Hello George.....Just wanted to thank you for posting this clip. I was assigned the Tate murder case as a Criminal Justice student back in my college days. Upon completion of my investigation, I learned more about Sharon and this extremely unfortunate event than I ever imagined. I truly appreciate your efforts to post tasteful and accurate pieces of information. Thanks for your efforts.
Todd Walton how you must have experienced! I can't even imagine what you thought or felt from the outset. I can appreciate your hard work and in fact learning about Ms.Tate in those unique circumstances. I applaud you Sir.
+R Daniel Thanks for your reply. It definitely was mind-blowing to learn of all details surrounding this crime. Just makes me sick to read misleading info. or watch vid clips of people who disrespect the victims.....Thanks again
Brian scholl the whole Bugliosi show was a lie and a farce, the reasons for the murders were a simple drug burn and was about money nothing more complicated than that but Bugliosi knew he had next to zero physical evidence and besides Atkins jailhouse confession to her cell mate the case was circumstantial so he relied on Kasabians bullshit testimony and Charlies antics to paint a picture of him and the girls to the jury as demon possesed psychos and it worked
Hey Brian...apologies for the incredibly long delay in replying. To answer your question the best I can, the biggest thing that is wrong is/are the conspiracy theories offering unfounded, non-evidence based explanations as to "why" something of this nature took place. Vincent Bugliosi was a "top shelf" prosecutor and to my recollection, had no reputation of fabricating cases/evidence against innocent people. His assertion that Manson and his followers perpetrated these crimes as a result of Manson's deep-rooted resentment of the entertainment industry, specifically music, and anyone associated with it... is the most plausible as it is based on evidence. Despite numerous attempts to gain acceptance by the music industry crowd, Manson's music was never taken seriously. This rejection was taken to heart and combined with other disruptions during his developmental years, Manson was completely blinded by rage and driven to seek revenge. Record producer Terry Melcher resided at 10050 Cielo just prior to Sharon and Roman. To Manson, the residence represented everything that was wrong with the world and he would then unleash his master plan of "Helter Skelter" in an attempt to set society on a new path. Manson is the product of a dysfunctional and severely damaged childhood and Sharon and her friends, unfortunatyely for them, just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Again, apologies for the delayed response.
What an absolute tragedy that those deranged morons had to walk this same path that night back in August 1969. Sharon and her friends were just chilling out in the house at the end of a normal Friday night only to meet the most awful, terrifying and surreal of deaths. RIP to the victims of this insane crime.
I didn't realize it was so damn far up there. Wow. It takes a certain kind of a demonic presence to cause that much pain and suffering to a human being, And yeah believe it or not on drugs or whatever...These people were definite possessed by them. Nobody in there right mind would have did such a terrible thing. Especially to a pregnant lady of all things. Horrible.
They drove to the gate to the Proerty 10050 ciello drive cut the wires to the phone lines & walked up her drive past the gate. Shame it wasn't alarmed or the dogs hadn't barked or the gunshots wernt heard??? so many what ifs . Also the pole is not the original one tex climbed, as I'd asked another podcast channel. He even said the pole was on the opposite side but I'm sure it was on the side it is now?
@@rollydoucet8909 NO ONE MADE THEM SLAUGHTER THESE PEOPLE IN THE MIST BRUTAL WAY AS ATKINS TEX WATSON &THE OTHER TWO . DID. HOW CAN ANYONE DO THE THINGD THEY DID, INFLUANCED OR NOT, THRY COULD HAVE GOT MONEY & LEFT TOWN ANYTHING.
You should have added Paul Polanski, Sharon's baby, in the memory credits. Everyone forgets about the little boy lost. He was a viable, living being, too, before those subhuman demonic freaks took his life in his mothers womb.
Thank you George for that awesome video. My heart actually started speeding up while going up that road. It's a very eerie feeling. I wasn't aware of how really narrow that road was.
Isn’t it the ugliest mansion you’ve ever seen. On such a gorgeous street and an incrredible view. What a waste of beauty. At least build something nice looking.
What a shame that they put up that monstrosity. I remember driving on Benedict and looking up and you could just barely catch a glimpse of the original house. It sent chills up my spine. Now, it's just sad.
George does a fantastic job. The new home looks like a garish hotel. What a narrow street and talk about scary secluded. I thought the entrance of Cielo looked like a crumbling driveway. Horrific parking and that scream at 7:46. I immediately thought of this video when I saw Once Upon A Time ... In Hollywood. Thank you to George! Thank you for including sweet Steve Parent. God love that young man and all the tragic victims of Manson’s murderous madness.
I think that this was a huge "awakening", the end of the "flower child", Summer of Love era. The impact during such a time of peace & social controversy, with equal rights & Vietnam going on, & in such an affluent area, was something that shook everyone, regardless of class & financial status at the time.
This is a prime example of humans at their WORST. Murdering a pregnant woman along with her friends who tried to protect her!! Read that Sharon Tate was buried in the same casket as her child. Never knew her but was thankful for this. Still feel tremendous sadness for her and her friends and the La Biancas xxxx
thanks for posting, for some years back I worked on that street, I planted all the pine trees on the right side after the wall, worked on the white house on the left and the house with the brick driveway.
one thing thats always puzzled me about this case is how 4 people hike up and down what appears to be a good 1/4 to 1/3 of a mile hill before and after killing 5 people and yet arent seen by anyone
wow thank you for doing this. there's something about actually seeing it. I really get the feeling of how relatively remote the house was. nowhere to really run to and no one to call for help.
Thank you for doing this. I always wanted to go pay my respects there, but I didn't want to intrude on anyone's privacy. Thank you again for taking the time for us😊
Loved your video George thank you! Didn't realize how narrow the street actually is until your video. Didn't realize that the killers parked their car so far away from the property and walked all that way up the hill. I was under the impression that they parked near the gate from what I read on the case, That's obviously quite a distance from the gate. Love your videos George! Keep em' coming!
I am going to do another video showing the major points of Cielo Drive. This video was done to show what Cielo looks like from beginning to end with major points as well. As I said, I'm going to do another one and I will stop at different spots of significance to not only Sharon Tate, but of Cielo Drive as well.
Thank you for clarifying. I was waiting to hear him say whether or not the house was still there. He did say that the only original thing on the property was the telephone pole, so I assumed that meant the house was gone.
