking, picturing myself as animals, and so much more) and I’ve realized that yes, I am a therian as well. But I was and still am so terrified of being wrong, even though I’m certain I’m not. I just wonder if I’m in my head and faking it even though I’m not. I still have no idea what my theriotypes are, but I’m taking that slow. I just like knowing and identifying as what I truly am :)

  • @Sharks_therian
    @Sharks_therian 6 місяців тому +1

    Faking there identity is crazy!! I don’t understand why to fake you. Putting a label on your self is wrong!! This video is extremely important every in or out in the community needs to see this!!

  • @Fuzzzy_potato
    @Fuzzzy_potato 6 місяців тому +2

    I am not a therain, but I have spent a lot of time researching them, I like to broaden my horizons and learn about groups I am not a part of, both for fun and because I think it is good to try and understand them. What I did not expect to learn opon researching this group, is that at this point I know more about it then some people who claim to be a part of it. Fake therains make up a shocking large part of the people I have talked to, people who don’t even really know what it means. It is surprising to me how this community can be so full of fakers, and almost became a sort of trend, especially because it sounds really… well… not fun! Really hopeing more people see this video soon, until then, see you later.
    -fuzzy potato

  • @user-yc6oy3nb9i
    @user-yc6oy3nb9i 6 місяців тому +2

    You need to do more videos on physiological Therians. Most Therians don’t even know we exist. Plus in some of your videos what you say leans a lot towards spiritual Therians and leaves physiological Therians in the dark.

  • @-Chimera_clawz-
    @-Chimera_clawz- 6 місяців тому +1

    2nd! :) Also i hope as many people see this as possible.

  • @user-ro5nr3ub3r
    @user-ro5nr3ub3r 6 місяців тому

    the song is gonna make me cry but i fully agree with you thorn

  • @kawaiiteacup9782
    @kawaiiteacup9782 6 місяців тому +1

    love your videos!

  • @_.kayla._
    @_.kayla._ 5 місяців тому +1

    Hi, I am a young girl, and when I was little I would have a lot of strange connections to different animals, and I would want to be one, and I would walk on all fours although it was hard finding friends because some people including my siblings would say that I’m an animal, I grew out of it but sometimes I would have sensations that I would feel a pair of wolf ears and a tail on my body and I would have such a strong urge to howl at the moon at night I also used to do it when I was little with out a care and would howl at the moon at night sometimes when I would be outside very late on a trip or just some random destination and I would always have a chance to howl at the moon because my family loved to be out late at night and also because they where extremely slow. But every time I would do this I would get weird looks, and I eventually stoped, but now when found out about the therian community I felt ok doing animal behavior but I still am hesitant to howl at the moon because of what people would think.
    Am I a therian?

  • @jimm1728
    @jimm1728 6 місяців тому +2

    :) this is so important thank you

  • @xBloodxFangx
    @xBloodxFangx 3 місяці тому +2

    Im an adult and just found out what a therian is, but Im struggling to figure out if I am (and what type) a therian. Ive had shifts since I was young, such as dreams, urges to bark or howl when I hear certain things, feeling like I can wag a tail that is not there, perking or pinning animal ears instead of human ones, growling when angry, ripping instead of pulling meat off food (like ribs) in a more animalistic way. Feeling like my hackles rise when upset. Sudden moments of baring teeth and snarling. Even going into "hunt mode" when seeing things like squirrels or birds. I stalk and try to hunt them, though never with the end result of killing anything, just the thrill of if I can get close and chase them.
    I feel strongly I could be either a wolf or werewolf therian / theriomythic. Im sorry if any terminology is wrong in my comment, Im still learning a lot of things. I do feel a very strong connection towards wolves, but it is more than just that for me. These are feelings and experiences Ive had since I was very young. Im just trying to figure it all out since I had no clue any of these behaviors could have terms like being a therian / otherkin / otherhearted and so on. The shifts do continue to this day, though have slowed down do to physical illness and injuries Ive had where I cant be as active anymore. I dont 100% identify as a therian (as of right now) but Im doing my best to research if I actually could be or if it is something else, but I didnt just throw myself headfirst into the therian community and label.

    • @puddytat9752
      @puddytat9752 3 місяці тому

      I feel like I'm in such a similar boat to you. Have you come to any further conclusion yet?

