Great idea for a series! Loved the split screen and side by side comparison shots. And yes, they are toys. Some are just more intricate, accurate and eye pleasing than others. Thanks!
Thanks for such an in depth comparison of both generations! As an American I don't really know much about 00 models but the GWR 28XX is my favorite British steam locomotive and I've always wanted a model of mine, just was never quite sure which was the better of the two Hornby locos for my needs. Cheers!
Hey Sam, I can happily say your channel has pushed me to find my old model trains. Found my very first Train set which was the Inter City train set (black, white and red Livery). Need to see if it works after 15+ years of sitting dormant. Tidied my loft and cleaned everything up and bought myself the Hornby Tornado Express, Flight of the Mallard & the Duchess of Sutherland so I can make a nice setup. Really excited for it :D
That's fantastic to hear Peter - ahh the classic HST! I'm sure it will work - if not, check out my Ringfield servicing video, that should get it sorted! Brilliant mate - hope you enjoy your new gear! :D Cheers, Sam :)
Thanks Sam for this video - I have the Older Hornby Railways addition BR R1.43 Clas 2800 and it runs beautifully - yes it does not matter if the Loco is running and brings you joy - so be it modern or oldish - - Michelle Elizabeth Lines-Dovey - Hornby Forever
Very interesting video Sam. What needs to be remembered is that way back in the 1990's and earlier production methods were nothing like what they are now. Therefore any of the manufacturers could only do what they could with what they had. I look forward to your next video as always. Be well and keep safe, regards Gary.
Thanks for another insightful video Sam. Interesting reflection towards the end on whether model locos are toys. My initial instinct is to say ‘no’, but then my young son probably gets as much enjoyment out of them (if not more). He can operate a basic dc controller reasonably (with supervision), and I purposely bought a dcc system with a one loco extra easy to use handset so he can operate a train when he’s a little older. Although I tend to think of them as working models, and not toys, the whole idea of something that brings you joy is a good one that fits the bill. That is their basic function and purpose, so I think you’re probably right Sam. Certainly made me think! Looking forward to more great videos from you.
Thanks Fred - haha yeah things did get a bit deep at the end there! I suppose really they're whatever we want them to be - it's lovely your son enjoys them for what they are too! Appreciate it mate, thanks a lot, Sam :)
Brilliant! I have a tender driven 8F with a glowing firebox. I used to like running it with the lights off, in the dark... I say have... It's in a box, somewhere, in Brighton.
Another fascinating comparison Sam, and the points you bring up in this review are absolutely spot on. I recently purchased a Black version of the 28XX and it did indeed look ed a little 'Toy' like, however simply painting all the chrome parts , loco wheels and tender wheels Matt Black made a big difference to the look of the loco. If like me your running an oval layout, then you just can see all the detail that some modelers crave for these days, and the delicate build of these very detailed newer locos seems a compromise too far when the cost can be four times what I paid for mine...Keep up the great work...Bob
Well presented Sam, a lot of interesting points brought up. My newest loco is a 1998 Hornby King George 5th Top Link with tender drive. I have recently replaced the tiny cog on the Ringfield motor with a brass one. I love this loco. it may not be as sophisticated as new ones but is beautiful. Cost me £57 brand new from Hattons.
Thanks a lot Philip! Ahh sounds fantastic - that's one of the last of the tender driven engines then?? Sounds like a fantastic price! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Both locos are preserved. The 90s version, 2859 was at the Llangollen railway until only about half a year ago or so when it was sold off to be restored and 2807 is at the Gloucester and Warwickshire Railway.
Yes they are indeed - no idea how I managed to get two preserved ones, haha! Let's hope we get to see one running again soon! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Very cool video! I have some locomotives which are the same locomotive made by the same manufacuters, but the drive assembly is quite different! 10:11 Tyco made a "chug chug" box car that had a roller with some balls in it that moved when the box car did. The good thing about it that it did a proper slowed down chuffing when the train slowed down or started up! Even just a basic Bachmann USA steam locomotive has a smoke unit in it, but it isn't synchronized with the motor! (The one I have is from 2010, and I've never put smoke in it!)
In addition to others saying there's been a transition from toy-like model railways to far more discerning models and modellers. I remember Synchrosmoke (and also the boiler glow): to a lad of 7, 8, 9 as I was then, they were just amazing to see, even if - with hindsight - they weren't particularly realistic. With Synchrosmoke, as you say Sam, it was dirty and messy, and, as exciting as it was, it ruined plastic bodies, sleepers and rolling stock wheels as inevitably the locomotive dripped the oil that was burned to achieve the effect all over the track. Trains would therefore struggle to pull anything for all sorts of oil reasons. Also I remember a smell which mums didn't tend to like. In general, which I am confident you would acknowledge, comparisons though can be drawn between your video between the model of today to the one of 20 years ago: when I was young, even perhaps with my father, in comparative terms, I was looking at the model of 20, 30, 40 years ago in the same light as the modern locomotive you are comparing with it today (if that makes sense). In other words, what you see as the model of today, I, and my father, saw in the model those years ago because up until then, they had been even more clunky and unrealistic - though to a lad of my age back then, they were the height of excitementment and realism. I do make 1/48 model kits and the same could be said of those. Modellers are far more discerning and demanding, and that's good, because the plane models I build now are miles ahead of the clunky and inaccurate things of the 70s. Fantastic to see such accurate models now though, thank goodness, and if I had the room, I'd not think twice of starting a model railway again.
I agree - Syncrosmoke was truly remarkable - and still is I think, but definitely not practical! That's also true - the likes of Hornby dublo would have looked the same as the Old 28xx in the 1990s, without a doubt! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, a nice comparison. Like the newer detailed version very much but the older version is really good for her age and worth to collect. Cheers, Norbert
Thank you Sam. You answered a question I had about the differences between old and new and very comprehensively. Great review. I do prefer the newer models. So much nicer....a lot more finesse
Interesting comparison, Sam. Is really impresive that the two versions of the 28xx, have so much difference in a short time. Its a little bit understandable why in the modern one's firebox doesn't light up or blows smoke like the original model . The reason is propably because the original its tender driven, while the modern is loco driven, and there's no space lights and smoke. And I agree with you, about the hobby being more for children nowadays, (with the exception of the Thomas models). I like both versions, since they are enjoyable each one in its own way. Anyways very good review, I'll see you soon.
