The Megaproject That Will Transform European Travel
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Welcome to another exciting episode where we delve into the world of engineering marvels! Today, we take a closer look at the Fehmarnbelt Tunnel, a groundbreaking megaproject that is set to reshape the future of European travel. The Fehmarnbelt Tunnel, which is currently in the works, will serve as a megastructure connecting Germany and Denmark, specifically, the Danish island of Lolland, and the German island of Fehmarn.
As part of the European Union's Trans-European Transport Network, the Fehmarnbelt Fixed Link is set to revolutionize connectivity between central Europe and Scandinavia. Upon completion, this impressive feat of engineering will significantly reduce travel time between Copenhagen, Denmark, and Hamburg, Germany. Not only will this allow for smoother transport of goods, but it will also make traveling for leisure and work more efficient and enjoyable.
In this video, we will explore the various aspects of this ambitious engineering undertaking, from planning and design to the advanced technologies employed in constructing the Fehmarnbelt tunnel. We will also discuss the environmental and economic implications of this transformative project and how it will affect the surrounding regions.
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when the tunnel is finished, a high-voltage line between Denmark and Germany can also be installed there. Just like in the Channel Tunnel between Dover and Calais. The electricity link between France and England is in economic success. A power link between Germany and Scandinavia will strengthen the European power grid.
You are right so far that the high voltage connection is also important, but it is a different thing, which is independent of the tunnel.
Germany is already connected to Norway via High Voltage Direct Current cables through the North Sea, called "Nord Link". So a tunnel may be nice to have, like the Channel Tunnel to the UK, but it isn't necessary in order to connect power grids.
There is allready a direct link via the Fyn island !
The Fehmarn is just 150-200 km shorter ..
It will create extra capacity for passenger ánd cargo rail !
@@lws7394it will allow to bypass the Jutland peninsula entirely
There alreddy are a large number of high voltage between nordic countries and northern europe.
And no, more cables don´t strengthen the european grid, it only strengthened the german grid, every one else grid is made worse.
This tunnel makes much more sense than all the skyscrapers of more then 200 meters height.
Very good video!
you are comparing apples to oranges but I agree that the tunnel is great
The huge diversion to get over the bridge to vis Denmark mainland from Germany 🇩🇪 boarder was always weather depending so having a tunnel is a huge advantage
This project should’ve had 4 rail tracks instead of roads, with speeds of 250km/h instead of 200, trains operators should pay 0 in fares for using the tunnel, with all the cars paying double when going the long way around, forcing people to take the train instead of flying or driving. This project had so much potential, but the car centric politicians ruined it.
@@ncard00 The political compromise for these kinds of projects in Denmark are ALWAYS a combined road/train solution. To get it started at all. The left leaning Parties are in favour of public transport, and the Liberal and conservative Parties favour the car/road solution. So the compromise is BOTH, because both "sides" need to be on board with it to even get it started. And that is also why these projects are widely supported over time, even when the Government changes.
@@ncard00You are crazy, if you think there should be no road tunnel. It
would be the biggest flop of tunneling, in modern history.
8:30 No, the Öresund Bridge runs west to east with the wind current, a bridge between Denmark and Germany would run from south to north. Furthermore, they didn't mention the second tunnel between mainland Germany and the German island of Fehmarn
It is actually several years ago trains became sailed across, as they have gone by Storebælt Bridge now for years! But it is a huge detour for a southern Sealander, though for the many years I drove to Belgium several times a year, I also used the bridge, as it is always there, when needed!!! And during summer you may wait for hours to enter the ferry, sometimes with cars also out on the Motorway (Before entering the port), in line and - waiting, waiting, waiting!
When the Tunnel has been finished, the time to - optimally arrive at the port before the ferry sails (for an hour) is now the time needed to pass the Fehmarn Belt! And then traffic won't be in huge groups leaving the ferry, but as they come from the other end! Not so much noise and tight traffic any more!
And the prices may, as on the Storebælt Bridge, be at a level where it is reasonable to take a trip over for most people, without having to "buy a ferry" for a crossing, without any competition! I do understand why Scanlines have fought so hard not to loose their Monopoly!
" I do understand why Scanlines have fought so hard not to loose their Monopoly!"
Its not exactly fair when you compeat with something that is largely payed by the government, even if its officially a private company. With out government guaranteed low interest loans there would not be a chance of anything like this ever being built.
@@matsv201 All the roads and bridges I drive on are mostly paid for by from our taxes, by the Government and are free with a few exceptions. Of course a ferry line is costly to operate, but I find it sad that prices go up at once - really a lot (And it strangely becomes the same price for the very different lines?), when the - only competing, private Line gives up! For many years I drove to Belgium several times a year, and the last years I always took the much longer road through Jutland, driving a diesel car and also because a bridge is always there to use, when I needed it and also out of most traffic hours, as I mostly sailed during evenings and nights.
And the last private line was prevented from operating on the most profitable line from Rødby and could only sail Gedser - Rostock! And they had a much more Service minded way of doing business, according to my opinion.
One more thing on the German side:
Remember, the Fehmarnbelt-Connection is one thing - but you need the continuation on both sides! Make the current dead-end traffic ways into major thorouhfares.
The rail- and motorways have to be upgraded.
This will bring more traffic onto them, just as is intended!