  • @tiktik6367
    @tiktik6367 6 місяців тому +4

    I don't think I'm a therian but it's kind of weird because I've always had species dysphoria, including the following:
    -wishing i had a tail to show emotions
    -wanting digitigrade legs since i learned what they were
    -wanting to be able to move my ears more
    -wishing i could identify things by smell
    -wanting claws to grip better and maybe stab people, just a little

  • @chunkythetheirien
    @chunkythetheirien 6 місяців тому +1

    hi I've been watching ur vids and i just wan to say i love ur vids and ur intro

  • @aikocatt
    @aikocatt 5 місяців тому +1

    I am a Otherheart but i still think that i would be therian...
    3 months ago i saw the word "therian" and i really wanted to know what it means ( i saw one YT a therian tiktok compilation ), so i got on Google to see what it means, bc i was like: Oh! These people with masks and doing... running in 4 "paws" look so cool! I might be one too!😀
    Alfter i found out what a therian is and i started thinkig of what animal i relate to😭
    The first animal that came to mind was a cat bc they are my fav animals!😭
    I started thinking that i like doing cat vocals, pretending to be a cat, having those 2 mods that a cat have ( aka Love me🌸 and Leave me the hell alone👹 ), and yeah...
    But now i realise that i was doing these things bc i liked cats...
    Back then i said that i'm therian bc i had A sTrOnG coNneCtIon with them😭👹
    And do you know the first thing i did after "finding out that i'm a therian" ?
    QUADORBICS ofc!!😭😭😭
    I almost broke my hand trying to
    do a high jump!😭
    However... Here is anorther little "story" that i think i should say:
    When i was like 7-8 years old i LOVED to pretend to be a chetah with my cousins! Everytime we would meet at my grandma's appartemnt we would pretend to be chetahs and run around in "4 paws". And always it would be the same story: We got captured at a zoo and we we're trying to escape.
    Well, me, while doing this sometimes i had some bi-location shifts, where i would see myself as a chetah in the wild when we're "escape" from the zoo.
    We used to pretend to be eagles too, and again i could see myself in the den as a eagle...
    Idk what to think about these "shift" tho.... Maybe it was only my imagination making me somehow see how the place would look if we were in the actual wild ik?
    Right now i am a catkith :)
    But i LOVE doing quadorobics and wearing gear and i can see how i would look as a cat.... ( One time i was just chilling and not doing anything and i had a "vision" where i was a brown short haired cat and walking in a town. I had that for like 1 sec )
    I somehow indetify as a cat a lil bit but idk
    I can't say i'm a therian bc the things i experienced is actually not theriantropy and to be safe i only say i'm a catkith because all the cat related things i did ( i still do ) are just bc i really like cats....
    ( Sometimes when i walk in my house i feel like walking on 4 paws and sometimes it feels more comfortable, and this come natural )
    I need someones opinion about this and i think the best one is from an actual therian!
    Btw i love your videos😭 they help so much!!!😭

  • @alexcats7308
    @alexcats7308 6 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for this, some of my friends have claimed that they are therians but actually aren’t

  • @-Unknown-._.469
    @-Unknown-._.469 6 місяців тому +3

    I just wanna say sorry that I might have been direspectefull I was just lost in the community, I was just finding myself, even with research I was still doubting and I still doubt...
    So I still do research, that why I came in you're videos, now I feel ashamed of thinking that I might be a therian just because of my past act (hissing and more) I'm still confused with all the list...
    So, I'm sorry again

  • @bandit.therian
    @bandit.therian 6 місяців тому +1

    I TOTALLY AGREE!!
    I KNOW A FAKE THERIAN TOO 😢
    I know I'm a Therian (2 years of research)
    So it's insane to see someone who fake identity is actually mad.

  • @CosmicRetriever
    @CosmicRetriever 6 місяців тому

    I'm a therian and you just got a new sub

  • @5h1mm3r_kat_b0y
    @5h1mm3r_kat_b0y 6 місяців тому +1

    At one point I I was faking being a therian until the point where I gaslighted myself into believing I actually was for a while I genuinely felt like I was actually a therian until this Rush of guilt came over me realizing I truly wasn't I'd never experienced animalistic Behavior I've experienced Phantom shifts only because I wear tails I found I was using my identity as more of a coping mechanism it was peaceful for me to act on these animals behaviors overtime I just genuinely started feeling worse about the fact that I was faking it I searched up several other identities and found coping link and that's how I found out I was a coping link :)

  • @cauli_the_therian
    @cauli_the_therian 6 місяців тому +1

    This rrminds me of when i was chatting about furries with this person in roblox and i mentioned that i m also a therian and the person knew that you cant choose it but said she wanted to be a therian and i just immideatly went like "no you dont"

  • @Cloud_Eats_IceCream
    @Cloud_Eats_IceCream 6 місяців тому +1

    As a therian who knows that they are %100 a therian, I agree. While I think that I'm a fox and bat therian, I'm still in the research phase and I'm not sure if those are really my theriotypes. Thank you for the reminder to do your reaserch.
    (btw, I really liked your stream Thorn, you should do more.)
    Edit: I talked to a quadrobics buddy about alterhumans, and she immediately thought that she too, was a therian because she does quadrobics with me. But because she is very closed minded, its really hard to try to explain what alterhumans really are to her. And its starting to get very annoying. Any advice?

