the only reason they havent been adressing 5v5 is because they want to make deleting overwatch 1 make sense. and thats stupid. overwatch 1 should never have left.
They honestly should be sued I never paid for overwatch 2 I want what I paid for. Also I paid for overwatch like 3 times on multiple platforms. How is that at all legal.
They killed any chance of OW2 being a separate identity from OW1 when they canceled PVE. The only difference I see is that the game is more heavily monetized, and the new gamemode push is trash. I was so hype to finally have a story mode with an rpg like skill tree and they crushed my hopes and dreams and replaced them seasonal events that my PC cant even properly play without lagging me out of the game entirely.
@zodiarkful it was suppose be pve but they screw that up. 6v6 could of stayed, becomes free to play and have another team to make the sequel that is story focus.
Too little too late, they've had 11 seasons to "jump in" to this conversation an instead have done nothing but tell people interviewing them to not bring up 6v6 and celebrated "creators" who've done nothing but launch personal an toxic attacks on people who want 6v6. This is just another moment of "break glass in case of financial emergency".
Eskay literally compared 6v6 people to antivaxers. I mean, she did correct herself and said that wasn't a good analogy, but like, wtf why are you even thinking something like that? We are talking about a format in a videogame, how the fuck would you even bring up something like that
Problem with this take is they could’ve easily had people keeep silent about 6v6 because they were still working out internally whether it was the play or not. And taking about it could’ve given false hope or unneeded despair when an actually decision hadn’t been made yet. I mean you say “too little too late” yet here you are watching an update video on over watch. Sounds like someone who would very much want them to address 6v6 is a possibility
after blizzard makes a statement clarifying that 6v6 will not be coming back, marvel rivals will have the marketing fuel of sega vs nintendo. "we have 6v6" is all they have to say.
and also make every 5v5'er istantly go "see! Its not coming back, stop talking about 6v6".. dear god, can't wait to see them get even more fuel for their obnoxious retaliatory comments and behavior.
@@Real_MisterSirIf they outright shit on 6v6 that will be about as dumb as the recent doc tweets. That is a fasttrack to a completely dead game since there is still a lot of people that will play just because of the little bit of hope that Overwatch can return to what it once was and if that gets completely taken away there will be a mass influx of people quitting the game forever. Now I personally don't think the OW devs are that stupid to do that but blizzard never fails to amaze lol
@@lifted71blazer You guys massively overestimate your voice and impact. Mass influx of people quitting over a tiny message in a dev blog? lol. Think about what you're saying. 90% of the player base just play the game they enjoy and don't ever pay attention to what the dev blog says, or what twitter thinks, or what streamers are saying.
It’ll be company rhetoric like “while most people have this ideal that 6v6 will be able to save the game, it isn’t that simple. It’s most likely the nostalgia factor that’s influencing your thinking so to put it to rest, team 4 currently have no plans to revert the format back to 6v6 now or in the foreseeable future. Let’s make a great game. 🤓”
No it wouldn’t. It would be a start. Immo field, suzu, and life grip are all no-skill braindead bailouts that erase skillful plays. They need to be changed (I know they likely won’t be.) Not to mention the burst AOE healing of Brig, Moira, and Bap being overtuned for years now.
no it's gonna be the same thing with 2 tanks team 4 has no idea what they're doing with both formats yall are so horny for 6v6 this is why I'm on neither side it's embarrassing
This is how people should think. 5v5ers are coping about why they didn’t speak about 6v6 previously. They know that so many people would leave if they said anything
Have barely played since they did the hitbox changes like 2 seasons ago. I'm just waiting for their statement on 6v6 to hit the install button. As soon as they say they aren't going to do it, which is what they are going to say "oh the game has had too many changes It's not technically feasible anymore boohoo" I'm gonna uninstall for good. Pre-ordered OW1 and this is just intolerable at this point. Let the 5v5er's enjoy their dying game.
This was your breaking point? That's funny lol, there are better reasons to leave this game. I knew 5v5 was here to stay when they announce the change in the beginning. Thinking they'd change format after spending years of work reworking the entire game around 5v5, is not it.
@@nickp8041 womp womp, eventually people will stop complaining about 5v5 as the game slowly gets better and better over time. people like Samito might have moved on, leaving OW2 for the rest of us who enjoy playing it, and have since it was at its worst, since its launch
After seeing that DBD developer get his ass whooped playing killer, so hard to the point where the next patch note hard nerfed survivors, Im convinced these developers do not play their own games. I would love to see these OW developers actually play the tank role and stream it live just to see how miserable tank actually is and so everyone can laugh.
5v5ers: we don’t want to shoot at shields all day, but we’re happy to shoot at a tank that never dies so we can boost our damage stats and make it look like we’re doing something…. Even though the shields were never the root issue of 6v6 in the first place.
Everyone needs to stop playing this gane for them to realize that they have a alot to lose they know we wont stop playing thats why they milk it for as long as they can we as a community need to take a stand since they dont know whats at stake
Most long term players have the problem is thou kids and the typical cycle of newer players. It's just a numbers game Hear me out because despite the very obvious misgrevings of the game at it's core there is still at the very least fun game in there especially for newer players because they don't have the context most of us have as we have seen this game in a much better state while they only have this current overwatch and like I said the game Inn that sense can provide enjoyment for fresh players even if they get cynical down the road and stoop playing , for blizzard they will have enough players coming in who are new combined with the younger players who don't care about this stuff and it's just a unwinnable battle In that respect there are billons of people and they don't even need a single whole percent of that to be viable, because the game isn't suicide squad there is still a good enough game in there that blizzard can at this point do whatever they want and enough naive youth and newcomers will always be there giving it support
I already quit long ago, its not hard guys. The games bad man. Like baddddd. Just do anything else, literally even league of legends is a better experience. Its sad what overwatch has become
@@madmaxim3965 I can confirm as a somewhat new player who only had 300 hours of ow1 going into ow2 after never touching the game for 6 yrs after 2017, I've found the game fun and don't understand what all the hubaloo is all about. I do see hackers dough and that's clearly not fun.
I had a dream that overwatch was 7v7, 2 tanks, 3 dps, 2 support. I feel like this is unironically a great solution to both the tanks don’t get played queue time issues, as well as the solo tanking sucks and we don’t have fun tank combos anymore. It was electric, rein X-rays with triple dps and Lucio Ana would be so insanely fun. I’m not saying it would be better than 6v6, but at this point anything would be better than 5v5 and maybe the devs wouldn’t be so upset if they went to 7v7 because they wouldn’t “lose” to the “6v6ers”
It's gonna be a shit-show. They spent the last 2+ years trying to mold OW into a 5v5 with countless reworks and balance passes that going back to 6v6 now is going to be 45 flavors of broken.
Flats said an interesting thing about the reason for no 6v6 chat is probably coming from higher up, not within the team. He also said something about Overwatch being playable on the Nintendo Switch but it can barely cope with rendering everything in 5v5 so it would never be able to keep up with all the infomation in 6v6. What if the reason there's no 6v6 chat from the devs is because Blizzard has some legal agreement with Nintendo where Overwatch has to be available on it, which means the whole game on all platforms is limitted by the Switch's hardware. Like maybe the devs all agree that 6v6 is better but they're not allowed to act on it because of a legal agreement.
Tanks have been "less tanky" since Season 9 because of the DPS Passive. The 75-100 HP Tanks got was not enough to make up for the DPS Passive being added.
The funny thing is that in 5v5 Mauga is a terrible tank since its either overpowered or useless, but in a 6v6 format Mauga could be an actually fun and balanced tank. Many of the heroes useless or overpowered b/c of 5v5, its not bad hero design as some heroes become bad in 5v5 automatically no matter how they are tweaked and revorked. As Steve Jobs joked once: the management is trying to steer the sinking ship to point in the right direction :)
I just want to say is OverWatch a game that you can just play your favorite heroes and get volume regardless or a game you have to constantly counter pick to get value.
You can get value with whoever it's just counter play exists but there's ways to play around it people just succumb to the meta and swap constantly You can outplay and outperform even your counters but people don't wanna learn Also obviously there's X character thats better than Y character that always happen but when you give people the freedom to pick whoever whenever there's always gonna be counter picking it's just other people ruining the experience for each other
Remember the end of overwatch 1 when they said they were going to make the overwatch 2 tanks more like brawlers, and now they're just tankier than ever and getting tankier still
I want to preference first that I don't particularly care whether the game is 5v5 or 6v6, but I want to ask because of genuine curiosity. Would tanks being tankier really be a problem? Let me elaborate. The thing is, it's particularly the tanks that have high sustain which ends up being meta, such as Hog, Mauga, and Orisa, so if more of the other tanks end up getting sustain, wouldn't that just lessen the gap between all tanks, leading to more tank picks based on map? There is so much value to be gained from eliminating a tank in a fight, so I understand focusing them down, but Sam, Spilo, and others also say that there should be some way to discourage shooting tanks, so wouldn't making tanks tankier be a good reason not to shoot them? I always thought that the shift to 5v5 and making tanks tankier meant that we had to focus more on eliminating the DPS and Supports first before focusing on the Tank. Again, I'm just asking if it really would be a problem if tanks were tankier because I'm not 100% sure whether if this would help the game or not, but I don't think it'd be a bad thing considering this format.
