The Chilling Case of John Wayne Glover: The Mosman Granny Killer

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  • @jasa_TheRealOne
    @jasa_TheRealOne Рік тому +601

    This has got to be one of the most frustrating cases just because of how many people innocently destroyed the crime scenes.

    • @bannankev
      @bannankev Рік тому +9

      I agree. But we have to remember the time it takes place and remember not every country is as developed like the US. With technology on our side doing most of the “Dirty” work. Those people probably genuinely thought they were doing something good. Hindsight and ya ya …

    • @thatdamncrow9197
      @thatdamncrow9197 Рік тому +21

      @@bannankev havent watched the video yet but like if they arent police then it does not require current day science to know messing with a crime scene is bad

    • @598019001
      @598019001 Рік тому +28

      I think I was going to go insane before Maggie finally recognized a crime scene and kept it intact for the poor police.
      I feel like I'm going mad hearing how the crime scene was cleaned 5 times in a row, but I can't even imagine how absolutely maddening it must have been for the poor cops. They were doing really good policing from the sounds of it, they just had absolutely nothing to go on because of these damn crime scene cleanings except the wounds on the victims.

    • @janetpendlebury6808
      @janetpendlebury6808 Рік тому +16

      @@thatdamncrow9197 They did not know it was a crime scene, they just thought it was another elderly lady who had a fall.

    • @thatdamncrow9197
      @thatdamncrow9197 Рік тому +16

      @@janetpendlebury6808 yea i can understand the first time
      But the 3rd and 4th??

  • @xcc9162
    @xcc9162 Рік тому +2199

    If I had a nickel for every time a guy named John Wayne turned out to be a horrible serial killer I would have two nickels, which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened twice.

    • @RubyBlueUwU
      @RubyBlueUwU Рік тому +162

      John Wayne G. specifically too!

    • @pyromania1018
      @pyromania1018 Рік тому +27

      Can't be a coincidence.

    • @theindigollama
      @theindigollama Рік тому +86

      There's probably a lot more, we just don't know about them. John Wayne was a popular actor. A lot of children were named after him.

    • @Robbo-mx8nn
      @Robbo-mx8nn Рік тому +98

      I heard the OG John Wayne would massacre a steak and a pack of Marlboro’s regularly

    • @Shaeniff
      @Shaeniff Рік тому +46

      Good use of a Dr Doofenschmirtz/Phineas and Ferb paraphrase. Would have been that much better with a nod to the source. Absolutely true for this coincidence.

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue Рік тому +312

    Apparently, we might need another set of rules for what witnesses should/shouldn't do. Top of it should probably be, "Don't clean up a potential crime scene."

    • @brigidtheirish
      @brigidtheirish Рік тому +21

      Second rule: *"DON'T CLEAN UP A POTENTIAL CRIME SCENE."*

    • @almitrahopkins1873
      @almitrahopkins1873 Рік тому +15

      @@brigidtheirish same as the third rule: Don’t clean up the fucking crime scene.

    • @censusgary
      @censusgary Рік тому +5

      Are there that many people who’ve never seen a police procedural movie or TV show, and never read a detective novel?

    • @janetpendlebury6808
      @janetpendlebury6808 Рік тому +3

      @@censusgary This was over 30 years ago, before the internet and rapid spread of news. Old ladies very often have falls and you dont imagine they are murder victims. The murders were months apart, and in different suburbs.

    • @nfg_racing7968
      @nfg_racing7968 Рік тому +4

      ​@@censusgaryWTF is this Novel you speak of is it one of those ancient texts people are always decoding lol no but it kind of feels like that nowadays

  • @danidavis7912
    @danidavis7912 Рік тому +176

    It's unbelievable that by the 3rd murder, people weren't made aware to NOT CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE!! Back in the late 70s some friends and I came upon a crime scene in the woods. My brother shouted for everyone to stop in their tracks and to back out exactly the way we came in so as not to further contaminate the scene for the cops. It's just common sense. Good grief.

    • @bezllama3325
      @bezllama3325 Рік тому +3

      Was that crime ever solved?

    • @richardtherichard26
      @richardtherichard26 Рік тому

      Fucking infuriating. Like “oh yea we know there’s a killer targeting elderly women. So WHY did we hose down the evidence then? Oh well I guess when we saw the old lady laying there we just figured we should clean up instead of doing something actually useful” like what type of stupid motherfuckers

    • @danidavis7912
      @danidavis7912 Рік тому +10

      @@bezllama3325 It was solved by DNA a number of years ago.

    • @katnumn
      @katnumn 11 місяців тому +1

      I'm glad the victims and families were able to find closure, I would think it would have been common knowledge to leave a crime scene undisturbed in the past but not many people were made aware, and some just would come in anyways because of disturbing curiosity and ruin any chance of solving the crime.

    • @darkstarr984
      @darkstarr984 4 місяці тому +2

      I would back out of a crime scene I came across to avoid any possibility of being a suspect, but my family has been monitored by police before on suspicion of drug trafficking.

  • @kaialexander6806
    @kaialexander6806 Рік тому +141

    On the note of poorer policing in poorer areas, I'm from one of the poorest areas in the UK and I have seen a lot of awful policing. I could list a lot of really depressing examples of it, but I'd rather include my favourite instance of it which is an anecdote I will tell until I die, because the police round here got the funding for a new police station and when they built it, they forgot to include holding cells.
    For a long while round here, they'd process you at one police station and then you'd be driven to another one to be put in a holding cell.
    First time my mom told me, I genuinely thought she was joking because if you wrote it as satire, I'd think that's a bit too extreme, isn't it? But nope, they just straight up forgot it.

    • @darkermatter125.35
      @darkermatter125.35 Рік тому

      We just had very corrupt police. They said to our faces that there were no drugs in our area anymore, meanwhile someone was dealing down the street. Even as a very young child I knew where the drugs were. I knew where the meth houses were. No idea what it looked like cuz my parents were very religious lol. I can't name more than maybe... 3? Harry Potter characters bc of the religious shit but I can spot a drug deal. The cops also escorted a woman back to be SA'd by a star athlete. And every month they wrote tickets in the same places to get their ticket quotas.

