Illusive Man can do the same thing but bleated about how he wasn't black and white for two games, look at all the damage he did and he KNEW about indoctrination. Saren was violently anti human but you can see he stuck to his code once he realised he was being controlled and took himself out, he was basically a turian renegade Shepard.
I don't I trust Anderson and his stories about Saren don't show him out to be a saint. Plus he gunned down Nihlus in cold blood before any serious indoctrination began
That suicide hit me outta nowhere. Did not expected that and I got this in my first playthrough, where I experienced the game without any pre-information about it. What a magic moment in gaming that was.
A final act of heroism from a man who wanted to save everyone, but lost himself and his values in the process, Saren should be remembered not as a villain but as the hero of a greek tragedy
@@niclasneziru1854 I really liked him as a villain. Sadly they put more of his lore into the background, like books and so on, but not into the game itself xD
Nevin Rhymer nope,he wanted to be useful to the reapers so they might spare them. He didn't realize that the reapers wanted to kill everyone no matter what. it's a misconception that people do only basing on his comment when he just said about the reaper tech implanted in his body was making him better.
King Derner Cousland ....You just agreed with me. He wanted to be "useful" to the reapers simply out of fear for his life. In one of the dialogue branches of this final battle he mentions how you "can't beat the reapers. Surrender or perish there are no other options!" That clearly shows that he was acting out of fear for his life. Saren was never the ideologue who wanted Synthesis for the sake it of though. That is where people mess up.
Did you know that Saren and The Illusive Man (Jack Harper) have met in the past (First Contact War) and both contacted with reaper artefact (blue eyes, understanding reaper language). And both died in similar way, suicide.
He died in honor, but all in all he caused more pain that bliss, also he didn't bring the galaxy one step closer to the defeat of the reapers right? Ok... this last question is hard to answer :/
Had a lot of respect for Saren after he did this. He fought off that fucking indoctrination and did what he had to. That was actually a "good guy" move. Damn that hoverboard was badass. Single best ME villain off all time.
+King Derner Cousland I agree. In terms of gameplay i preferd 2 and 3. But 1 just felt more mysterious. YOu did not know as much. The villians were intimdating ETC. I just cant describe it 100%
Saren was a really good villain because his reason for doing what he did are actually _relatable_ for everyone; he wanted to save lives. Sure, his methods were brutal and he sacrificed everything he believed in his quest to save the Milky Way by making a deal with the Devil, but his reasons for doing so were understandable. Logical, even, in a twisted way. Saren is in essence the incarnation of the saying: "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." And that's precisely the reason why he's so interesting. And why writing a good villain is a lot harder than writing a hero. Sovereign is more force-of-nature, and the fact that It, and the Reapers, are so un-relatable, is what make them, and their motivations so riveting to the player to witness. Something huge is coming, and all life hangs in the balance. Powerful shit. Too bad all of this was pretty much ruined but there are high notes in even the later games. But I think we can all agree that Mass Effect 1 is by far the best story, and game, in the trilogy.
+SliQster When you add to your excellent explanation that both Saren and Sovereign had excellent voice actors and very well done special effects in their voice then you get a recipe for a masterpiece of video game storytelling. I love ME2 story telling too, but Harbinger really isn't doing the job as well as Saren and Sovereign. His voice is too flat and he talks WAY too much, generally to say silly and irrelevant things. He seems to be incapable of not saying what he's going to do next. Grunt should have said instead: "Reapers talk too much! Come back later Harbinger."
Saren redeemed himself in the last moment but let's just not forget his mission with Admiral Hackett back in the day, He let those innocent civilian dies just to finish the mission even when he wasn't in mind control hazed, his acted still truely extreme.
This was an interesting moment. Got it on my first play-through. I was glad I still had a final boss to fight though since at first I went "Well that was a little to easy.."
Both Jack Harper and Saren were controlled by the reaper. In the first contact war in Shanxi they found a reaper artifact. This artifact took control of Jack Harper and Saren. A small but still dominant characteristic of Saren and Jack Harper is that both got bright blue eyes. Saren actually had no problem against human until his brother died during the first contact war. Since this day he hated the whole human kind and he also had a big jelousy against the strong increase of human dominance in the Citadel.