It's Beverly Hills. I know because I live near Cielo Drive. Also, if there is ever a problem on that street, it is the Beverly Hills Police that responds. George
Those homes just outside the gate are so close to the street...can't imagine how creepy it mustve been for those neighbors to know how close they were to those killers. Last time I visited LA i drove my rental car up that street and it was around midnite...it was tough finding that last sharp turn up to the gate and i knew it was very narrow so i didnt go all the way fearing those neighbors would get upset. How was that mega-mansion built if those trucks had to use that culdesac??
God I can't imagine living around that place let alone live in that house after all those people were killed there.We were visiting relative is LA back in the 80's and my mom's sister live there at the time all this happen. They took us for a drive one day and we were told to look upon that hill, that's the place where the Sharon Tate murders too place. I had no idea who Sharon Tate was so after they told us what happen we rented movies like Valley of the dolls so we could see who she was. My aunt said it was a real scary time back then people were sleeping with the lights on and a light at the front door and the back. windows and doors locked everybody had dogs and firearms
Same thing happened with psychopathic Richard Ramirez, The Night Stalker, in the summer of (?) 1985. LA and summer make for uneasy bedfellows. Like The Manson Family, he murdered many of his innocent victims via home invasion at night.
I said that out of jest. The new house has zero charm and looks so out of place in that neighborhood. Just too over built. The original house was so much nicer. Much more charm and cozy. It never looks right when you build a modern structure in an old neighborhood.
@@mikebooth5942 I agree. So overrated and in a horrible creepy location imo. The thought of being there alone at night on those quiet dark grounds with that hill behind the house gives me chills. People go on about its beauty and show photos of the original owner there. She found the place creepy and hated it at night!
I salute George for his dedication producing this video. It's the most realistic view of Cielo Drive that most Sharon Tate fans will ever see. Happy New Year Everyone!!
10050 Cielo Drive was the last known address that Charlie had for Terry Melcher. Terry was well known in the Hollywood recording scene and had been introduced to Manson by Beach Boy Dennis Wilson. Dennis told Terry that Manson was "weird," but also to check him out, just in case he might happen to be a great songwriter. Manson & Terry Melcher had many discussions but Melcher didn't promise Manson anything! Manson cut the demo for one of the record companies (I don't recall if it was for Capitol, A&M, or one of the other major labels) and was rejected, outright. Apparently, the song was terrible. This led back into Manson's threats on Melcher's life. When Charlie gave the "hit" order to Tex on that terrible night, he told him and the girls to "kill everybody inside!" Melcher had lived there on Ciello Drive for months with a roommate, Mark Lindsay (from Paul Revere & the Raiders). They owned two ocelots! Ocelots are beautiful wild cats from South America. They look like dwarf leopards! Anyway, Lindsay's and Melcher's ocelots were de-clawed (a terrible thing to do to a wild cat) and when they could finally scale the trees on the property, they would always fall off. That led Melcher to exclaim to Lindsay "We have to move to a safer place for the sake of these animals." (Never mind the fact that these people de-claw their cat's paws)! Melcher and Lindsay left. "The next renters to 10050 Cielo Drive were Director Roman Polanski and his beautiful, young and recently pregnant wife, Sharon Tate."
Poor Sharon: all she wanted was a future with her baby boy--and the killers had to snatch even that. God bless her mother Doris and her sister Patti and help them comfort Sharon and her baby in heaven for the life they could have had. Charles Manson and Susan Atkins died in prison. It is good that Tex Watson and Leslie Van Houten have improved their lives and it is understood that they desire parole: but there is no parole for their victims and there would be no parole for the victims' families. Both of these people willfully committed murder knowing that murder is irreversible. They should have been executed; but life in prison in this case should mean life in prison. Nobody made you commit the crime; now pay your debt to society.
You did a great job George. I never knew Cielo Drive was that long. Or for that matter that narrow and that rustic. Still Old Fashioned looking, except for the fact that the new owner tore down the old house and built that Cement monstrosity. Even the story about the original telephone pole was interesting! I don't live in California, but that state sure holds some mysteries.
I heard the scream too,and I'm 100% positive that someone had their curtains opened and saw you walking by with your camera,and was shaken.That happened to me over at Barbara Eden's(I Dream of Jeannie star) home during a tour of lower Belair.She came out and to see who I was,and I apologized several times for scaring her.The residents are with good reason still scared today because of the murders,and that's perfectly understandable.
Just took my own drive and made a video too, I think it took something as massive as Villa Bella to fill in the dark void that was there. But it is still creepy driving up that road even today knowing this is where the crime of the century happened. LA is full of history.
My brother and I went to 10050 Cielo Drive on a visit to Los Angeles in 1980. At that time, we drove up to the original gate and it looked basically as it did in 1969. I remember being worried that someone was going to come out and tell us to leave, but fortunately no one did. I had just finished reading the book Helter Skelter and had made mental notes from the book and I was able to identify the area where the killers parked down the hill and I saw what I believe was the telephone pole near the gate where Tex Watson cut the phone wires before entering the property. You could easily see inside the wide gates…. such as the garage building with some stairs going up the side, the stone wishing well in the front yard and a partial view of that end of the main house. I was amazed how it still basically looked like the photos that had been published after the crime. I would have loved to have gotten inside the gates, but I'm sure we would have been arrested and justifiably so. LOL.
rawblues Wow, that is amazing that you got to see that house in person. I always wanted to visit there since I first learned of all of this in 1976...back when Helter Skelter first came on TV. Great post you wrote...you should have taken some photos....just saying....Thanks!
i too read the book. i was in the 7th grade when i read it. i was still at the age where things really scared me. i also followed the gacy murders. read a few books about the case. the books helped me locate where the house once stood. but, like the tate house gacy's house was torn down also. but, i had seen old footage on tv. the rest of the homes on the street remain the same. but, like the new house stood at the tate residence. the new house there where gacys once stood looks out of place
@@mikedescoteaux2840 The Gacy replacement house also received a new street number. I've driven that street. Just the name "Gacy" makes it creepy to go there.
yes, watching this video and knowing what happened in that area in 1969, even after all these years later still feels at least a little creepy. unless he moved out, the current resident is a hollywood tv producer named jeff franklin. a couple of his shows were “full house” and “family matters”.
Thank you George :) This is a great look at how Cielo drive looks now; back in 1981 my friend Kathy & I took a drive up Benedict Cyn to see celebrity homes and we parked outside Valentino's home Falcon Lair to peek thru the gate & we could view Sharon's house across the way. It was nice to see it before the entire property was changed along with the address.