I'm not confident their answer will resonate with people who prefer 6v6, especially since there aren't as many developers who were working at Blizz during that time, or that know about OW1's competitive history in enough depth. Not mentioning counterswapping at all in a post about how tank doesn't feel good feels extremely tone deaf too. Still, I'm glad they're finally addressing it instead of ignoring everyone.
I think the most terrifying thing is, now that they've addressed 6v6 if they say 6v6 isn't possible, the game is going to lose a large percentage of players (myself included) who are still holding out hope that the game will ever get better.
It’s crazy how tanks in ow1 just seemed more like big dps characters. If I was in a 1v1 with a tank while I’m a dps, it was just a pure fair fight, they had double my health but the hitbox was bigger so I would land more shots on them, the ‘time to kill’ was about the same as fighting a squishy since they only had around double my health instead of quadruple + damage reduction
I have a theory fot tanks. They are composed by 3 main characteristics: health pool, barriers and/or armor. But devs included a number 4 that i think does nof fix well. Health regen. And the ratio of the 3 is not the same as the ratio of the 4, hence the problem imo.
5v5 was the nail in the coffin a year ago. We all knew it. I haven't played in 4 months now. Thank God. 15k hours in ow1. 1k in ow2. 0 hr last 4 months. =)
They already crossed the line with tank sustain a while ago. It's not only unfun for dps and supports, it's also unfun for each tank facing another tank that is unkillable. They need to look at more speciifc problems for tanks - nade, sleep, storm arrow, etc. There are a small number of specific abilities that make tanking feel garbage to play. Those are the things that need fixed, not making tanks even stronger. They tried that already and now even less people are playing the role.
Nah Tanks definitely need to get giga buffed they are EASILY the weakest role in the game. The amount of times I’ll instantly explode or watch a tank instantly explode is unacceptable. Unless you play Orisa almost every other tank in the game just explodes especially with the amount of ppl running mercy phara rn or like bastion and Mcree. Tanks might technically have higher health pools, but in most circumstances it doesn’t do anything given the sheer amount of damage that’s in this game. All tanks need to get like 25-30% more health armor and shields but they need to lose like 30-40% of there damage. The idea of a tank is to be tanky not be a large dps.
Yeah but that Idea is stupid because it makes it miserable for everybody else, thats why 5v5 is flawed as a format, 1 Giga Tank is not fun for the DPS or Supprot and its also not fun when you yourself get hit with every CC and Counterswapped
@@heiko2255 that why I said to lower there damage. If tanks do far less damage and became more bullet sponges that would teach supports and dps to shoot more valuable targets to get value. As of this moment on OW of 2-3 players on the other team decide to all shoot the tank all at once there is almost nothing that would live. That player would just instantly explode. Dps and supports are more valuable targets and until the developers buff tanks the same monkey 🐒 brained morons are gonna just shoot tank for scoreboard stats and pretend they are getting value. Tanks should be tanky it’s not a wild concept.
The 5v5 isn't the problem, the problem is that the devs are trying to make us play 5v5 like it was 6v6. Honestly, in order to 5v5 to work, the role tank should get a complete rework.
Because the tank stats are so overwhelming, it has resulted in counterswaps in OTHER roles. You literally win/lose by the hero select screen as opposed to the actual gameplay itself.
As a tank main in Overwatch 1 and someone who played tanked the first couple seasons of ow2, I’ve essentially completely stopped playing tank in comp for the last 8 seasons, it’s so god damn miserable. You win 1 team and you’re countered picked, it’s just boring. You make 1 error on the dive tanks and you just get every cd thrown at you and insta die, or it’s the opposite where you just have an unkillable orisa or mauga and just shoot the other tank the entire time. I’m done
Dude there’s no way to go back to 2 tanks. You could argue that more people would play tank if there were 2 tanks, but queue times for all other roles would be 30 minutes
Waiting for the update from the devs: "After careful consideration we've decided to KEEP 5v5, we don't want shield shooter sim, riiiight? 5v5 is WAY better."
But Sam, freedo keeps telling me 5v5 is better ? I thought I liked 6v6 more but I forgot it’s not real and is the same as flat earth. How can we go back to 6v6 if a bald guy tells us it trash and apparently never existed like a flat earth? You make no sense. Anyways I’m gonna watch a clip of freedo playing ram getting shot by 5 people and not dying cuz I can’t stand double shield meta. As a tank main I love being counter picked by half the enemy team and I’m pretty sure a lot of tank mains do too. We should just be able to ban hero’s though cuz I love when other people don’t get to have fun on there favourite hero’s. Everyone’s dumb except me because I’m bald and losing subs and views. -GS Vader
If only there was a outlier patch that made all hero’s fun and viable. But if science has taught me anything it’s to ignore the outliers and not look closer into what happened and why it happened, on a construction site when we have safety procedures in place to make sure everyone goes home to there wives but when some accident happens and someone dies we don’t take a close look because it’s an outlier, we ignore it !!!! No need to understand why it happened and what the cause was because we’re going to ignore it!! No need to understand and report it, why ? because SCIENCE !! BALD GUY THE IGNORE LOGIC GUY !
I think the reason they are talking about buffing tank health pools is because any tank that isn’t Dva, Mauga or Ram will immediately fall over due to the mass amount of cool-downs being constantly pumped into their faces. However if they buff the health pools for tanks they then become too unkillable and make dps feel useless. At this point just go back to 6v6.
There are several issues now with only 1 tank. There are too many tanks to choose from, with most of them just being buffed up dps. Reduce the tank choices and keep the true tanks. A tank should be a team protector.
The problem isn’t that tanks don’t feel tanky it’s more so that coz there’s one tank it’s so easy to counter them and shut them down and then you can pretty much insta die coz of how strong counters are. If you aren’t being countered as a tank then the game is so free and you can just walk at the enemy but if they have counters it feels so horrible.
this plays heavily on how i feel about comp. I dont play comp anymore for the fact that my value is based on if I get competency in my team... forced to carry tons of people who dont have concept of the actual gameplay. and potential value I was getting was gradually taken away
Changing to 6v6 would be an admission that Blizzard didn't make an actual sequel. No, they didn't make one; the point was to revitalize the failing Overwatch game and distract from the Hong Kong controversy back in 2019.
Its funny how the game reached a point where even with gigabuffed tanks, tank players dont wanna play tank, buffing everything, so every role has their own sweet seasons, they dont realize that overtunning one role will make miserable the other 2, but now they fucked up so hard that like i said, even playing raidbosses is not fun
I’m very worried, imma permanently stop playing (even though I hardly play this anymore), if they’re unironically gonna make tanks more tanky and leave it at that.. Dva already kills me for free if I won’t or can’t run away as dps or support.
My theory of 5v5 being unable to be balanced with Blizz's balancing philosophy has been proven. You cannot buff stuff. Overbuffed characters in 5v5 are super oppressive. Sojourn, Illari, Hog, Mauga, Orisa, and Kiriko have proven this. You can't have a character that is too strong because it feel awful to interact with them. The game needs the characters to be weaker to function, but nerfing things makes twitter go apeshit. So they pander to bronze players who are in ranks they are not suppose instead of just making every role weaker so that the time to kill is the same, but its not as oppressive/annoying to fight. 6v6 could handle characters being a smidge too good. The only reason why it felt awful near the end is cuz everything that was too good was waaaay too good.
If you did what blizzard did to tanks but to every other role you’d see the same issues, one least dps you have to giga buff and nerf and have to design every other role around these changes, same thing for support if you only had on support you’d have to giga buff and nerf like they are to tanks and change the way they design hero’s across the board. This needs to stop and they need to admit they were wrong like they did before and actually fix the issues!!!
What ddo you think of selective role queue? My only issue with 6v6 and why I've been on the 5v5 side is because I dont want long queue times or priority passes back and I dont think open queue will be as fun with all these broken heros, open queue worked at launch because the heros were actually all well designed but now I feel like open queue would result in stuff that makes goats seem healthy. But if you join a match with fast queue times and are forced to pick quickly or get shafted to a role no one picked, do you think that would be an option? They tested it with the creator patch and it felt good there but ofc that was 5v5 so I would like the opinion of the format man himself 😂
I’ve just been enjoying the finals and I played Apex most of overwatch 2’s lifespan, prefer the games that caters to one’s skill and not inflates my ego by giving us larger hit boxes..
i have to say the way aaron is talking aboout 6v6 is like a middle schooler hiding a bad report card, "yeah we should talk about tanks, and yeaaaah theres a problem with 5v5 but maybe you wont be mad....? if i tell the truth???"