Some residents along the German side of the route are fighting tooth and nail against upgrading the railway and the autobahn.
To me, they are spoiled brats who just care for themselves with that NIMBY attitude ("not in my backyard") not caring for the larger benefit of Europe.
The German connection will thus take a longer time to complete.
I also believe that in the end the Fehmarnbelt (just the underwater link) financing happens without direct German money: Denmark and the EU shoulder this.
In return, Denmark gets to keep 100% road and rail toll money, which will be collected from all motorists and railway companies using that tunnel.
To my knowledge, this is the agreement the involved parties made
As long as the project works that way & has full financial support - why not?
the same situation is happening in Rosenheim in Bavaria where the rail corridor is supposed to be widened to allow better acces for the Brenner Basetunnel. People there just protest against it
@@breznknedlthis is such a nonsense because the people from Rosenheim really like to make a trip to Italy, especially the Gardasee. There are only 3 major routes from Germany south across the Alps: Gotthard Tunnel in the West, Brenner in the South and Tauern passage in the East. Of course you can drive over mountain passes, but this will cost you a lot of extra time and in the winter you might fail to cross.
Compensation must be given for decreasing property values. Other than that I agree
@@rupertschwarz5477 To me it seems highly unlikely Rosenhein residents even consider Gotthard
Waiting for the next tunnel to connect the all the baltic states. Via Finland and Estonia.
About your comment on banned flights: The Netherlands has banned a lot of short-distance commercial flights between airports, such as Eindhoven to Amsterdam, meaning you can no longer fly budget to Eindhoven and then Asia or the US from Amsterdam without a train in between (a good thing imo) not to mention that the train would probably be faster anyways
I knew someone that flew from Eindhoven to Amsterdam. I tought it was just so idiotic. Like there is a train that takes just over an hour that goes from Eindhoven and Helmond straight to Schiphol.
@@Lunavii_Cellest yet it is extremely expensive and overpriced and Dutch trains are unreliable too...
3:35 Thx for add the ferry of my hometown Friedrichshafen🇩🇪 here. Greetings from the South of 🇩🇪
The ferry shown at 3:35 is actually from Lake Constance, not from the Fehmarnbelt. Also, the route shown at 3:24 is incorrect. The railway from the Fehmarnbelt will go to Lübeck, not to Kiel.
Funny, from 3:32, this small ferry is a ferry between Friedrichshafen (Germany) and Romanshorn (Switzerland) on Lake Constance. It isn`t a Ferry at the Baltic Sea.
3:15 Isn't it a little exaggerated to call a five-hour detour "years of hardship"?
3:30 That is a boat on Lake Constance though, not a Fehmarnbelt ferry.
3:50 This is actually wrong. The freight trains have not taken the ferry since 1996. The passenger trains stopped doing so in 2021.
8:00 Okay, a 45-minute crossing is an "arduous endeavour". I get it now. The script was just written by a drama queen. I'll stop commenting now.
And the train ferry is the one between Sicily and Italy
3:15 For years people have had to take a five-hour detour. A single trip is not years but many trips over thouse years have had to make the journey.
I'm criticizing the rhetoric of the video, not the tunnel. I'm all for the tunnel.
A good and sensible plan. Saw it myself from the ferry a few weeks ago. I just hope the German government also considers a corresponding connection to the autobahn on the mainland. Especially the Fehmarn Bridge. The route is already at its limit.
Hellooooo Denmark. We are cooooming. Greetings from Germany 👻 Ha ha ha, just kidding. This time we're friendly. Really looking forward to this. I think it will be very cool to be able to visit our neighbor so easily. ❤️🇩🇰
Actually, _the Vikings_ are coming (again!), as they are the ones building the tunnel. We are just awaiting them on our shores in fear, hehe.
@@hape3862 😂
Regarding my questionable experiences with Germans dominant and intolerant behaviour as tourists, I don't find your humour funny! Just quit that joke, as well as the saddening mindset behind it!
Bon Voyage
@@OmmerSyssel oh sh.. up where’s your homour
It will be excellent that a second oresund crossing go constructed as like this tunnel between helsingborg qnd helsingor
makes me think of building the oosterscheldekering zeeland back in the 80s
At 2:09: Correctly spelled EDINBURGH
meanwhile in brexshit wonderland they want to brick up the channel tunnel
Nice, after shooting their own both feet, they'll surely continue to cut off their arms and head as well.
i dont think anybody has actually suggested doing that.
@@edf6607 i bet someone has 😃
They’re actually talking about ways to increase traffic through the tunnel, not shut it down
It will be located just 1hr20 mints fra my house in DK, it will make a lot easier for us to reach Germany by land!
nice vid man keep up the good work!
Incidently I live near a 6 km tunnel, installed almost 25 years ago. They forgot the tunnel for trains though. And given that we're in the Netherlands there's no tunnel for bicycles either, which is slightly ludicrous now that there are so much e-bikes. I mean, it's just 6 km. Before this we needed to take a ship to the other side. Effectively traveling times haven't changed much with public transport, except towards the centre of our main town - since the road is so much layed towards two other big towns including the capital of my province, instead of towards the rest of the country. 12:40 You forget trains move milllions of European people daily. Since this will make the trainride to Denmark 160 km shorter, many will take the train as well!
Lol, there are no see sick people in Scandinavia. The ferry is the only thing I'll miss, but appreciate the time it will save.