Lmao, Saren doesn't want Synthesis, Saren just wants to be the slaves of the Reapers like the Collectors. Synthesis is different and possibly one of the best endings IMO because it creates peace between Organic and Synthetics. I would never chose Destroy ending though, it would waste all my effort of making peace between the Geth and the Quarians. And possibly doom nearly everyone on Earth becausd the destruction of the Mass Relay.
never fully focused on one side i just did what i personally though was best or funny but i got to use my charm and intimidation for nearly everything but this
1:34 I really don't get why they didn't flashback to this when introducing the Synthesis ending. It makes perfect sense. TIM- Control Saren- Synthesis Anderson - Destroy
It's actually quite shocking really, I mean at the time, seeing a character commit suicide on-screen. Never understood why TIM's potential suicide in ME3 is slightly off-screen, though.
I got the other ending where we fight because I didn’t have enough in Intimidate nor in Charm. My charm was like 1 or 2 away from Max but my intimate was only like half done.
Yeah you fight him three times in total in the game. With better charm only two times, I did it in my 4th playthrough because I was figuring out all the classes and stuff that I miss.
Saren was the only one to match and overpower Shepard in combat, besides the Shadow Broker... I wanted Saren to show up on the citadel in Mass Effect 3 , he shoots TIM, and tells Shepard to go. Saren than vanishes further indicating the indoctrination theory.
chino3089 They are called theories for a reason... Like science it can be proven wrong so keep in mind that Mass Effect 4 can clear up this story further.
Sends a chill up my spine everytime I watch this. I can't play this game without having Saren commit suicide. its makes him more of teh tragic hero that he is meant to be.
Yeah the combat, the squad mates and the little touches to the me universe like the blast six trailer, the banter between squad mates and all those things still make the game worthwhile. Hopefully, the extended cut will provide closure and resolution to the series when it's released.
Saren's life was over. Even if he did live he realized his career was effectively over, he'd be hunted down and executed, and Sovereigns implants would overrule anything he did. Better to play the redemption card then go down as a villain.
lol you think most of the people who worked on Mass Effect 3 know ANYTHING about Mass Effect 1? The teams were pretty much entirely different and it it shows.
Heh, Saren was right the whole time about final evolution of all organic life being a fusion of organic and synthetic, assuming you pick the middle option at the end of ME3.
It might just be me, but even Saren committing suicide didn't redeem him in my eyes; my thought was, 'May you *burn* in Hell forever, you *son of a bitch*.' Nothing, *absolutely NOTHING* about Saren was sympathetic to me; I *despised* him. He was more loathsome than Sovereign, in my opinion; at least Sovereign hates everyone equally, and isn't a howling bigot like Saren.
Saren: EA needs fans like us, they realize our value, join me and together we can experience a true gaming rebirth Sheppard: EA doesn't use fans, they just take their money and discard them, as soon as you pay for their product, you'll be cast aside. Saren: I have no choice, You saw the endings, you saw what they did to Command and Conquer, Pay for their new DLC and Products, there are no other options....
I wish you had chosen the paragon option for the last one. Telling him that he can still redeem himself seems a lot more dramatic and just better sounding than telling him to kill himself, "if he's got the guts."
Sad story; the Turian who played Saren in the popular reenactment of the adventures of Shepard had recently finished ME3 himself; he committed suicide an hour latter.
I mean, it is faster to fight him regardless, at that point in the game, you are overpowered enough to do a single burst and boss fight is over, same with the second phase. Was surprised on my first playthrough how quickly he went down in the fight.
That's why IMO Loghain is the best antagonist Bioware ever created. No evil monster/villain is indoctrinating him, he has understandable motives and human/real personality issues and that's why I think he's more complex than Saren and TIM. I don't know if you know them but I also like to see more antagonists like Jacques De Aldesberg and Letho from The Witcher 1 and 2.
@Mr13Xariel Nah it's actually possible to do it on one play through. Just have to do enough side quests to level up. Got the chat option on my first play through when I had it on the Xbox.