The problem with tanks is not because theyre not tanky enough, its because of couterpicking being too strong. Not once did they try to combat counterpicking and seeing as they say that they were wrong and its "part of the game" i dont think they ever will. Thus making tanks just miserable no matter how tanky they become. All we're doing is making the other 2 roles also have a miserable time with the tank players.
Buffing tank health pools isn't really gonna help, they need to address the root problem. Tanks are already tanky enough, but since there's only one they are extremely susceptible to counter-swapping. If the entire enemy team swaps to tank busters (Mauga-Reaper-Junkrat-Zen-Ana), the game is basically unplayable, or at the very least your hero selection pool is reduced to 2 (Zarya or D.Va).
I am an Old season 1 Bastion main from overwatch 1... I had done it all and I can say you are right Tanks should not be That Extremely Tanky.... Since now either The Tanks literally just Jump in and Harras Back lines without any Problem and tank 4 enemy's at once.... And in higher elos tanks are literally Walls.... Back then Double shield where hate... But I know it better I played Bastion not only because I loved this Char but to show That There are still heroes to Rip Double shield appart... It wasn't as terrible as it sounded... But back then Bastion hate where collosal for no reason... Now I am hating it since even with bastion you can't kill the tanks anymore...
so let me get this straight... right now theres one tank and the argument is its too tanky and the two tanks are just there to take damage. so the magic solution to this is to add another tank. right. i see. ive been so dumb this entire time
I know entering Sam's comments is a toxic minefield, but as a tank player, I'd much rather play against 1 other tank instead of Horse/Mauga. JQ Mauga. It fucking blows as a tank player to get blown up by opposing DPS in a 3v1, it would suck more to have it happen in a 1v1. Games moved past 6v6 and needs to work on balance changes around 5v5 that they haven't done. Balance issue > format issue, counterswapping is whatever.
solution is simple actually. why they just dont give dps passive to tanks as well. they just need dps passive. also surviveability isn't the issue, issue is offensive effectiveness. cut some hp and give more effective dmg. reverse the armor, put it in bottom part of the hp bar and bring back 30% armor dmg reduction. or add a new passive that automatically recognizes how many players shooting the tank and if it's more than 3 then tank gets dmg reduction passive. tanks blow up because 5 people focus fire. that's an obvious problem. this way you can nerf tank's normal defense so dps can have more fair 1v1 against tanks but in 5 person spam fire tanks are more tanky.
So im confused, at what point did the Address 6v6? i Defninatley saw them adressing balance in general and i guess that is a result of taking 6v6 away, but they literally never address 6v6 once from what i can tell? easy dislike.
They don’t play their own game… and people are like “imagine having to face Mauga hog. And obviously we revert a lot of stuff such as canceling breather. I love the tank role, it’s my best role but holy fuck im miserable
I wonder how many people are playing right now, since all my years in overwatch, the first time I don't feel like playing, not one bit. With Elden Ring dlc and a lot of other fun games to play, they don't give me a reason to come back this season.
Last time i quit like this in ow1 was the same exact meta the games in right now (i quit season 8 and the games only gotten worse since then). The meta im refering to is when dps felt useless (except in ow2 everything feels useless). So basically the entire goats meta, somewhere around there. Right now this game feels like goats + double shield combined. Isnt that amazing? How they could do that in 5v5. Even though 5v5 was suppose to fix that? I dont think ive had another game other then overwatch where i just quit and just dont think or care about the game at all after quitting. The games so far from what it use to be its not even overwatch anymore. Literally the only positive to all this is how they removed alot of CC but that could of been done in 6v6 just as easily. When i prefer all the cc that was in ow1 rather then what we have now, you know something is truly wrong.
@@commandoch12i5 Same since 2016, now this game feels like a downgrade instead of a sequel. I played this season the first day that came out and then dropped.
@@aqueleRu Yea i came back when double shield was still pretty good but it was barely played, and even when it was played it felt fine to play agaisnt. Like it was just another "option" instead of being the meta. Even when it was super OP, players couldnt really play it right in diamond so it didnt matter really. Goats also was barely played, but i cant remember what exactly the changes were but dps were just useless only like 3-4 of them were "semi viable"(This was before role que, so 2018 somewhere in this timezone) I think it was the amount of CC and healing in the game that made them feel bad. and i stopped playing until role que was added. Played a bit quit again, and then came back like before or right after the oct 2020 patch. And that was some of the best overwatch ive ever played. Even with 10+ minute ques, even with some double shield here and there, even with hanamura and 2cp, even with all the CC, even with With no new content. And thats saying something and thats sad.
Bruh a semi competent dev team who actually plays the game instead of looking only at stat spreadsheets could probably fix this game in 6v6 within half a year at most. And I mean truly fix, not just balance tanks, but also rework some of the major hack abilities like suzu, swift step, lamp, grip, etc. Devs just dont know their own game. They look on papers with numbers, while the players actually sink 1000s of hours each into the real gameplay experience. Theory vs practice.
This is why their whole PvE division got shut down. They likely kept committing to an idea, not thinking it all the way through before hitting an obstacle, and then abandoning it for a potentially better idea. The leadership at Blizzard is the problem here. They NEED to manage their resources more effectively: settle on a collective vision, come up with a very long term strategy, analyze EVERY possible flaw and how to resolve it (without also accidentally ricocheting into another bad idea), and then FULLY COMMIT to the strategy with properly aligned talent and direction. I can't even imagine what daily life at Blizzard is like. Other than just hitting deadlines, I don't think they have any actual benchmarks of how they feel they SHOULD be performing.
That's because the game's biggest issue has nothing to do with format. 5v5 is in a much better state than it was in two years ago, it will continue to slowly improve. You people also underestimate just how much pre-2022 work would need to be undone to even attempt to bring 6v6 to the live game and return the polished OW1 experienced. They made their decision 5-6 years ago, they're stuck with it, we're stuck with it. Eventually you guys will settle down and stop shouting about 6v6.
@@monki9941 I mean knowing the devs they'll try to please as much people as possible doing the worst they can ending up in the game losing players so... Either way the debate will end and people will be able to move on.
They're gonna say you think you do but you dont, take off rose tinted glasses, stop spreading hate ect. In which case I can finally be free and give up on tank role forever cause there's nothing to hope for anymore
I like playing tank but I'm a lucio main in a mercy world, so it's all I can play and not make me miserable. That being said, I shamelessly counter pick on tank THE INSTANT I CAN. Only reason I'm having fun is because I'm going out my way to prevent fun and I understand that. The game is in a bad state and I'm just abusing the issue.
More health on tank = more abilities usage on tank = tank still feeling miserable to play = tank still not being fun. I dunno mane pretty simple stuff if u ask me. Ur not gonna make tank fun and balanced in a 5v5 format it’s either the tank have fun and no one else or everyone else have fun besides the tank.
Ive said this for so long its hard to focus other people when 1/3 of the teams power is standing right in front of you with very exploitable weaknesses defensive cooldowns and a giant hitbox in the average players games killing the tank is the most effective way to win if you take out a the dva in front of you before they kill your ram your at a massive advantage and in order to even the score they would have to kill one tank or two people on the same role and killing the slower big guy is way easier than chasing the smaller faster targets
@@BeastMode-bw2ry no one cares about your opinion either. 90% or more of 6v6 fans - are tank players. Obviously smallest part of community 5v5 has way more supporters that is why I am glad 6v6 will never be back
@@JustFishBait He gets the bag and deep down still has love for Overwatch, just not 5v5 I shit on the devs too and want 6v6 back more than anything else, but i do occaisonally play... just to realise how fucking bad this game has become, but i do play lol
@@JustFishBaitbro it’ll bring back a whole other generation of overwatch players. You know the people who paid for the game not once but multiple of time s
@@mattiej2311 It would of looked a lot less scummy than the absolute rugpull they did with overwatch 2. There have been been an influx of games that go f2p after a while especially when the game is becoming less popular but I guess if they never abandoned OW1 the way they did then maybe it wouldn't have died enough to justify it
@@darkpaw3734 I think you forgot the overhaul performance boosts that improved for overwatch 2. Getting a 2nd version was inevitable whether 5v5 or 6v6 was in mind. And ofc, they are a business, obviously they are gonna try to profit within their interests. Clearly the battlepass model is working or else the game wouldn't continue going on as it is. The moment they listen is if the game isn't showing the numbers anymore. At least its a bit better than valorant and actually give good looking skins with the battlepass instead of crummy ones.