    • @jessgunn6639
      @jessgunn6639 Рік тому +14

      i live in a small town and in the 80`s every one got excited when we got a new police car which was way bigger than the old one because it meant there would be more room for us in it coming back from the pub! it really was just a glorified can service lol

    • @jasonhare8540
      @jasonhare8540 Рік тому +5

      Same thing here in the States . In my neighborhood if you call the police the police are likely to be as much of a danger to you as the original threat if you're not immediately identified as the caller . Even then it might not help .
      Then they like to pull stunts like forget you're in holding for an extra 2 weeks just because they don't like you . Sorry if the mentally ill person improperly held for longer than was ordered was acting up officer ....

    • @Pushing_Pixels
      @Pushing_Pixels Рік тому +1

      The police exist to protect rich people. They don't give a shit about poor people and consider dealing with the crimes that affect them a nuisance.

    • @ohno4861
      @ohno4861 Рік тому +3

      Guys would break out of my small towns holding cells for court all the time. They attually had to station guys around the building to round up the escapees. Cause every day at least one Dude would figure it out.
      Seriously all you had to do was flood your cell and jump down the laundry shoot.

  • @Quesadillius
    @Quesadillius Рік тому +337

    I can't help but imagine all the neighbors and nurses being so satisfied with themselves when they tell the police, "Yea mate there was a bunch of blood here but don't worry, we cleaned it all up so it wasn't an eye sore."

    • @liarwithagun
      @liarwithagun Рік тому +64

      You'd think by the third time a public announcement would have been made to tell the public to stop messing with blood when they find old ladies injured or dead.

    • @MrSocko-bh1jb
      @MrSocko-bh1jb Рік тому +3

      CSI just got so much better...

    • @ecmorgan69
      @ecmorgan69 Рік тому +4

      @@liarwithagunLOL You’d think, right? 🙄

    • @notsae66
      @notsae66 Рік тому +15

      I can just imagine throwing my police cap on the ground and ranting about hating civilians after having that happen.

    • @SuperKendoman
      @SuperKendoman Рік тому +9

      @@notsae66 The 1st known book on forensics was written in Ancient China, in it the author has put guidelines to follow and how to prevent civilians from contaminating the crime scene by using rope to secure a parameter around the body and area where the crime took place. It's called Collected Cases of Injustice Rectified. It was even translated it many different languages and made it's way into other countries via the silk road. It's a very good book and well worth a read for anyone who is interested in history and how crimes were solved back then. Without proper evidence often times people who were at the wrong place and wrong time were accused of committing crimes and unjustly punished for it.

  • @OfNeuronsandElectric
    @OfNeuronsandElectric Рік тому +86

    Just saw a Netflix docuseries on the Texas Killing Field and I'd love to see how the casual criminalist does the story

  • @trishapellis
    @trishapellis Рік тому +102

    Yes, men can get breast cancer.
    The fact that both his mother and him developed it makes me wonder if they may have had one of the BRCA genes (literally BReast CAncer), because that does make it a lot more likely for anyone to get the disease, and obviously a lot more likely for it to occur in the same bloodline.

    • @emilemig5
      @emilemig5 Рік тому +6

      My thoughts exactly! Especially after having been recently diagnosed with it :|

    • @PraiseTheFSMonster
      @PraiseTheFSMonster Рік тому +3

      Duh, it's hereditary.

    • @theConquerersMama
      @theConquerersMama Рік тому +1

      @@emilemig5 sending some good vibes your way. I hope you kick C's ass & lead a long life of good health.

    • @jessicascoullar3737
      @jessicascoullar3737 Рік тому +4

      @@emilemig5 hope you are doing ok.

    • @emilemig5
      @emilemig5 Рік тому +4

      @@jessicascoullar3737 I'm fine.. The BRCA gene luckily doesn't equal cancer, it just means I have a greater chance of developing it.. so I'm just a bit extra careful about looking out for symptoms 😌

  • @MorganHorse
    @MorganHorse Рік тому +24

    My grandfather recently got diagnosed with Alzheimer’s/Dementia and it’s heartbreaking. He’s still him but not quite the same. I’m sorry for your losses, Simon. It sucks.

  • @rosiemichell5781
    @rosiemichell5781 Рік тому +63

    I live in Melbourne and man I do love when y’all cover Australian cases.
    Also Chris over here just kicking goals with not only relating this case so well, but adding in the perfect amount of Straya

    • @amandawalker7739
      @amandawalker7739 Рік тому +1

      @@Amlaeuxrai Australian for Australia.

    • @ComedorDelrico
      @ComedorDelrico Рік тому

      @@amandawalker7739 I think you mean Au-straya-n ;)

    • @jackvos8047
      @jackvos8047 Рік тому

      I thought it sounded familiar when I clicked.
      Simon's pronunciation of Mosman tho 🙄

  • @OfNeuronsandElectric
    @OfNeuronsandElectric Рік тому +99

    Every time the crime scene gets hosed down my blood pressure rises oh my god

    • @annemettefrederiksen7751
      @annemettefrederiksen7751 Рік тому +12

      Excatly, who cleans blood away when the victim is still lying there? Dead or not, its ridiculus even without knowledge of crime scenes, people dont do this..

    • @ecmorgan69
      @ecmorgan69 Рік тому +3

      @@annemettefrederiksen7751Apparently Aussies didn’t get the memo. 😆

    • @pinkbubblesnake
      @pinkbubblesnake Рік тому +3

      I really feel like alot of people in this story had the "but that could never happen around me" denial thought process

  • @casadilla111
    @casadilla111 Рік тому +67

    9:03- I have a friend who’s recognized expert in criminology so all he does is literally study human and criminal behavior through statistics and studies, and he’s said in the past that this is more or less spot on. The higher income areas have higher budgets and therefore, as you’d mentioned earlier, better service. The lower income areas, which need better community outreach and law enforcement presence have lower budgets and consequently worse service.