The company building the project investigated the possible environmental impact of their building and found no real risk. Well, nothing to worry about there then!
The company is state owned so there are a ot of information laws they have to follow, this means they have to make environmental data every day and those data have to be public immediatly so the owners (the citizens) can keep checking up on their investment.
Whilst I think this is a very clever idea and will benefit the area and countries concerened a lot I take on board that the sea bed is very soft in that area. I just wonder what would happen to this modular design if the sea bed sinks underneath it in the future? Will the connecting points for all the modules be strong enough to hold everything together in a unbending straight line?
This is the same method that BART pioneered in the San Francisco bay area in the 1970s. This is a major earthquake prone area. The sections have some compliance built in and often have been cleared for safe continued operation quicker after earthquakes then other options such as bridges. Except this is being built 50 years later with even better technology and much more practice and experience in doing so.
The sea bed is sandy there, the sinking would be uniform. So the tunnel would just become a few cm deeper under sea level. This place is not prone to fractures and earthquakes.
Also I don't 100% know how the segments are connected together, but I suspect steel tendons and the huge gaskets made of rubber are designed to flex a fair bit.
This looks promising.
Dubai Mumbai bullet train ( Via Karachi, Iran) underground tunnel in Strait of Hormuz like London Paris corridor
may a similar tunnel be applicable at the Messina's streat?
too deep. Bridge is the only real option; but these are the Italians/Sicilians we are talking about. Having lived in Naples 1987-1991 I can promise you the heat death of the universe has a higher speed process than this situation.
Extremely interesting :) I want it, I love it.
sounds like a promising project.. I haven't really travelled anywhere in the world except my own country but, won't this tunnel be prone to flooding? Well, if the area is prone that is. LOL. I am overthinking again!
There is video of month old Chinese submerged tunnel leaking,,,,,,, but Danes are a little bit better builders, so they will probably be fine.
It's like a plane is prone to crash. Risk is never zero, but acceptable. The holland tunnel only crashed in "daylight".
@@pliashmuldba oh that makes sense
Any tunnel is prone to flooding, not only this one! The (English) Channel Tunnel hasn't done too badly!
The metro line M4 in Paris used the immersed and embedded sections technique for crossing the river on both sides of the island.
It's been doing fine since 1905-1910, lying embedded in the very soft, squishy marshy river bed.
So marshy that they had to freeze the South bank down to minus 25°C to be able to dig the soil without it subsiding.
If a 115+ year old immersed tunnel made with turn of the century technology in marshy ground can still function today without leaks, then I wouldn't worry too much about an immersed tunnel created with 21st century techniques.
My only concerns about this project are that there's only one pair of railway tracks. Sadly they did not forget putting 2 dual lane roads... which is the other concern : cars and trucks.
They should have put at least an extra pair of railway tracks and banned trucks / lorries from driving through the tunnel on the road.
Like France, Germany has its rail network saturated to the brim and putting at least a second pair of tracks would have been a great incentive to increase Germany's railway capacity.
Virtually anything that can reduce or even suppress vehicles on roads is a good thing.
They could have done a freight transfer terminal system, like with the Channel Tunnel. With freight train shuttles crossing the tunnel carrying trucks, in between the usual freight trains.
The extra rail tracks would have been great either way to separate passenger and freight traffic, thus allowing higher speeds for passenger trains and better overall capacity.
With only one pair of tracks, passenger trains will have to run slower and separation between trains with different speeds will be much longer, reducing capacity.
Private vehicles and trucks are the most dangerous vehicles in tunnels, especially subaquatic ones. Of course the problem is due to the fact that humans are driving and not the vehicle type per se.
When the Channel Tunnel was initially studied, the road tunnel idea was quickly dismissed as way too dangerous because drivers would be prone to panic, stupid behavior and your garden variety traffic mayhem : speeding, reckless driving, stopping where they should not, crashing, etc.
And the problem with this immersed tunnel system is that if there's a major accident in one road tunnel leading to fire, it could weaken or ruin the whole tunnel system as they are all in the same blocks.
Contrary for example to the Channel Tunnel, which is in fact 3 different tunnels, 2 main and a service one, each dug separately, with several meters of earth between them. Even though they are connected, a catastrophic event in one only weakens one tunnel structure, not the others.
I hope and expect that they have planned a very efficient and failproof fire suppression system for the Fehmarn tunnel.
Anyway, I also hope the toll fare for road vehicles will be expensive but very cheap for passenger and freight trains.
I may be stupid but I was under the impression that Denmark and Germany shared a land border, so what is the need of this tunnel?
Have a look at Google maps and you'd understand
Going through Fyn and Jylland adds significant travel time for no good reason, and you have to pay the bridge toll over Storebælt anyway. Tunnel provides a straight path between the Danish and German capitals basically, without having to take a massive detour.
In June- August 1988, I was a Gastprofessor at TU Berlin, and rented a Golf for the weekend twice, one time we went to Denmark via Puttgarten and the ferry, which was OK although slow. On the way back we took another ferry, inside Denmark, and that was even slower because our ferry was full and we had to wait for the next one. This project is not too expensive, and should produce lots of benefits, including maybe an increase in the population of the Scandinavian countries, most of which are very sparsely populated, and relieve W Europe, which is too densely populated.
