WILL I DROWN? Waders & A Life Jacket (Buoyancy Aid)
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2022
- On so many occasions, I’ve been told that I’m crazy or stupid for wearing my waders whilst out in the boat, even with the addition of a life jacket. I’d always been told that providing I wear a suitable life jacket I’d be ok should I fall into the water, but comments on social media made me doubt this. In an attempt to see what the reality was, I decided to do some tests using a friends swimming pool. Here’s what I found out.
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Right love the channel ,and interesting little Demo .
You are wearing a personal floatation device not a Self inflating Life jacket which will flip you over in the water if you Knock yourself unconscious 150 kn buyoncy seems to be the standard with CE rated life jackets .
Cold water shock ,age ,health issues ,time of year will all contribute to potential drowning incident .
Wading around in the margins ,fish photos ,clearing weed ,baiting up please wear a PFD for your safety .
600 people a year drown in the UK DO NOT BECOME stastic, ruining your family's life ,it is not worth it people .
I have carp fished for 43 years and used boats on numerous venues here and abroad ,run a syndicate if you go out in a boat Self inflating Life jacket that is checked each year .
No life jacket banned for life .
It takes seconds to drown and it is not like the films shouting and screaming you slip under the surface of the water while completely helpless trying to not inhale the water .
Horrible way to die as they all are .
My experience as a Fire Fighter, and Water safety champion for my fire rescue service ,specialist water technical rescue unit and working at the Big one show at Farnborough and trying to educate individuals and company's on the risks when on or by the side of lakes and rivers both here and abroad .
Any questions information happy to help if it helps save one soul it is worth it .
Many of you are probably too young to remember when Fox lost Keith Selleck, one of their Directors, when he fell out a boat during a work party at Savay . They could not get him back in the boat because of his waders. Another person , Clive Rigsby died in the same tragic accident.
The Coroner said they had drowned due to not only not being able to get back on the boat because of the extra weight of water trapped in the waders, but also because the rescuers could not pull them from the water.
Even if you are wearing a life jacket/buoyancy aid, you are still not getting back in a boat. This happened to a politician on, I think, Rutland Reservoir. He fell in with waders, his life jacket deployed, but the 100 yards swim to shore in cold water killed him. He was seen trying to get into the boat, but could not get more than his forearms up onto the gunwale.
Tragic.
Well done Elliott, proper eye opener and many thanks for taking the time to make and share this video.
Opened my eyes too!
Thanks Elliot for helping put peoples mind at rest. There have been awful tragedies carpers fully out of boats getting legs tangled in weed. The life jacket if the key so even if you banged your head falling you should be Ok.
I have watched demonstrations on wast flowing rivers where obviously waders get used and you are pretty likely to slip on slimy rocks. There the message was to lift your legs up as air then stays inside and you cannot be dragged down by currents or get trapped in weed. Let your legs be pulled along before you by the current and move your arms to bring yourself into the side with vegetation to grab onto.
But the waders themselves aren’t the hazard people thing they are.😊
Although it was easy enough to swim in waders, after 10 minutes with no jacket you’d start struggling. Definitely an eye opener 👍🏻🎣
Good on you Elliott! Hands up, I would not have predicted that result!
Really good thing to test and show people what to expect 👍
Awesome that Iv always wondered dude! Well done top work as always👌
Good vid fellas always wondered if i would sink, cheers
Can't be the only one watching this and holding my breath at the same time, surely lol
You are great, mate!
Considering the water in the waders is the same weight as the water outside the waders it should be neutral. If will not turn you into a boat anchor, but it can turn you into a sea anchor.
I think all of us have had that thought in the back of the mind and wondered what would happen if the waders filled up now we know 🤔 👍
Was very interesting
Chest waders can certainly help, when you go in bend your knees and use the trapped air. Thigh waders. Different situation totally. I learnt this when I was on a three year fishery course down at Sparsholt. We had to do drills in the local swimming pool, chesties and thigh waders. Thigh waders were scary as hell. Chest wades help you float. Try getting out of the pool though....
Word of advise if you life jacket has a crutch strap wear it and don’t cut it off
Great piece:)
Thank you! Cheers!
Very informative film Guys, useful information, tbh I thought you would be a stone at the bottom before the experiment
Just nice to no and know we do. Awesome thanks
I was actually guna try this experiment as I fell in to windermere off my kayak with waders and life jacket on and floated fine and I often had this argument with me mates who said id of drowned if i didn't have my life jacket on but i didn't think i would so cheers for the video you've saved me job, haha
Was it harder to get back in the kayak?