    • @ardenalexa94
      @ardenalexa94 Рік тому +5

      And often can’t afford alarm systems and etc which could also help protect you against certain types of crimes.

    • @ardenalexa94
      @ardenalexa94 Рік тому +3

      Has your cousin written any books? Criminology always fascinates me.

    • @lisapop5219
      @lisapop5219 Рік тому

      What country was this in?

    • @Bethgael
      @Bethgael Рік тому +4

      Having said this, in Australia, police funding is done on a State, not Council, budget so this theoretically should not be the case. [Also interested in who this is; maybe I read their stuff during my criminology undergrad? :D ]

    • @casadilla111
      @casadilla111 Рік тому +7

      @@Bethgael Christopher Cassity (not to be confused with Cassidy, the astronaut) He’s spoken at a couple big conferences in Chicago, IL in the last year or two. He’s currently with the University of Florida Tallahassee. Really great and extremely intelligent guy, I believe he’s going to have a couple big things published in the next year or two so I’d highly recommend you keep an eye out!

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 Рік тому +41

    3:00 - Chapter 1 - Thinking the unthinkable
    18:15 - Chapter 2 - An eyewitness & a change of scenery
    29:20 - Chapter 3 - A house call & "old man" shoes
    36:40 - Chapter 4 - The grey haired man
    47:20 - Chapter 5 - Endgame
    1:03:30 - Chapter 6 - How many murders ?
    1:09:50 - Dismembered appendices

    • @wraithyoshidj6702
      @wraithyoshidj6702 Рік тому +2

      Oooh t exagère 😜😂😂

    • @ignitionfrn2223
      @ignitionfrn2223 Рік тому +2

      @@wraithyoshidj6702 Disons juste que je fais les sommaires de pas mal de vidéos en même temps et que je fétais un évènement spécial hier qui m'a fait revenir chez moi très tard.
      Un peu de patience et je finis celui de la vidéo😘

    • @wraithyoshidj6702
      @wraithyoshidj6702 Рік тому +1

      @@ignitionfrn2223 non Mais j imagine bien tkt, en plus quand il fait de longue vidéos c est pas évident tard le soir. Bon boulot en tout cas mec 💪🏽💪🏽

    • @ignitionfrn2223
      @ignitionfrn2223 Рік тому +2

      @@wraithyoshidj6702 Il m'a fait un compliment sur son épisode de Casual Criminalist dédié à Stockholm (vers 53:45)

    • @wraithyoshidj6702
      @wraithyoshidj6702 Рік тому +1

      @@ignitionfrn2223 nice, je vais check ça c est cool

  • @pgbrown12084
    @pgbrown12084 Рік тому +72

    "There's been a murder of a sr citizen"
    "It was one of those filthy teenagers on their wheeled devil planks!"

  • @amandabrown4022
    @amandabrown4022 Рік тому +20

    My great grandma was 102 and she had dementia. She died in 2020. It broke my heart watching someone I loved so much fade away in front of my eyes. Also she was called Gwendolen...

  • @dlantoo
    @dlantoo Рік тому +11

    Simon, I am a theatre professional in the US and for the past 2 months, I have been educated, moved, entertained and touched by your efforts with The Casual Criminalists on UA-cam. What a joy to hear well-written short stories by your guest writers and your deliverance of them is a joy. I must say I was most touched with your humanity at the conclusion of the John Wayne Gacy presentation. Today, i finally subscribed and wanted to reach out and thank you and your team!

  • @madalynnr9940
    @madalynnr9940 Рік тому +73

    A part of me now really wants one of the writers to find a Czech case to write about..... The other part of me wants to preserve Simon's mental health...

    • @krtek1500
      @krtek1500 Рік тому +8

      They have one. Beast of Senec.

    • @ecmorgan69
      @ecmorgan69 Рік тому +3

      Yeah, but that would require Danny and Callum to escape from Simon’s basement. 😂

  • @wonky_shoebox7514
    @wonky_shoebox7514 Рік тому +222

    Either Simon doesn't sleep or his family doesn't see him. He's got a crazy amount of channels! Props to his poor research teams, editors etc!

    • @pakde8002
      @pakde8002 Рік тому +23

      Amazing casual criminalist is almost at 400k subscribers. Seems like it started just a few months ago.

    • @mercyjokes2d696
      @mercyjokes2d696 Рік тому +1

      The basement dwellers are more likely hostages at this point....

    • @bannankev
      @bannankev Рік тому +49

      YOU assume he has children and a Family. How do we not know they are figments of his imagination? A man working this hard would have some sort of confusion and crazy thoughts. Got like 10 youtube channels and uploads pretty much all day round between them all. I would imagine a family of my own at some point as well. 😂

    • @wonky_shoebox7514
      @wonky_shoebox7514 Рік тому +35

      @@bannankev either he named his camera and lighting equipment and assigned them familial roles, or he's figured out the key to human cloning and has a Simon for every channel! An interesting script for Decoding the Unknown... has Simon cloned himself in pursuit of his dream to dominate UA-cam?!

    • @karenelizabeth1590
      @karenelizabeth1590 Рік тому +28

      It turns out that the writers are locked in a sub-basement. Simon is the one locked in the basement.

  • @PeachM0de
    @PeachM0de Рік тому +31

    It honestly makes more sense that it was older gentleman. That’s how he got in and out so easily; he blended in/looked like he was meant to be there. Thank you Chris and Jen for putting this episode together.

  • @blackbird_entropy
    @blackbird_entropy Рік тому +87

    Jen really went to town on the editing with this one. It's both funny and sleek, and truly adds to the ✨viewing experience✨
    Edit: also Luis! Must have missed the name

  • @RubyBlueUwU
    @RubyBlueUwU Рік тому +34

    Man I think the, like, 3rd time the washing of the crime scene happened there needed to be a PSA telling people to stop doing that immediately until the area had been checked and like…start fining people for it or something.