Well actually in ME2, Harbinger during the run back to the normandy at the end of the suicide mission says,"That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction". This hints that the reapers are saving organic life as stated in ME3.
Sooo i have a conclusion Saren wants synthetics and organics to blend together resulting to the synthesis choice in ME3,then the illusive man wants to take control of the reapers wich result in the control choice in ME3,and then there goes everyone on the galaxy who wants to get the reapers destroyed wich result in the destroy choice in ME3,if you choose either synthesis and control,that means you are indoctrinated since you complete the goal of the one who was indoctrinated before,if you choose destroy,that means you're choosing to help everyone but the indoctrinated guys and those AIs,basically destroy is the best choice even tho geth and edi will be ded,also if control choice the shepard as an controller is the real Shepard,he might get corrupted when being on control of the reapers for too long,wich result in the kid AI thingy we see on the end of the ME3 ending
anyone got that special feeling when the music came in when saren shot himself? like.. fuck ye and oh i feel bad at the same time? ME1's story and climax build was deff in the best in the entire series
Yes, exactly. Which is one of the many reasons why I believed (believe?) the indoctrination theory for the end of ME3. It's too weird how Saren believed it was the "final evolution", and TIM thought controlling the Reapers was the only solution, and yet those (and destroying the Repaers, what you've tried to do all along) are the 3 solutions for the end of ME3.
Let's all live in the innocently awesome world of ME1, where there was no bullshit synthesis ending or a fuck-up of an indoctrination theory....let's just enjoy this moment while we can.
The reason why it seemed like a Hero's Death was because it kind of was one. All Saren wanted to do was to not let the Reapers kill everyone, but he chose the dark path.
@schwinn1977 I'm sure Saren was also convinced by a little boy to go with synthesis. Seriously, I doubt it's a coincidence that TIM and Saren's ultimate goals with the reapers corrupted by subtle indoctrination are the ones the catalyst describes as preferable to destroy. If that's not the Harbinger trying to indoctrinate you, then I don't know what is.
@xDSqxRazoRx oh, right. I admit I thought that was iffy but I expected some kind of prothean super weapon to be the way to beat the reapers, after reading about the derelict reaper and some kind of ancient cannon while scanning planets I figured bioware would do something like that since there's no way to conventionally beat the reapers, I see your point tho. I guess another red flag for me was how anticlimactic assembling the fleets were, I thought I'd get to see all my war assets come
With this final act, Saren earned my respect.
Diablos Felt sad for him tho..
Illusive Man can do the same thing but bleated about how he wasn't black and white for two games, look at all the damage he did and he KNEW about indoctrination.
Saren was violently anti human but you can see he stuck to his code once he realised he was being controlled and took himself out, he was basically a turian renegade Shepard.
Diablos he’s still a coward scumbag!! His Suicide death only redeemed half in my book!!
@@Hitmonchris5678 He was mind controlled by the sovereingn dude
@@Ian-sm2ry If you read the ME Evolution comics and the novel ME Revelations you'd know he was a sadistic scumbag LONG before he met Sovereign
You hated him through whole game, but with this moment you loved him and felt sorry for him.
MardukeTheRaven exactly
Felt sorry for him when I was trying to talk him down on Virmire.
@@Rockcroc2000Rm1wE3erWmNfkL same, I actually felt kinda bad for him
I loved him. But I NEVER EVER felt sorry for him one single moment. Not even at the end.
I don't
I trust Anderson and his stories about Saren don't show him out to be a saint. Plus he gunned down Nihlus in cold blood before any serious indoctrination began
That suicide hit me outta nowhere. Did not expected that and I got this in my first playthrough, where I experienced the game without any pre-information about it. What a magic moment in gaming that was.
Same here! The music and the splash of blue from the back of his head, him falling. One of the best moments in gaming I've seen so far!
thanks to Carpishin.
A final act of heroism from a man who wanted to save everyone, but lost himself and his values in the process, Saren should be remembered not as a villain but as the hero of a greek tragedy
@@niclasneziru1854 I really liked him as a villain. Sadly they put more of his lore into the background, like books and so on, but not into the game itself xD
Same his suicide really surprised me too
Saren only wanted Synthesis
Nevin Rhymer The Indoctrinated Saren wanted Synthesis. The other Saren just wanted to live even if it meant appeasing the reapers.
