I do smoke, but never around people eating - I'll stroll away and light up at a distance, even in a parking lot waiting for someone to finish shopping - many people don't notice or care that people around them don't smoke..
Well James talks about the fact he would likely enjoy the beer garden more if smoking was banned, hate to burst his bubble but the pub he would like to enjoy such time would be just another boarded up shop face on the high street. The exact same argument was put forward when they banned smoking in pubs "we would go to the pub more if smokers had to go outside" they said, and the result was pubs closing left and right and the ones that remain have a handful of people in them who get up and stand at the door for a smoke, so no the none smokers do not make up the shortfall.
I mean... they do give you cancer. No one's saying they're disgusting or anything. They can also seek treatment, if and when they decide to. Just don't do things that give us cancer.
@ruthbarr3159 Fine providing they are prepared to pay extra for them! Why should the NHS be burdened with dealing with lifestyle self inflicted diseases ? Smoking isn't compulsory.
The justification for banning smoking is health. Are we going to ban all processed food? Doesn’t poverty lower life expectancies and cause untold illness? Why don’t they tax extreme wealth and eliminate poverty in that case?
I actually liked it when LBC mentioned in the description the three topics James O'Brien would talk about on the show and the point at which they begin, shame they haven't done it this time.
Who goes to pubs anymore - i thought everyone was home online creating data banks of outrage to feed AI with ( it doesn't have enough yet, apparently) - i mean that's what we're all here for, right..?
This is like the IT Crowd episode where Jen has to keep going outside to some Soviet Russia to smoke. And it keeps going further and further until she has to walk down the motorway to find a smoking area.
I think there should be a difference made between different pubs, as a 30 year old who smokes in pubs, there are no children or people eating meals in the pubs I go to. I think James is envisioning some sort of gastropub where people are out for a meal with their kids, rather than a pub adults go to to drink and meet people
I went to Spain, and I noticed families behave differently. Parents seem to like their kids, they seemed open and fun loving. Food was better, eating out was cheap and healthy. British parents are stressed and anxious, we don't like our kids and we want too much of of them.
I'd say that's true of most of the Mediterranean, they have much more respect the elder generations and cherish time with the family, especially as you said around food, eating all together and communicating with each other around the table.
Smokers all year round stand out in the rain getting drenched, in winter almost freeze to death to go outside to smoke so that people inside do not have to breath in their fumes and now the none smokers want to go outside for the 7 minutes and 36 seconds we do get of sunshine and so decide smoking outside should be banned.
@JoinedtodaySowhat I'll give you one more, in winter they would say why dont you give the smokers a place outside because there's not enough seats inside for all of us. james cant enjoy his meal if he has to stand or wait an hour for a table. hey james i know its raining bud but why dont you eat your meal outside there is plenty of tables?
Less people smoke than ever before, but banning smoking in pub gardens, in bars which are already struggling, will continue to force people to choose supermarket alcohol over socialisation. More people will stay at home drinking and continuing to smoke. The little exercise they get walking to the pub will disappear, but more crucially the socialisation they cease to experience will create a nation of isolated, unhealthy, miserable individuals. Air pollution is terrible in the UK, and smoking contributes virtually nothing to that. Banning smoking in pub gardens will backfire. It will destroy businesses, and ruin people's mental health. Why not leave a smoking ban down to individual hospitality outlets?
As a teenager, I could drink alcohol down the pub with older mates and then get involved in (what today would be considered) low level criminal disorder pretty much without any fear of being recorded by CCTV and thus getting a visit from the old bill, and I could also smoke tobacco, inside the pub. This may not have been healthy, but it certainly meant that I wasn't miserable 😁
British exceptionalism and arrogance still prevails ... I despair! Do we not understand ... we have no cards to play with ... I mean NOTHING! The EU is simply being politely diplomatic ... something they excel at and we stink at!
@@johnsevern739If the NHS were the driving factor behind this proposed legislation, then the very first thing to ban would be alcohol. It causes more trouble - socially and economically - for the NHS than smoking.