  • @mundanethings6845
    @mundanethings6845 Рік тому +10

    Simon calling the killer "f*ck face" was my favorite part of this one. My sentiments exactly, Fact Boi.

  • @williebauld1007
    @williebauld1007 Рік тому +46

    It's not a proper Friday night without a CasCrim episode of murder and mayhem

    • @camoakes976
      @camoakes976 Рік тому +3

      In my time zone, it's more like a proper Friday lunch break. The perfect time for a gruesome murder story!

    • @banme2784
      @banme2784 Рік тому

      Why does Simon keep getting people to murder people on fridays just so he can have content? It’s wrong 😮😢

    • @banme2784
      @banme2784 Рік тому +1

      This is a *joke*

  • @clintonwashington8609
    @clintonwashington8609 Рік тому +54

    9:43 I love how Simon gets sidetracked and realizes he’s pretty much on the same page as everyone with a shred of empathy and respect for their fellow humans. There’s hope for you yet.

    • @robertwalker-smith2739
      @robertwalker-smith2739 Рік тому +12

      He's admirably distressed by the eventualities of crime. Despite repeated exposure, his reactions to murder are those of a normal person.

    • @waynesteffen3262
      @waynesteffen3262 Рік тому +5

      Part of his charm!

  • @megansslore
    @megansslore Рік тому +18

    I get genuinely excited when I see a new episode & CasCrim never fails. Bless you Simon, Chris, Jen, & the rest of the team for all your hard work & dedication! Absolute legends 💖

  • @BeakerInShortShorts
    @BeakerInShortShorts Рік тому +20

    I completely agree with you Simon that compassionate release is an affront to every victim, their families, their loved ones etc. Disgusting

  • @manasijpalchowdhury4761
    @manasijpalchowdhury4761 Рік тому +23

    You should do one on the Lockerbie Bomber sometimes since you bring him up often with regard to compassionate release. There are often suggestions about his innocence, including from some of the victim support groups. I don't know much about the details, so will be curious what your research brings up.

    • @manasijpalchowdhury4761
      @manasijpalchowdhury4761 Рік тому +2

      Just to clarify, AFAIK the court of appeals rejected the innocence claims, but it's still curious that so many, including families of victims, gave that notion at least some credence.

  • @wolfvontyr2266
    @wolfvontyr2266 Рік тому +14

    AND THANK YOU JEN.
    Simon mentioned in the last video that he had recorded another CasCrim before this one, and he forgot to thank Jen. I love the new titles and graphics too, by the way. Makes everything feel fancier, higher production values. Neat!
    35:05 - Chris wears the only shoes anyone will ever need... Vessi.
    I enjoy the Australian ones, being Australian myself doesn't help, so here's a few suggestions. Paul Denyer, Peter Dupas, and if you REALLY want to give Simon some Hello Kitty level nightmares... the Snowtown Killers.

    • @swymaj02
      @swymaj02 Рік тому +2

      I remember coming across Snowtown in 2 vids. Don't wanna think about them.

    • @wolfvontyr2266
      @wolfvontyr2266 Рік тому

      @@swymaj02 Ohhh yeah. I hadn't heard of it until last year and good goddamn!

  • @mongolia3247
    @mongolia3247 Рік тому +52

    Since you did one Australian case, why not another? I personally would recommend the story of Mr. Cruel. He remains uncaptured to this day and I would love to see what you think of his case. Keep up the great work!

    • @miketobias1821
      @miketobias1821 Рік тому +2

      I've heard of Mr. Cruel. That would be an awesome episode. 👍👍✌✌

    • @HavianEla
      @HavianEla Рік тому +3

      I don’t know if Simon would be able to handle that one. He got that name for a reason, after all!

    • @jackryan4313
      @jackryan4313 Рік тому

      @@HavianEla did you not see the one about the dude who raped and killed 300ish girls aged 8-12?

    • @leafbean5543
      @leafbean5543 Рік тому +1

      Would love to see this too :))

    • @longdongjohn6588
      @longdongjohn6588 Рік тому

      The Graeme Thorne case would be another good one.

  • @lathenhertel8564
    @lathenhertel8564 Рік тому +6

    I love how Simon's tangents have their own theme music 🤣🤣

  • @wonky_shoebox7514
    @wonky_shoebox7514 Рік тому +39

    Dunblane is in Scotland, not Ireland, but we (the irish) share similar town names, probably due to sharing mother tongues of similar origins. I don't speak Scots Gaelic but I speak Irish fluently and can understand a lot of Scots Gaelic when I hear it spoken.
    Ireland is the country with a town called Muff, home to Irelands oldest diving club *cue immature giggles*

    • @calebbean1384
      @calebbean1384 Рік тому +1

      Isn't Manx similar to Gaelic as well?

    • @wonky_shoebox7514
      @wonky_shoebox7514 Рік тому +1

      @@calebbean1384 yeah they all come from the same root tongue, I think Welsh and Cornish are in that category too. If you read up on the island of Montserrat in the carribeann, their language is actually heavily influenced by Irish too (in Ireland we just call it Irish, not Gaelic, it can be confusing to people from other countries) as Irish people were shipped there as slaves. Those Irish people intermarriage with the locals, today you'd find that Irish surnames are common, blue eyes are common, they have a sign saying "welcome to the Emerald Isle" and St. Patrick's Day is an official holiday!

    • @claireecarroll691
      @claireecarroll691 Рік тому

      I mo thuairimse rinne sé botún mór ansin. Nach raibh an tragóid i Dunblane fíor cáiliúl?

    • @wonky_shoebox7514
      @wonky_shoebox7514 Рік тому +1

      @@claireecarroll691 Níl fhios again ach tá sé an tragóid

    • @wonky_shoebox7514
      @wonky_shoebox7514 Рік тому +1

      @@claireecarroll691 I learned to speak Irish from my grandfather but my written Irish is despicable, mainly due to the Irish school system and terrible teachers! The Modh Choinníollach (is that spelt correctly?!) still gives me nightmares!