Linda was at the house when the killings began. She was up close to the action. She ran away from all that and then ran to the car. The killers did park their car where I said at the bottom of that part of Cielo.
George Vreeland Hill Much longer walk to the property from that point than I thought. So if she ran back to the car she was very far away from the action by then.
@@richardbosworth6635 My understanding was that the car she ran back to wasn't their car at the bottom of the Cielo Drive (3/10's of a mile away) but was to Steven Parent's car in the long driveway near the gate.
It is Beverly Hills. My friend lives 200 feet from Sharon's house. He has been on tons of Haunted History and Paranormal shows. I have pics and have had experiences at the house. I have parked on that street, which is scary since it is so narrow....hard to turn around.
Just sold to that other fake paranormal dude. They ruined that house as original fit the beauty of thenatural surroundings. Sad its all ruined & only sold for 1.5 M. Probably used for old seances now!! RIP Sharon & friends!!
My husband and I had our very first date at the gate - because when he asked me where in all of LA I wanted to go, this was my choice, lol. It was many years later, of course, but still while the original house & grounds were still standing and the same
Great views George, was there before and after the old red house was torn down, much has changed in the past twenty years that is for sure! Thanks for your efforts!
when i was in cali back in 07. i went the tate residence. but, i knew it was no longer there. i wasnt on cielo but across the canyon. i did get to see the house that stands there now. kinda a big i sore. it doesnt really fit in with it's surroundings. i also went to the labianca house and i could see it while on the street it's on. i'm surprised how little it had changed from pictures i've seen back in 69 from old news footage
Awesome video! I'm a huge history buff when it comes to the Manson killings. I had a question for you though. You said the killers parked there car all the way at the bottom of the road leading to the Tate house. Linda Kasabian was at the car and heard the screams. That seems like a long way for her to hear the commotion going on. Are you sure that is where they parked the car? Anyways. Very good video.
When a friend drove me around the LA canyons, many of the roads were so high and narrow with such terrifying drop-offs, there was a lot of horn blowing and reverse of course.
Thank you for taking us along with you on this h Journey. It gives me the chills to see you literally walking in the footsteps of the killers.we are seeing what they saw. What were they thinking as they walked towards the house.. it begs the question what were they thinking. Is it possible any of them have a tiny bit of clarity did they have a moment where they thought to rj Themselves or outlout "this is wrong" ? Probably not it's so 💔 RIP Sharon , Paul Richard, Jay, Gibby, Voyteck ,and Steven ,,💔
Thanks a lot for making this video George! I followed you up as far as i could on Google Street View and then hovered above. Very interesting. Would have been nice to have seen more of David Oman's house but i still really enjoyed it. Thanks for making the trek up there for us all to see. :)
We lived at 10160 Cielo back then and I was out late that night and saw their car when I got home; I thought it was just kids parking and thought nothing of it. The next day we were awakened to helicopters and dozens of police cars ambulances and other emergency vehicles. It was just unreal.
A walking tour of Cielo Drive in Beverly Hills, California. This is where Sharon Tate and four others were murdered in 1969 by followers of Charles Manson.
Hi George. When you got close to the gate, I saw many vehicles parked on the road. Are there many more people living there now? Just curious cuz when the murders happened I remember reading/hearing how isolated that house was which is why no one heard the gunshots & screams. Thanks for your time. Carol
+Miss Malibu California Hi Miss Malibu. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this. It just never occurred to me what it must be like for those who still live on that street. I thought/assumed that after 45 years; it would no longer be such a morbid/tourist attraction. Again, I'm sorry for invading your privacy.
+Chica Latina Because Manson believe whites belong to a cult.And that why had Tex Watson organized the crime Roman wasn't in L.A at the time he was still in London at the time filming his french film and didn't arrive to the states til after the murders occurred.
Hi George, I just wanted to say hi, I’m a huge fan of Sharon’s and like you, prefer to focus on how she lived, not how she died. I’ve been enjoying your videos for some time now and wanted to say thanks for uploading them so fans of Sharon like myself, can get a feel for where she lived etc. Blessings to you!
Was up there over the weekend and it is a tight squeeze for one car getting up there. It was middle of the day and there was a woman getting stuff out of her car and it didn't really feel right parking out big suv in front of her house while we were taking pics near the gate. We had to do about a four point turnaround in her driveway to get out of there. Would've been cool to have hung around a little longer but, eh....not much to see. Can now say I've been there. We went to El Coyote right after for some damn strong margaritas
I did the exact same walk in 1979. Cielo looks much the same. However, the today driveway is "dramatically" different! It appears much longer, none of those structures on the left side existed in `69. In 1979, everything still looked like 1969. The tall chain fence still existed. It was open, and I did walk up to the point where Parent was killed in his car. That`s where I stopped. The red house was easily within sight to the right. I encountered zero people on Cielo and on the property, which I was clearly trespassing on. Zero!!
George. love your videos thay are ALWAYS interesting. Have to admit you are brave as there is NO WAY would I walk up that path on a quiet bank holiday on the first day of the new year with a camera - don't know who might get angry wanting to know why you are there! This video gives a good perspective of the house as most videos give a one dimemsional view of the location, Many thanks,
I suppose the people living in the houses nearby prefer that tourists interested in having a looksie walk up instead of driving their cars up the narrow road
Am currently reading Ed Sanders "Sharon Tate a life" and on page 168 her friend Joanna Pettet said that Sharon told her she had wanted to have her baby in London. It was Roman who made her come back to the United States. Pettet says she hopes that Roman felt guilty about this. Just IMAGINE if poor Sharon had still been in England. How cruel fate can be.
When he was almost to the gate, I heard a woman scream. How can anyone live there? Too much pain and suffering went on there. I believe Sharon Tate was one of the most beautiful women that ever lived.
Wonderful video, thank you so much for sharing! Have you ever gone to the La Bianca scene? I got pix from the road a couple of yrs ago, it appears to be the same as it was in 1969. I also just noticed the "Twin House" on Cielo for sale, pix of it are nothing like the original so I wonder when it was torn down & re-done as well.
Because people will call the police because of all the people going up there. PLUS some people have manners and are old school. They just don't do whatever they want wherever they want to whoever they want as seems most people do these days. He was being COURTEOUS.
@@haveahappyday1749 I read once that you don't walk in the rich neighborhoods, and if you are seen walking someone WILL call the cops..especially Beverly Hills. You just don't walk in BH unless you are shopping in town obviously.