@mickreaddin4979 Well the government aren't proposing actually banning tobacco, but I get your point. Alcohol is already massively taxed and consumption in public controlled - No drink driving of course, limits to how much you can consume if you do, police powers to stop and breathalyse you, points on driving licence, implications for car insurance... the list goes on, but you're right it does cause problems for the NHS - perhaps further restrictions are under discussion who knows! The government have to tread a fine line to try to protect health, protect business, protect personal freedoms!
@@johnsevern739 Publicans sought to mitigate the indoor smoking ban by introducing outdoor areas for smokers. Personally I think it will be yet another nail in the coffin of an already under fire sector. Pubs are closing at a rate of knots, and this won't help if it passes.
I believe the kids are more unhappy in the UK because they know they're set up for failure. Meaning it'll be so difficult to obtain a house, afford to drive and so on.. also they know how useless our leaders are, they have no faith in them. Which is daunting for the future. - Also the family unit in our society isn't something that's strong anymore. Meaning a lot of children come from broken homes, which no doubt is a contributing to the unhappiness, compared to other European countries that still take pride in a strong family, marriage etcetera.
no smoking out side kids parks, absolutely. No smoking outside stadiums, I guess that makes sense with stadiums being open to a wider public. With pub gardens however I believe it should be up to the business, if they want to accommodate smoking throughout the whole space then so be it, people can choose to drink in pubs that don’t allow it.
Dear James If we are not living in a two tier environment then why does domong throwing rocks at a politician gets a suspended sentence while someone attending a vigil that turned in to a riot gets months and years?
I'd be so happy if they'd ban outdoor smoking around restaurants/pubs etc. I can smell cigarette smoke 2 blocks away - always gauging which way the wind is blowing. This law would be a real game changer!!!
Why arent sky rocketing obesity levels also being tackled? Or even mentioned!! Parents are literally killing their childs physical and mental development. We are pointing fingers at all the wrong things right now.
Because it's "offensive" to tell someone they are obese these days. But I agree they should talk about it on LBC, someone should bring it up to Shiela.
@@xavierhucklenbruch1798Europe is a continent and and a cultural historical continuum which Britain can’t help but be part of whatever the relationship with the EU
Just no. The air in any town or city is nasty. Cancerous too. But smokers have gone along with health fascism for a long time, nice and peacefully. In the winter, we stand in the rain, no-one else about. In summer, non-smokers use the garden again. A little tolerance please.
The UK focus on economics more than family. The countries with the happiest people are also the ones that encourage and support the opportunity for at least one parent to stay home or work less hours, their early years schooling concentrates on play, social skills, empathy and community, and they don’t have formal assessment for children until at least the age of 7 unlike the UK who prep children ready for assessments at aged 5. The UK forces people into work including single parents which is really apparent in areas of disadvantage.
They clearly don’t consume less, but they can consume not much of the really bad actors until they learn English which is years later than the English speaking kids.
@@Sw4lley The purpose of social media is to overcome such borders and boundaries, so toxic trends simply swap everywhere. It might take a year longer for an Andrew Tate to become popular in Germany or France, but kids basically follow the same stuff. His TikToks are just translated and others imitate him, or promote the same views. We have countless red pill influencers in Germany, and the far right AfD is now the most popular party online, which led to major success in the last EU election. I think it's a pretty anglo-centric view, to think that we still live in an age where language differences leave other cultures in a state of isolation.
@@tom_hagen1972 yeah I know, but those years difference do help a little, atleast it feels to me that way. And again, I don’t think the kids here do consume less.
@@Sw4lley Look at the Netherlands or Sweden, kids there basically grow up consuming everything in English, because movies aren’t dubbed. They are a lot more connected to what is going on in the UK or US, but don’t show the same signs of despair. Tbh, I think England is just far ahead in terms of the neoliberal dystopia, which will await all of us Europeans, if things continue this way. Kids just have to look at their surroundings to understand that society is going downhill. Polls say similar things in other countries, but at least we still have remnants of a welfare state and strong public institutions. Many of them were just abolished in the UK a long time ago already.