Nonononono! Please stay away from the pristine, sparselty populated Scandinavian region, and enjoy the metropolitan life in other parts. We like to have some space around us. ;)
The technology sounds simple and interesting. Probably Russia-Sakhalin-Japan route will be equipped with tonnels like this, obviously not in our generation, but in next probably
Physically possible maybe, but politically it won’t happen
I hope Japan retakes it's islands and then build a tunnel. Who tf would want a connection with Russia? Nothing good comes from that.
@@janeisklar3923Kurils are not a part of this project.
@user-ft9ul5ul5v i am glad you know what islands I mean.
But man, you seem to be a very smart person. There will be no bridge between Russia and Japan. You know it. I really hope Russia can become a great democracy one day and the we could be great allies with infrastructure from Portugal Alltwen way through Russia to Japan.
@@janeisklar3923 We are already a democracy. You just want some land, more and more and more. Calm down. All Russian people will be united, only in that way Russia can be safe to open before west, and even that is not needed. I think it will be the other way around - Japan will shake off its dependency on sleepy dumb USA and will come to us and to China.
i think that this tunnel is cutting
not such big difference over the distance italy - sweden . it makes a difference for berlin - copenhagen ....
It’s part of a larger series of projects, including major tunnels through the Alps and capacity increases on the routes between them
The project stands for shorter route to genuine danish hot dogs 😊
There needs to be some agreement as to precisely what a "billion" is.
11:00 Low Cost Carriers: Is it though?
You need to do some better research on Your subjects!!
First this line have been a heavy trafficked and the traffic have steadily increased on the line to Germany since the opening of Reodby Havn (Roedby Harbour) to Puttgarden 14. maj 1963!!
Until June 1997 this was the mainline for transit freight from Norway and Sweden and freight for Sjaelland from Southern countries!
The biggest freight trains that runs in Europe (besides of the "Jumbos" in Switzerland over Lötschberg) was running through this line from Copenhagen, and there are the trucks from Germany and the South of Europe coming this way too!!
All this ended in 1997 with the opening of the connection to Fyn (Fuen)!!!
So freight was sailed from Denmark to Germany and the other way from the beginning of this connection!
It was called "the bird flight connection" or die Vogelfluglinie as the the route birds go when flying south in the Winter!!
Before Storebaelt was opened there were ferries sailing there too! Remember Denmark is a country of islands!!!
Kind regards the Danish Viking
Has it started yet?
YES!
👍😃...in my lifetime i hope i can see a highway connecting West Malaysia (Peninsular) with East Malaysia (Sarawak & Sabah) in Borneo island. Perhaps combinations of bridges connecting small islands and undersea tunnels from both sides connecting each other. 🇲🇾 "Malaysia Boleh" 👍😃
500+ km under sea might be a bit too much to ask. The longest railway tunnel is 57 km long. Which is in the order of magnitude of the distance between Malaysia and Indonesia. Depending on geology I could see an unbroken train network from Bangkok to Surabaya, with two mega project tunnels on the way.
Understandable, but is that not in risky territory regarding earth quakes and such? Denmark and this Fehmarn Tunnel is nowhere near any risky subduction zones or the likes.
@@k7u5r8t4 😅...am i asking too much ??
I wish I was 25-30 yrs younger so I could participate in this project... 🤷
ITalian PM Meloni also wants a bridge to link Italy with underdeveloped Sicily, but there is lots of opposition due to its high cost. Still, it should be very beneficial in the long run if it helps advance the development of Sicily.
In my humble opinion, a tunnel like the Fehmarnbelt Tunnel would be a solution to link Sicily and Italian peninsula miles better than a bridge. Why not?
@@angelograssi5697the Italian mob is in the bridge building business, not the tunnel building business? I think there's your answer.
and on top of all that Denmark will bee left with one of the biggest drey docks in Europa if they are just a little bit smart
It's not "Oresund", as you repeatedly say, it's either "Øresund" or "Öresund". Both your spelling and your pronunciation are wrong.
Europe just keeps showing how to build infrastructure.
Everything is so broad "European travel" Europe is a continent not one homogeneous thing. this is a huge benefit Sajælland, where they already have 2 other major water crossings.
To Australians, Europe is viewed as a single entity made up of multiple small countries that essentially appear similar to Australian States. It is very common for Australians to visit multiple European countries on a single trip. When talking to their friends, they simply will say they are travelling around Europe. They don't really mention the countries themselves unless someone wants more details of their trip.
@@nickhiscock8948 If you are covering multiple parts of Europe in one vacation & I can sort of understand being from Australia where its probably a very long flight, idk how much flights would be but i can fly to Dublin & Copenhagen from O'Hare for less than $500 round trip, we are also much closer in geography but it still doesn't matter where you live, we still have access to books and the internet where you can gain knowledge of the different geographic regions of Europe, Scandinavia, the Baltics, British Isles, Central Europe, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, European part of Turkey, European part of Russia, etc.
European travel makes perfect sense to use as a descriptor here. It's a project of the EU. It's supposed to strengthen international trade.
@@flytrapYTP if its for trade I can understand but its not anything that is going to directly benefit anyone, its just a alternative to a existing crossing that is located slightly to the east. but for regular people traveling by car or train this would only benefit people in the immediate regions on each ends of the crossing.