They tore it down as he was having issues renting it. Trent Resnor of NIN was the last renter. He found out what had happened there and moved. The house on there now covers the whole estate. I visited the home next door.
lin christopher Sorry dude, you're wrong. Trent Reznor moved in the house specifically because he KNEW what happened there. He recorded the Downward Spiral IN THE HOUSE! He knew what happened there. It was the most famous house in L.A. And the owner didn't demolish it because he couldn't rent it, they demolished and built that giant stupid house because property values were going so high up at the time.
He found out after! He moved out within a week! I'm not a dude! I'm a 60 year old woman who has been there. It's only famous if you are from this area or heard about it when you were alive. Trent was too young to know about all that. I'm a local. I've also researched it thoroughly as I was 15 when it all happened. It was scary as we didn't know who did it.
It's actually haunting to see you walk up the driveway. It seems so secluded how did the bastards choose that house? Was it random or did they specifically target that house?
Manson specifically sent them to that house with orders to kill everyone inside. This used to be the home of a record producer who refused to publish Manson's song. Sharon Tate and her friends were just innocent victims who had nothing to do with that producer but were just in the wrong house at the wrong time.
"sorry if it seems a little shakey" hehe it's not shaky at all! Awesome video!!! You have a powerful tool there, what camera/video editor did you use to reduce the motion? Thanks a lot for posting this!
Side note. When at the top of Bella Drive looking across the canyon to the murder site, he is standing directly in front of the former property of silent screen star Rudolph Valentino-Falcon Lair l(later owned by the now deceased tobacco heiress Doris Duke-also alleged her butler had a hand in her death). The name of the estate Falcon Lair is actually visible on the entry gate columns if you look very carefully.
Thank you George. How many minutes at a normal pace does it take to walk from Benedict Canyon Drive up Cielo Drive to the gate? The black maid, Winifred Chapman had to do that on a regular basis. Also the telephone pole at the time of the murders was on the opposite side of the drive outside the gate. I understand the current gate is is further down hill than the original. When you approached the original gate on the left was the telephone pole. Next the gate button and then the red mailbox.
So many other tragedies have occurred since but there is something about this one that time has not forgot i wasnt born until 1971 but have followed this story since my youth. Its very sad. I felt no sympathy when i heard of manson and susan atkins deaths in prison. Pure evil. They should have all been executed.
Hello George.....Just wanted to thank you for posting this clip. I was assigned the Tate murder case as a Criminal Justice student back in my college days. Upon completion of my investigation, I learned more about Sharon and this extremely unfortunate event than I ever imagined. I truly appreciate your efforts to post tasteful and accurate pieces of information. Thanks for your efforts.
You are most welcome.
I'll bet you are tops in your field today.
Todd Walton how you must have experienced! I can't even imagine what you thought or felt from the outset. I can appreciate your hard work and in fact learning about Ms.Tate in those unique circumstances.
I applaud you Sir.
+R Daniel Thanks for your reply. It definitely was mind-blowing to learn of all details surrounding this crime. Just makes me sick to read misleading info. or watch vid clips of people who disrespect the victims.....Thanks again
Brian scholl the whole Bugliosi show was a lie and a farce, the reasons for the murders were a simple drug burn and was about money nothing more complicated than that but Bugliosi knew he had next to zero physical evidence and besides Atkins jailhouse confession to her cell mate the case was circumstantial so he relied on Kasabians bullshit testimony and Charlies antics to paint a picture of him and the girls to the jury as demon possesed psychos and it worked
Hey Brian...apologies for the incredibly long delay in replying. To answer your question the best I can, the biggest thing that is wrong is/are the conspiracy theories offering unfounded, non-evidence based explanations as to "why" something of this nature took place. Vincent Bugliosi was a "top shelf" prosecutor and to my recollection, had no reputation of fabricating cases/evidence against innocent people. His assertion that Manson and his followers perpetrated these crimes as a result of Manson's deep-rooted resentment of the entertainment industry, specifically music, and anyone associated with it... is the most plausible as it is based on evidence. Despite numerous attempts to gain acceptance by the music industry crowd, Manson's music was never taken seriously. This rejection was taken to heart and combined with other disruptions during his developmental years, Manson was completely blinded by rage and driven to seek revenge. Record producer Terry Melcher resided at 10050 Cielo just prior to Sharon and Roman. To Manson, the residence represented everything that was wrong with the world and he would then unleash his master plan of "Helter Skelter" in an attempt to set society on a new path. Manson is the product of a dysfunctional and severely damaged childhood and Sharon and her friends, unfortunatyely for them, just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Again, apologies for the delayed response.
Poor Sharon being the last one to die. How terrifying! I can’t even begin to imagine the horror she must’ve gone through
Man's inhumanity to man.
Who came to see this after watching Once upon a time in Hollywood?
Me I’m a little bummed out that the neighbors house wasn’t there in real life lol
@@stevelewis8961 You mean the house where Rick Dalton (Leonardo DeCaprio) lived?
Chuck Nasty yeah that house doesn’t exist next door to this house in real life
@@stevelewis8961 nope, but everything else in the movie was made up so that shouldn't be a surprise.
Its official old buddy, I'm a has been.
What an absolute tragedy that those deranged morons had to walk this same path that night back in August 1969. Sharon and her friends were just chilling out in the house at the end of a normal Friday night only to meet the most awful, terrifying and surreal of deaths. RIP to the victims of this insane crime.
Diddy1970AD they didn't walk up that path that he just walked. They walked up her driveway.
I didn't realize it was so damn far up there. Wow. It takes a certain kind of a demonic presence to cause that much pain and suffering to a human being, And yeah believe it or not on drugs or whatever...These people were definite possessed by them. Nobody in there right mind would have did such a terrible thing. Especially to a pregnant lady of all things. Horrible.
@Alena Johnson Manson was, in fact, the architect, the monster behind this horrible incident.
They drove to the gate to the
Proerty 10050 ciello drive cut the wires to the phone lines & walked up her drive past the gate. Shame it wasn't alarmed or the dogs hadn't barked or the gunshots wernt heard??? so many what ifs .
Also the pole is not the original one tex climbed, as I'd asked another podcast channel. He even said the pole was on the opposite side but I'm sure it was on the side it is now?