Nevin Rhymer nope,he wanted to be useful to the reapers so they might spare them.
He didn't realize that the reapers wanted to kill everyone no matter what.
it's a misconception that people do only basing on his comment when he just said about the reaper tech implanted in his body was making him better.
King Derner Cousland ....You just agreed with me. He wanted to be "useful" to the reapers simply out of fear for his life. In one of the dialogue branches of this final battle he mentions how you "can't beat the reapers. Surrender or perish there are no other options!" That clearly shows that he was acting out of fear for his life. Saren was never the ideologue who wanted Synthesis for the sake it of though. That is where people mess up.
Synthesis is different to indoctrination
he wanted to be useful because he was indoctrinated.
Fred Tatasciore did an amazing job voicing Saren.
Wait, THAT'S FRED TATASCIORE?!
DarkenedArc Yes it is.
Yes it is. Look it up. It's on his wikipedia page,
I thought it was common knowledge. I've known that since the game first came out.
The best voice acting of the saga
Did you know that Saren and The Illusive Man (Jack Harper) have met in the past (First Contact War) and both contacted with reaper artefact (blue eyes, understanding reaper language). And both died in similar way, suicide.
+Fi Skirata To be fair, they only commit suicide if you talk them into it.
I also want to say Jack was there when Saren's brother was killed?
saren's brother too, desolas
@@CryloBen I.e. making them realize they're indoctrinated.
In the end, he's the hero that gave the galaxy as we know it a second chance.
You confounded something... This is not Darth Vader
He died in honor, but all in all he caused more pain that bliss, also he didn't bring the galaxy one step closer to the defeat of the reapers right? Ok... this last question is hard to answer :/
he was sincerely sure, that what he was doing was gonna save billions of lives. saren is the best antagonist i've ever seen.
One of the most memorable videogame villains ever.
The guy who does the voice of Saren should be casted as Megatron someday.
He was. He played him in the video games :)
@Novus Ordo Seclorum Wait, WHAT?! That's Saren?! Damn, need to rewatch the videos of those games.
Had a lot of respect for Saren after he did this. He fought off that fucking indoctrination and did what he had to. That was actually a "good guy" move. Damn that hoverboard was badass. Single best ME villain off all time.
First time I played it, I was like: "WOW I talked myself out of the final battle! :D"
...and then Sovereign woke me up. :/
Mass effect 3 makes miss Sovereign and Saren.
alexlyutyy ME3 never actually had well written villians
Only Sovereign and Saren were actual villians.
+King Derner Cousland I agree. In terms of gameplay i preferd 2 and 3. But 1 just felt more mysterious. YOu did not know as much.
The villians were intimdating ETC. I just cant describe it 100%
***** That's what i thought too.
Why didn't they care to build up Harbinger as they did with Saren?
Saren was a really good villain because his reason for doing what he did are actually _relatable_ for everyone; he wanted to save lives. Sure, his methods were brutal and he sacrificed everything he believed in his quest to save the Milky Way by making a deal with the Devil, but his reasons for doing so were understandable. Logical, even, in a twisted way. Saren is in essence the incarnation of the saying:
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
And that's precisely the reason why he's so interesting. And why writing a good villain is a lot harder than writing a hero.
Sovereign is more force-of-nature, and the fact that It, and the Reapers, are so un-relatable, is what make them, and their motivations so riveting to the player to witness. Something huge is coming, and all life hangs in the balance. Powerful shit.
Too bad all of this was pretty much ruined but there are high notes in even the later games. But I think we can all agree that Mass Effect 1 is by far the best story, and game, in the trilogy.
+SliQster When you add to your excellent explanation that both Saren and Sovereign had excellent voice actors and very well done special effects in their voice then you get a recipe for a masterpiece of video game storytelling. I love ME2 story telling too, but Harbinger really isn't doing the job as well as Saren and Sovereign. His voice is too flat and he talks WAY too much, generally to say silly and irrelevant things. He seems to be incapable of not saying what he's going to do next. Grunt should have said instead: "Reapers talk too much! Come back later Harbinger."