How r u??. yo! awesome , 😮
I thought that cutting emissions was job one in Europe so you build this tunnel so more folks will drive and not take the train so that means traffic jams f there's an accident and now either side of the tunnel with all the his traffic going back and forth did anyone think of grid lock and parking around shop when I was I Germany parking tight
What if this, what if that
Of course there's possibility of an accident, since when is that a reason to not build? What makes you so obsessed with one hour of traffic going "back and forth"?
City centers are completely different story than connections between countries, just think about it that way
There's a high speed rail line inside the tunnel...
None of the other tunnels and bridges in Denmark cause any noticeable gridlock, accident or not. About the worst that happen is that they shut down bridges for stormy days, but that weather also keep the ferries docked anyway, so no change there.
The tunnel is a railway and road tunnel, so it encourages train travel if anything...
Please think for half a second before talking.
See china bohai tunnel projects
Some cities on Lolland will surely die out 😢
Since there is no single City in that backwards orientated area, there shouldn't be any issues ... 🤷🏼😉
Are you perhaps concerned about local towns or even villages?
Where did you get that weird idea? Cities on Lolland were already shriveling for many years. Higher chances that Lolland will get an economic lift due to being well-connected both north and south. And I'm not even talking about the business opportunities during construction. With the freeway already being there, it is not some sort of plowing new routes through the landscape.
Lolland is one of the worst off regions of Denmark already, things can basically only get better for the region from this, it could bring economic stimulus from travelers passing through from mainland Europe, or no one could stop and just speed on by and nothing at all would change for the economically depressed and suffering Lolland region.
Past experience shows that travel corridors create communities alongside them, place a train station in an cheap area with low development and watch it get developed swiftly as it provides a new cheap alternative to the already developed nearby regions. In fact this is the whole basis for the development and build up of Copenhagen and many other major cities and metropolitan areas.
How many tanks can be moved per hour?
As few as your enemy allows before bombing the entrances and exits.
I guess 1 per second is doable with plenty of headway between trailers, so... 3600. Not sure if train tracks have wide enough clearance, but let's allow for 1000 small tanks per hour on trains as well... That's peacetime calculus. As someone said above, this is not 20th century. State of the art (guided missiles, drones, air superiority fighters) means any major infrastructure will be wiped and useless soon after a real war breaks out.
Rotterdam - London
Denmark and Germany? Aren't they already connected by land?
Denmark is an archipelago basically, most of its population lives on islands. The Danish-German land border is out of the way of travel for where most Germans and Danes want to go when they cross the border. Not to mention that the tunnel also will provide easy access between continental Europe and Sweden as well.
Reality isn't a video game and land borders can be more hassle than they are worth if they are too out of the way. Just like no Norwegians are going to be traveling to Russia or vice versa via the Norwegian-Russian land border just because its there, they are going to be flying or sailing instead.
But the German Railway System and the DB itself is a absolut Mess!
Please make vadio on Soviet
iranrud Project (Canal between persian gulf caspian sea). In future possibilities
Many kind of life form can stay in site tunnel .
Je vois surtout une dévastation de terrains et la possibilité pour les maffizs et illegaux à passer les frontières plus facilement ... et surtout ne dites pas que vous le faites pour le bonheur des générations suivantes.... vous leur enlevez les choix réels
Oh yes, illegal immigrants will definitely favor the easy to police tunnel link over much easier to cross land border full of tiny back road crossings.
Adding options for travel = taking away choice.
You must live in bizarro-world if any of that makes sense to you.
Funny how there is no counter argument against the social concerns. Also, a study on environmental impact by the company responsible for the project may not be unbias. Still looks like a cool project tho.
The thing is there hasn't been a solid counterargument since the pros outweigh the cons.
Another thing to consider when talking about who funded the study is, who else would ever fund the study? Though admittedly it would have better optics to have an independent group conduct the study
The company is state owned (the danish citizens own it) so there are a lot of information laws they have to follow, this means they have to make environmental data every day and those data have to be made public immediatly so the owners (the citizens) can keep checking up on their investment.
If they harm the environment more than allowed in the deal I'm sure intrest groups will speak up.
So the company commissioned to build the structure says "hey, no eco impact." And everyone says ok. Yeah... that always turns out well...
Just if youtube commenters would spend their energy proportionally where it's due, more on environmental impact of things like coal mines, and less on tunnels whose sites literally are covered over and left for wildlife to reinhabit.
@@u1zha exactly
The company is state owned (the danish citizens own it) so there are a lot of information laws they have to follow, this means they have to make environmental data every day and those data have to be made public immediatly so the owners (the citizens) can keep checking up on their investment.
If they harm the environment more than allowed in the deal I'm sure intrest groups will speak up.
What a big lie. Food prices will not go down here in scandinavia due to the tunnel. Only the profit will grow for the grocery stores and importers of food...
Let's never improve anything ever because things might not be perfect afterwards.
Let me ask you a simple question. If an item costs 5 units of currency to make, 5 to transport and the distributor takes a 10 unit cut for profit, is that item more or less likely to be reduced in price from 20 units than an item which costs 5 units to make, 1 to transport and still has a distributor intending to have at least a 50% profit margin?
One of those scenarios now has a healthy 70% margin available for competition, the other still only have 50%, thus companies wanting 50% margins can move in and undercut the existing distributors, making it possible to bring down costs long term. The fact that initially no price reduction happens does not mean that options for competition did not increase, other factors may see this competition not happen, but that is something you solve elsewhere. Price reductions come from competitive pressure stemming from companies taking advantage of profit margins increasing, not as a direct cause of profit margin increase.