@@rollydoucet8909 NO ONE MADE THEM SLAUGHTER THESE PEOPLE IN THE MIST BRUTAL WAY AS ATKINS TEX WATSON &THE OTHER TWO . DID. HOW CAN ANYONE DO THE THINGD THEY DID, INFLUANCED OR NOT, THRY COULD HAVE GOT MONEY & LEFT TOWN ANYTHING.
You should have added Paul Polanski, Sharon's baby, in the memory credits. Everyone forgets about the little boy lost. He was a viable, living being, too, before those subhuman demonic freaks took his life in his mothers womb.
Thank you George for that awesome video. My heart actually started speeding up while going up that road. It's a very eerie feeling. I wasn't aware of how really narrow that road was.
Pp
that house is so vulgar.....preferred the tate house.....
Isn’t it the ugliest mansion you’ve ever seen. On such a gorgeous street and an incrredible view. What a waste of beauty. At least build something nice looking.
@@getlauriekor Some people have more money than taste.
It’s to big it doesn’t look right
The original house was ugly asf!
What a shame that they put up that monstrosity. I remember driving on Benedict and looking up and you could just barely catch a glimpse of the original house. It sent chills up my spine. Now, it's just sad.
James Kennedy Original house was torn down in 1994.
The new construction is appalling. So much money, so little taste (and by “little,” I mean “none”).
Yes , on 60s you could see that house from Benedict
The original house was ugly asf!
Tell me about it. Can the parcel of land hold the weight of that monstrosity?
George does a fantastic job. The new home looks like a garish hotel. What a narrow street and talk about scary secluded. I thought the entrance of Cielo looked like a crumbling driveway. Horrific parking and that scream at 7:46. I immediately thought of this video when I saw Once Upon A Time ... In Hollywood. Thank you to George! Thank you for including sweet Steve Parent. God love that young man and all the tragic victims of Manson’s murderous madness.
Yeah that new house is so ugly.
Rest in peace beautiful Sharon ♥
She was just another actress, nothing more
I think that this was a huge "awakening", the end of the "flower child", Summer of Love era. The impact during such a time of peace & social controversy, with equal rights & Vietnam going on, & in such an affluent area, was something that shook everyone, regardless of class & financial status at the time.
The dream of the ‘60s died that weekend.
@@nomiddlenamenmn427 Totally.
@@nomiddlenamenmn427 The dream of the 60's had many deaths: the Kennedy and King assassinations, the race riots, Vietnam war, etc.
This is a prime example of humans at their WORST. Murdering a pregnant woman along with her friends who tried to protect her!! Read that Sharon Tate was buried in the same casket as her child. Never knew her but was thankful for this. Still feel tremendous sadness for her and her friends and the La Biancas xxxx
thanks for posting, for some years back I worked on that street, I planted all the pine trees on the right side after the wall, worked on the white house on the left and the house with the brick driveway.
There is a huge house on the right side as u go up drive...anyone onow who lives there? Its huge as hell with a tenis court
Very beautiful work, Joe. Appreciate you.
one thing thats always puzzled me about this case is how 4 people hike up and down what appears to be a good 1/4 to 1/3 of a mile hill before and after killing 5 people and yet arent seen by anyone
...and several shots fired at the house and no one heard that, no one called police???
Next month will be 50 years , gone but not forgotten ! May she rest in peace and forever be with God.
wow thank you for doing this. there's something about actually seeing it. I really get the feeling of how relatively remote the house was. nowhere to really run to and no one to call for help.
Thank you for doing this. I always wanted to go pay my respects there, but I didn't want to intrude on anyone's privacy. Thank you again for taking the time for us😊
Loved your video George thank you! Didn't realize how narrow the street actually is until your video. Didn't realize that the killers parked their car so far away from the property and walked all that way up the hill. I was under the impression that they parked near the gate from what I read on the case, That's obviously quite a distance from the gate. Love your videos George! Keep em' coming!
I am going to do another video showing the major points of Cielo Drive.
This video was done to show what Cielo looks like from beginning to end with major points as well.
As I said, I'm going to do another one and I will stop at different spots of significance to not only Sharon Tate, but of Cielo Drive as well.
Its still so creepy-just seeing the walk up Cielo.
Thanks for sharing this George! That was one heck of a walk. It looks like such a lovely area and such a horrific thing to happen.
That something so evil could happen in a place so beautiful is mind boggling
That is not the actual house, the actual house was torn down in 1994 & a new house was constructed .........Same property , different house !
That's what I was wondering! It doesn't look anything like the original house she lived in.
Omg that’s what this guy was saying !
Thank you for clarifying. I was waiting to hear him say whether or not the house was still there.
He did say that the only original thing on the property was the telephone pole, so I assumed that meant the house was gone.
então essa casa não e a original, ela foi demolida em 94
tcshy1903 Apparently that’s a different pole. The original was on the opposite side of the gate.
Great walk!..The best walk ( steady cam) of that private road I have seen!..Thx for doing it and thx so much for uploading it!
I appreciate the video taken in this perspective!!!
It's Beverly Hills.
I know because I live near Cielo Drive.
Also, if there is ever a problem on that street, it is the Beverly Hills Police that responds.
George
Those homes just outside the gate are so close to the street...can't imagine how creepy it mustve been for those neighbors to know how close they were to those killers. Last time I visited LA i drove my rental car up that street and it was around midnite...it was tough finding that last sharp turn up to the gate and i knew it was very narrow so i didnt go all the way fearing those neighbors would get upset. How was that mega-mansion built if those trucks had to use that culdesac??
That street is in bad shape to be in Beverly Hills
many streets are crappy there. Cielo drive isnt in Beverly Hills though
Mike McMillen "many streets are crappy there" Lol. Right! 😀
they like the secluded rustic look in their canyon-home environment
@@mikemcmillen9581 a lot of places purposely keep roads crappy to keep kids from racing around or driving too fast.
Way too narrow
God I can't imagine living around that place let alone live in that house after all those people were killed there.We were visiting relative is LA back in the 80's and my mom's sister live there at the time all this happen. They took us for a drive one day and we were told to look upon that hill, that's the place where the Sharon Tate murders too place. I had no idea who Sharon Tate was so after they told us what happen we rented movies like Valley of the dolls so we could see who she was. My aunt said it was a real scary time back then people were sleeping with the lights on and a light at the front door and the back. windows and doors locked everybody had dogs and firearms
Yeah I don't blame them ,I would too
Same thing happened with psychopathic Richard Ramirez, The Night Stalker, in the summer of (?) 1985. LA and summer make for uneasy bedfellows. Like The Manson Family, he murdered many of his innocent victims via home invasion at night.