Saren redeemed himself in the last moment but let's just not forget his mission with Admiral Hackett back in the day, He let those innocent civilian dies just to finish the mission even when he wasn't in mind control hazed, his acted still truely extreme.
He hated humans because his brother died in the first contact war.
He went with Anderson, not Hackett
He had nothing but a dark past to be remembered for. There wasn't even a body to bury. :( Which I found really sad.
This was an interesting moment. Got it on my first play-through. I was glad I still had a final boss to fight though since at first I went "Well that was a little to easy.."
He actually thanks you?Wow.Now I feel pretty guilty that my charm skill wasn't high enough.
Both Jack Harper and Saren were controlled by the reaper. In the first contact war in Shanxi they found a reaper artifact. This artifact took control of Jack Harper and Saren. A small but still dominant characteristic of Saren and Jack Harper is that both got bright blue eyes. Saren actually had no problem against human until his brother died during the first contact war. Since this day he hated the whole human kind and he also had a big jelousy against the strong increase of human dominance in the Citadel.
Wow full options for both renegade and paragon available. Not too shabby.
"Saren was a compelling and charismatic individual."
Goddess be with you.
Am I the only one who wanted Saren to be a multi-game villain?
far from it, he'd have been amazing to see over the span of the trilogy
funny, you actually have the option of synthesis in ME3
which is why i didn't choose it
+Jacob Freund (Jfreun1) me too
Yeah but neither of them Shepard and Saren didn't know there's that way
Lmao, Saren doesn't want Synthesis, Saren just wants to be the slaves of the Reapers like the Collectors. Synthesis is different and possibly one of the best endings IMO because it creates peace between Organic and Synthetics. I would never chose Destroy ending though, it would waste all my effort of making peace between the Geth and the Quarians. And possibly doom nearly everyone on Earth becausd the destruction of the Mass Relay.
Relays get destroyed in every ending
Saren's Misunderstood
This scene proves there was just a tiny bit of good left in Saren, much like there was with Darth Vader when he killed the emperor in RotJ
In order to get the full scene where you get to make Saren commit suicide, you need to have your Charm or Intimidate Bar to 9 or more.
That's bull I have lv8 on both and it was maxed out wtf
KingOfScotland The charm and intimidate bar should increase in spots as you play the game.
KingOfScotland You need 75% renegade in order to unlock all 12 bars.
never fully focused on one side i just did what i personally though was best or funny but i got to use my charm and intimidation for nearly everything but this
Did no one really notice how fucked up Saren looks?
i think the low-res textures is what they meant
1:34 I really don't get why they didn't flashback to this when introducing the Synthesis ending. It makes perfect sense.
TIM- Control
Saren- Synthesis
Anderson - Destroy
Who represents ‘do nothing’?
@@jamesestrella5911 Nobody...?
It's actually quite shocking really, I mean at the time, seeing a character commit suicide on-screen.
Never understood why TIM's potential suicide in ME3 is slightly off-screen, though.
Saren was the best
I got the other ending where we fight because I didn’t have enough in Intimidate nor in Charm. My charm was like 1 or 2 away from Max but my intimate was only like half done.
Yeah you fight him three times in total in the game. With better charm only two times, I did it in my 4th playthrough because I was figuring out all the classes and stuff that I miss.
Saren was the only one to match and overpower Shepard in combat, besides the Shadow Broker... I wanted Saren to show up on the citadel in Mass Effect 3 , he shoots TIM, and tells Shepard to go. Saren than vanishes further indicating the indoctrination theory.
I don't understand how people are still talking about that.
Bioware proved it wrong with the extended cut dlc
chino3089
They are called theories for a reason... Like science it can be proven wrong so keep in mind that Mass Effect 4 can clear up this story further.
Kawaii Atlas There _isn't_ a Mass Effect 4.
*****
Or is there?