Thanks Valentino - I agree, I couldn't believe how close together they were released! I like both too - I agree with you! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I like your philosophy regarding the true value if any given model. Back in the day us serious modellers bought these older hornby versions and with romfotd wheels, improved mechs, extra detailing and new paint, we produced models we were very happy with. But others were happy enough with the stock hornby item. This meant that prices were at a level that suited all. Nowadays rhe market has gone over to the serious modeller and we have these lovely rtr models. At one stage I thought that loco kitbuilding and revamping rtr models was going to die out. Sadly, prices are now at a level that kitbuilding is very much a viable option. Especually given the hit and miss chassis design with some suppliers of rtr locos. In addition, a well put together kit can be worth much more than its' purchase cost. Maybe you should review a quality kitbuilt loco by someone like DJH?
Thanks very much Craig, appreciate it! Yep I think you're right there - the manufacturers have shifted to appeasing the elite now, and others have definitely had their noses pushed away! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I have just picked up one the older tender drive GWR 2800's in pristine condition. It is one of the last to come out of China with blackened valve gear and finer scale wheels and it is a vast improvement All for £70. Granted there are no sprung buffers but I see that as a small price to pay for what otherwise is an excellent locomotive.
Gained: Better detail, realism, DCC, slower speeds, & realistic sound. Lost: Robust, affordability, incredible power, made in their respective countries. Note* Yes i know some locomotives back then were made in Asia but, we still had plenty of e'm made in the America and Europe. These include Athearn, Bowser, Mantua, Stewart, Marklin, & Wrenn . Now do you think is it possible to find the middle ground between toy and model?
Hi, I recently looked at a price list from 1980 and found things very expensive really, which corresponds with my memories of not being able to afford the trains I really wanted back then. For example, a turning table costs about 2,5 times what it did back then, but inflation has been much higher than that and wages have gone up even more. Those prices were for German manufacturers, by the way.
The new one by far is superior, but they both seem pretty good to me. A good message on models as well, as long as they bring joy, that's what counts (or in your case actually provide work :) ) Also, I like the background music you had towards the end, please do more of that.
I have the old ex-Dapol version, and it has to be said it is an amazing engine for the price, hasn't ever failed whilst running and it can certainly pull! Great video Sam, perhaps you could do one for the Triang and Bachmann Blue Pullman?
Ahh is that so?? Glad to hear that's a good'n too - I didn't even know Dapol made one! I could certainly try that one day - great idea! :D Cheers, Sam :)
Well, I would have to go for the newer model, I have a certain dislike to tender drives. You are right that they are toys, I like a reasonable amount of details but am not fussed about painted cabs as I can do that myself if I wish. What I do like are working lights and I loved the firebox on the old engine. Of course I am not what would be called a serious modeler; after all my railway is made the exact size to fit under a bed so I can push it out the way if I wish. I find it relaxing to watch the trains go after a day at work.
Thanks Ian, good choice - me too - not a fan of Tender driven stuff! Me too - big fan of the working lights, wherever they are on a model! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Would have to loco drive one even time there’s something about the right wheels driving the loco along. Another idea Sam would be the old and new black5 or patriots
Thanks Ian - I agree, I definitely prefer loco driven too! Ooh yeah good ideas on those too - I'll have to give those a go! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Brilliant comments as ever! Have I missed your review of the Hornby R3006 BR 2-8-0 3800 CLASS - EARLY BR WEATHERED? Is the 3800 similar to the 2800 model please?
If I could just HAVE one version, likely the newer one. If I could only BUY one, well, that may be a different story. There's definitely something to be said for something being robust enough you can hand it to a 6 year old and know it'll come back mostly intact... closest thing I have to that are the Bachmann Thomas models and as tough as they may be I still don't like risking them considering the replacement cost (and questionable motors)
Hey Sam. You talking about detail and the railroad range reminded me of something. Have you had a chance to faf around with that airbrush yet? Reason I ask is because I'm detailing a railroad Scotsman, repainted, named, numbered and lined. Recommend you try it out
Hey Jake - yeah I did faff around with it, but it turned out to be no good - bugger didn't work properly! I might buy a better one some time and try again! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I had hoped for a comparison of haulage power. I did my own and the 2010 one managed 18 wagons with a lot of slipping and the 1990 one hauled 36. Up a steep hill 2010 managed 6 and the 1990 managed 17. What is worse there is no space for extra weight in the 2010.
The 1990s models were a lot better detailed than the 1950s and 1960s models. My only real concern with the old version of the 28XX is the tender drive. I don't run mine because tender-driven locomotives are banned from my model railway. Most of the details on the new model are great, but you don't notice them on a moving loco. I was very familiar with the prototype locos in the 50s, but I can't remember those details, and wouldn't notice them if they weren't there. Internal cab details are great, but, again, you cannot see them most of the time.
Ooh that's very true - though in the 1950s/1960s, they really were built to last - I have hundreds of them from that era! I love the idea of banning tender driven locos - I wouldn't mind making that a rule on my railway, haha! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Here in singapore we have quite a serious lack of model trains,back in the 2000's there were quite a lot of hobby shops around the country selling bachmann hornby and other brands but when 2007 rolled around something called the IPHONE appeared and everyone got one and basically got addicted to them and suddenly no one was into railway modeling anymore and lots and lots of hobby shops closed and by the time 2010 came basically model railways were dead in singapore and the only way to get trains and other items now is to buy them online but the prices are crazy for example the cheapest santa's express online now in singapore is around $160 crazy right? Also I think we need bullman Christmas decorations that would be interesting.
Sorry to hear that mate - I hope you're able to import some from other countries?? It is a shame that all your model shops closed :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I am not sure I prefer the fine details like the thin handrails on modern loco's. They break off very easily with you hardly noticing it, as I've experienced a few times. I do like the cab detailing, though, but I also like the gimmicks the old loco's had. They brought a bit of theatre that seems to have been replaced by a zeal for similarity to the prototype. But then, I suppose my view is just one among many different ones. For example, I also don't much like sound on OO scale loco's because the speakers are too small to represent the bass tones, so suddenly it's me who wants similarity to the prototype! It was interesting to watch and think about the differences, though, so thanks again for another illuminating vid.