I said that out of jest. The new house has zero charm and looks so out of place in that neighborhood. Just too over built. The original house was so much nicer. Much more charm and cozy. It never looks right when you build a modern structure in an old neighborhood.
The original house was ugly asf!
@@mikebooth5942 I agree. So overrated and in a horrible creepy location imo. The thought of being there alone at night on those quiet dark grounds with that hill behind the house gives me chills. People go on about its beauty and show photos of the original owner there. She found the place creepy and hated it at night!
I salute George for his dedication producing this video. It's the most realistic view of Cielo Drive that most Sharon Tate fans will ever see.
Happy New Year Everyone!!
I hope you have found peace Sharon and your murderers are dying in prison one by one..
10050 Cielo Drive was the last known address that Charlie had for Terry Melcher. Terry was well known in the Hollywood recording scene and had been introduced to Manson by Beach Boy Dennis Wilson. Dennis told Terry that Manson was "weird," but also to check him out, just in case he might happen to be a great songwriter. Manson & Terry Melcher had many discussions but Melcher didn't promise Manson anything! Manson cut the demo for one of the record companies (I don't recall if it was for Capitol, A&M, or one of the other major labels) and was rejected, outright. Apparently, the song was terrible. This led back into Manson's threats on Melcher's life. When Charlie gave the "hit" order to Tex on that terrible night, he told him and the girls to "kill everybody inside!"
Melcher had lived there on Ciello Drive for months with a roommate, Mark Lindsay (from Paul Revere & the Raiders). They owned two ocelots! Ocelots are beautiful wild cats from South America. They look like dwarf leopards! Anyway, Lindsay's and Melcher's ocelots were de-clawed (a terrible thing to do to a wild cat) and when they could finally scale the trees on the property, they would always fall off. That led Melcher to exclaim to Lindsay "We have to move to a safer place for the sake of these animals." (Never mind the fact that these people de-claw their cat's paws)!
Melcher and Lindsay left.
"The next renters to 10050 Cielo Drive were Director Roman Polanski and his beautiful, young and recently pregnant wife, Sharon Tate."
Sunburst Pixel, Manson knew that Melcher didn’t live there anymore.
Yes and Terry was the son of the late great Doris Day
Another feather in the cap of Dennis Wilson's distinguished life. Good choices, guy!
Terry Melcher lived there w/his then gf Candace Bergen ..
Poor Sharon: all she wanted was a future with her baby boy--and the killers had to snatch even that. God bless her mother Doris and her sister Patti and help them comfort Sharon and her baby in heaven for the life they could have had. Charles Manson and Susan Atkins died in prison. It is good that Tex Watson and Leslie Van Houten have improved their lives and it is understood that they desire parole: but there is no parole for their victims and there would be no parole for the victims' families. Both of these people willfully committed murder knowing that murder is irreversible. They should have been executed; but life in prison in this case should mean life in prison. Nobody made you commit the crime; now pay your debt to society.
It is the original pole.
It may have been moved, but it is the original.
You did a great job George. I never knew Cielo Drive was that long. Or for that matter that narrow and that rustic. Still Old Fashioned looking, except for the fact that the new owner tore down the old house and built that Cement monstrosity. Even the story about the original telephone pole was interesting! I don't live in California, but that state sure holds some mysteries.
I heard the scream too,and I'm 100% positive that someone had their curtains opened and saw you walking by with your camera,and was shaken.That happened to me over at Barbara Eden's(I Dream of Jeannie star) home during a tour of lower Belair.She came out and to see who I was,and I apologized several times for scaring her.The residents are with good reason still scared today because of the murders,and that's perfectly understandable.
Yes, every time I see someone walk down the street in front of my house I give a blood curdling scream!
It seems so peaceful and quiet there. Its hard to believe something so violent and gruesome occurred there.
It's free of Hollywood trash now !
Just took my own drive and made a video too, I think it took something as massive as Villa Bella to fill in the dark void that was there. But it is still creepy driving up that road even today knowing this is where the crime of the century happened. LA is full of history.
My brother and I went to 10050 Cielo Drive on a visit to Los Angeles in 1980. At that time, we drove up to the original gate and it looked basically as it did in 1969. I remember being worried that someone was going to come out and tell us to leave, but fortunately no one did. I had just finished reading the book Helter Skelter and had made mental notes from the book and I was able to identify the area where the killers parked down the hill and I saw what I believe was the telephone pole near the gate where Tex Watson cut the phone wires before entering the property. You could easily see inside the wide gates…. such as the garage building with some stairs going up the side, the stone wishing well in the front yard and a partial view of that end of the main house. I was amazed how it still basically looked like the photos that had been published after the crime. I would have loved to have gotten inside the gates, but I'm sure we would have been arrested and justifiably so. LOL.
rawblues Wow, that is amazing that you got to see that house in person. I always wanted to visit there since I first learned of all of this in 1976...back when Helter Skelter first came on TV. Great post you wrote...you should have taken some photos....just saying....Thanks!
i too read the book. i was in the 7th grade when i read it. i was still at the age where things really scared me. i also followed the gacy murders. read a few books about the case. the books helped me locate where the house once stood. but, like the tate house gacy's house was torn down also. but, i had seen old footage on tv. the rest of the homes on the street remain the same. but, like the new house stood at the tate residence. the new house there where gacys once stood looks out of place
Missmalibucalifornia:. yeah Trent Reznor recorded the video to the song "closer" by nine inch nails inside that house if i recall
@@ledzep75254 Nice ID name. Not.
@@mikedescoteaux2840 The Gacy replacement house also received a new street number. I've driven that street. Just the name "Gacy" makes it creepy to go there.
who would ever live in that house after that
Phillip Brewster it's not the same house the original house got torn down
Yes even the grounds it set on, that drive up to it just everything about it is so sad and errie even after all these years
I think anyone who lives there now is maybe trying to feel close to Sharon or for other reasons but its morbid just the same
Phillip Brewster A white person. 😂
yes, watching this video and knowing what happened in that area in 1969, even after all these years later still feels at least a little creepy. unless he moved out, the current resident is a hollywood tv producer named jeff franklin. a couple of his shows were “full house” and “family matters”.
Thank you George :) This is a great look at how Cielo drive looks now; back in 1981 my friend Kathy & I took a drive up Benedict Cyn to see celebrity homes and we parked outside Valentino's home Falcon Lair to peek thru the gate & we could view Sharon's house across the way. It was nice to see it before the entire property was changed along with the address.