  • @allie5
    @allie5 Рік тому +16

    A quick note on the “military shoes” thing. I spent ten years in the British army and my husband is still serving now. Within the first year you learn that every single thing you do, from drill to adventure training is reliant on your feet! Sore/blistered/uncared for feet do not make your life any easier. The British army certainly works on a “cheapest contract bid” basis and what you are generally issued only works if you have 100% generic and perfect feet/hips/spine etc. The rest of us quickly have to research and find the right footwear to support the tasks we are doing! So you can end up with a pretty intimate knowledge of your own conformation and what support you need. This tends to come in the form of specialist footwear for different tasks. Then when you leave the military you realise your service has completely screwed every joint in your body and you now need orthopaedic “granny shoes” just to function on a day to day basis! Maybe even more specialist if you want to continue hobbies the military introduced you to. Teva sandals might be the ugliest things know to mankind but they are great for water sports! It’s true you can usually spot ex-military just from a quick glance but the shoes are a massive part of that!

  • @taramay000
    @taramay000 Рік тому +5

    My Grandma lived alone in Mosman at the time. We didn’t live far away and I remember how panicked my Mum was. She wouldn’t let her go out alone AT ALL. We were there pretty much every afternoon and weekend to take her out. A huge relief when it was all over.

  • @corvidsRcool
    @corvidsRcool Рік тому +12

    I'm not sure letting the last murder happen is the biggest mistake the cops made in this case (although if that was my family member, it would be). I think it was not using all that press coverage to make it perfectly clear to the public to stop cleaning up bloody scenes, no matter what they *think* happened. Call the police first and let them tell you if/when you can clean up.

  • @Nina-rj4nu
    @Nina-rj4nu Рік тому +29

    As a woman, I had always been told to change my daily habits. Never walk the same way to work or to the shops. Change days of going to the gym or that cafe I like so well. Never check your mailbox (apt. living) on the way into your home. Never walk on 'lonely' streets and stay off the roadside when walking on footpaths. Actually, there was a long list but being taught young just made it all a force of habit. It is unfortunate, but as a female, one must take extra precautions. It does not make it right, only necessary.

    • @rebeccarakuza2845
      @rebeccarakuza2845 9 місяців тому +3

      Agreed. Same here. Also avoid parking garages. And not to wear my hair in a bun (or any way where it can all be grabbed at one time) while walking alone.. Can't forget they tell us to yell fire and not to use the 'r' word of were actually being abducted because people are less likely to get involved ...

    • @christabelle__
      @christabelle__ 4 місяці тому +4

      Same - I walked to school all through the late 90s and early 00s, and my parents were like 'don't cut through that section of woods someone could wait for you there', but it was shorter! I had to walk almost half a mile or more if I didn't take that shortcut into my neighborhood! Plus I could pick blackberries while I cut through this little patch of forest, and my parents were abusive and starved me regularly, so it was a nice treat! I am lucky, however, that no one ever tracked me taking the same way home, and cutting through a super low-vis area regularly.

    • @darkstarr984
      @darkstarr984 4 місяці тому +4

      Yeah, being raised as a girl meant I had “always be alert to your surroundings,” “watch your back,” “never go somewhere alone with someone you don’t 100% trust,” and “never trust anyone 100%” drilled into me.

    • @SunBear69420
      @SunBear69420 20 днів тому +1

      If it makes you feel better but most crime is committed by people who know each other. So changing your routine wont really matter.
      And if it is just random crime, changing your routine wont matter.

  • @blairkimberlin3447
    @blairkimberlin3447 Рік тому +2

    most mornings i get up, grab a cup of coffee and eagerly open youtube hoping for a new Casual Criminalist video. then i feel so guilty because the content is so dark and i probably shouldn't be so eager to hear it. your cold read story telling abilities are amazing,bar none

  • @joeyr7294
    @joeyr7294 Рік тому +7

    Hell yeah, right on time Simon and Co. I was just re watching some old casual crim vids. Thanks for posting and adding to you're never ending entertainment!

  • @ljenk5
    @ljenk5 Рік тому +1

    I’m a Sydney girl and enjoyed hearing a story where I knew all the locations, thanks Chris and Simon 👍

  • @trishapellis
    @trishapellis Рік тому +14

    Chris: "I have lived on the street where this old lady was killed. I changed my shoes after military service to something that a forensic expert could recognize".
    Are we sure the police caught the right guy and Chris isn't secretly the real killer?

  • @ASHl33164
    @ASHl33164 Рік тому +10

    I thought that “Gwendolyn Mitchellhill” sounded like not only like an old person name, but a very upper-class name as well, but then along came
    “Lady Winifreda Ashton,” to beat the first lady’s name.

  • @AnimeShinigami13
    @AnimeShinigami13 Рік тому +9

    EXCELLENT!!! An australian serial killer story that isn't Ivan Milat or Kathrine Mary Knight!

  • @cpcoultertweedles7216
    @cpcoultertweedles7216 Рік тому +3

    I had personal experience with the NSW police after I was assaulted on a walk home from the shops. They took my complaint seriously despite the fact I wasn't injured (only grabbed by a stranger), came out to interview me, did a canvas of the local area and kept me informed of every step they took. They didn't find the guy, which I'm not surprised about--I could only offer a vague description and there were no security cameras or other witnesses. Despite that, they were incredibly professional and took every logical step to follow up on my complaint. They even helped me to contact Victims Services so I could see a psychologist for free. I can't speak higher of them.

  • @elisabethhenry1526
    @elisabethhenry1526 Рік тому +6

    As always, a wonderful collaboration between a handful of brilliant people. Thank you for all you do.
    If you're looking for two cases with happy(-ish) endings, may I recommend the case of Thad Phillips and the case of Abigail Hernandez, both incredible teenagers who escaped their kidnappers and brought them to justice.
    Also, Simon: have you considered adding the name 'Leslie' to the word 'effort'? 🤔

  • @treylooker6567
    @treylooker6567 Рік тому +4

    Excellent a new episode to watch while I hide in the break room at work! Thanks Simon and crew!