Kawaii Atlas It's called Mass Effect: Andromeda, and it's in an entirely different galaxy.
also, sovereign openly says "you exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it"
look my fav mass effect character, floating pistol
The music still gives me chills that's we are here after 12 years
Sends a chill up my spine everytime I watch this. I can't play this game without having Saren commit suicide. its makes him more of teh tragic hero that he is meant to be.
reapers don't have emotions, there machines. "you exist because we allow it" relates EXACTLY to the explanation in the last game.
Yeah the combat, the squad mates and the little touches to the me universe like the blast six trailer, the banter between squad mates and all those things still make the game worthwhile. Hopefully, the extended cut will provide closure and resolution to the series when it's released.
Saren's life was over. Even if he did live he realized his career was effectively over, he'd be hunted down and executed, and Sovereigns implants would overrule anything he did. Better to play the redemption card then go down as a villain.
I always loved how Saren's left arm is replaced with a Geth arm
The first playthrough I ended up fighting him. The second time I got this and I was honestly so shocked. It really adds a lot to the character.
RIP Saren Arterius you made have done something very terrible but at least you redeemed yourself in the end
Brings a tear to my eye, every time.
lol you think most of the people who worked on Mass Effect 3 know ANYTHING about Mass Effect 1? The teams were pretty much entirely different and it it shows.
Heh, Saren was right the whole time about final evolution of all organic life being a fusion of organic and synthetic, assuming you pick the middle option at the end of ME3.
and this is one of many reasons mass effect 1 is still the best of the series.After the first one it went down hill.
Mass Effect 2 was good
It might just be me, but even Saren committing suicide didn't redeem him in my eyes; my thought was, 'May you *burn* in Hell forever, you *son of a bitch*.' Nothing, *absolutely NOTHING* about Saren was sympathetic to me; I *despised* him. He was more loathsome than Sovereign, in my opinion; at least Sovereign hates everyone equally, and isn't a howling bigot like Saren.
He did many bad things in entire mass effect 1 story. but finally he redeemed himself... That's why we can't blame him as villain...
I'm the hero the galaxy needs, not the one it deserves. Well, at least at the end. -I'm Saren Arterius.
Such an intense scene. I never looked at Saren the same after I saw this
Saren: EA needs fans like us, they realize our value, join me and together we can experience a true gaming rebirth
Sheppard: EA doesn't use fans, they just take their money and discard them, as soon as you pay for their product, you'll be cast aside.
Saren: I have no choice, You saw the endings, you saw what they did to Command and Conquer, Pay for their new DLC and Products, there are no other options....
I wish you had chosen the paragon option for the last one. Telling him that he can still redeem himself seems a lot more dramatic and just better sounding than telling him to kill himself, "if he's got the guts."
Saren becomes an hero the galaxy needs.
Almost sounds like Jeremy Irons. They should've just gotten Irons to voice Saren.
@RemBlu "...because hes not our hero, he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...
...the dark knight"
Why didn't Shepard just let Garrus recalibrate him?
I love this because I was able to tell my friends that I made the final boss of the game commit suicide
Still one of the most cinematic moments in gaming history.
I commend you for your actions, and for heeding Marauder Shield's warning about that god damn space child.
Saren is so cool. He and Benezia were such a badass and scary couple in this game.
Shepard can make Saren and TIM both off themselves. That's power.
@Antifaith29 Nope it's Fred Tatasciore. He's a well known voice actor, he's done a lot of work over the decades.
@0PyramidHead no, he's also the kind of reaper version, since sovreign took over his essence, and when you kill him, you kill sovreign
Sad story; the Turian who played Saren in the popular reenactment of the adventures of Shepard had recently finished ME3 himself; he committed suicide an hour latter.
music made this epic
I mean, it is faster to fight him regardless, at that point in the game, you are overpowered enough to do a single burst and boss fight is over, same with the second phase. Was surprised on my first playthrough how quickly he went down in the fight.
He redeemed himself.
I still can't believe the guy who voices Saren also does Baird from Gears of War... h~ how!?
That's why IMO Loghain is the best antagonist Bioware ever created. No evil monster/villain is indoctrinating him, he has understandable motives and human/real personality issues and that's why I think he's more complex than Saren and TIM. I don't know if you know them but I also like to see more antagonists like Jacques De Aldesberg and Letho from The Witcher 1 and 2.