Linda was at the house when the killings began.
She was up close to the action.
She ran away from all that and then ran to the car.
The killers did park their car where I said at the bottom of that part of Cielo.
George Vreeland Hill Much longer walk to the property from that point than I thought. So if she ran back to the car she was very far away from the action by then.
@@richardbosworth6635 My understanding was that the car she ran back to wasn't their car at the bottom of the Cielo Drive (3/10's of a mile away) but was to Steven Parent's car in the long driveway near the gate.
Linda could have driven away at any point! She's just as guilty !!!
Loved this video ! Great job you did .. thanks for sharing this , us East Coast folks truly appreciate your time
It is Beverly Hills. My friend lives 200 feet from Sharon's house. He has been on tons of Haunted History and Paranormal shows. I have pics and have had experiences at the house. I have parked on that street, which is scary since it is so narrow....hard to turn around.
Just sold to that other fake paranormal dude. They ruined that house as original fit the beauty of thenatural surroundings. Sad its all ruined & only sold for 1.5 M. Probably used for old seances now!! RIP Sharon & friends!!
R.I.P., Sharon Tate (January 24, 1943 - August 9, 1969) and her unborn son.
That's a lot of walking you did, nice video, enjoyed it George.
My husband and I had our very first date at the gate - because when he asked me where in all of LA I wanted to go, this was my choice, lol. It was many years later, of course, but still while the original house & grounds were still standing and the same
Wow! That doesn't sound like a romantic date. Sounds scary lol
Was it on Haloween ?
I heard the guy say from Dearly Departed that you do need permission to be on the drive because so many ppl go there, especially on Aug 8th.
Great views George, was there before and after the old red house was torn down, much has changed in the past twenty years that is for sure! Thanks for your efforts!
when i was in cali back in 07. i went the tate residence. but, i knew it was no longer there. i wasnt on cielo but across the canyon. i did get to see the house that stands there now. kinda a big i sore. it doesnt really fit in with it's surroundings. i also went to the labianca house and i could see it while on the street it's on. i'm surprised how little it had changed from pictures i've seen back in 69 from old news footage
Awesome video! I'm a huge history buff when it comes to the Manson killings. I had a question for you though. You said the killers parked there car all the way at the bottom of the road leading to the Tate house. Linda Kasabian was at the car and heard the screams. That seems like a long way for her to hear the commotion going on. Are you sure that is where they parked the car? Anyways. Very good video.
Kasabian was at the house too.
How in the hell do two cars pass on that street?
The same way they do on the streets of South Philly, buckeroo!
How ya like that answer?
It's a dead-end street so only the residents would normally drive there.
When a friend drove me around the LA canyons, many of the roads were so high and narrow with such terrifying drop-offs, there was a lot of horn blowing and reverse of course.
@@rollydoucet8909 Literally a dead end on Aug. 9, 1969.
Thank you for taking us along with you on this h
Journey.
It gives me the chills to see you literally walking in the footsteps of the killers.we are seeing what they saw. What were they thinking as they walked towards the house.. it begs the question what were they thinking. Is it possible any of them have a tiny bit of clarity did they have a moment where they thought to rj
Themselves or outlout "this is wrong" ? Probably not it's so 💔
RIP Sharon , Paul Richard, Jay, Gibby, Voyteck ,and Steven ,,💔
The owner should have put a memorial plaque to the victims.
Thanks a lot for making this video George! I followed you up as far as i could on Google Street View and then hovered above. Very interesting. Would have been nice to have seen more of David Oman's house but i still really enjoyed it. Thanks for making the trek up there for us all to see. :)
Thanks for posting this video of touring of the Beverly Hills area it was helpful to me to see what actually happened that night of 1969 great job.
That new house is so tacky, it takes away the beauty that was once there.
We lived at 10160 Cielo back then and I was out late that night and saw their car when I got home; I thought it was just kids parking and thought nothing of it. The next day we were awakened to helicopters and dozens of police cars ambulances and other emergency vehicles. It was just unreal.
😂 you're lying
@@mikebooth5942 I'd have to agree
A walking tour of Cielo Drive in Beverly Hills, California.
This is where Sharon Tate and four others were murdered in 1969 by followers of Charles Manson.
Hi George. When you got close to the gate, I saw many vehicles parked on the road. Are there many more people living there now? Just curious cuz when the murders happened I remember reading/hearing how isolated that house was which is why no one heard the gunshots & screams. Thanks for your time. Carol
Michael Tsang Ho Yes Michael; Very sad. Sharon was beyond gorgeous & so excited to have her baby.
+Miss Malibu California Hi Miss Malibu. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this. It just never occurred to me what it must be like for those who still live on that street. I thought/assumed that after 45 years; it would no longer be such a morbid/tourist attraction. Again, I'm sorry for invading your privacy.
+Chica Latina yes it is she was 26 years old when she died and at that time she was due to have her unborn baby boy during that time.
+Chica Latina Because Manson believe whites belong to a cult.And that why had Tex Watson organized the crime Roman wasn't in L.A at the time he was still in London at the time filming his french film and didn't arrive to the states til after the murders occurred.
The telephone pole isn’t the original. It’s been replaced.
Roman and Sharon's baby was also murdered. Please remember there son.
Paul Richard Polanski.
The precious child stayed alive as Sharon bled out. Bless him a thousand times. Forever in his mother’s arms.
Hi George, I just wanted to say hi, I’m a huge fan of Sharon’s and like you, prefer to focus on how she lived, not how she died. I’ve been enjoying your videos for some time now and wanted to say thanks for uploading them so fans of Sharon like myself, can get a feel for where she lived etc. Blessings to you!
Even if the house was torn down I wouldn't want to live on that property just a thought of the tragedy that occurred there would be too much to take.
This is a great video of Cielo Drive and helpful. Good job, much appreciated!
Was up there over the weekend and it is a tight squeeze for one car getting up there. It was middle of the day and there was a woman getting stuff out of her car and it didn't really feel right parking out big suv in front of her house while we were taking pics near the gate. We had to do about a four point turnaround in her driveway to get out of there. Would've been cool to have hung around a little longer but, eh....not much to see. Can now say I've been there. We went to El Coyote right after for some damn strong margaritas
cschoen100
If you're still around, nice job on the video. The Manson case still fascinates me. So much is still not known nor will it ever probably be.