OW Devs be like: - Increases Tank's max health, and then increase everyone's max health (Including tanks again). - Makes burst damage (and aim in general) less impactful overall. - Makes Tank passively take less damage from headshots (Which was sometimes the only way to kill a tank). - Repeatedly adds more ways to gain overhealth. - Give supports too much power and then refuse to nerf them (instead decide to change literally everything else about the game). - Adds Kiriko, who has the most problematic, infuriating, and overtuned kit ever; Being able to do everything with no weaknesses, risk, or drawbacks. Refuse to nerf her despite being meta for 11 seasons straight. - Barely makes any effort to fix the issues involving Bap and Brig, in fact, makes said issues worse. - Adds and buffs a bunch of burst healing / AoE healing (such as making Bap's regen burst heal more instantly when people are below half) - Refuse to address problematic support abilities that grant invulnerability or too much survivability - Hears the community ask for healing / support power to be reduced, only to side step with a "band-aid" DPS Passive, only to increase healing again. - Creates a bunch of tanks with (Or gives certain tanks) very high self-sustain, damage resistance/mitigation, overhealth, and/or shields. Also OW Devs: "Tanks aren't tank-y enough"
@@mryellow6918 Imma be honest it doesn't even have to be the whole lobny I'm a tank player being playing a lot of DPS pharah sojourn and cass can fucking melt but yeah it's a 5v5 issue
How do they define how many deaths a tank ought to have? This just brings in another layer of interpretation to the balance that doesnt need to be there.
You must understand. The devs don't actually play the game, so to understand it, they need a number to represent a feeling. It's the only thing they can do with their limited skill lol
It's probably a comparison based on the number of deaths before the health pools changes. But it was so poorly explained with so few details that it's hard to believe that it's somewhat relevant
@user-cy6xl3vd3f it has to be relevant if they are using it to gauge how tanky the tanks are. It shouldn't rely solely on comparing one thing to another as that gets rid of the objectivity. They said they can't go into the specifics and I'm like damn is it that complicated of a stat to calculate?
@user-cy6xl3vd3f so I believe it's a statistic idk if that's the best word to use so it's like let say im a Gm mercy player top 500 etc high rank player so it proba factors my skill/mercy stats and I'd assumed give a ratio of death you should be experiencing so since I'm a gm mercy my deaths should be 10 5 or less then that
Devs are stupid, game is stupid. Hear me out 6 vs 5, defender side gets a Gigabuffed Mauga and the attacking side gets two shit tanks. They will never go back to 6v6 because they'd rather drink breastmilk than admit defeat.
And when we move to 6v5, and it has been like that for a while (and of course it turned out to be shit), they will start bitching about how 5v5 was nostalgia and rose tinted glasses.
I can't wait for them to just say why they won't go back to 6v6 in the post so I can finally fully be free and uninstall the game. I haven't played in months as is but I itch to play it so badly.
This is it. This is the final make or brake moment for overwatch. Ive been playing this game since october 2016. I have completley quit playing the game for season 11 of overwatch 2. As god is my witness, if they say " we wont be going back to 6V6" on this dev update i am officially leaving the game forever. If they dont go back to 6v6 now, i dont see this game surviving beyond 2 years from now. I just cant do it anymore man. I survived goats, i survived triple tank, beyblade, dive and even the abandonment of 2020. But i cant keep playing it as it is right now. Legitimatly one of the most unfun games ive ever played in its current state.
My casual group abandoned the awful Role Queue and we went Open Queue full time, and the game is properly fun again. The game feels so much more alive and dynamic, much like the OW1 we loved. The answer is right in front of the devs and they refuse to see it. Keep fighting the 6v6 fight!
This. Role queue was not necessary the only reason it was implemented was to kill GOATS and as a byproduct it created queue time problems. And omg DPS is the most popular role what a fucking surprise! As a flex player I honestly liked played tank but only on certain maps others I would like to play support or dps but now I have to choose my role before seeing the map?? Yeah fuck that
I actually agree with you I even ran into some goat comps still found ot hetter then role she it just need to be bounce right *looks at balance team* yeah no they will ruin it
As a tank main open q isssssss waaaaaayyyyy mo’ funner. But I also don’t give a fuck if a win or lose cuz it’s a joke game mode they no one plays. And plays are masters. But as a twin player the off tank just makes me life sooooooooooooooo much better. Rein zar ? Enough said. Widow ? Dva monkey dives her. Got a ram ? I shield while he punches there hole team. Jq ? Knifes, I swing , I fuck yo and pin because I’m at half mast playing with another tank, JQ shouts I stop eating my Cap’n Crunch cuz I ain’t dying no more now I’m swinging that thang. Falcon beauuuuu
The biggest thing for me, is I can't be in two places at once. Someone in my backline, do I peel and leave front defenseless, and let the tank steamroll? Or do I let my supports die and defend Frontline?
These people (devs) are absolutely fucking delusional. Psychotic is the understatement of the near DECADE that this game has been around. 6v6 is the ONLY FIX for this right now. Period. Bring Tank synergies back, and massively reduce health pools. Bring PLAYMAKING BACK, FOR ALL ROLES. Get rid of these complete cop-out "I can't die" buttons, and inject some actual S K I L L back in the game.
I'm still amazed they haven't pulled a OW Classic play, and seen how well sales go to try to bait people's money out of them. Which of course would instantly kill OW2 for the most part, because everyone who wants 6v6 would go to that instead. But we all know Blizzard doesn't know how to even remotely look at what people want, because they're always right...
I think when they finally do the switch to 6v6 we should praise it, as it is the right choice. If they are able to drop the ego and admit they fucked up, I think that is commendable.
At this point its too late, already quit this game seasons ago. All the Integrity of this game is gone. All the content creators except like flats all sold out and calling their whole communitys who know 6v6 is better "idiots, flat earthers, anti vaxxers". It's just disgusting. We are way past the point of no return, the game can die completely for all i care at this point.
This is what happens when you just stare at the numbers and dont actually play the game
yep. blizz is obsessed with data, and it leads them down a bad path time after time
To your point they literally created a stat called "tankiness" to quantify the problem. You cant make this shit up 😂
@@isaacjohnson8796
Making the tank role a passive
Blizzard’s brain is like universe-sized
they shouldn't even be using data at all. "Oh look, our game is now mathematically balanced to perfection! Wait, where did all our players go?"
Tell me the devs don't play their game without telling me directly. "Tankiness"
the only reason they havent been adressing 5v5 is because they want to make deleting overwatch 1 make sense. and thats stupid. overwatch 1 should never have left.
Im starting to think it maybe is related to legal issues and that the game must be 5v5
They honestly should be sued I never paid for overwatch 2 I want what I paid for. Also I paid for overwatch like 3 times on multiple platforms. How is that at all legal.
the initial idea of the OW "2" made sense until they shit on it and underdelivered in all fronts
They killed any chance of OW2 being a separate identity from OW1 when they canceled PVE. The only difference I see is that the game is more heavily monetized, and the new gamemode push is trash. I was so hype to finally have a story mode with an rpg like skill tree and they crushed my hopes and dreams and replaced them seasonal events that my PC cant even properly play without lagging me out of the game entirely.
@zodiarkful it was suppose be pve but they screw that up. 6v6 could of stayed, becomes free to play and have another team to make the sequel that is story focus.
Too little too late, they've had 11 seasons to "jump in" to this conversation an instead have done nothing but tell people interviewing them to not bring up 6v6 and celebrated "creators" who've done nothing but launch personal an toxic attacks on people who want 6v6. This is just another moment of "break glass in case of financial emergency".
I’m still mad at Custa man, can’t take that dude seriously anymore
@@hillwoop9101What happend with Custa?
Eskay literally compared 6v6 people to antivaxers. I mean, she did correct herself and said that wasn't a good analogy, but like, wtf why are you even thinking something like that? We are talking about a format in a videogame, how the fuck would you even bring up something like that
Problem with this take is they could’ve easily had people keeep silent about 6v6 because they were still working out internally whether it was the play or not. And taking about it could’ve given false hope or unneeded despair when an actually decision hadn’t been made yet.
I mean you say “too little too late” yet here you are watching an update video on over watch. Sounds like someone who would very much want them to address 6v6 is a possibility
_cough_ Freedo saying 6v6 advocates are akin to flat earthers _cough cough_
Like seriously wtf is that argument?
after blizzard makes a statement clarifying that 6v6 will not be coming back, marvel rivals will have the marketing fuel of sega vs nintendo. "we have 6v6" is all they have to say.
Inb4 the devs just shit on 6v6 in the dev update and make Sam lose his mind even more lol
and also make every 5v5'er istantly go "see! Its not coming back, stop talking about 6v6".. dear god, can't wait to see them get even more fuel for their obnoxious retaliatory comments and behavior.
@@Real_MisterSirIf they outright shit on 6v6 that will be about as dumb as the recent doc tweets. That is a fasttrack to a completely dead game since there is still a lot of people that will play just because of the little bit of hope that Overwatch can return to what it once was and if that gets completely taken away there will be a mass influx of people quitting the game forever. Now I personally don't think the OW devs are that stupid to do that but blizzard never fails to amaze lol
@@lifted71blazer You guys massively overestimate your voice and impact. Mass influx of people quitting over a tiny message in a dev blog? lol. Think about what you're saying. 90% of the player base just play the game they enjoy and don't ever pay attention to what the dev blog says, or what twitter thinks, or what streamers are saying.
It’ll be company rhetoric like “while most people have this ideal that 6v6 will be able to save the game, it isn’t that simple. It’s most likely the nostalgia factor that’s influencing your thinking so to put it to rest, team 4 currently have no plans to revert the format back to 6v6 now or in the foreseeable future. Let’s make a great game. 🤓”
@@ryguy46853yeah I’m sure the game has 90% positive ratings.....like on steam right?😂
6 v 6 would bring balance back to the universe
And then Samito would finally rest and watch the sun rise on a grateful universe.