How will this tunnel "revolutionize" european travel? What is that even supposed to mean?
It will shorten the travel time from hours to maybe 10min and will connect countries that lay on opposite sides of the baltic sea.
@@janeisklar3923 Not sure how this is a "revolution of european travel". Sounds like an advertisement to me.
@@maxloewe9162 idk man. If it doesn't fit in your definition of revolution, then just see it as a mega project that will break multiple records while using new technology.
@@janeisklar3923 Let's just say I'm pretty sure a lot of people and travel in Europe will be totally unaffected by this.
Shame that they did not added bike path, another short sight.
Build a bike path in a tunnel that long?? No thanks
Take it with you on the train
You are never going to ride your bike 18 miles through the fucking tunnel... and back 😂
@@ButterfatFarms Kilometers, not miles!
@@ruhri0411 yes, km
a tunnel should be built Spain Morocco so that Europe would be connected with Africa and people could go to Africa and back by car
Do you really think Europe wants a tunnel with Africa? Be honest. Definitely not. A bare minimum would be for Morocco to be a stable democracy with the rule of law and a proper economy. The entire continent of Africa lacks that.
... Said the Nigerian. 😂
Depth is about 800m Gibraltar 😂
no
@@jh5klNo? Maybe they could save half the cost and just build a one lane tunnel that goes from Africa to Europe? They're not going to be going back anyway. 😂
The future is in getting the information of your destination to your home. Better headset and sensory technology or a 3D experience room that will hopefully soon take virtual experiences ever closer to the real thing. Whether it's visiting Holiday spots or taking part in that international board meeting, family gathering or trade fair you were going to travel to. It will be better, carbon-emissions-wise, when we will be able to stay at home and just enter these places via our sorta-Holodeck.
Of course traveling will always be there, but once it will be so much more comfortable and cheap to use your 3D room/headset, the tolerance for staying in a vehicle for hours on end will reduce drastically. Foods and goods will still have to be transported (even though many, at least of the latter, will be downloaded and 3D printed at some point) so a need for physical transport will always be there.
Still, the real future lies not in reducing travel times, but in minimising travel itself, in getting data to do the traveling for us.
You can’t get your meals or your Amazon packages through VR
I mean yeah, in the future we can can make it so humans don't need to sleep through gene engineering or smth like that. Doesn't mean we don't need to sleep now just because in the future we might not have to.
I don't like the car lanes. in that tunnel.
Why?
You want a channel tunnel type system where cars are loaded onto train cars instead, or you just think the world can magically make do without cars and trucks completely?
Reality is that train travel and goods delivery by train are by far the most efficient, but you need last mile transport of goods and people regardless and trains cannot provide that because you lose the efficiency of trains if they have to stop every few seconds or need to be loaded and unloaded constantly.
Some trips are best made with cars and trucks, even if most are best served by trains and cars and trucks will need to cross here, so if they weren't given road lanes they would just need to be put on trains instead, costing a lot of time as well as money for facilities capable of that. Only reason that solution made sense for the channel tunnel was due to the economics of that project.
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Actually i am hugely disappointed that they build car lanes. The car should really get less space in our world. But ey nothing is perfect. I do hope they ask crazy amount of toll for it, so people will take the train instead.
Why do you mind cars?
@@Hermania3000 Seriously? Because they pollute, require expensive roads that destroy landscapes, take tons of space for usually one tiny human being sitting in it etc. etc. Watch any traffic congestion in any large city and you have your answer why cars are a "solution" that doesn't scale. If everyone drives in a car, nobody drives anymore, as everyone will be standing in a traffic jam... or our cities will be made unlivable to 10-lane roads.
One single train filled with people can replace several hundred cars on the road. The OG commenter is 100% right, the world needs less cars, not more.
@@bellissimo4520 By the time this tunnel is ready, people will drive environmental friendly cars. The tunnel is under the sea, meaning no destroyed landscape. And I don't think there will be any congestion in it.
Or do what they did for the Channel Tunnel. Load the cars and trucks onto shuttle trains and run them through the tunnel. Much safer.
Why they wasted my money on building 4 lanes for cars? This is beyond stupid. Only rail should be there. Cheaper, hudndreds times more passengers and cargo per hour.
Insane.
Rails alone is a dumb idea, sorry
The tunnel has good rail capacity, roads will always be needed for everything else.
Do you have a train station in your living room?
Does your local grocery store have a train station at their goods delivery bay?
How do you intend to transport tons of goods efficiently between points not directly serviced by trains?
Fact is while trains are massively more efficient than cars and trucks, they are limited by tracks and train stations by their very nature. They also need a certain amount of goods going from point A to B to make a train worth it, you don't send a train to carry a package of 5 kg because the train will be massively more expensive and polluting than a simple car over the same distance. Sometimes there isn't enough scale to take advantage of the efficiencies of scale.
Some freight and transport will never make sense via train, because the added overhead of loading onto a train and unloading a train + last kilometer transport at both ends of the train trip end up being less efficient than just using a truck or car the entire way.