This is a very good point - modern detail is much more fragile! Me too - I always enjoyed the gimmicks! Tell you what though - you should hear the new Hatton's class 66 sound - the bass is absolutely astonishing!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great video, Sam. One of your best me thinks. Comparisons of old and new is something I'd like to see more of. Definetly is not done often. I have started liking the older stuff again as they are oodles cheaper and can be upgraded. You are right on with computer games. Loads cheaper, less frustrating, less skill and space needed, seen as less geeky etc. It has a lot to do with the culture demographics no doubt. As to which loco I'd rather...obviously the newer one but if the older was, say, £50 and the newer £150 give me the older one. Been modelling for over 20 years, can spank it up myself. :) I'm just refusing modern RTR. The Heljan 02 Tango on Hattons is now less than £90 when it was £180 or whatever, same for a lot of other Hattons bargains. Obviously the RTR firms can still make a profit on £90 so that proves to me the £180 or whatever is a another $^£% take. There is over ten 0-8-0's of some description down to £56 from about £144 I think it was. Great pricw but again, if they can profit from that why take us for mugs in the first place? Ugh, whinging again!
Wow that's great to hear - thanks a lot mate, I will try to do more soon! For sure - price does have a big influence on the decision! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great video Sam, next time please can you do a comparison video between your old Hornby King class and your super modern, super detailed Hornby King class.
In terms of GWR 2-8-0 I'm kinda looking at a Heljan 47xx and I hear they aren't the horrors certain engines which shall not be named are. But certainly interesting comparison.
Sam's trains it might interest you to know that your crew in your older 2800 is the wrong way round almost all but definitely all locomotives during churchward and after where right hand driven. Your driver should be on the right and fireman on the left. Other big 4 companies are a bit more confusing depending on which Loco came from which pre grouping company they come from and from who designed them . Hope this little titbit is of interest to you
haha thanks so much for letting me know, I didn't know that! I should say that I didn't fit the crew though - the last owner did that!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I would point out the wonky chimney on the old one but you confessed to melting the boiler. I'd be torn as to which to have but the new one is better, ignoring the gimmicks you could add. A 28xx is worth it if you have use for it, for display or running a layout or both. The latter may ensure money's worth. One may struggle if they are picky about accuracy or are not a collector. Same goes for any model though really.
Sam'sTrains You are very welcome, I have a few trains, I do wonder the evolution of models. I feel since the 2000’s we are getting more realistic looking locomotives, it’s really cool, and partially why I got back into model railroads in 2017 (For me Money was the biggest setback, Plus knowing where to shop).
I would probably go for the 90's version as you can always weather it without too much worry and if your just running it for fun from a distance a lot of the finer detail is lost. The modern detailed loco is more for the collector/exhibitor. I think Hornbys mentality in the 90s was still the same as Tri-angs in the 60s to produce toy trains for the Father & son (Or Grandfather and grandson) to enjoy together where it was more concerned with releasing models that could be produced using the standard motor or chassis to keep costs down and there wasn't any real competition to force them to create more realistic models.
Thanks mate - yeah that's true, the old one would make for a good project! Definitely - it's interesting to see how that mentality has evolved! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
No GWR 2-8-0 engine, model or real, is my favourite in all honesty. I do take exception to 2857 on the Severn Valley Railway, and 3802 (the enlarged version with side-windowed cab) on the Llangollen Railway. But I don't love them in the same way as I love my beloved Foxcote Manor. The 2-8-0's run well, believe me, yet they are nowhere near as lovable as the 4-6-0 Manor Engines in my opinion. As for a comparison video, maybe, if you have both kinds, you could compare a Hornby 4-6-0 Hall with its Bachmann counterpart. I love the GWR Hall Engines almost as much as the Manors, so I'd like to see a GWR Hall comparison very much.
Help required. I am trying to buy a spare part for a Hornby class 5200 loco. The part i need is the sliding valve gear. The bit that slides back and forth on the two pins that stick out of the cylinder block.The loco was made in china and there is no spare part even listed. looking at the class 2800. The part looks to be identical. Can anyone confirm that it is the same part? The connecting rod is longer but i only need the sliding bit.
Steady on, not all of them are toys. The NRM has the world's oldest model railway, it was designed to train signalmen on the Lancashire & Yorkshire. I'm sure that the Underground had one at some point. I suspect in a world of HD TV, Blu-Rays and 60 frames per second manufacturers offering only lower detail models might struggle to keep going, no matter how robust their wares.
haha of course - but I think we can say they were closer to toys than they are today! But this is definitely true - though I do think a better selection of simpler models might help encourage children into the hobby, and keep it going! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Clap Clap well done m8! i was wondering if u could do a vid on the strongest loco, ie. Which can climb the steepest gradient, who could haul the most coaches/wagons etc. Keep up the great work!
I'm 11 and I have a set, I get mostly second hand models, with not much detail, like railroad and older mainline and triang models. My trackwork is shoddy and if an engine is derailed it could be damaged, and where I live there is precious little money, so we conserve by getting older, cheaper models that are less fragile. Plus, I like to thrash the hell out of my engines, I think 1419 (my 14xx) could well be planning a strike.
Very interesting and lots of points raised there. I think you summed up the differences very well. My first point would be, will the modern one still work and look much as it does today in 27 years time if it was given the same amount of use as the old one? Old one, was no doubt mass produced and as such had to be simple and easy to make and like you said share parts with others in the range, moderns locos much to my personal displeasure are usually limited runs and as we know, don't share that many parts with the rest of the range. Which looks best, well for sure Mr modern does, but back in the 90s our old friend looked like a 2800 and so therefore was one :) What do these models do? well spot on they bring joy, but they are without doubt also a passport to times long gone, experiences lived through and for many better and more simple times, that is a massive responsibility that todays manufactures just don't get I feel. Also of course many models will have been given as gifts and in 27 years there is every chance they will now hold a great deal of sentimental value to the owner. LOL I have gone on too long, nice video mate
Thanks a lot Mike - yeah that's very true - if these modern locos are still around in 27 years, it'll be because of lots of very hard work, they really don't build them like they used to! Thanks a lot for the comment mate, Cheers, Sam :)
Ooh that's tricky - most British models don't come with smoke... some of the tri-ang ones did though, if you're interested in vintage?? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I’m kinda wondering dose it matter if I put the detail on my locomotives or is it up to me because I might mess it up so probably my father will do it for me. Btw superb vid Sam and I’m going to a model railway show this weekend in Manchester.
Hey sam, I just wanted to say that I love your content and I think that you should keep going with all of your videos. I think a great video would be to do a race of three different locos. Perhaps team thomas, team real life and team American locos. You could add some different races and things. Thankyou so much for your videos Sam.