    • @thatdamncrow9197
      @thatdamncrow9197 Рік тому +1

      If your in america you could get a open carry licenses and carry
      That tends to ward off the creeps
      Its pretty unlikely youd have to ever actually use it

  • @jamesru1
    @jamesru1 Рік тому +5

    Being an Australian and being a long time listener I like hearing an Aussie crime I don't know much about

  • @walkingexistentaldread3079
    @walkingexistentaldread3079 Рік тому +6

    first time they cleaned up the blood, I was understanding. second time, i was a little annoyed. third time, I literally screamed “OH MY GOD STOP” at the top of my lungs.

  • @hanselmansell7555
    @hanselmansell7555 Рік тому +75

    Parents, never call your boy 'John Wayne' anything! 😲

    • @kerrynicholls6683
      @kerrynicholls6683 Рік тому +2

      Never together.

    • @gethroenteralastname2210
      @gethroenteralastname2210 Рік тому +6

      Wait, did he change his name to John Wayne Glover after John Wayne Gacey as some sort of idol?
      Was thinking that it was only if the surname started with a G, but then again there was a John Wayne Bobbitt.
      Edit* Not a seral killer but he did beat his wife.

    • @jennfields1990
      @jennfields1990 Рік тому

      Well to be fair, the original John Wayne was just a severely right wing red neck who became the absolute pinnacle of what toxic masculinity means...oops, I mean, a man's man, so they could have just been hoping for that instead...

    • @jennfields1990
      @jennfields1990 Рік тому +4

      @@gethroenteralastname2210 it's probably more that his dad was a huge western fan

    • @hanselmansell7555
      @hanselmansell7555 Рік тому

      There are so many reasons not to do this tbh...

  • @emmirey4640
    @emmirey4640 Рік тому +4

    Dunblane was Scotland. I remember having talk radio on. And the number of deaths increasing every 15 mins. Was the most traumatic thing i had ever heard.

  • @qrufus
    @qrufus Рік тому +5

    I (initially) thought the perpetrator was part of the good samaritan crews that were cleaning the crime scenes. Which begs the question, why didn't the police just tell the public to STOP doing that?

  • @victoriaeads6126
    @victoriaeads6126 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for another well written, well researched episode!

  • @kupaaiau
    @kupaaiau Рік тому +4

    Mahalo from Hawaii for pumping the episodes out! Well done. Also have a look at the Dana Ireland case. Hawaii’s biggest murder mystery.

  • @SpookyBur
    @SpookyBur Рік тому +1

    You scared the absolute heck out of me with the kid saying okay! I thought my niece had woken up!

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Рік тому +3

    Thanks for another great episode Simon, you and your time rule!

  • @Wimpiedoodle
    @Wimpiedoodle Рік тому +1

    Thank you Jen!

  • @Tarumarugan
    @Tarumarugan Рік тому +8

    The number of times the neighbors washed down the crime scene in this story is crazy. They did half the dude’s work for him

  • @TerenceClark
    @TerenceClark Рік тому +16

    I used to regularly visit a website called News of the Weird, which was a weekly of all of the weird stuff the author could find. Every week they had a feature dedicated to people named "John Wayne ..." that got up to bizarre, horrible, and/or hilarious activities. Sort of a name-based florida man. There was no shortage of material

    • @jennfields1990
      @jennfields1990 Рік тому +1

      I never heard of this site! I need this in my life ❣️

    • @pathemeleski
      @pathemeleski Рік тому +2

      223 killers with the middle name "Wayne" listed. Not sure how many had john as a first name.

  • @cakt1991
    @cakt1991 Рік тому +7

    The “hereditary knighthood” is a baronet. Both baronets and knights are called “Sir” and their wives are “Lady.” But the female equivalent of a knight who gets the title in their own right is called a Dame (ie Dame Emma Thompson or Judi Dench). To complicate things further, there’s also a “life peerage,” which is a baron or baroness title, but unlike the normal titles, it’s granted only for that person’s life and is not inheritable by their offspring.

  • @mattjones7074
    @mattjones7074 Рік тому +1

    The number of guys from the John Wayne era with name John Wayne has gotta be monumental. It’s super cool, and goes with anything

  • @RainbowTheSnail
    @RainbowTheSnail Рік тому +6

    You should do the disaperence of Shannon Matthews and the man who kidnapped her. It is a really odd case. I remember it on the TV in England when I grew up.

  • @pamelamays4186
    @pamelamays4186 Рік тому +10

    Simon, once again providing aspiring criminals with valuable "how to tips".

  • @JohnDrummondPhoto
    @JohnDrummondPhoto Рік тому +10

    Granny killer John Wayne Glover. Boy killer John Wayne Gacy. Never name your kid after John Wayne, folks. Especially if your surname starts with G.

  • @julienmciver6454
    @julienmciver6454 Рік тому +1

    The music when simon is on a proper tangent makes makes it so funny 🤣

  • @azathoth3700
    @azathoth3700 Рік тому +5

    I've watched and read so much true crime now that I immediately assumed the killer would be older based solely on the victimology.
    Probable that the women would be surrogates for his own mother and based on their age, he'd be a man in later middle-age.
    That, or a younger man with grandmother issues, but that would be somewhat less likely given the odds that most people have a closer (good or bad) relationship with their mum than with their nan.

  • @katherinecollins4685
    @katherinecollins4685 26 днів тому +1

    Well presented

  • @notsae66
    @notsae66 Рік тому +7

    I find it interesting that the guy changed his name to John Wayne, then tried to use the same flimsy defense as Gacey. Weird coincidence, unless it was a deliberate homage to the clown killer; which would only make it even more odd.

  • @GameHammerCG
    @GameHammerCG Рік тому +2

    Simon, advice to change your routine is excellent for safety. Remember that episode where the police found a killer’s A-Z full of notes on where his victims went and at what time? That’s why you should change your routines.