No it wouldn't, but it would make tank nicer to play
No it wouldn’t. It would be a start. Immo field, suzu, and life grip are all no-skill braindead bailouts that erase skillful plays. They need to be changed (I know they likely won’t be.) Not to mention the burst AOE healing of Brig, Moira, and Bap being overtuned for years now.
And the universe has been fvckin singing
no it's gonna be the same thing with 2 tanks team 4 has no idea what they're doing with both formats yall are so horny for 6v6 this is why I'm on neither side it's embarrassing
when Aaron addresses 6v6 and denies it, im going to quit. Fuck overwatch
This is how people should think. 5v5ers are coping about why they didn’t speak about 6v6 previously. They know that so many people would leave if they said anything
Have barely played since they did the hitbox changes like 2 seasons ago. I'm just waiting for their statement on 6v6 to hit the install button. As soon as they say they aren't going to do it, which is what they are going to say "oh the game has had too many changes It's not technically feasible anymore boohoo" I'm gonna uninstall for good. Pre-ordered OW1 and this is just intolerable at this point. Let the 5v5er's enjoy their dying game.
This was your breaking point? That's funny lol, there are better reasons to leave this game. I knew 5v5 was here to stay when they announce the change in the beginning. Thinking they'd change format after spending years of work reworking the entire game around 5v5, is not it.
@@aouyiu You mean like how they spent 7 years working on 6v6 and then changed it to 5v5 without anybody asking for it
@@nickp8041 womp womp, eventually people will stop complaining about 5v5 as the game slowly gets better and better over time. people like Samito might have moved on, leaving OW2 for the rest of us who enjoy playing it, and have since it was at its worst, since its launch
After seeing that DBD developer get his ass whooped playing killer, so hard to the point where the next patch note hard nerfed survivors, Im convinced these developers do not play their own games. I would love to see these OW developers actually play the tank role and stream it live just to see how miserable tank actually is and so everyone can laugh.
They did play tank. They played broken ass Orisa and said we enjoyed her, like no shit she was hard meta for 4 seasons 😂
5v5ers: we don’t want to shoot at shields all day, but we’re happy to shoot at a tank that never dies so we can boost our damage stats and make it look like we’re doing something….
Even though the shields were never the root issue of 6v6 in the first place.
Everyone needs to stop playing this gane for them to realize that they have a alot to lose they know we wont stop playing thats why they milk it for as long as they can we as a community need to take a stand since they dont know whats at stake
Most long term players have the problem is thou kids and the typical cycle of newer players. It's just a numbers game
Hear me out because despite the very obvious misgrevings of the game at it's core there is still at the very least fun game in there especially for newer players because they don't have the context most of us have as we have seen this game in a much better state while they only have this current overwatch and like I said the game Inn that sense can provide enjoyment for fresh players even if they get cynical down the road and stoop playing , for blizzard they will have enough players coming in who are new combined with the younger players who don't care about this stuff and it's just a unwinnable battle In that respect there are billons of people and they don't even need a single whole percent of that to be viable, because the game isn't suicide squad there is still a good enough game in there that blizzard can at this point do whatever they want and enough naive youth and newcomers will always be there giving it support
I already quit long ago, its not hard guys. The games bad man. Like baddddd. Just do anything else, literally even league of legends is a better experience. Its sad what overwatch has become
@@madmaxim3965 I can confirm as a somewhat new player who only had 300 hours of ow1 going into ow2 after never touching the game for 6 yrs after 2017, I've found the game fun and don't understand what all the hubaloo is all about. I do see hackers dough and that's clearly not fun.
marvel rivals lookin great
I had a dream that overwatch was 7v7, 2 tanks, 3 dps, 2 support. I feel like this is unironically a great solution to both the tanks don’t get played queue time issues, as well as the solo tanking sucks and we don’t have fun tank combos anymore. It was electric, rein X-rays with triple dps and Lucio Ana would be so insanely fun.
I’m not saying it would be better than 6v6, but at this point anything would be better than 5v5 and maybe the devs wouldn’t be so upset if they went to 7v7 because they wouldn’t “lose” to the “6v6ers”
6v6 for life
Bap is the best tank in the game
He is a support not a tank
@@chrislabedzski9076 bap really is the best tank in the game
It's gonna be a shit-show. They spent the last 2+ years trying to mold OW into a 5v5 with countless reworks and balance passes that going back to 6v6 now is going to be 45 flavors of broken.
Yup but people desperately want 6v6 back so guess we'll have to put up with that process so they can get their of so perfect 6v6 back with 0 flaws
You could drop rein hp by 200 and give him the power to lock his shield hp for 3 seconds so he can survive whole hog and bastion
Flats said an interesting thing about the reason for no 6v6 chat is probably coming from higher up, not within the team. He also said something about Overwatch being playable on the Nintendo Switch but it can barely cope with rendering everything in 5v5 so it would never be able to keep up with all the infomation in 6v6. What if the reason there's no 6v6 chat from the devs is because Blizzard has some legal agreement with Nintendo where Overwatch has to be available on it, which means the whole game on all platforms is limitted by the Switch's hardware. Like maybe the devs all agree that 6v6 is better but they're not allowed to act on it because of a legal agreement.
its cuz 5v5 queues are shorter
Tanks have been "less tanky" since Season 9 because of the DPS Passive. The 75-100 HP Tanks got was not enough to make up for the DPS Passive being added.
Not true
@@DriplessShrimpYou’re wrong
@@anthonygaytan620 no you
Goofy comments
The funny thing is that in 5v5 Mauga is a terrible tank since its either overpowered or useless, but in a 6v6 format Mauga could be an actually fun and balanced tank. Many of the heroes useless or overpowered b/c of 5v5, its not bad hero design as some heroes become bad in 5v5 automatically no matter how they are tweaked and revorked. As Steve Jobs joked once: the management is trying to steer the sinking ship to point in the right direction :)
Custa and other creators gonna feel like clowns if this goes through
I just want to say is OverWatch a game that you can just play your favorite heroes and get volume regardless or a game you have to constantly counter pick to get value.
You can get value with whoever it's just counter play exists but there's ways to play around it people just succumb to the meta and swap constantly
You can outplay and outperform even your counters but people don't wanna learn
Also obviously there's X character thats better than Y character that always happen but when you give people the freedom to pick whoever whenever there's always gonna be counter picking it's just other people ruining the experience for each other
Remember the end of overwatch 1 when they said they were going to make the overwatch 2 tanks more like brawlers, and now they're just tankier than ever and getting tankier still
Please, i beg please bring back 6v6 we won't flame you as much as you think just please
They are trying to return to initial OW2. They figure that's was at its highest. So they going back. They don't realize we hate OW2. We want OW1 back.
Bro i rarely play anymore especially as tank but when i do, I play open queue and usually get a 2 tank comp. It feels 100x better
I want to preference first that I don't particularly care whether the game is 5v5 or 6v6, but I want to ask because of genuine curiosity. Would tanks being tankier really be a problem? Let me elaborate. The thing is, it's particularly the tanks that have high sustain which ends up being meta, such as Hog, Mauga, and Orisa, so if more of the other tanks end up getting sustain, wouldn't that just lessen the gap between all tanks, leading to more tank picks based on map? There is so much value to be gained from eliminating a tank in a fight, so I understand focusing them down, but Sam, Spilo, and others also say that there should be some way to discourage shooting tanks, so wouldn't making tanks tankier be a good reason not to shoot them? I always thought that the shift to 5v5 and making tanks tankier meant that we had to focus more on eliminating the DPS and Supports first before focusing on the Tank. Again, I'm just asking if it really would be a problem if tanks were tankier because I'm not 100% sure whether if this would help the game or not, but I don't think it'd be a bad thing considering this format.
#stopqueuingtank
Or everyone can just stop playing period..
The I need healing at 10:15 Was perfect
I'm not confident their answer will resonate with people who prefer 6v6, especially since there aren't as many developers who were working at Blizz during that time, or that know about OW1's competitive history in enough depth. Not mentioning counterswapping at all in a post about how tank doesn't feel good feels extremely tone deaf too.
Still, I'm glad they're finally addressing it instead of ignoring everyone.
I think the most terrifying thing is, now that they've addressed 6v6 if they say 6v6 isn't possible, the game is going to lose a large percentage of players (myself included) who are still holding out hope that the game will ever get better.
They will never offer 6v6 again.
It’s crazy how tanks in ow1 just seemed more like big dps characters. If I was in a 1v1 with a tank while I’m a dps, it was just a pure fair fight, they had double my health but the hitbox was bigger so I would land more shots on them, the ‘time to kill’ was about the same as fighting a squishy since they only had around double my health instead of quadruple + damage reduction
I have a theory fot tanks. They are composed by 3 main characteristics: health pool, barriers and/or armor. But devs included a number 4 that i think does nof fix well. Health regen. And the ratio of the 3 is not the same as the ratio of the 4, hence the problem imo.