Video games, pa, being a teen, 15, I ditch all the things teens are suppose to like, and stuck modeling, besides who has time for video games when you got trains to work in your room. It is sad though that many younger people get into modeling. Thanks
This is why i prefere the older models cause it was at a time when modelrailwaying was just about having fun now days its just too serious. P.s i have been to alot of exibitions this year and about 40% that go are kids so they do have an intrest what stops them is the bloody price tag
That's true Daniel - I do wish it wasn't always as serious! And absolutely - the price is really prohibiting at times to :/ Thanks for watching - Sam :)
They really just look the same, its almost like they only did a paint job upgrade on it. Why did they put people in the old one but not the new one!?!?!? though I like painted cabs. Hornby has been doing better at the model upgrades! but they are almost becoming more fragile. A glowing firebox!?!? KEEP IT HORNBY, DONT THROUGH IT ON THE CURB. Edit: You make my day when you comment back Sam!
Nahh - there are massive differences once you look up close! I think the figures were fitted by the previous owner, and were not original to the model, though it would be awesome if they added crew! I agree though - I wish they made models like they used to :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Good video as usual. I would prefer the new more detailed model. But I agree with you that they should have a less expensive trains just for kids. BTW, have you heard from IC/82?
Thanks Frank! Yeah I love them too - but I also really enjoy the basic models, it's a shame we don't see more of them! Sadly I'm not in contact with Will, but hopefully all is well with him! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam: these old fashioned really clunky looking whistles Me: how dare you those whistles are my childhood Great video as always. Thank you for the awesome entertainment. Aman95
well, sometimes it isn't kids, there are sometimes teens who watch this or pre-teens. but yes the cost is what draws people like us to limit down on what we need to buy, even for a simple Express Passenger Locomotive, 110 quid or probably $120+ USD that's probably going to end the kids money he was saving up for years
Amazing video! I love your idea to compare new and old models and it really helps to get an idea of Hornby's improvements over time!
Thanks so much mate - yeah I agree, I thought it was a nice idea to show how Hornby's models have evolved!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I always loved the Great Western Railway engines! This looks fantastic!
Me too! They are fantastic aren't they?? :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great idea for a series! Loved the split screen and side by side comparison shots. And yes, they are toys. Some are just more intricate, accurate and eye pleasing than others. Thanks!
Thanks a lot Andrew, glad you liked that mate! Very true - but we have to love them, whatever they are! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Thanks for such an in depth comparison of both generations! As an American I don't really know much about 00 models but the GWR 28XX is my favorite British steam locomotive and I've always wanted a model of mine, just was never quite sure which was the better of the two Hornby locos for my needs. Cheers!
My pleasure - really glad you enjoyed it! Yeah the 28xx are really lovely looking engines! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hey Sam, I can happily say your channel has pushed me to find my old model trains. Found my very first Train set which was the Inter City train set (black, white and red Livery). Need to see if it works after 15+ years of sitting dormant. Tidied my loft and cleaned everything up and bought myself the Hornby Tornado Express, Flight of the Mallard & the Duchess of Sutherland so I can make a nice setup. Really excited for it :D
That's fantastic to hear Peter - ahh the classic HST! I'm sure it will work - if not, check out my Ringfield servicing video, that should get it sorted! Brilliant mate - hope you enjoy your new gear! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Thanks Sam for this video - I have the Older Hornby Railways addition BR R1.43 Clas 2800 and it runs beautifully - yes it does not matter if the Loco is running and brings you joy - so be it modern or oldish - - Michelle Elizabeth Lines-Dovey - Hornby Forever
Great video! I've got the old one, but never really looked at the new - amazed by how much better it is! Definitely on my shopping list now!
Ooh fantastic John - hope you enjoy it if you decide to go for one! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Very interesting video Sam. What needs to be remembered is that way back in the 1990's and earlier production methods were nothing like what they are now. Therefore any of the manufacturers could only do what they could with what they had. I look forward to your next video as always. Be well and keep safe, regards Gary.
Ooh absolutely - they were still very impressive for the time - it's just nice to see how far we've come! :D
Thanks Gary,
Sam :)
Thanks for another insightful video Sam. Interesting reflection towards the end on whether model locos are toys. My initial instinct is to say ‘no’, but then my young son probably gets as much enjoyment out of them (if not more). He can operate a basic dc controller reasonably (with supervision), and I purposely bought a dcc system with a one loco extra easy to use handset so he can operate a train when he’s a little older.
Although I tend to think of them as working models, and not toys, the whole idea of something that brings you joy is a good one that fits the bill. That is their basic function and purpose, so I think you’re probably right Sam. Certainly made me think! Looking forward to more great videos from you.
Thanks Fred - haha yeah things did get a bit deep at the end there! I suppose really they're whatever we want them to be - it's lovely your son enjoys them for what they are too!
Appreciate it mate, thanks a lot,
Sam :)
Brilliant!
I have a tender driven 8F with a glowing firebox. I used to like running it with the lights off, in the dark...
I say have... It's in a box, somewhere, in Brighton.
Thanks a lot Phil! Ahh yes I've seen those 8Fs that have the bulb too - haha time to dig it out again then?? ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I would, but it's in Brighton. I'm currently in Beverley... Many miles away 😭 I also miss my B1...
Awsome vid! I think i want to build this in lego!
Ooh sounds fantastic! Good luck with the build! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
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Another fascinating comparison Sam, and the points you bring up in this review are absolutely spot on. I recently purchased a Black version of the 28XX and it did indeed look ed a little 'Toy' like, however simply painting all the chrome parts , loco wheels and tender wheels Matt Black made a big difference to the look of the loco. If like me your running an oval layout, then you just can see all the detail that some modelers crave for these days, and the delicate build of these very detailed newer locos seems a compromise too far when the cost can be four times what I paid for mine...Keep up the great work...Bob
Hey Bob, thanks a lot for the supportive comment as always - and glad to hear you were able to improve one of yours!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well presented Sam, a lot of interesting points brought up. My newest loco is a 1998 Hornby King George 5th Top Link with tender drive. I have recently replaced the tiny cog on the Ringfield motor with a brass one. I love this loco. it may not be as sophisticated as new ones but is beautiful. Cost me £57 brand new from Hattons.
Thanks a lot Philip! Ahh sounds fantastic - that's one of the last of the tender driven engines then?? Sounds like a fantastic price! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Both locos are preserved. The 90s version, 2859 was at the Llangollen railway until only about half a year ago or so when it was sold off to be restored and 2807 is at the Gloucester and Warwickshire Railway.