  • @loritracy1385
    @loritracy1385 Рік тому +15

    When someone is being identified by 3 names, they're either in a lot of trouble with their parents or they're serial killers.

    • @loritracy1385
      @loritracy1385 Рік тому

      @@colinbanning9416 -- Hmm, I don't think so. In both cases it's the authority figure who uses all your names. I've never met anyone who self identified using all 3.

    • @loritracy1385
      @loritracy1385 Рік тому +1

      @@colinbanning9416 --P.S. The term "sex pest" is offensive & never used by the one being "pested". It implies that it's just a mild irritation when in reality it more often than not can become very dangerous for the women involved.

    • @GooseGumlizzard
      @GooseGumlizzard Рік тому

      or an assassin

    • @Werevampiwolf
      @Werevampiwolf Рік тому

      Very rarely, it's something else. I went to school with a kid that everyone called by his full name. Mostly because his first and last name sounded weird together but with his middle name in there, it flowed much better. I would not have been able to explain that when I knew him, but I literally never heard anyone call him by just his first and last name, or even by just his first name.

  • @kerrynicholls6683
    @kerrynicholls6683 Рік тому

    I feel better now. I ❤ that. Thanks Jen. Brilliant.

  • @wesbeuning1733
    @wesbeuning1733 Рік тому +6

    Geez, how about a press release telling people to stop cleaning up the crime scene??

  • @mikemay3557
    @mikemay3557 Рік тому

    Can't complain when you chose to start your day with that video

  • @jennfields1990
    @jennfields1990 Рік тому +7

    Ok so, I would really love to meet the neighbors who thought that this little old lady decided to remove her coat, pantyhose, and shoes, then place them down neatly outside next to her before or after falling down....I just want to know the thought process behind that...I'm not saying it's impossible, but likely? Without thinking of any other possibilities? Even if you're forensically unaware, you should be able to see something is possibly not adding up there.

  • @leibmenter2331
    @leibmenter2331 Рік тому +5

    “Why is there more crime in poorer areas?”
    Unfortunately, it seems there are poorer areas where there is more crime, not vice versa. Businesses are less likely to open in high-crime areas, leading to poorer conditions, and then the cycle escalates.

  • @Kangamoos
    @Kangamoos Рік тому +4

    I lived in North Sydney during this time and somehow entirely missed this story, so strange, it's not ringing any bells

  • @victoriaeads6126
    @victoriaeads6126 Рік тому +1

    I know this is about a serial killer, but dayum, Chris, you make Australia sound so awesome!

  • @598019001
    @598019001 Рік тому +13

    I can't be the only one literally screaming the fourth time people cleaned up the crime scene again.
    EDIT: AGAIN?!
    EDIT2: Thank god for Maggie, I thought I was going to go insane if it happened a 6th time in a row

    • @janetpendlebury6808
      @janetpendlebury6808 Рік тому +1

      They did not realise it was a crime scene, they were in different suburbs and a long way apart timewise, and not unusual for elderly ladies to have bad falls.

    • @598019001
      @598019001 Рік тому +1

      @@janetpendlebury6808
      I do realise that, I really do but at the same time there was a serial killer and his evidence kept getting cleaned up. I'm not that mad at the people in particular, it is just... frustrating.

  • @darkguy89
    @darkguy89 Рік тому

    As an Australian it's great to hear Simon cover cases from our country because as Simon said it seems like serial killers are a majority American. However some others that might be worth covering include The Bernie's, The Claremont Serial Killer, The Snowtown Murders, The Family Killings, Port Arthur Massacre just to name a few.

  • @Greg-TC
    @Greg-TC Рік тому +14

    Simon, my mom bought a house in the US in the 80’s and was only able to do so as a single woman because of a law that was put in place less than 10 years prior. So society was still quite controlling of women around that time

    • @laurabustos6560
      @laurabustos6560 Рік тому +7

      Totally! My grandma bought her property here in California in '73 and had to have her dad put his name on it and there followed a bunch of legal wrangling to get her property, that she bought into her own name. 🤯

    • @Lauriej117
      @Lauriej117 Рік тому +1

      That’s unbelievable that single women couldn’t own property. In Canada, in most provinces, single women have been able to own property since the late 1800’s . We have also had paid maternity leave since the early 1900’s. I’m so glad I’m Canadian.🙂🇨🇦😂🇨🇦

    • @laurabustos6560
      @laurabustos6560 Рік тому

      @@Lauriej117 that is wonderful! Canada is awesome! A few years ago I actually thought about moving up there.

    • @PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim
      @PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Рік тому +3

      @@Lauriej117 I assume you’re not an Indigenous woman, then

    • @GooseGumlizzard
      @GooseGumlizzard Рік тому +1

      @@Lauriej117 you Canadians really can't help yourselves can you lmao

  • @renee1961
    @renee1961 Рік тому

    Good afternoon, or good morning! Thank You Simon, and Chris!

  • @CashelOConnolly
    @CashelOConnolly Рік тому +4

    The name Simon is already an old persons name or as it’s sometimes called a museum name! You can always tell modern names by what film stars are called. I can’t think of a popular film star called Simon!

  • @Jen1N.
    @Jen1N. Рік тому

    I watch/listen sometimes while playing with the kiddo (with earbuds of course) my daughter just walked up and waved hello to you Simon, so hi from Colorado!

  • @davidlancaster8152
    @davidlancaster8152 Рік тому +3

    I knew a guy named John Wayne Carr, he totally looked like Hercules from those old hero myth movies made in Italy. He wasnt a serial murderer but he had some of the most killer weed I ever smoked....and that says alot.

  • @truemoayyed8482
    @truemoayyed8482 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Simon

  • @JokelNiina
    @JokelNiina Рік тому +3

    Request: The story of Anders Breivik. There was lot of talk of him in the nordics back in the day, but I think his victims deserve the truth of him to be told.