The happiness study compared the UK with Europe, but listening to this as an American, I very strongly suspect young people in the UK are experiencing similar rates of unhappiness as American youth. It sounds as though over the past couple decades, UK society has begun to align more with US society, and away from European norms, with a corresponding decrease in happiness. Anxiety and depression are exceedingly common among Gen Z-they despair about the future of the world, their country, and their lives. Which strikes me as entirely rational.
I do agree with banning smoking in outdoor areas, but it's completely hypocritical the way smokers are ostracised but those consuming alcohol are not. Alcohol is a toxin that causes immeasurable harm in society, and not just to those that consume it. If introduced today it would be a class A drug and immediately made illegal yet we happily expose our children to drinking like it should be the norm. Maybe pubs should be forced to include soundproof chambers for those consuming alcohol, so others can actually have a conversation without shouting?
Yes, let's ban alcohol from pubs...what a perfectly logical and sensible idea. 🤔 You upper-middle-class do-gooders have no clue. I don't smoke and I don't drink, but I was raised above a pub throughout my entire childhood. It hasn't affected me detrimentally. Forcing my parents into umemployment however did hurt me...
@@GregOrCreg So you have no argument, everything I said is 100% true. Alcohol causes a multitude of health problems, it can be extremely addictive and can cause anti-social behaviour, accidents and worse. It's only because as a society it's consumption has become ingrained as part of so many cultures that it's use is so widely accepted. You make many assumptions, that I am upper class, that I propose a ban on alcohol and that I don't drink alcohol. None of these are true. My point was that it's hypocritical to demonize smokers whilst freely allowing or even encouraging the consumption of alcohol. Also you were lucky not to have been negatively affected, I have two relatives who have lost everything and one whom eventually lost their life due to alcoholism.
@@skorne7682 I was raised among alcoholics, but I'd have been out on the streets and homeless if my mother didn't have a job working at a pub. Would the likes of you have taken us in?
I think if we're looking to ban smoking then we should also be looking at Alcohol and fatty foods too. Smoking is only one aspect of the problems facing the NHS and statistics show that alcohol related deaths are rising. Banning smoking and not looking at other areas of health just looks like they're picking on one vice whilst condoning the others.
@@johnsevern739 you're right that they haven't said anything about the other issues but there's less of a chance they would go to those areas because more people indulge in those vices. More people consume sugary and salty foods and drink than they do smoke. Smoking has only been a core focus because of how many people understand that it's inherently bad with no positives but fail to understand the same with drinking and eating unhealthily. We don't see packaging on bottles or cans of alcohol or food with the effects it can have, we don't have increasingly high taxes on those products or have implemented anything to discourage people from indulging in them yet we do with smoking? I'm just saying that if you are going to put restrictions and base it on public health for one thing you should do the same with the rest.
@@limpethead I have 3 spiders in my living room, I leave them be, they keep the flies down when I have my windows open, also, seems I'm sorted for future snacks. 😋
The chili one isn't quite correct - if you underwater a chilli plant it gets what's called water stress, and while in a stressed state it develops more capsaicin as a defense mechanism (the spicy element of chillies). It's not to do with dilution. Listening back to mystery hour after the fact can be frustrating lol!
Labours effort would be much better spent on putting restrictions/ regulating producers of low quality, ultra processed foods that children are consuming. Instead of clamping down on a freedom for an adult to choose to smoke in a designated smoking area
Former prime minister Rishi Sunak announced plans for a smoke-free country through his proposed Tobacco and Vapes Bill in 2023. The Bill was dubbed the “greatest piece of public health legislation in a generation” and was progressing through Parliament when the General Election was called.