Yes they are indeed - no idea how I managed to get two preserved ones, haha! Let's hope we get to see one running again soon! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
2807 is currently operational, but let’s hope that 2859 won’t be far behind
2807 is currently operational, but let’s hope that 2859 won’t be far behind
Very cool video! I have some locomotives which are the same locomotive made by the same manufacuters, but the drive assembly is quite different!
10:11 Tyco made a "chug chug" box car that had a roller with some balls in it that moved when the box car did. The good thing about it that it did a proper slowed down chuffing when the train slowed down or started up!
Even just a basic Bachmann USA steam locomotive has a smoke unit in it, but it isn't synchronized with the motor! (The one I have is from 2010, and I've never put smoke in it!)
Ahh is that so? Which are those then??
That sounds like a brilliant idea from Tyco - I really like their stuff!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam. Enjoyed your comparison review. Thinking of getting the 2800 for my collection.
Thanks very much mate, I can recommend them - excellent models! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
In addition to others saying there's been a transition from toy-like model railways to far more discerning models and modellers. I remember Synchrosmoke (and also the boiler glow): to a lad of 7, 8, 9 as I was then, they were just amazing to see, even if - with hindsight - they weren't particularly realistic. With Synchrosmoke, as you say Sam, it was dirty and messy, and, as exciting as it was, it ruined plastic bodies, sleepers and rolling stock wheels as inevitably the locomotive dripped the oil that was burned to achieve the effect all over the track. Trains would therefore struggle to pull anything for all sorts of oil reasons. Also I remember a smell which mums didn't tend to like.
In general, which I am confident you would acknowledge, comparisons though can be drawn between your video between the model of today to the one of 20 years ago: when I was young, even perhaps with my father, in comparative terms, I was looking at the model of 20, 30, 40 years ago in the same light as the modern locomotive you are comparing with it today (if that makes sense). In other words, what you see as the model of today, I, and my father, saw in the model those years ago because up until then, they had been even more clunky and unrealistic - though to a lad of my age back then, they were the height of excitementment and realism.
I do make 1/48 model kits and the same could be said of those. Modellers are far more discerning and demanding, and that's good, because the plane models I build now are miles ahead of the clunky and inaccurate things of the 70s.
Fantastic to see such accurate models now though, thank goodness, and if I had the room, I'd not think twice of starting a model railway again.
I agree - Syncrosmoke was truly remarkable - and still is I think, but definitely not practical! That's also true - the likes of Hornby dublo would have looked the same as the Old 28xx in the 1990s, without a doubt!
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Hi Sam, a nice comparison. Like the newer detailed version very much but the older version is really good for her age and worth to collect. Cheers, Norbert
Thanks Norbert - yeah I feel the same, they're both fantastic really! :D
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Thank you Sam. You answered a question I had about the differences between old and new and very comprehensively.
Great review. I do prefer the newer models. So much nicer....a lot more finesse
Thanks very much Robert, yes that's very true - much more finesse on later models!
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Dammnn! That was deep! Thx for another great vid, Tobin
haha thanks Tobin - yeah it did get a little deep in the end! ;D
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Interesting comparison, Sam. Is really impresive that the two versions of the 28xx, have so much difference in a short time. Its a little bit understandable why in the modern one's firebox doesn't light up or blows smoke like the original model . The reason is propably because the original its tender driven, while the modern is loco driven, and there's no space lights and smoke. And I agree with you, about the hobby being more for children nowadays, (with the exception of the Thomas models). I like both versions, since they are enjoyable each one in its own way. Anyways very good review, I'll see you soon.
Thanks Valentino - I agree, I couldn't believe how close together they were released! I like both too - I agree with you! :D
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I like your philosophy regarding the true value if any given model. Back in the day us serious modellers bought these older hornby versions and with romfotd wheels, improved mechs, extra detailing and new paint, we produced models we were very happy with. But others were happy enough with the stock hornby item. This meant that prices were at a level that suited all. Nowadays rhe market has gone over to the serious modeller and we have these lovely rtr models. At one stage I thought that loco kitbuilding and revamping rtr models was going to die out. Sadly, prices are now at a level that kitbuilding is very much a viable option. Especually given the hit and miss chassis design with some suppliers of rtr locos. In addition, a well put together kit can be worth much more than its' purchase cost. Maybe you should review a quality kitbuilt loco by someone like DJH?
Thanks very much Craig, appreciate it! Yep I think you're right there - the manufacturers have shifted to appeasing the elite now, and others have definitely had their noses pushed away!
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Very true Richard, agreed!
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I think i would want the new one first but Sam do you think you could do an unboxing of the Bachmann sound Thomas.
That's a good choice! :D
I have just picked up one the older tender drive GWR 2800's in pristine condition. It is one of the last to come out of China with blackened valve gear and finer scale wheels and it is a vast improvement All for £70. Granted there are no sprung buffers but I see that as a small price to pay for what otherwise is an excellent locomotive.
Gained: Better detail, realism, DCC, slower speeds, & realistic sound.
Lost: Robust, affordability, incredible power, made in their respective countries.
Note* Yes i know some locomotives back then were made in Asia but, we still had plenty of e'm made in the America and Europe.
These include Athearn, Bowser, Mantua, Stewart, Marklin, & Wrenn .
Now do you think is it possible to find the middle ground between toy and model?
That's a very good way to look at it - the middle ground would be excellent!
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Hi, I recently looked at a price list from 1980 and found things very expensive really, which corresponds with my memories of not being able to afford the trains I really wanted back then.
For example, a turning table costs about 2,5 times what it did back then, but inflation has been much higher than that and wages have gone up even more.
Those prices were for German manufacturers, by the way.
@@diedertspijkerboer For us Americans Mantua Diecast Steamers costed $60-80.
@@Steamer96 I suppose that's a big difference with a comparable loco today?
Useful comparison. My favorite locomotive type by far (although I love the 42xx/52xx too I am getting one for Xmas which is exiting)
Ooh that's very exciting - really hope you like it mate! :D
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The new one by far is superior, but they both seem pretty good to me. A good message on models as well, as long as they bring joy, that's what counts (or in your case actually provide work :) ) Also, I like the background music you had towards the end, please do more of that.
Thanks Patrick - I agree, they definitely both are great models!! Thanks mate, I'll try more of that again soon! :D
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Great video of those two GWR Class 2800 models there mate. Looks nice those steam engines of course. Thanks for sharing this bud. Cheers from ... Josh
Thanks very much Josh - my pleasure, glad you liked it! :D
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I have the old ex-Dapol version, and it has to be said it is an amazing engine for the price, hasn't ever failed whilst running and it can certainly pull! Great video Sam, perhaps you could do one for the Triang and Bachmann Blue Pullman?