  • @bethanymacdonald1389
    @bethanymacdonald1389 6 місяців тому +1

    its the middle of the night, i got woken up by the notification 😂❤

  • @shelbym.6862
    @shelbym.6862 6 місяців тому

    Question here! This is about levels of integration.
    So as an adult alterhuman, I find that my shifts aren’t as intense now. The longest I’ll feel them is for 3-4 days. My common type of shift are dream shifts nowadays. I still cringe when being associated with humans and I feel more comfortable with wolves (theriotype.)
    Nowadays meditation seems to work to have voluntary shifts for myself. I imagine myself as my wolf side and boom. I have shifts after. Intensity depends.
    I did have something interesting happen though. When I first focused on my wolf side through meditation I did it for an hour or 2. The day after, I felt something in my mind push forward. It wasn’t me but it was something else? I felt it like push forward, felt it needing to protect me, and I was mentally shifted. I was afraid of this thing. I called it my “inner wolf” at the time but I realize that it was me? Idk. It’s been confusing for the past 3-4 years. The wolf wanted to “take over” too.
    What is the meaning of this? I used to feel this ..being or thing in my mind when I awakened but I no longer feel it.

  • @Party-parade
    @Party-parade 6 місяців тому +1

    People who fake therianthropy remind me of endogenics who claim they can "make a system"... as someone who is both therian and has DID, I completely understand the feeling of how frustrating it is when people don't take you seriously because of the people who insist they can just "become" these things... so infuriating!

  • @JeffPepin-yj8gy
    @JeffPepin-yj8gy 6 місяців тому +1

    Yesss so early!

  • @PixelStarzzz
    @PixelStarzzz 6 місяців тому

    The masculine voice 😻😻😻😻 I love it

  • @B33tle_c0rpse
    @B33tle_c0rpse 6 місяців тому

    Underrated video.

  • @valafarcedricsmith
    @valafarcedricsmith 6 місяців тому

    Agreed! I was wondering though if you have any plans to talk about what's going on in Palestine currently. I know it's not therianthropy related, but there's a blackout and genocide happening to a lot of people including children.

  • @WillowTheTherian184
    @WillowTheTherian184 4 місяці тому +1

    I have a fake therian friend (another real one tho) and it's really hurtful because I have all the evidence in my head and I know I should confront her but I'm terrible at confrontation, so while me and my (unaware) therian friend are venting our hearts out to each other she's joining in like she understands our species dysphoria, self-hatred etc... And yes I am sure that she's a faker. I have tons of evidence that cannot be explained except for the fact that she's a fake. It hurts a lot.

  • @Siekotherian71113
    @Siekotherian71113 6 місяців тому

    HELP i am doing reserch on therianotherpy (i have no clue if i spelt that right) and i dont know where to start or what to serch can someone please help me.

  • @user-re6zh5gz5m
    @user-re6zh5gz5m 6 місяців тому +2

    i hate beaing a therain nowadays.... i tell someone and there like oh yea me to i chose cat and i do quads and have a mask. Like im a therain and i dont have any gear except my tail to help with dysphoria beaing a therain isnt just quads and gear.

  • @sl3epystarz
    @sl3epystarz 6 місяців тому +3

    honestly, i agree. (still gotta get used to ur deep vooce XD) the therian/otherkin/alterhuman community has become ‘if u cant do a 3 meter high jumpy jump youre not cool >v

  • @vF0restYT
    @vF0restYT 6 місяців тому +3

    Amazing

    • @user-tu5kr5zk7r
      @user-tu5kr5zk7r 6 місяців тому

      19 seconds ago??

    • @vF0restYT
      @vF0restYT 6 місяців тому

      @@user-tu5kr5zk7r 15 minutes ago

  • @singleladies7371
    @singleladies7371 5 місяців тому +1

    Hey! Can anyone help with this? I’ve had a feeling I’m a therian for a while now, but I’m not entirely sure. I often experience animalistic urges, such as chewing in things, animal noises, ect. I sometime involuntarily make an animal noise in response to things. When I do wuadrobics, it feels… right? I’m not sure how to explain it. I have a deep desire to be able to run like an animal or do things animals can but I’m unable to. I have done a lot of meditations and I often get imagery of forests and snow, along with fluffy paws and tail. My ears would be on top of my head, and I’d have a muzzle. Any advice?