Teenagers being unhappy - have you through about what those kids want? It may be something about personal freedom, about them leaving the home and wanting to meet their friends outside. Just go out and walk around with friends, or meet up in some place. But the problem is - every time they go out, they are in noisy environment, environment built not for humans, but cars. Many of our streets are overrun with cars and car dependant mentality. If you don't drive, there is something wrong with you. But the car centric mentality has one serious issue - the kids can't do stuff themselves. What other options do they have? Play on phone, or PlayStation in their own room. Because it is fairly hostile everywhere else. And they need to rely on mum and dad for transport.
BBQ smoke carries the same health risk as passive smoking outdoors. Eating BBQ food also has health risks. Tax from tobacco sales exceeds both tax from BBQ sales and costs to the NHS for smoking related illness. So, if your argument is one of health, or over costs to taxpayers, then surely BBQs should be your priority?! Note: Yes it is a silly comparison, but it also true.
Smoking was banned in Canada in all indoor public spaces, public transit facilities and workplaces including restaurants, bars, and casinos, and the businesses are doing just fine.
Keep up. We've already banned smoking in indoor places. This is about banning smoking in outdoor beer gardens. The fact you refer to bars, and not pubs, indicates to me that Canadians have a very different social culture to our own.
@@GregOrCreg We have pubs. Pubs have outdoor patios, We have outdoor beer gardens. Smoking is not allowed in any of these public places, and these businesses do just fine.
Say goodbye to freehold pubs, the smoking ban caused a massive shutdown of pubs. If they ban outside smoking then I worry for local rural pubs. Also tons of people gathered on footpaths, roads, and other areas near the pub to smoke. Imagine sat in a beer garden with scores of people on the other side of the fence smoking.
Starmer isn't interested in working-class and relatively less educated people who work in pubs (or the jobs that will be lost as a result). He's interested only in the clever clogs doctors, lawyers and other upper-middle-class public servants and professionals he's spent his entire life surrounded by. Has this man ever done a blue-collar/working-class job in his life? Being the 'son of a toolmaker' doesn't count.
Former prime minister Rishi Sunak announced plans for a smoke-free country through his proposed Tobacco and Vapes Bill in 2023. The Bill was dubbed the “greatest piece of public health legislation in a generation” and was progressing through Parliament when the General Election was called.
That Honor goes to James Whale at Talk T.V/radio. Whale is a free speech warrior who invites opposing guests on to his show & then gets angry at them if they dare to express an opposing view. So much for believing in free speech.
Unhappy children - I don't think it's smartphones because that is the same for children worldwide and not unique to the UK. I think it's more to do with the end of the nuclear family as the countries James identified as having happier children are not post-nuclear family.
Thing is crime is rampant, police cant be dealing with theft under £1000, and yet some how smoking outside is an issue? And can the police add this to their to do list!
@@tonjamarshall4842 Yeah, "smoking can reduce the risk of contracting COVID-19 and has a protective effect on the respiratory tract. In a meta-analysis of 5 clinical data from China, the combined odds ratio (OR) of COVID-19 progression between smokers and non-smokers was 1.69 (95% confidence interval, CI, 0.41-6.92)" - NIH GOV
I'm hearing that the 'proposed' smoking ban in pubs is "sensible approach" to helping people stop smoking. Looking forward to the day when the obese will be banned from proximity to fast food outlets as a "sensible approach" to help them stop gorging on food which costs the NHS millions. This is just to divert attention away from the impending tax rise conversation..... The dead cat thrown on the table. Old political tactic but still effective.
The question of platform ownership responsibility was raised 5 years ago. The question raised was "Are platform companies, content providers or publishers?", as there are different regulations affecting each. The general consensus among right-wing people like Farage in the UK and Ted Cruz in the US was that legislation must decide which side of the fence these companies sit on. The issue was never resolved. So it's easy for the owner of Telegram to use this predicament as a defense. The left was silent on the issue at the time. 5 years later the left is raising this concern, and now the right is silent on the issue.