Ahh is that so?? Glad to hear that's a good'n too - I didn't even know Dapol made one! I could certainly try that one day - great idea! :D
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@@SamsTrains yeah, back in the 1990s Hornby bought a lot of GWR toolings from Dapol, and this was one of them
Sam, that was a great comparison review. Was looking out for you at Warley, but failed to see you. Did see Dean Park, with his emblazoned T shirt.
Ahh sorry to hear that mate - I was trying to be inconspicuous, haha!
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Very cool, insightful, and interesting combi-revue.
Thanks Anthony, glad you enjoyed it mate! :D
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Well, I would have to go for the newer model, I have a certain dislike to tender drives. You are right that they are toys, I like a reasonable amount of details but am not fussed about painted cabs as I can do that myself if I wish. What I do like are working lights and I loved the firebox on the old engine. Of course I am not what would be called a serious modeler; after all my railway is made the exact size to fit under a bed so I can push it out the way if I wish. I find it relaxing to watch the trains go after a day at work.
Thanks Ian, good choice - me too - not a fan of Tender driven stuff! Me too - big fan of the working lights, wherever they are on a model!
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The detail on both is amazing for the Times they where made great video
Thanks Lewis - I agree, both really are lovely! :D
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Nice job! Enjoyed this comparison, and your thoughts on them. Thank you.
Appreciate it Jeff, thanks very much! :D
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Would have to loco drive one even time there’s something about the right wheels driving the loco along. Another idea Sam would be the old and new black5 or patriots
Thanks Ian - I agree, I definitely prefer loco driven too! Ooh yeah good ideas on those too - I'll have to give those a go!
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Brilliant comments as ever! Have I missed your review of the Hornby R3006 BR 2-8-0 3800 CLASS - EARLY BR WEATHERED? Is the 3800 similar to the 2800 model please?
If I could just HAVE one version, likely the newer one. If I could only BUY one, well, that may be a different story.
There's definitely something to be said for something being robust enough you can hand it to a 6 year old and know it'll come back mostly intact... closest thing I have to that are the Bachmann Thomas models and as tough as they may be I still don't like risking them considering the replacement cost (and questionable motors)
Hey Sam. You talking about detail and the railroad range reminded me of something. Have you had a chance to faf around with that airbrush yet? Reason I ask is because I'm detailing a railroad Scotsman, repainted, named, numbered and lined. Recommend you try it out
Hey Jake - yeah I did faff around with it, but it turned out to be no good - bugger didn't work properly! I might buy a better one some time and try again! :D
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@@SamsTrains Sad to hear that Sam. Any liveries you'd like to try painting if and when you get some practice in?
This was a fantastic comparison video Sam. :D
Thanks so much Kameron! :D
Sure thing.
I had hoped for a comparison of haulage power. I did my own and the 2010 one managed 18 wagons with a lot of slipping and the 1990 one hauled 36. Up a steep hill 2010 managed 6 and the 1990 managed 17. What is worse there is no space for extra weight in the 2010.
Interesting thought! I suppose the 1990s version will have more power provided its rubber tyres are in good shape!
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The 1990s models were a lot better detailed than the 1950s and 1960s models.
My only real concern with the old version of the 28XX is the tender drive. I don't run mine because tender-driven locomotives are banned from my model railway. Most of the details on the new model are great, but you don't notice them on a moving loco.
I was very familiar with the prototype locos in the 50s, but I can't remember those details, and wouldn't notice them if they weren't there. Internal cab details are great, but, again, you cannot see them most of the time.
Ooh that's very true - though in the 1950s/1960s, they really were built to last - I have hundreds of them from that era! I love the idea of banning tender driven locos - I wouldn't mind making that a rule on my railway, haha! ;D
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Very good comparing video Sam.
Thanks a lot mate! :D
Here in singapore we have quite a serious lack of model trains,back in the 2000's there were quite a lot of hobby shops around the country selling bachmann hornby and other brands but when 2007 rolled around something called the IPHONE appeared and everyone got one and basically got addicted to them and suddenly no one was into railway modeling anymore and lots and lots of hobby shops closed and by the time 2010 came basically model railways were dead in singapore and the only way to get trains and other items now is to buy them online but the prices are crazy for example the cheapest santa's express online now in singapore is around $160 crazy right? Also I think we need bullman Christmas decorations that would be interesting.
Sorry to hear that mate - I hope you're able to import some from other countries?? It is a shame that all your model shops closed :(
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I am not sure I prefer the fine details like the thin handrails on modern loco's. They break off very easily with you hardly noticing it, as I've experienced a few times.
I do like the cab detailing, though, but I also like the gimmicks the old loco's had. They brought a bit of theatre that seems to have been replaced by a zeal for similarity to the prototype.
But then, I suppose my view is just one among many different ones.
For example, I also don't much like sound on OO scale loco's because the speakers are too small to represent the bass tones, so suddenly it's me who wants similarity to the prototype!
It was interesting to watch and think about the differences, though, so thanks again for another illuminating vid.
This is a very good point - modern detail is much more fragile! Me too - I always enjoyed the gimmicks!
Tell you what though - you should hear the new Hatton's class 66 sound - the bass is absolutely astonishing!!
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These two engines look amazing,old or new they both still look nice. :D
Thanks Noah - I do agree with you actually! :D
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Great video, Sam. One of your best me thinks. Comparisons of old and new is something I'd like to see more of. Definetly is not done often. I have started liking the older stuff again as they are oodles cheaper and can be upgraded.
You are right on with computer games. Loads cheaper, less frustrating, less skill and space needed, seen as less geeky etc. It has a lot to do with the culture demographics no doubt.
As to which loco I'd rather...obviously the newer one but if the older was, say, £50 and the newer £150 give me the older one. Been modelling for over 20 years, can spank it up myself. :)
I'm just refusing modern RTR.
The Heljan 02 Tango on Hattons is now less than £90 when it was £180 or whatever, same for a lot of other Hattons bargains.
Obviously the RTR firms can still make a profit on £90 so that proves to me the £180 or whatever is a another $^£% take.
There is over ten 0-8-0's of some description down to £56 from about £144 I think it was. Great pricw but again, if they can profit from that why take us for mugs in the first place?
Ugh, whinging again!
Wow that's great to hear - thanks a lot mate, I will try to do more soon! For sure - price does have a big influence on the decision!
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Great video Sam, next time please can you do a comparison video between your old Hornby King class and your super modern, super detailed Hornby King class.