It's a bit of a myth that waders full of water will drag you down as the density of the water both inside and outside is the same, no extra weight at all. I used to do another of scuba diving on wrecks and have had a failure on one of my drysuits resulting in a total flood, no problems getting back to the surface just bloody hard work to get back onto the boat.
but yet wellies defo drag you down
@@lazycarper7925 How can water filled wellies on average 15 inches high possibly drag you down?
@@chrisplunkett2814 just trust me people have died from it, in fact when i was a lad a lad drowned from it and grabbed his mate strugling and killed them both
@@lazycarper7925 They (and others) almost certainly died because they were spooked by ridiculous urban myths like this.You CAN NOT die because your boots of any height or purpose fill up with water,the above video and many others here on UA-cam prove this.
People die in these situations because they are not trained in how to be safe in and around deep water and they panic when they fall in into it.It's the panic that takes away their ability to think rationally that kills them and not the water in their boots.
Many trout anglers wade with life jackets. If you lift your knees as soon as you can when fallen in it traps the air in your legs and will aid you in floating along with a life jacket that is
Good video 👍
Glad you enjoyed!
Interesting video and honestly I expected you to sink much more with just the waders on. I do think though it seemed after a short period of time, under 1 minute you struggled and put the jacket back on. Imagine being hundreds of yards off of the bank, possibly in the dark and just having waders on. Terrifying. In even moderate winds the boat would drift away quite quickly also. I think the take home here is if you are on a boat, wear a flotation device!
What make is your life jacket?
So much bs is talked about re waders and boats.
Any water in your waders weighs the same as the water outside so is neutral whilst you are in the water.
In fact they can be used as a buoyancy aid.
When studying at Sparsholt in the 80’s we were trained on falling in and had to jump in a pool wearing waders and in wellies.
When wearing waders simply ‘sit’ in the water with your knees bent. You will trap air below and above your knees.
The same is true of thigh waders, only you’ll trap less air so they won’t be as buoyant.
If in running water make sure your feet are pointing down stream so you don’t hit your head.
It’s actually very hard to get rid of all the air that’s trapped in waders, as you will see in this video when Elliot had to hold the waders open so even if you don’t know what you are doing they will be more of a help than a hindrance.
Wellies are much harder. You need to get them off under water, return to the surface and empty them, then hold them upside down under your armpits to act as buoyancy aids.
Obviously the waders are going to make getting out of the water harder, but you’ll still be alive.
Just being a geek and a little OCD but your not actually wearing a life jacket !! Your wearing a buoyancy aid !! Will keep you afloat but if your unconscious and face down you will drowned ! A life jacket will save your life if you are unconscious it keeps your head back out of the water 👍 sorry for being a geek your a star and love ya work 👏👏
This saves me a lot of typing 😂 couldn't have put it any better 👍
Fair comment. I didn’t know that, I’ll be honest!
Geek moment fully justified and no offence taken! :)
Your a star mate keep doing what your doing 👏
@@simongreening7113 edited the name of film just in case :)
Is that your OCD kicking in lol 👍
I still wouldn’t wear waders in a boat
On your own in the dark panic sets in
Still good demo
That’s totally fair! I o my wear them when I feel I have too!
They ain’t yellow strap though Elliot
And what happens if your on a massive lake where there is no one around and you come out of the boat I would not want to try swimming with waders on filled with water all waders are different if I was going out in a boat I would want just a life jacket on and some clothes on that won't be too heavy when wet
Had this argument with a mug the other day
i still wouldn't risk it - but a life jacket with waders is better than no life jacket at all
Try boat fishing in the winter etc without waders, I only wear them if I have to, but it’s good to know I stand a chance of survival should I fall in, AS LONG AS IM WEARING A LIFE JACKET!! 🙏🏻
I hope so...
I went in with neoprene waders, when filled they turned me upside down
Like I said, lots can differ. And was that with a life jacket on?
Are you still upside down?
Completely different in a proper at sea emergency, and if you are still conscious ? The sea is going to be a lot colder and energy zapping, and you would be more likely to become parted from your boat in a rough sea? If someone sees you go overboard you’ll be lucky but if you’re alone and nobody sees you it could be hours before anyone realised you’re not home yet? How long do you think you can tread water? Remember you’re legs would be working harder to move the weight of the water inside the waders, your life jacket should have a crouch strap? It’s there for a reason. Once you are exhausted you could easily slip out of your life jacket , taking all these things into account and you are fortunate to reach your boat will you have the strength to pull yourself onto the boat?
Erm he is a carp fisherman. It’s to check it is safe to fish in waders from a boat on freshwater lakes. He did say that at the start had you listened. And it is even safer using tighter neoprene waders where no so much water gets in and you stay warmer.