(Okay, if it keeps Farage away from people then I'm all for the ban. That's the *real* public health measure). As a former smoker who still gets cravings when I smell a cigarette I feel that if people are outdoors they need to be allowed to smoke. Biergartens are more tricky because they are all outdoor seating, so you would need to have a smoking section with perhaps some sort of physical barrier between the smoking and non-smoking sections. But if you want to go to a pub or a restaurant that has both indoor and outdoor seating, and you want to be somewhere nobody is smoking, then go inside.
Smokers with bad breath smelly clothing and nicotine coloured car head lining it's like 60s and 70s with asbestos ignorant was bliss but now in 2024 inflicting non Smokers with their addiction isn't acceptable
Making it a law will take away the right of proprietors to choose whether to make their pub gardens smoke-free or not. Some publicans may reason that it's in the interests of their business to allow people to smoke in their beer gardens. This govt seems to be set on taking away that freedom.
@@mickreaddin4979open your eyes you’ll see them. whether vapes are less unhealthy than cigs is besides the point. What affect does a nicotine addiction have on a developing brain?
This ppl wants to ban smoking and is taking freedom from other ppl cause it bothers them, so what if i say it bother me that ppl are some ppl are eating should we ban that in the restaurant.
"In Italian, Al fresco literally means ‘in prison’. The reason why it means that is probably because in the past, prisons were very cold places with thick walls (‘fresco’ means ‘cold’)." - Culture Trip.
Many of the outdoor areas were specifically designed and built to cater for smokers to retain their business because none smokers wanted them to go outside, now none smokers want to take ownership of those spaces too, I'm wondering would it be ok to send smokers to mars to have a smoke in peace or do the rest of you plan to holiday there also?
Germany has Private Schools, „Schloss Salem“ would like to be recognized with its 55.000€ without extras as yearly tuition cost. The Father of King Charles got his education there. On the arrest of the Telegram guy, all other platforms are atleast showing some effort of moderating their sites and have been shown the finger a few times, especially Twitter had multiple calls for their failure and I don’t see that going much longer without a hefty fine.
@@djart4866 the Tories left enough fuel to keep it burning for a while mate. If you’re blaming anything on the man who’s been in power 2 months you live on planet delusion. Vote for them did ya? Well done and thank you.
@@pleitao5Thats not the point surely? The point is the nations health and the cost of bad lifestyle choices on the NHS burden. Smoking is not compulsory. I would prefer it if the NHS spent its limited resources, its energy and time in treating people with diseases that they haven't contributed to themselves. Its harsh I know..
YOU GOT TO LOVE THE SELLERS WHO PROFIT FROM THE WRONGS THEY SELL US IN OUR WORLD ,,,, smoking - Once addicted to it ,, we need you to stop what we told you was okay for many years ? kind of like diesel fuel being okay - better for the planet ,,,,, and,,,,,, once you've debt or used saving to do the right thing buying the can/van etc,, whoops - sorry we were wrong,,, and one more - like Grenfell tower fire and the cladding - we'll make your lives healthier and save YOU money ,,, in ,,,, the ,,, long ,,, run ? big whoops again,,,, and the seller never gets burnt for the wrongs they sell us
I do own a pair of rose colored glasses, even so, I feel like there was more for young people to do and places to go that were affordable, even if you had to do some chores and collect returnable glass bottles in order to participate, and there were community centers for younger people with activities, sports and games - and the library!! 🥰👍🏼👍🏼I spent many hours there, traveling in my mind - we only had 3 TV channels - we used our imaginations more, entertained ourselves with the simplest things.. treehouses and streams were endless sources of games and things to do, and keep cool, since there basically wasn't any air conditioning..
I do smoke, but never around people eating - I'll stroll away and light up at a distance, even in a parking lot waiting for someone to finish shopping - many people don't notice or care that people around them don't smoke..