  • @LeighWHeard
    @LeighWHeard Рік тому

    Oh, how I've been waiting for you do cover John Glover's case on this channel! As an Australian I know the case quite well, but it has always intrigued me, and I'm really interested in hearing your team's analysis of it. Thank you.

  • @prussianhill
    @prussianhill Рік тому +12

    Can you do another run of the casual criminalist notebooks? As a criminal defense attorney I feel like I need to have one of those notebooks when I meet with prosecutors.

    • @EnyalienMini
      @EnyalienMini Рік тому +2

      Did they ever come out? I've watched I think every episode but I've never heard of a release. If they were, yes PLEASE run them again!

    • @prussianhill
      @prussianhill Рік тому +4

      @@EnyalienMini Apparently Simon only announced the release on Twitter, and sold out within hours. I've been harping on Simon ever since that he really needs to release a second batch. He'd probably make more on the notebooks than any number of business blaze tshirtd

    • @EnyalienMini
      @EnyalienMini Рік тому +2

      @@prussianhill, that's why I missed it, I'm not on Twitter 😔. I wish he would, and I certainly agree! He would make enough off the notebook alone!

  • @AlexirLife
    @AlexirLife Рік тому +2

    I live in Australia. Perth specifically.
    My Mum grew up in Como in the 50's & 60's. A serial killer was active in the area at the time (Eric Edgar Cooke from '58 - '63.). They had to put locks on the sleep out. (Built in verandah to put beds in)
    Yeah, we have our share. I believe 81 in total. I can remember 3 in my lifetime in Perth....

  • @Choltonandthewheelies
    @Choltonandthewheelies Рік тому +5

    Another very well put together video, if I could take the liberty of submitting a case for a future video, that of one DR John Bodkin Adams. An extraordinary case that reached the highest echelons of the British upper classes. I would love to see your take on this case.

  • @LeeSand123
    @LeeSand123 Рік тому +2

    Simon, look up "Broken Windows Theory" for your question at 9:20. I was a Criminal Justice Major in college so it's one of the many theories that I've learned over the years.

  • @CartoonHero1986
    @CartoonHero1986 Рік тому +3

    Yep I have a great uncle Adolf it was a REALLY popular name in Germany around the time Hitler was born. Actually all my grandmother's siblings have REALLY "old people" German names; Adolf, Gertrude, Zigfred, and Ilsa. Ilsa's husband was Oygan, and I also had an honorary aunt Inga (she was my grandfather's admin assistant before he retired).

  • @mycatsnameiskaren8253
    @mycatsnameiskaren8253 Рік тому

    Binge watching your awesome videos all weekend!!!!! ❤️ from Pensacola

  • @catherinebrady4924
    @catherinebrady4924 Рік тому +3

    Sherlock Holmes said "Elementary my dear Watson once in the original book series in "The Hound of The Baskervilles"

  • @tireddtye
    @tireddtye Рік тому +2

    Whenever killers say they "have a split personality" I swear, I get so unbelievably frustrated. Split Personality is the old term for DID/OSDD which the disorder DOES NOT have "evil alters/personalites" (the new term for "personalities" are alters) that's just a myth used to demonize people with DID/OSDD. I've met and talked with several people with DID/OSDD and none of these people have any "evil alters", they might have alters that are a bit unstable but they wouldn't murder anyone or hurt anyone, the worst they would do is be extremely rude to a person which could be caused by the trauma and bad experiences that the alter is internalizing. Also DID/OSDD is caused by severe and repeated trauma, it doesn't just come out of nowhere.
    Killers are basically trying to pin their evil deeds on a mental illness that is already stigmatized enough just because they don't want to be held responsible for something that they did.

  • @charlieghostwolf6161
    @charlieghostwolf6161 Рік тому +9

    A couple of things for Simon - VFW: Veterans of Foreign Wars; reason for the thought that serial killers are mostly an American phenomenon: they're not, it's just that the US is open about it where most other countries/ governments - for numerous reasons - don't want to admit to it

    • @HavianEla
      @HavianEla Рік тому +2

      It’s silly to think Serial Killers are a purely American phenomenon! I didn’t know anyone believed that

    • @Lauriej117
      @Lauriej117 Рік тому

      Serial killers do exist in other countries but the USA has the largest numbers of serial killers and mass shootings. Do the research and you will see the US is number one in the two areas I mentioned.🇨🇦

  • @TheUberjammer
    @TheUberjammer Рік тому

    I wish I could follow Simon around town. Just started learning the bassoon.

  • @aliceinwonderland8314
    @aliceinwonderland8314 Рік тому +4

    On the handling of Joan Sinclair's murder, I think it's good that the polices' actions were called into question. I think they made a good call from the information they had, but it's always good to question to see if there might have been a different way to handle it for next time.

  • @MySelf-ec9pv
    @MySelf-ec9pv Рік тому +1

    I like how simons like.
    "Busy street BROADday light ✨️
    No chance😬."

  • @renee1961
    @renee1961 Рік тому +4

    I'm sorry about your Grandfather.💔💔💔

  • @deaniej2766
    @deaniej2766 Рік тому

    Once again Simon gives really good tips to anyone planning to commit a crime. Attention: all criminals and potential criminals. Do not watch or listen!

  • @davidmcmanus9022
    @davidmcmanus9022 Рік тому +3

    I know a postman who got transferred for allegedly taking a shit up a tree in Mosman. We called him the Phantom.

    • @greengreen4616
      @greengreen4616 Рік тому

      What? How? Like, up in the branches? That's effort!

    • @davidmcmanus9022
      @davidmcmanus9022 Рік тому

      @@greengreen4616 Yes he climbed a tree and went out on a limb and took a shit. Someone saw him in the process of taking said dump. He then got the transfer. "Allegedly".

    • @davidmcmanus9022
      @davidmcmanus9022 Рік тому

      @@greengreen4616 He was an ultra weird guy and that's coming from me and I'm a bit different myself.

  • @hultagertrude6905
    @hultagertrude6905 Рік тому

    Great stuff as always!