If you don't add a roadway to the tunnel you either need inefficient car trains like the channel tunnel anyway, or you still relegate a lot of traffic to take the long way around through Fyn and Jylland. You actually increase cost and reduce efficiency by acting like trains are all you need.
It's simply a typical bad decision for the climate, that they didn't begin with the railway. Why?
The road and rail tunnels are being built at the same time
I'm sure you as an internet expert has the answer
@@Roger_Gustafsson Given that the road tunnels and rail tunnels are being cast as parts of the same tunnel units, yes, I think so. Kind of hard to build one without the other that way
@@andrewreynolds4949 I was answering the first guy. TorbenLarsen. Everything is bad. Even farmers. Still need to eat though...
@@Roger_Gustafsson Depends on your definition of "bad" I guess
this would be five times the price in the us lol
The company is state owned so the government wants to keep costs low... In USA you don't belive in state owned companies, for some reason.
@matthewluck9077 Just to clarify, the company that oversees and controls the project is state owned. The actual building of the Tunnel etc, is done by private companies from multiple countries. The biggest difference between this and USA is the level of CORRUPTION in the US.
That tunnel necessary to been through consequences of nuclear war I guess
The longer humanity keeps investing in technology & infrastructure (a.k.a. "outer" economical development) instead of inner (spiritual) dev. the harder the ecological crash that we programmed and keep on programming(!) will be.
You've mistaken us for someone who cares. 😂
@@ButterfatFarms That does not matter.
@@akbk2505 your opinion does not matter.
Not really sure what you mean by spiritual development. Are you talking about your invisible friend in the sky?
@@larspeterthomsen9798 Talking about something you apparently have no clue about. But before Galilei the globe was flat as well! ;)
I dont like that they also builded car Lanes
Me neither but I guess otherwise people would still take the longer car route and emit more Co2 like that.
Trains alone won't be enough.
Trains have limitations, refusing to admit that does not help to cut down emissions. You need scale to take advantage of efficiencies of scale, and some cargo and point to point transport just doesn't have enough scale to bypass motor vehicles. Before even considering the overhead of "last kilometer" transport costs.
Simple thought experiment for you:
Tunnel is 18 km long, let's assume for this scenario that we have a train station directly at either end of the tunnel.
Let's then imagine that I need irregular back and forth transport for a small amount of goods or people from a point 10 km from the nearest train station servicing trains crossing the tunnel on one end to a point also 10 km from the other station on the other end.
I can either take the trip 38 km by car in total each way. Or I can ship by car 10 km to the station with a 10 km return trip, and then 10 km + 10 km return trip on the opposite for a total of 40 km of car travel + 18 km of train travel, since I cannot let the car sit at the train stations at either end due to the irregular nature of the transport situation, they need to return to their point of origin.
Reality is trains do not directly service all locations, and forcing their use can create extra overhead in many scenarios. We need to encourage train use when it makes sense, but also keep in mind that they are not a solution to all situations. Mass transit is great, but it requires scale to to work and sometimes there aren't enough goods or passengers along a specific travel route to make mass transit worth using, even partially.
I wouldn’t want to be down in the tunnel when an electric car catches fire, because you can’t put those fires out. They create their own oxygen. Look at these ships that are catching on fire from EV’s that catch fire. The fire suppression systems have no effect.
It's not like humanity is building its first tunnel. I would be more scared of the other older tunnels than this top modern one that will take EV fires specifically into account.
They didn't build it for you. 😂
Fire suppression on EV's is different. It requires a huge fire blanket. Once the whole thing has cooled down it's not prone to reignite. Does take time though.
There's a service tunnel, Scandinavian level safety measures if you will. If an electric car or a dangerous goods truck catches fire, you stop and walk to the service tunnel to be safe from fumes.
Yeah you forgot to think about trucks, now didn't you? So worried about electric cars because your average car forum goes nuts about them day in day out?
Vehicles that are powered by combustion engines must NEVER be allowed to use this tunnel otherwise there will be a severe health risk to all users of the tunnel and raise safety issues.
You worry too much
Simply not true, spend sometime driving around Switzerland and you will see that very long tunnels are no big deal
A tunnel of this length must be intensively ventilated anyway. The tunnel will certainly still be in operation in 2100, by the time it opens the proportion of electrically powered cars will have increased significantly and at some point in the middle of this century internal combustion vehicles will be an absolute rarity.
You didn't even consider the existence of other long tunnels elsewhere in the world? Google their lengths? Strong commenting mindset
Will give all the illegal immigrants from Germany another option to get to Scandinavia. Well done.
To late ,. They already overran Sweeen
@@tnickknight and the UK / France / Spain / Italy and Greece …
Exactly, once those African immigrants arrive at Malta, Sicily, or Greece... just one more step, and they're into northern Italy; two steps, and they're into Germany; and from there they just take this tunnel and... HELLO SCANDINAVIA!
The whole of Africa is now going to invade Scandinavia. hahaha
Mocks transporting rail by ferry to save time as overly complicated, champions multi-decade $7 billion mega project underwater tunnel that will require the building of a huge factory and supporting town just to build it. 😂
Do you think ferries are built in small mom and pop factories
@@u1zha Please. Dude's mocking a far less expensive solution to the rail problem that's gotten the job done in favor of a 7 billion dollar mega project. One that'll have been in design and construction for several decades by the time it's done. How long do you think it took to design and build those ferries? How much do you think they cost? Why was it a mockable solution to the rail problem? He's just being goofy. While he's dreaming about this far more expensive and extensive mega project those ferries are reliably getting it done everyday without drama as a matter of routine. And they will continue to do so for many years to come until this mega project is finally completed. Cutting a great deal of time off the transportation of goods over this straight. They're only absurd until you look at the alternatives.