5v5 was the nail in the coffin a year ago. We all knew it. I haven't played in 4 months now. Thank God. 15k hours in ow1. 1k in ow2. 0 hr last 4 months. =)
Now we sit and wait to see what they say about 6v6…. And I think most people can make an educated guess abt what they will say lol
They’re gonna have to rename the class to *Juggernaut* at this rate and boss music when they get nano charged.
They already crossed the line with tank sustain a while ago. It's not only unfun for dps and supports, it's also unfun for each tank facing another tank that is unkillable. They need to look at more speciifc problems for tanks - nade, sleep, storm arrow, etc. There are a small number of specific abilities that make tanking feel garbage to play. Those are the things that need fixed, not making tanks even stronger. They tried that already and now even less people are playing the role.
Nah Tanks definitely need to get giga buffed they are EASILY the weakest role in the game. The amount of times I’ll instantly explode or watch a tank instantly explode is unacceptable. Unless you play Orisa almost every other tank in the game just explodes especially with the amount of ppl running mercy phara rn or like bastion and Mcree. Tanks might technically have higher health pools, but in most circumstances it doesn’t do anything given the sheer amount of damage that’s in this game. All tanks need to get like 25-30% more health armor and shields but they need to lose like 30-40% of there damage. The idea of a tank is to be tanky not be a large dps.
Yeah but that Idea is stupid because it makes it miserable for everybody else, thats why 5v5 is flawed as a format, 1 Giga Tank is not fun for the DPS or Supprot and its also not fun when you yourself get hit with every CC and Counterswapped
@@heiko2255 that why I said to lower there damage. If tanks do far less damage and became more bullet sponges that would teach supports and dps to shoot more valuable targets to get value. As of this moment on OW of 2-3 players on the other team decide to all shoot the tank all at once there is almost nothing that would live. That player would just instantly explode. Dps and supports are more valuable targets and until the developers buff tanks the same monkey 🐒 brained morons are gonna just shoot tank for scoreboard stats and pretend they are getting value. Tanks should be tanky it’s not a wild concept.
i remember back in the day when u could use rein's stomp without getting pulverised instantly
The 5v5 isn't the problem, the problem is that the devs are trying to make us play 5v5 like it was 6v6.
Honestly, in order to 5v5 to work, the role tank should get a complete rework.
Because the tank stats are so overwhelming, it has resulted in counterswaps in OTHER roles. You literally win/lose by the hero select screen as opposed to the actual gameplay itself.
As a tank main in Overwatch 1 and someone who played tanked the first couple seasons of ow2, I’ve essentially completely stopped playing tank in comp for the last 8 seasons, it’s so god damn miserable. You win 1 team and you’re countered picked, it’s just boring. You make 1 error on the dive tanks and you just get every cd thrown at you and insta die, or it’s the opposite where you just have an unkillable orisa or mauga and just shoot the other tank the entire time. I’m done
I’m dreaming of classic overwatch man I’ve been watching old overwatch the few months every now and then and going holy I forgot you could kill things
Dude there’s no way to go back to 2 tanks. You could argue that more people would play tank if there were 2 tanks, but queue times for all other roles would be 30 minutes
Waiting for the update from the devs: "After careful consideration we've decided to KEEP 5v5, we don't want shield shooter sim, riiiight? 5v5 is WAY better."
But Sam, freedo keeps telling me 5v5 is better ? I thought I liked 6v6 more but I forgot it’s not real and is the same as flat earth. How can we go back to 6v6 if a bald guy tells us it trash and apparently never existed like a flat earth? You make no sense. Anyways I’m gonna watch a clip of freedo playing ram getting shot by 5 people and not dying cuz I can’t stand double shield meta. As a tank main I love being counter picked by half the enemy team and I’m pretty sure a lot of tank mains do too. We should just be able to ban hero’s though cuz I love when other people don’t get to have fun on there favourite hero’s. Everyone’s dumb except me because I’m bald and losing subs and views.
-GS Vader
If only there was a outlier patch that made all hero’s fun and viable. But if science has taught me anything it’s to ignore the outliers and not look closer into what happened and why it happened, on a construction site when we have safety procedures in place to make sure everyone goes home to there wives but when some accident happens and someone dies we don’t take a close look because it’s an outlier, we ignore it !!!! No need to understand why it happened and what the cause was because we’re going to ignore it!! No need to understand and report it, why ? because SCIENCE !! BALD GUY THE IGNORE LOGIC GUY !
I think the reason they are talking about buffing tank health pools is because any tank that isn’t Dva, Mauga or Ram will immediately fall over due to the mass amount of cool-downs being constantly pumped into their faces. However if they buff the health pools for tanks they then become too unkillable and make dps feel useless. At this point just go back to 6v6.
When part do they address 6v6?
At what point do we draw the line and ask -I NEED HEALING-
All they have to do is put it in experimental or QP for a half season or full an go from there.
There are several issues now with only 1 tank. There are too many tanks to choose from, with most of them just being buffed up dps. Reduce the tank choices and keep the true tanks. A tank should be a team protector.
I just want to play tank and not be forced to play the rock, paper, scissors game of counter-swapping.
10:15 "when do we draw the line and say I need healing" lol
The problem isn’t that tanks don’t feel tanky it’s more so that coz there’s one tank it’s so easy to counter them and shut them down and then you can pretty much insta die coz of how strong counters are. If you aren’t being countered as a tank then the game is so free and you can just walk at the enemy but if they have counters it feels so horrible.
this plays heavily on how i feel about comp. I dont play comp anymore for the fact that my value is based on if I get competency in my team... forced to carry tons of people who dont have concept of the actual gameplay. and potential value I was getting was gradually taken away
I feel UNKILLABLE as a hog or zarya or JQ main. Esp with a kiriko. It was fun at first. Hog has had some rough days.
Changing to 6v6 would be an admission that Blizzard didn't make an actual sequel.
No, they didn't make one; the point was to revitalize the failing Overwatch game and distract from the Hong Kong controversy back in 2019.
Its funny how the game reached a point where even with gigabuffed tanks, tank players dont wanna play tank, buffing everything, so every role has their own sweet seasons, they dont realize that overtunning one role will make miserable the other 2, but now they fucked up so hard that like i said, even playing raidbosses is not fun
I’m very worried, imma permanently stop playing (even though I hardly play this anymore), if they’re unironically gonna make tanks more tanky and leave it at that.. Dva already kills me for free if I won’t or can’t run away as dps or support.
My theory of 5v5 being unable to be balanced with Blizz's balancing philosophy has been proven.
You cannot buff stuff. Overbuffed characters in 5v5 are super oppressive. Sojourn, Illari, Hog, Mauga, Orisa, and Kiriko have proven this. You can't have a character that is too strong because it feel awful to interact with them.
The game needs the characters to be weaker to function, but nerfing things makes twitter go apeshit. So they pander to bronze players who are in ranks they are not suppose instead of just making every role weaker so that the time to kill is the same, but its not as oppressive/annoying to fight.
6v6 could handle characters being a smidge too good. The only reason why it felt awful near the end is cuz everything that was too good was waaaay too good.
If you did what blizzard did to tanks but to every other role you’d see the same issues, one least dps you have to giga buff and nerf and have to design every other role around these changes, same thing for support if you only had on support you’d have to giga buff and nerf like they are to tanks and change the way they design hero’s across the board. This needs to stop and they need to admit they were wrong like they did before and actually fix the issues!!!
What ddo you think of selective role queue? My only issue with 6v6 and why I've been on the 5v5 side is because I dont want long queue times or priority passes back and I dont think open queue will be as fun with all these broken heros, open queue worked at launch because the heros were actually all well designed but now I feel like open queue would result in stuff that makes goats seem healthy.
But if you join a match with fast queue times and are forced to pick quickly or get shafted to a role no one picked, do you think that would be an option? They tested it with the creator patch and it felt good there but ofc that was 5v5 so I would like the opinion of the format man himself 😂
I’ve just been enjoying the finals and I played Apex most of overwatch 2’s lifespan, prefer the games that caters to one’s skill and not inflates my ego by giving us larger hit boxes..
Always great info brother ty for being you and not fake to appeal to the whole scene!!! :::=^)
I'm guessing the next buff to tanks they will make is reduced ult charge generation when attacking tanks. 🤣
i have to say the way aaron is talking aboout 6v6 is like a middle schooler hiding a bad report card, "yeah we should talk about tanks, and yeaaaah theres a problem with 5v5 but maybe you wont be mad....? if i tell the truth???"
Dont worry guys. Ow3 will be announced with 6v6 returning being the selling point.
bro chill, it keeps things fresh
What keeps what fresh?
I mean, if it takes them months to add extra avoid slots.... it's over
The problem with tanks is not because theyre not tanky enough, its because of couterpicking being too strong. Not once did they try to combat counterpicking and seeing as they say that they were wrong and its "part of the game" i dont think they ever will. Thus making tanks just miserable no matter how tanky they become. All we're doing is making the other 2 roles also have a miserable time with the tank players.