@Mr13Xariel Nah it's actually possible to do it on one play through. Just have to do enough side quests to level up. Got the chat option on my first play through when I had it on the Xbox.
Well actually in ME2, Harbinger during the run back to the normandy at the end of the suicide mission says,"That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction". This hints that the reapers are saving organic life as stated in ME3.
Sooo i have a conclusion
Saren wants synthetics and organics to blend together resulting to the synthesis choice in ME3,then the illusive man wants to take control of the reapers wich result in the control choice in ME3,and then there goes everyone on the galaxy who wants to get the reapers destroyed wich result in the destroy choice in ME3,if you choose either synthesis and control,that means you are indoctrinated since you complete the goal of the one who was indoctrinated before,if you choose destroy,that means you're choosing to help everyone but the indoctrinated guys and those AIs,basically destroy is the best choice even tho geth and edi will be ded,also if control choice the shepard as an controller is the real Shepard,he might get corrupted when being on control of the reapers for too long,wich result in the kid AI thingy we see on the end of the ME3 ending
Its a messy text,i was using phone
You get an achievment on the Xbox if you convince him to do it. You also get it if you can convince Wrex to stick with you.
I hope that through some strange set of occurrences Saren returns in ME3
saren last act was of sacrufise
one of the best video game villains
anyone got that special feeling when the music came in when saren shot himself? like.. fuck ye and oh i feel bad at the same time? ME1's story and climax build was deff in the best in the entire series
Saren is a lot like Darth Vader: ultimately chose the dark path as a way of saving everyone, but was corrupted of it. And dies free of it.
My friend, I wish we could have met you under better circumstances...
Thank you Garrus!
It is funny how one of the endings in ME3 is exactly how Saren wanted
Apparently Saren actually did this to try and avoid surviving for the ME3 ending.
I just finished ME a second time and finally got this....I have to say besides being kind of funny it made me feel bad for Saren
Wow, Sarens tone of voice totally changes.
The god child kid makes you love saren and want him back
I dunno. I think that the Illusive Man was very symbolic in the way of corruption by the Reapers.
I wish Saren was the penultimate antagonist throughout the series.
The first time I saw that, I tought:"Oh, well. There goes the final boss."
Yes, exactly. Which is one of the many reasons why I believed (believe?) the indoctrination theory for the end of ME3. It's too weird how Saren believed it was the "final evolution", and TIM thought controlling the Reapers was the only solution, and yet those (and destroying the Repaers, what you've tried to do all along) are the 3 solutions for the end of ME3.
there is no entry wound. saren secretly fired a blank with fake blood and is coming back in ME3 leading the army of reapers...
One of the best moments in Mass Effects.
Damn shame. Saren is baws.
Let's all live in the innocently awesome world of ME1, where there was no bullshit synthesis ending or a fuck-up of an indoctrination theory....let's just enjoy this moment while we can.
The reason why it seemed like a Hero's Death was because it kind of was one. All Saren wanted to do was to not let the Reapers kill everyone, but he chose the dark path.
He was filled to the brim with Reaper implants.
Ain't no way he's recovering from that ;P
This best Mass Effect of the series imo.
I felt really proud talking Saren down. And it really redeemed the character in my eyes.
@schwinn1977
I'm sure Saren was also convinced by a little boy to go with synthesis. Seriously, I doubt it's a coincidence that TIM and Saren's ultimate goals with the reapers corrupted by subtle indoctrination are the ones the catalyst describes as preferable to destroy. If that's not the Harbinger trying to indoctrinate you, then I don't know what is.
@xDSqxRazoRx oh, right. I admit I thought that was iffy but I expected some kind of prothean super weapon to be the way to beat the reapers, after reading about the derelict reaper and some kind of ancient cannon while scanning planets I figured bioware would do something like that since there's no way to conventionally beat the reapers, I see your point tho. I guess another red flag for me was how anticlimactic assembling the fleets were, I thought I'd get to see all my war assets come
I felt great when I got this ending
Saren the embodiment of synthesis. :3
0:25 When I first saw this scene, I thought Saren was about to blow the end of the gun after holding it up!