Fantastic idea Adam - I can certainly try that! :D
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In terms of GWR 2-8-0 I'm kinda looking at a Heljan 47xx and I hear they aren't the horrors certain engines which shall not be named are.
But certainly interesting comparison.
haha that's good to hear Jack - hope they are better than the cough*tango*coughcough!
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The 90's one would work as a Railroad piece at about £40-50. I'd be willing to pay for that and shipping to add to my collection
Yeah you're right - I'd be more than willing to buy one!! :D
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I think I'd go for the new version even if the Firebox glow in the old version is pretty cool! :)
Thanks mate, I'd agree with you! I guess a quick modification could bring that back! ;D
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Sam's trains it might interest you to know that your crew in your older 2800 is the wrong way round almost all but definitely all locomotives during churchward and after where right hand driven. Your driver should be on the right and fireman on the left. Other big 4 companies are a bit more confusing depending on which Loco came from which pre grouping company they come from and from who designed them . Hope this little titbit is of interest to you
haha thanks so much for letting me know, I didn't know that! I should say that I didn't fit the crew though - the last owner did that!!
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Amazing video Sam!!!
Thanks Arthur! :D
I like the old version some of the wheel don't move,could be useful in recreating an engine moving into a museum
Ahh yeah that's true - that'd be cool! :D
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I would point out the wonky chimney on the old one but you confessed to melting the boiler. I'd be torn as to which to have but the new one is better, ignoring the gimmicks you could add. A 28xx is worth it if you have use for it, for display or running a layout or both. The latter may ensure money's worth. One may struggle if they are picky about accuracy or are not a collector. Same goes for any model though really.
haha yep - the smoke generator can take the blame for that one! Thanks for the comment anyway - I agree with you!
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fascinating comparison
Thanks very much pal! :D
Sam'sTrains You are very welcome, I have a few trains, I do wonder the evolution of models.
I feel since the 2000’s we are getting more realistic looking locomotives, it’s really cool, and partially why I got back into model railroads in 2017 (For me Money was the biggest setback, Plus knowing where to shop).
I would probably go for the 90's version as you can always weather it without too much worry and if your just running it for fun from a distance a lot of the finer detail is lost. The modern detailed loco is more for the collector/exhibitor.
I think Hornbys mentality in the 90s was still the same as Tri-angs in the 60s to produce toy trains for the Father & son (Or Grandfather and grandson) to enjoy together where it was more concerned with releasing models that could be produced using the standard motor or chassis to keep costs down and there wasn't any real competition to force them to create more realistic models.
Thanks mate - yeah that's true, the old one would make for a good project! Definitely - it's interesting to see how that mentality has evolved!
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Either way, they’re definitely a beautiful class.
Ooh definitely - I love them!! :D
Are Hornby trains available in the United States? And also is bachmann's first track pack good to purchase?
Yeah they are - you can order them from Hatton's, and they'll ship to you! :D
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Hey Sam did you know the older version has a smoke generator?
Yeah they certainly do! :D
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Can you do some more videos on your coronation engines? Especially the streamlined versions as I find them so amazing!
Yeah for sure - I'm hoping to do a Coronation soon - I love those too! :D
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No GWR 2-8-0 engine, model or real, is my favourite in all honesty. I do take exception to 2857 on the Severn Valley Railway, and 3802 (the enlarged version with side-windowed cab) on the Llangollen Railway. But I don't love them in the same way as I love my beloved Foxcote Manor. The 2-8-0's run well, believe me, yet they are nowhere near as lovable as the 4-6-0 Manor Engines in my opinion. As for a comparison video, maybe, if you have both kinds, you could compare a Hornby 4-6-0 Hall with its Bachmann counterpart. I love the GWR Hall Engines almost as much as the Manors, so I'd like to see a GWR Hall comparison very much.
Glad to hear that Kelly, I do like 4-6-0s and 2-8-0s equally probably! :D
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I have been trying to figure out a way to convert tender driven locomotives to engine driven
It's certainly not an easy thing to do - though it makes a good project I guess! :D
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@@SamsTrains it will take time
Help required. I am trying to buy a spare part for a Hornby class 5200 loco. The part i need is the sliding valve gear. The bit that slides back and forth on the two pins that stick out of the cylinder block.The loco was made in china and there is no spare part even listed.
looking at the class 2800. The part looks to be identical. Can anyone confirm that it is the same part?
The connecting rod is longer but i only need the sliding bit.
I'm not certain of that I'm afraid - I don't have a 5200 class unfortunately :(
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does Hornby provide little kits to make you engine look weathered or do you do it yourself?
There you go! Thanks for that Mark - there are companies that make kits obviously, but mainly not Hornby!
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Great vid cheers, is there a GWR Great Bear loco model train? Can you review a Hornby GWRHall class from the 1970s with the motor back in the loco?
Sadly there isn't - but I'd love to have one!! Ooh yeah I can definitely do that! :D
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Great video Sam you should do more comparison videos
Thanks mate, I'd love to do more soon! :D
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Steady on, not all of them are toys. The NRM has the world's oldest model railway, it was designed to train signalmen on the Lancashire & Yorkshire. I'm sure that the Underground had one at some point. I suspect in a world of HD TV, Blu-Rays and 60 frames per second manufacturers offering only lower detail models might struggle to keep going, no matter how robust their wares.
haha of course - but I think we can say they were closer to toys than they are today! But this is definitely true - though I do think a better selection of simpler models might help encourage children into the hobby, and keep it going!
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Clap Clap well done m8! i was wondering if u could do a vid on the strongest loco, ie. Which can climb the steepest gradient, who could haul the most coaches/wagons etc. Keep up the great work!
Thanks a lot mate! That's a very good idea - I could definitely test that! :D
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Hi Sam, very good the new one for me, nice details All the Best Brian🤗
Thanks Brian! Can't disagree there - the newest one does look superb! :D
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I'm 11 and I have a set, I get mostly second hand models, with not much detail, like railroad and older mainline and triang models. My trackwork is shoddy and if an engine is derailed it could be damaged, and where I live there is precious little money, so we conserve by getting older, cheaper models that are less fragile. Plus, I like to thrash the hell out of my engines, I think 1419 (my 14xx) could well be planning a strike.
Hey Polly, thanks a lot for the comment! That sounds fine by me - as long as you have fun, you're doing it right!
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i like the green on the older one better
just my opinion and i think the older one
was more for playing with and not for
looking at go around
Good choice David - I think the older green looked better too! :D
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You ever thought about 3 rail or 2 rail o scale?