Buffing tank health pools isn't really gonna help, they need to address the root problem. Tanks are already tanky enough, but since there's only one they are extremely susceptible to counter-swapping. If the entire enemy team swaps to tank busters (Mauga-Reaper-Junkrat-Zen-Ana), the game is basically unplayable, or at the very least your hero selection pool is reduced to 2 (Zarya or D.Va).
I am an Old season 1 Bastion main from overwatch 1... I had done it all and I can say you are right Tanks should not be That Extremely Tanky.... Since now either The Tanks literally just Jump in and Harras Back lines without any Problem and tank 4 enemy's at once.... And in higher elos tanks are literally Walls....
Back then Double shield where hate... But I know it better I played Bastion not only because I loved this Char but to show That There are still heroes to Rip Double shield appart... It wasn't as terrible as it sounded... But back then Bastion hate where collosal for no reason... Now I am hating it since even with bastion you can't kill the tanks anymore...
so let me get this straight... right now theres one tank and the argument is its too tanky and the two tanks are just there to take damage. so the magic solution to this is to add another tank. right. i see. ive been so dumb this entire time
My man’s on the verge of tears
I know entering Sam's comments is a toxic minefield, but as a tank player, I'd much rather play against 1 other tank instead of Horse/Mauga. JQ Mauga. It fucking blows as a tank player to get blown up by opposing DPS in a 3v1, it would suck more to have it happen in a 1v1. Games moved past 6v6 and needs to work on balance changes around 5v5 that they haven't done. Balance issue > format issue, counterswapping is whatever.
“Bring back Overwatch 1”
solution is simple actually. why they just dont give dps passive to tanks as well. they just need dps passive. also surviveability isn't the issue, issue is offensive effectiveness. cut some hp and give more effective dmg. reverse the armor, put it in bottom part of the hp bar and bring back 30% armor dmg reduction. or add a new passive that automatically recognizes how many players shooting the tank and if it's more than 3 then tank gets dmg reduction passive. tanks blow up because 5 people focus fire. that's an obvious problem. this way you can nerf tank's normal defense so dps can have more fair 1v1 against tanks but in 5 person spam fire tanks are more tanky.
So im confused, at what point did the Address 6v6? i Defninatley saw them adressing balance in general and i guess that is a result of taking 6v6 away, but they literally never address 6v6 once from what i can tell? easy dislike.
16:15 They didn't say much yet but the will talk about it next post
They don’t play their own game… and people are like “imagine having to face Mauga hog. And obviously we revert a lot of stuff such as canceling breather. I love the tank role, it’s my best role but holy fuck im miserable
Me: what about Dps heros not being able to kill anything. Devs: you’re right we need to buff tank and supports again. Me:🙂🫠☠️
I wonder how many people are playing right now, since all my years in overwatch, the first time I don't feel like playing, not one bit. With Elden Ring dlc and a lot of other fun games to play, they don't give me a reason to come back this season.
I've been a diehard fan since OW1 beta. Right when season 11 dropped, I basically reduced my playtime like crazy lol. Just tired at this point.
Last time i quit like this in ow1 was the same exact meta the games in right now (i quit season 8 and the games only gotten worse since then). The meta im refering to is when dps felt useless (except in ow2 everything feels useless). So basically the entire goats meta, somewhere around there.
Right now this game feels like goats + double shield combined. Isnt that amazing? How they could do that in 5v5. Even though 5v5 was suppose to fix that? I dont think ive had another game other then overwatch where i just quit and just dont think or care about the game at all after quitting. The games so far from what it use to be its not even overwatch anymore. Literally the only positive to all this is how they removed alot of CC but that could of been done in 6v6 just as easily. When i prefer all the cc that was in ow1 rather then what we have now, you know something is truly wrong.
@@commandoch12i5 Same since 2016, now this game feels like a downgrade instead of a sequel. I played this season the first day that came out and then dropped.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin Ngl, I prefer Goats or Double shield over 5v5, at least on lower ranks and quick play it wasn't so atrocious.
@@aqueleRu Yea i came back when double shield was still pretty good but it was barely played, and even when it was played it felt fine to play agaisnt. Like it was just another "option" instead of being the meta. Even when it was super OP, players couldnt really play it right in diamond
so it didnt matter really.
Goats also was barely played, but i cant remember what exactly the changes were but dps were just useless only like 3-4 of them were "semi viable"(This was before role que, so 2018 somewhere in this timezone) I think it was the amount of CC and healing in the game that made them feel bad. and i stopped playing until role que was added. Played a bit quit again, and then came back like before or right after the oct 2020 patch. And that was some of the best overwatch ive ever played. Even with 10+ minute ques, even with some double shield here and there, even with hanamura and 2cp, even with all the CC, even with With no new content. And thats saying something and thats sad.
They've put more effort into trying to make this work than it would take to convert to 6v6 at this point.
which is utterly hilarious, it is the same as the you dont want wow classic thing LMAO
Bruh a semi competent dev team who actually plays the game instead of looking only at stat spreadsheets could probably fix this game in 6v6 within half a year at most. And I mean truly fix, not just balance tanks, but also rework some of the major hack abilities like suzu, swift step, lamp, grip, etc.
Devs just dont know their own game. They look on papers with numbers, while the players actually sink 1000s of hours each into the real gameplay experience. Theory vs practice.
This is why their whole PvE division got shut down. They likely kept committing to an idea, not thinking it all the way through before hitting an obstacle, and then abandoning it for a potentially better idea.
The leadership at Blizzard is the problem here. They NEED to manage their resources more effectively: settle on a collective vision, come up with a very long term strategy, analyze EVERY possible flaw and how to resolve it (without also accidentally ricocheting into another bad idea), and then FULLY COMMIT to the strategy with properly aligned talent and direction.
I can't even imagine what daily life at Blizzard is like. Other than just hitting deadlines, I don't think they have any actual benchmarks of how they feel they SHOULD be performing.
@@arbalest327 oh hey it's you again AND IKR LMFAO WILL THEY EVER LEARN
That's because the game's biggest issue has nothing to do with format. 5v5 is in a much better state than it was in two years ago, it will continue to slowly improve.
You people also underestimate just how much pre-2022 work would need to be undone to even attempt to bring 6v6 to the live game and return the polished OW1 experienced.
They made their decision 5-6 years ago, they're stuck with it, we're stuck with it. Eventually you guys will settle down and stop shouting about 6v6.
YIEEEPIE just took them 2 years to announce that they will address it in a future blog post...
“6v6 just won’t work so we won’t be considering bringing it back”
@@monki9941 I mean knowing the devs they'll try to please as much people as possible doing the worst they can ending up in the game losing players so...
Either way the debate will end and people will be able to move on.
They're gonna say you think you do but you dont, take off rose tinted glasses, stop spreading hate ect.
In which case I can finally be free and give up on tank role forever cause there's nothing to hope for anymore
@@PlainDoll imagine they actually pull a wow classic, the community would turn on them so badly.
I stopped playing tank the past 2 seasons until they go back to 6 v 6. Tank is unplayable in my opinion
I like playing tank but I'm a lucio main in a mercy world, so it's all I can play and not make me miserable. That being said, I shamelessly counter pick on tank THE INSTANT I CAN. Only reason I'm having fun is because I'm going out my way to prevent fun and I understand that. The game is in a bad state and I'm just abusing the issue.
@@BTRshowur the reason i cant have fun on dva
@@kempurin *laughs in rammatra*
@@BTRshowi mean, if you don’t swap the enemy team will more than likely to counter swap to prevent you having fun, it’s fully understandable lmfao
stopped playing tank in Seasson 4 best decision ever
More health on tank = more abilities usage on tank = tank still feeling miserable to play = tank still not being fun. I dunno mane pretty simple stuff if u ask me. Ur not gonna make tank fun and balanced in a 5v5 format it’s either the tank have fun and no one else or everyone else have fun besides the tank.
Ive said this for so long its hard to focus other people when 1/3 of the teams power is standing right in front of you with very exploitable weaknesses defensive cooldowns and a giant hitbox in the average players games killing the tank is the most effective way to win if you take out a the dva in front of you before they kill your ram your at a massive advantage and in order to even the score they would have to kill one tank or two people on the same role and killing the slower big guy is way easier than chasing the smaller faster targets
6v6 is not better so better stay 5v5
As a hitskan heroes main - I would have hated 6v6 so hard
@skrypnkk.770 Great argument buddy, you really convinced everyone.
@@BeastMode-bw2ry no one cares about your opinion either.