Great video George! Thanks for taking us here. I'm pretty sure those telephone poles get switched out ever 20 years or so.
Excellent book and he gives a lot of insight into the motives and really delves into the background of everyone from the killers to the murdered.
There is a scream at 7:45 but it's more of a " I just dropped an egg scream" than anything else.
I heard it
That creeped me out lol
I did the exact same walk in 1979.
Cielo looks much the same. However, the today driveway is "dramatically" different! It appears much longer, none of those structures on the left side existed in `69.
In 1979, everything still looked like 1969. The tall chain fence still existed. It was open, and I did walk up to the point where Parent was killed in his car. That`s where I stopped. The red house was easily within sight to the right.
I encountered zero people on Cielo and on the property, which I was clearly trespassing on. Zero!!
MrYellowlabs Two of the (now four) houses on the left by the gate, were indeed there in 1969. They were built in 1960.
According to the photos, they did exist.
There were 2 houses there in 1969. Winifred Chapman ran to one of them for help!
Thank you for making and sharing this video. It was very interesting.
Wow, if those were your "shakey" videos..then you are Excellent! Thank you for sharing!
I am such a fan of your videos George, you are a breath of fresh air ❤️
George. love your videos thay are ALWAYS interesting. Have to admit you are brave as there is NO WAY would I walk up that path on a quiet bank holiday on the first day of the new year with a camera - don't know who might get angry wanting to know why you are there! This video gives a good perspective of the house as most videos give a one dimemsional view of the location, Many thanks,
I suppose the people living in the houses nearby prefer that tourists interested in having a looksie walk up instead of driving their cars up the narrow road
Thank you so much for posting this. :)
thanks that was really fascinating I have always wondered what it looked like now , even though it's all changed it's still so creepy
Am currently reading Ed Sanders "Sharon Tate a life" and on page 168 her
friend Joanna Pettet said that Sharon told her she had wanted to have
her baby in London. It was Roman who made her come back to the United
States. Pettet says she hopes that Roman felt guilty about this. Just
IMAGINE if poor Sharon had still been in England. How cruel fate can
be.
I live in Florida and its good to see this area through your video, thanks George.
I Enjoy your videos, Thank you George!
Damn that street is narrow AF! I wpuld get severe anxiety driving up that road
Correction: Most people will already know, that was not the original telephone post Watson climbed.
Thank you, George. I enjoyed the scenic beauty
great video. couldnt ask for anything more in relation to getting a feel of the scene.
Thank you for posting this
When he was almost to the gate, I heard a woman scream. How can anyone live there? Too much pain and suffering went on there. I believe Sharon Tate was one of the most beautiful women that ever lived.
Wow thankyou so much for this vidéo George :-)
Wonderful video, thank you so much for sharing! Have you ever gone to the La Bianca scene? I got pix from the road a couple of yrs ago, it appears to be the same as it was in 1969. I also just noticed the "Twin House" on Cielo for sale, pix of it are nothing like the original so I wonder when it was torn down & re-done as well.
I agree. George did a great job. Happy New Year to you too.
"I have permission from the police to do this," the guy says. Yeah, right! As if the LAPD gives a crap all these years later.
Because people will call the police because of all the people going up there. PLUS some people have manners and are old school. They just don't do whatever they want wherever they want to whoever they want as seems most people do these days. He was being COURTEOUS.
@@haveahappyday1749 I read once that you don't walk in the rich neighborhoods, and if you are seen walking someone WILL call the cops..especially Beverly Hills. You just don't walk in BH unless you are shopping in town obviously.
@@Anonymousfrank Absolutely true. There are not sidewalks for a reason.
George , the pole was on the other side off the road. And it was on the out side of the property. i love your tapes , thanks I love your short films
The original house is long gone.
Gromit801 and for good reason I believe. No one would want to live in it.
93Vet Well, that's stupid. A ton of people lived in the house after the murders. They only rebuilt in in the late 2000's.
They tore it down as he was having issues renting it. Trent Resnor of NIN was the last renter. He found out what had happened there and moved. The house on there now covers the whole estate. I visited the home next door.
lin christopher Sorry dude, you're wrong. Trent Reznor moved in the house specifically because he KNEW what happened there. He recorded the Downward Spiral IN THE HOUSE! He knew what happened there. It was the most famous house in L.A. And the owner didn't demolish it because he couldn't rent it, they demolished and built that giant stupid house because property values were going so high up at the time.
He found out after! He moved out within a week! I'm not a dude! I'm a 60 year old woman who has been there. It's only famous if you are from this area or heard about it when you were alive. Trent was too young to know about all that. I'm a local.
I've also researched it thoroughly as I was 15 when it all happened. It was scary as we didn't know who did it.
"Cielo" means sky in Spanish. "Heaven" in Spanish is "Gloria".
It's actually haunting to see you walk up the driveway. It seems so secluded how did the bastards choose that house? Was it random or did they specifically target that house?
Manson specifically sent them to that house with orders to kill everyone inside. This used to be the home of a record producer who refused to publish Manson's song. Sharon Tate and her friends were just innocent victims who had nothing to do with that producer but were just in the wrong house at the wrong time.
No! Its Gets on drug burn !
"sorry if it seems a little shakey" hehe it's not shaky at all! Awesome video!!!
You have a powerful tool there, what camera/video editor did you use to reduce the motion? Thanks a lot for posting this!
Side note. When at the top of Bella Drive looking across the canyon to the murder site, he is standing directly in front of the former property of silent screen star Rudolph Valentino-Falcon Lair l(later owned by the now deceased tobacco heiress Doris Duke-also alleged her butler had a hand in her death). The name of the estate Falcon Lair is actually visible on the entry gate columns if you look very carefully.
Thanks for posting George.
I drove up there before it’s a spooky feeling but also I nice place to live
The road is so narrow I don't see how two cars could pass each other going in opposite directions.
Thank you George. How many minutes at a normal pace does it take to walk from Benedict Canyon Drive up Cielo Drive to the gate? The black maid, Winifred Chapman had to do that on a regular basis. Also the telephone pole at the time of the murders was on the opposite side of the drive outside the gate. I understand the current gate is is further down hill than the original. When you approached the original gate on the left was the telephone pole. Next the gate button and then the red mailbox.
So many other tragedies have occurred since but there is something about this one that time has not forgot i wasnt born until 1971 but have followed this story since my youth. Its very sad. I felt no sympathy when i heard of manson and susan atkins deaths in prison. Pure evil. They should have all been executed.