Should have tried it with those fome kind.
Should have tried to get back in the boat
Despite the outcome here in a warm shallow domestic swimming pool this is an incredibly dangerous and potentially life threatening situation. The variables are vastly different in a real time situation and would be condemned by any authority such as the Environment agency, RNLI, coastguard and RYA etc. Please seek some level of professional advice and training on the correct equipment and practices before taking to any boat if you are inexperienced. Safety is paramount over practicalities.
A point I made sure to stress in this video… basic test in a very much controlled and safe environment. Many factors could change the outcome.
@@cypographycarpfishing It was an extremely interesting experiment of a very contentious issue and I appreciate that I’m just reiterating your conclusions at the end of the video. My only concern is the influence on people that may have not watched it to the end or those that will only take what they want from the outcome through stubbornness or lack of basic safety training when on a boat. The bottom line is always be prepared for a worst case scenario such as unconsciousness, fatigue or hypothermia. There is definitely an audience for a trained professional to be invited to be a guest on a boat fishing content based video to discuss the safety issues concerned. It’s interesting and if it saves one life it would be worth it. Failing that there’s been numerous tragic deaths of carp anglers in the Uk on boats over the years that could counter any argument.
You will NOT sink with waders full of water as demonstrated.. but it’s still not a very good idea. As you’ll weigh a ton in air. So getting back into a boat or trying to get onto a jetty or steep bank will be very difficult.
Did you see me trying to get out of the pool? Very difficult
Surely it will be different in a lake or a river either undercurrent and how choppy it is just saying that’s all
Of course, and Like I said in the video, this is a very basic test, different day, real life situation, cold water, different waders etc and diff person it could be a very different story.
Try getting back in the boat in chest waders,
Did you see me try to get out the pool? Savage
Interesting but it doesn't properly cover a 'normal' scenario with several layers of clothing adding issues. It is clear from the film that should you not be conscious or very active (bang your head or temperature seizing your body) then you will drown with a buoyancy aid on as is worn in the film. You will stand a better chance of surviving with an actual life jacket which are designed to turn you over and keep your face out the water rather than a buoyancy vest which simply adds buoyancy to help counteract clothing weight.
Why take the risk of wearing waders in a boat?
Many will come away from watching this without looking or thinking any deeper into it and will presume that they will be fine.
I can assure you it hits home real hard when a friend of 40 years who was an accomplished boat user, falls out and drowns. It hits even harder when that happens in view of his son and his brother.
Whilst on this subject, most who like to think they are safe with their self inflating lifejackets aren't. The popular 150 Newton bottles will turn you over fairly quickly if you are of slight build. If you are let us say 'well formed' then it is going to do little. I forget what the weight per gas cylinder/life jacket size you should be using is, but I am sure a little asking around could put your mind at rest.
Also remember that these tests aren't carried out with fully winter clothed anglers. Buy the largest you can afford if you are likely to be out of quick help range from others.
Love your work, but I had to comment upon this one which fell close to my heart.
Hi Shaun.
Appreciate the comment, and with regard to your comment, I made sure to say this in the film. There are many variables that could effect or change the outcome of this test. I did it in a warm and controlled environment, no wind, no cold, my waders, my buoyancy aid.. but the point was simply to show that despite what everyone says to me, the danger is not as plain as it seems. Falling in in waders does not kill you alone in most cases.
People will always wear waders and a life jacket, as boat fishing necessitates the combination during the colder months. I will redo this video in winter, with more layers on and in cold water.
Ideal situation is always, don’t wear waders on a boat, make sure you have the correct life jacket:buoyancy aid on and you’ve secured it properly, and be careful.
This was a simple test to put my mind at rest, and it has.
I’ve never been a fan of the the “gas cannister” jackets. Never worn properly and too easy to go wrong I think.
If your by yourself how do you get back in the boat, you could barely get out of the pool. If you had to pull yourself back up into the inflatable or a kayak you would be in trouble. Just wear a bib and a pair of rubber fishing boots.
Thanks for this, I'm going to try and get a rule change on my club water, we really need the use of a boat, fish are forever getting stuck in weed. The bailiff should change his mind once he see how safe you are with a life jacket!
thing is they tend to call them buoyancy aids now not life jackets because they dont guarantee to save lives.
A buoyancy aid is like a body warmer design, and will keep you afloat. But if you fall in unconscious face down, you will stay floating face down. A life jacket in same situation, is designed to flip you onto your back supporting back of head and keeping it out of water.
You can buy both
Id take this video down if i was you if someone sees your video an trys it out in the lake with a different set of waders an life jacket you vould be to blame its not even worth getting involved in this id take it down this could come back on you guys