@@u1zha and in case you didn't get the memo they already had dry docks with local shipbuilders available to build the ferries. They didn't need to build the manufacturing infrastructure and a town to house the workforce to just build them. You know, unlike this mega project.
Got the job done? This tunnel will save so much time and will make travel between Denmark and Sweden so much better. And yes it does cost money. But so does any other bridge. Are you gonna say ferries will do the job at every bridge and tunnel in the world?
@@Lunavii_Cellest I didn't say that. He's the one mocking that solution to the rail problem for its complexity, cost and absurdity of ferrying trains while promoting a project to replace it thats incredibly far more so. If the irony is lost on you it's lost on you
This will only be usefull for Scandinavians , will not really change anything in the average Eu country
Scandinavians import lots of goods from southern europe special vegetables
It will be. Have you ever been on European freeways? Trucks everywhere going from Poland to Sweden, from France to Greece, from Italy to Denmark. It will be useful for all Europeans but obviously for some countries more than for others
@@janeisklar3923 If a truck goes from Italy to Denmark, in grand scheme of things, 160km detour, which this tunnel is trying to slove, doesnt sound that significant?
Not gonna happen in a 100 years, Germany is done 😂
It is already being build - and Denmark is paying for it, so..
@patrickreichenbach7722 ?????? They ALREADY started this on the Danish side in January 2021, and on the German side in November 2021. Germany is only responsable for the infrastructure on the German side. The Tunnel itself and everything on the Danish side is the responsiblity of the Danish authorities. Similar projects in Denmark ( Storebælt and Øresund ) opened close to the sceduled date. And this is sceduled to open in 2029, which is not "in a hundred years", so!?!!
No no Danish politicians make once in a generation projects at least every 10 years, also now there is the energy islands project about to take off.
It is easy to build big things when you do it with money stolen from people, or should i say with money borrowed in the name of people, i am pretty sure they have not saved a dime to build this damn thing.
These are called investments in the future, are nothing special, and they will eventually pay for themselves.
@@fastertove Indeed.
It is also okay IF:
Projects like this are not on the expence of other important functions of society.
For Instance in Denmark, many welfare functions, like the public healthcare systems have been destroyed by cut backs and so on, so Doctors and nurses are running from those jobs.
I am wondering if the money they "saved" on that account are used elsewhere.
Right now in the entire Denmark if you get colon cancer, there is 1 doctor to save you
And the in total 4 such doctors we had a few months ago, not even enough to keep up and so people was not getting treatment fast enough.
There are plenty of reasons to be "miffed" if you are a sane Dane.
I am not able to participate in the democratic process here as i can not vote for incompetent idiots.
@@pliashmuldba Day to day expenditures and long time investments are very much separate things. Long time investments pay for themselves, but that is not always the case with the day to day expenditures. That being said, it can be very hard to distinguish what is what, and I definitely agree that more money should be spend on those essential parts of our welfare system, that you mention.
From my point of view, it is especially dumb how areas like the school system, which in essence is a long time investment, are continuous neglected. The reforms of "folkeskolen" has frankly been consistently for the worse - a prime example of what not to do.
@@pliashmuldba A blank vote is still better than no vote, so I'd hope you're voting blank every time, rather than 'just not going'.
I do also think it's fair to point out, that if you are a citizen with voting rights, and find there to be nobody worth voting for, the same freedom that permits voting, also permits starting up a new political party to represent what you think is missing in the elections.
Put shortly, non-participation is only really for the disinterested and those who don't have voting rights; everyone else can and should partake :)
@@GronTheMighty Dont worry M8 i show up every time, and at least do what i can do, which are turning up get my ballot, go to voting booth, look at it with disdain and exercising my gag reflexes, and then go stuff the blank ballot in the box.
Much easier for drug dealers and illegal migrants to move about
By that logic we should all stay locked in our homes and have checkpoints at every municipal boundary. No way the criminals can move around then
@@andrewreynolds4949 yes, so we should.
I am sure that the project will be complete even before 2029, moreover the project should have been built already before 2020 when the covid 19 arrived!
When I hear that term „ sustainable“ in such a context as a tunnel I become physically ill! Same type of crap that Kamala Harris always yaps at us!
More illegal immigrants
Thanks. Pronunciation of Fehmarn? The age-old english problem keeps showing - no idea of pronunciation, often their own included. Look: You have had something called the Great Vowel Shift (GVS). Go to WP > 'Great Vowel Shift' > click on Talk (top left, under title) > read the last comment ('The linguistic knowledge...').
Now that we've got this out of the way, you already sense that it most probably can't be right to use your GVS rules on other european languages. Or put it this way: There is no real reason to make a letter E [eː] sound like an I [iː] These mystic signs are the IPA script, global standard in this field. Forget your own (american) botched effort (let alone the despicable respelling), just accept it and learn the frequent signs, to end you embarassing anglo-autism, sailing under 'superior edusys' (really?).
So Fehmarn would then be spoken [fˈeːmaʁn]