    • @OttoMote
      @OttoMote 5 місяців тому

      Do you, on some level that's not physical, identify as an animal?
      Do you believe/feel you have the soul/mind of an animal?

  • @zysole
    @zysole 6 місяців тому +1

    I totally agree i myself am a new awakened therian who has been trough this identity and experience my whole life. I got bullied for my involuntary experiences before i even knew abt this identity… seeing that there are fakers gives me good but mainly bad feelings the only good thing is that there are people that want to be like us who respect us who like us this gives me better self esteem as a therian who has low self esteem. The bad thing is that i have finally found a community exactly like me and gets me but this community doesn’t feel real. Almost everyone i meet is fake. It went to oh u are a therian cool lets be friends to oh u are a therian? How did you know what exactly is a therian enz its kinda sad.

    • @zysole
      @zysole 6 місяців тому +1

      And also the fact that these people dont go trough what we do. No bullying, no species dysp, no nothing…

  • @Paw_bonezzYT
    @Paw_bonezzYT 6 місяців тому

    Before i knew i was a therian,i did researches that started from the 8 of may to the 12 of july.

  • @Ash11ko_El.
    @Ash11ko_El. 6 місяців тому +2

    I really agree with this video as many people don’t do any researchs and it’s tiring. But i just have one question as i’m kinda fearing i’m a fake, If i feel more comfortable with a animal identity, feel some phantom limbs sometimes, And actually feel like i’m in the wrong body am i an actual therian or something else? I’m really sorry but i’m honestly kinda confused even with the researchs i took- anyways take care!!

  • @PouchyTheCanadianAlpaca
    @PouchyTheCanadianAlpaca 6 місяців тому

    I think im a cat therian!(a Ragamuffin to be exact)because i act alot like it and have its traits ,i also noticed i had kinda cat behavior,like sometimes i sleep like one,I meow or even hiss for no reason too.I am not sure though i still gotta confirm it.

  • @Robloxshortskind_
    @Robloxshortskind_ 5 місяців тому

    @TherianTerrittory I have a question on the difference of psychological Therians and spiritual Therians, what is the difference?

    • @OttoMote
      @OttoMote 5 місяців тому

      Spiritual therians believe they have the soul of an animal _(past life, misplaced soul, dual soul, walk-in, etc.)_
      Psychological therians believe they have the mind of an animal _(imprinting, trauma, neurodivergence, identity formation, etc.)_

  • @Fynn_The_Only_One
    @Fynn_The_Only_One 6 місяців тому

    Yeah Fr like there’s this girl in my class saw me doing quadrobics and she knew about Therians so she tried doing quadrobics and she was like: “I’m definitely a therian” and I’m like what?!

  • @moonrock5535
    @moonrock5535 6 місяців тому +2

    Personally I still think that it is a spiritual and psychological connection because, I know someone in real life that is also a therian and that is how they think, plus there is kind of a divide between that, plus you can identify as a animal when you are a spiritual therian

    • @LycanLamb
      @LycanLamb 6 місяців тому +2

      It can have a connection! But If it's *Just* a connection then it's not therianthropy, it could be otherheart, otherlink(in some cases) or synpath

    • @TherianTerritory
      @TherianTerritory  6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@LycanLambOtherhearted* /info

  • @CelestialOnPaws
    @CelestialOnPaws 4 місяці тому

    Honestly, I have every reason to being a therian- however, it’s rather hard for me to take that in. My family and friends don’t accept them, but I have experience and identity, etc. for people to be faking it is kind of annoying. It’s a struggle for me.

  • @sp1ral3d_ro0ts
    @sp1ral3d_ro0ts 5 місяців тому +1

    Im actually not sure if im therian, im trying to figure it out and i dont want to seem like a faker so it’s difficult to ask around. Im not sure of my theriotype, if i even have one… i do sometimes have phantom limbs, mainly ears, i have been trying quads, ive never had shifts. Any help? 😭

  • @ebonysprowlingpawz
    @ebonysprowlingpawz 6 місяців тому +1

    As someone who has very bad mental health I say things to myself like, you are not a therian, stop faking,you don’t even have shifts.

  • @Ash_2411
    @Ash_2411 6 місяців тому +1

    So I have a question !!
    -What therians (like Cat,Lynx,Wolf) experiences ?
    (I am a therian (little questioning my self) I experinces the masage (like cats do with their paws) and I wanna know that what else people is experiencesing ) (bad English!)