90% or more of 6v6 fans - are tank players. Obviously smallest part of community
5v5 has way more supporters that is why I am glad 6v6 will never be back
@@skrypnykk.770 i care about his opinion
We need to ask Freelo what he thinks after he’s done polishing Blizzards knob
no one is polishing blizzards knob more than the guy crying and moaning about how the game sucks for 20 videos in a row but STILL PLAYS THE GAME ;)
@@JustFishBait He gets the bag and deep down still has love for Overwatch, just not 5v5
I shit on the devs too and want 6v6 back more than anything else, but i do occaisonally play... just to realise how fucking bad this game has become, but i do play lol
@@heiko2255you coping if you think 6v6 will solve anything.
@@JustFishBaitbro it’ll bring back a whole other generation of overwatch players. You know the people who paid for the game not once but multiple of time s
@@JustFishBait you are coping if you think 5v5 will ever be better than 6v6 bud
All this because they wanted to profit off the Free to play format, but had to market it as a new game. Well played, blizzard.
They couldve just made overwatch 1 F2P, and impletmented Microtransactions and updates from there.
@@darkpaw3734 but that would have made them look scummy
@@mattiej2311 It would of looked a lot less scummy than the absolute rugpull they did with overwatch 2. There have been been an influx of games that go f2p after a while especially when the game is becoming less popular but I guess if they never abandoned OW1 the way they did then maybe it wouldn't have died enough to justify it
@@lifted71blazer yeah them abandoning the game for 2 and a half years was dumb
@@darkpaw3734 I think you forgot the overhaul performance boosts that improved for overwatch 2. Getting a 2nd version was inevitable whether 5v5 or 6v6 was in mind. And ofc, they are a business, obviously they are gonna try to profit within their interests. Clearly the battlepass model is working or else the game wouldn't continue going on as it is. The moment they listen is if the game isn't showing the numbers anymore. At least its a bit better than valorant and actually give good looking skins with the battlepass instead of crummy ones.
OW Devs be like:
- Increases Tank's max health, and then increase everyone's max health (Including tanks again).
- Makes burst damage (and aim in general) less impactful overall.
- Makes Tank passively take less damage from headshots (Which was sometimes the only way to kill a tank).
- Repeatedly adds more ways to gain overhealth.
- Give supports too much power and then refuse to nerf them (instead decide to change literally everything else about the game).
- Adds Kiriko, who has the most problematic, infuriating, and overtuned kit ever; Being able to do everything with no weaknesses, risk, or drawbacks. Refuse to nerf her despite being meta for 11 seasons straight.
- Barely makes any effort to fix the issues involving Bap and Brig, in fact, makes said issues worse.
- Adds and buffs a bunch of burst healing / AoE healing (such as making Bap's regen burst heal more instantly when people are below half)
- Refuse to address problematic support abilities that grant invulnerability or too much survivability
- Hears the community ask for healing / support power to be reduced, only to side step with a "band-aid" DPS Passive, only to increase healing again.
- Creates a bunch of tanks with (Or gives certain tanks) very high self-sustain, damage resistance/mitigation, overhealth, and/or shields.
Also OW Devs: "Tanks aren't tank-y enough"
I mean they aren't and they are you either live forever or die immediately you either get counterswapped or counter swap yourself
@@theuigoon7579 thats not them not being tanky tho thats them tanking the whole ass lobby
@@mryellow6918 Imma be honest it doesn't even have to be the whole lobny I'm a tank player being playing a lot of DPS pharah sojourn and cass can fucking melt but yeah it's a 5v5 issue
Tanks aren't tanky because there is only one. It was always a format issue.
No
How do they define how many deaths a tank ought to have? This just brings in another layer of interpretation to the balance that doesnt need to be there.
You must understand. The devs don't actually play the game, so to understand it, they need a number to represent a feeling. It's the only thing they can do with their limited skill lol
@@Real_MisterSir but you know the devs totally have testers in gm. Lmao
It's probably a comparison based on the number of deaths before the health pools changes. But it was so poorly explained with so few details that it's hard to believe that it's somewhat relevant
@user-cy6xl3vd3f it has to be relevant if they are using it to gauge how tanky the tanks are. It shouldn't rely solely on comparing one thing to another as that gets rid of the objectivity.
They said they can't go into the specifics and I'm like damn is it that complicated of a stat to calculate?
@user-cy6xl3vd3f so I believe it's a statistic idk if that's the best word to use so it's like let say im a Gm mercy player top 500 etc high rank player so it proba factors my skill/mercy stats and I'd assumed give a ratio of death you should be experiencing so since I'm a gm mercy my deaths should be 10 5 or less then that
Devs are stupid, game is stupid.
Hear me out 6 vs 5, defender side gets a Gigabuffed Mauga and the attacking side gets two shit tanks.
They will never go back to 6v6 because they'd rather drink breastmilk than admit defeat.
I mean its blizzard. Theyd probably want to drink it
And when we move to 6v5, and it has been like that for a while (and of course it turned out to be shit), they will start bitching about how 5v5 was nostalgia and rose tinted glasses.
Oh boy, do I have a story to tell you.
@@I_m_himdont even start 😂 don’t you dare 😂
Was that breast milk thing purposeful? 😂
I can't wait for them to just say why they won't go back to 6v6 in the post so I can finally fully be free and uninstall the game. I haven't played in months as is but I itch to play it so badly.
This is it. This is the final make or brake moment for overwatch. Ive been playing this game since october 2016. I have completley quit playing the game for season 11 of overwatch 2. As god is my witness, if they say " we wont be going back to 6V6" on this dev update i am officially leaving the game forever.
If they dont go back to 6v6 now, i dont see this game surviving beyond 2 years from now.
I just cant do it anymore man. I survived goats, i survived triple tank, beyblade, dive and even the abandonment of 2020. But i cant keep playing it as it is right now. Legitimatly one of the most unfun games ive ever played in its current state.
Cya next week
>Survive beyblade
A veteran
@Vsauce596 this games not addicting bro, theres no next week for alot of people. Same way ow1 died will be the same way ow2 dies
@@Vsauce596 queue times are already back to being over 10 minutes lil bro, they keep this up more players are gonna quit lmao
Same here. Quit this season and I'm officially quitting if they don't go back to 6v6.
Nah bro, its good 😊 just release another mercy skin. The whales will compensate for how bad the devs are.....surely
My casual group abandoned the awful Role Queue and we went Open Queue full time, and the game is properly fun again. The game feels so much more alive and dynamic, much like the OW1 we loved. The answer is right in front of the devs and they refuse to see it. Keep fighting the 6v6 fight!
This. Role queue was not necessary the only reason it was implemented was to kill GOATS and as a byproduct it created queue time problems. And omg DPS is the most popular role what a fucking surprise!
As a flex player I honestly liked played tank but only on certain maps others I would like to play support or dps but now I have to choose my role before seeing the map??
Yeah fuck that
I actually agree with you I even ran into some goat comps still found ot hetter then role she it just need to be bounce right *looks at balance team* yeah no they will ruin it
As a tank main open q isssssss waaaaaayyyyy mo’ funner. But I also don’t give a fuck if a win or lose cuz it’s a joke game mode they no one plays. And plays are masters. But as a twin player the off tank just makes me life sooooooooooooooo much better. Rein zar ? Enough said. Widow ? Dva monkey dives her. Got a ram ? I shield while he punches there hole team. Jq ? Knifes, I swing , I fuck yo and pin because I’m at half mast playing with another tank, JQ shouts I stop eating my Cap’n Crunch cuz I ain’t dying no more now I’m swinging that thang. Falcon beauuuuu
5vs5 in Overwatch is like 4vs4 in LoL, you cant be at the line and the jungle at the same time
LMAO the timing. 10:12
''Ask yourself, at what point do we draw the line and say I NEED HEALING''
It’s the best thing that happened lmfaoo
The biggest thing for me, is I can't be in two places at once. Someone in my backline, do I peel and leave front defenseless, and let the tank steamroll? Or do I let my supports die and defend Frontline?
Answer: uninstall
Answer: That can't be answered. Way too situational to be a yes or no question. Game isn't a flowchart.
These people (devs) are absolutely fucking delusional. Psychotic is the understatement of the near DECADE that this game has been around.
6v6 is the ONLY FIX for this right now. Period. Bring Tank synergies back, and massively reduce health pools. Bring PLAYMAKING BACK, FOR ALL ROLES.
Get rid of these complete cop-out "I can't die" buttons, and inject some actual
S K I L L back in the game.
I'm still amazed they haven't pulled a OW Classic play, and seen how well sales go to try to bait people's money out of them. Which of course would instantly kill OW2 for the most part, because everyone who wants 6v6 would go to that instead. But we all know Blizzard doesn't know how to even remotely look at what people want, because they're always right...
I think when they finally do the switch to 6v6 we should praise it, as it is the right choice. If they are able to drop the ego and admit they fucked up, I think that is commendable.
I couldn’t help but feel bitter at the bending over backwards for years trying to make 5v5 work.
Like they would need to bring back the stocks.
At this point its too late, already quit this game seasons ago.
All the Integrity of this game is gone. All the content creators except like flats all sold out and calling their whole communitys who know 6v6 is better "idiots, flat earthers, anti vaxxers". It's just disgusting.
We are way past the point of no return, the game can die completely for all i care at this point.