I have thought about it, never tried them though!
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Very interesting and lots of points raised there. I think you summed up the differences very well. My first point would be, will the modern one still work and look much as it does today in 27 years time if it was given the same amount of use as the old one? Old one, was no doubt mass produced and as such had to be simple and easy to make and like you said share parts with others in the range, moderns locos much to my personal displeasure are usually limited runs and as we know, don't share that many parts with the rest of the range. Which looks best, well for sure Mr modern does, but back in the 90s our old friend looked like a 2800 and so therefore was one :) What do these models do? well spot on they bring joy, but they are without doubt also a passport to times long gone, experiences lived through and for many better and more simple times, that is a massive responsibility that todays manufactures just don't get I feel. Also of course many models will have been given as gifts and in 27 years there is every chance they will now hold a great deal of sentimental value to the owner. LOL I have gone on too long, nice video mate
Thanks a lot Mike - yeah that's very true - if these modern locos are still around in 27 years, it'll be because of lots of very hard work, they really don't build them like they used to! Thanks a lot for the comment mate,
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I agree with your comments, Sam
haha thanks Nigel! :D
Can you do a review on the heljan GWR 47XX?
Possibly! You reckon they're better than the Tangos??
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@@SamsTrains They are! They can pull much more without wheelslip!
These locomotives are neat. In the United States 2-8-0s are incredibly common
Thanks Nate! Ooh is that so? I didn't know that! :O
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Awesome comparison video Sam, I'm also going to the Wiggle Pop! Big Show this Saturday.
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Ooh wow!! Massive Wiggles fan then?! Hope you have a fantastic time! :D
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ahh yes! a wiggles fan?
Hey Sam i was wondering if you could recommend a cheapish loco with smoke thats dcc please
Ooh that's tricky - most British models don't come with smoke... some of the tri-ang ones did though, if you're interested in vintage??
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That fownkey music at the end!
haha! ;D
Hey Sam'sTrains isn't the first gwr 18xx the one that you showed in your old video
It's possible - I certainly had that one for ages, it was definitely in my early videos!
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Cool!! First (i think) big fan!! Love your videos!! Can you make another thomas tank ep about henry??
Thanks a lot for the comment mate! Ooh that'd be fun - good idea! :D
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Nice video! But I think i was hoping you would do a low speed running test.
No problem! Check out the reviews for both models - you can see them run nice and slow there! :D
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To me the firebox light colour is orange on the old Hornby 28xx
Yeah I think that's fair to say Adam!
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Amazing video today Sam both are beautiful models
Thanks James - I agree, they are both beautiful! :D
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Sam'sTrains the updated one looks better
the old one, without the smoke unit and a revised drive mechanism would be a good $50 model.
Yeah that's true - it'd be great in the railroad range!
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Fun fact: both 2859 and 2807 are preserved and both were in Barry.
Ooh that's very cool - what are the chances of that?! :O
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Sam'sTrains however 2859 has never run in preservation. But 2807 residing at the Gloucester and Warwickshire railway.
What I mean is 2807 has run in preservation
What do you use for filming because you've seen the quality of mine, you can see every movement I do, for you you do lots of different scenes
Yeah, my stuff is quite heavily edited - I often try to film a few different angles too! :D
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I’m kinda wondering dose it matter if I put the detail on my locomotives or is it up to me because I might mess it up so probably my father will do it for me.
Btw superb vid Sam and I’m going to a model railway show this weekend in Manchester.
haha yeah that's true - the more detail, the more fragile! That's awesome - have fun there mate! :D
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Sam'sTrains yeah. Thanks :D
Hey sam, I just wanted to say that I love your content and I think that you should keep going with all of your videos. I think a great video would be to do a race of three different locos. Perhaps team thomas, team real life and team American locos. You could add some different races and things. Thankyou so much for your videos Sam.
Thanks so much for your lovely kind words - I really appreciate that! And great idea on the race, I could try that! :D
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@@SamsTrains Thankyou so much Sam. Thanks for your videos.
Is there such thing as GNR? I ink it would be great NORTHERN railway
Yes there is - the GNR exists, and it does indeed stand for that! :D
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Video games, pa, being a teen, 15, I ditch all the things teens are suppose to like, and stuck modeling, besides who has time for video games when you got trains to work in your room. It is sad though that many younger people get into modeling. Thanks
haha that's very true Lucas! I'll be honest - I love video games - but I still have a lot of time for 'real' toys! :D
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This is why i prefere the older models cause it was at a time when modelrailwaying was just about having fun now days its just too serious.
P.s i have been to alot of exibitions this year and about 40% that go are kids so they do have an intrest what stops them is the bloody price tag
That's true Daniel - I do wish it wasn't always as serious! And absolutely - the price is really prohibiting at times to :/
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They really just look the same, its almost like they only did a paint job upgrade on it. Why did they put people in the old one but not the new one!?!?!? though I like painted cabs. Hornby has been doing better at the model upgrades! but they are almost becoming more fragile.
A glowing firebox!?!? KEEP IT HORNBY, DONT THROUGH IT ON THE CURB.
Edit: You make my day when you comment back Sam!
Nahh - there are massive differences once you look up close! I think the figures were fitted by the previous owner, and were not original to the model, though it would be awesome if they added crew!
I agree though - I wish they made models like they used to :(
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Do a review on Union Pacific Big Boy 4014 steam locomotive.
I would love that- they do look awesome! :D
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Good video as usual. I would prefer the new more detailed model. But I agree with you that they should have a less expensive trains just for kids. BTW, have you heard from IC/82?
Thanks Frank! Yeah I love them too - but I also really enjoy the basic models, it's a shame we don't see more of them! Sadly I'm not in contact with Will, but hopefully all is well with him! :D
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Sam: these old fashioned really clunky looking whistles
Me: how dare you those whistles are my childhood
Great video as always. Thank you for the awesome entertainment.
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haha sorry about that mate - I love the old models too, don't get me wrong! ;D
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well, sometimes it isn't kids, there are sometimes teens who watch this or pre-teens. but yes the cost is what draws people like us to limit down on what we need to buy, even for a simple Express Passenger Locomotive, 110 quid or probably $120+ USD that's probably going to end the kids money he was saving up for years
Yeah very true - and I think most younguns would just get fed up long before that point!!
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I love comparison vids
Me too - they're great fun to make! :D
Sam why don't you do a series of challenges American locomotives VS British locomotives
Ooh good idea! I could definitely try that! :D
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