Well James talks about the fact he would likely enjoy the beer garden more if smoking was banned, hate to burst his bubble but the pub he would like to enjoy such time would be just another boarded up shop face on the high street. The exact same argument was put forward when they banned smoking in pubs "we would go to the pub more if smokers had to go outside" they said, and the result was pubs closing left and right and the ones that remain have a handful of people in them who get up and stand at the door for a smoke, so no the none smokers do not make up the shortfall.
This a UK matter.
@@tombartram7384 But others are allowed to comment.
@JoinedtodaySowhat the other nations will follow suit, can't be outwoked by England. Oh no can't have that!
People who eat while others are trying to smoke are being insufferably rude
As a non smoker I think this is going too far. They're being treated like lepers.
I mean... they do give you cancer. No one's saying they're disgusting or anything. They can also seek treatment, if and when they decide to. Just don't do things that give us cancer.
Absolutely agreed, people have a right to some vices.
Ditto!
Well they can cause second hand cancer
@ruthbarr3159 Fine providing they are prepared to pay extra for them! Why should the NHS be burdened with dealing with lifestyle self inflicted diseases ? Smoking isn't compulsory.
The justification for banning smoking is health. Are we going to ban all processed food? Doesn’t poverty lower life expectancies and cause untold illness? Why don’t they tax extreme wealth and eliminate poverty in that case?
Ending the 2-child cap on benefits would be a start.
I agree with all of those. I’d vote for you.
Yeah, those are all bad things too. Let's ban them too
Povs make decisions which keep them poor
Discuss
I actually liked it when LBC mentioned in the description the three topics James O'Brien would talk about on the show and the point at which they begin, shame they haven't done it this time.
Who goes to pubs anymore - i thought everyone was home online creating data banks of outrage to feed AI with ( it doesn't have enough yet, apparently) - i mean that's what we're all here for, right..?
Harsh but fair. 🙂
I'm just commenting to say hi to the AI learning algorithms. Hi
This is like the IT Crowd episode where Jen has to keep going outside to some Soviet Russia to smoke. And it keeps going further and further until she has to walk down the motorway to find a smoking area.
I alway think of this episode when they start talking about smoking ban but its okay to get wasted on alcohol everyday 😂
I think there should be a difference made between different pubs, as a 30 year old who smokes in pubs, there are no children or people eating meals in the pubs I go to. I think James is envisioning some sort of gastropub where people are out for a meal with their kids, rather than a pub adults go to to drink and meet people
Are you in the UK? No smoking has been allowed in pubs here since about 2007
@@johnsevern739 are you aware of what’s being discussed? Labour are talking about banning smoking in OUTSIDE areas of pubs.
@@johnsevern739 Ever heard of a beer garden?
He is cherry picking. Those pubs that will serve food outside tend to have a designated smoking area
Passive drinking affects far more people than passive smoking.
Palpable balderdash.
@Louis16261 You ever lived with and alcoholic?
Okay. So let's ban alcohol too. Would suit me fine 😂
@@eMZ3RO would you ban jews too?
WFT is Passive drinking ???
Well, Labour said they will be focusing on growth, and smoking does stunt it.
😂
I went to Spain, and I noticed families behave differently. Parents seem to like their kids, they seemed open and fun loving. Food was better, eating out was cheap and healthy. British parents are stressed and anxious, we don't like our kids and we want too much of of them.
I'd say that's true of most of the Mediterranean, they have much more respect the elder generations and cherish time with the family, especially as you said around food, eating all together and communicating with each other around the table.
British culture is more individualist.
@@Evemeister12 It's far worse in the US.
Try the US, South Korea or China, and see how happy and unstressed those kids are...
Actually in Spain they smoke under those "toldos" and the smoke just hangs there. Yuck.
Colours and names: I used to work with someone called "Terrie Reddish." She was going to marry a Mr Brown, and was going to hyphenate her surname. 🙂
Smokers all year round stand out in the rain getting drenched, in winter almost freeze to death to go outside to smoke so that people inside do not have to breath in their fumes and now the none smokers want to go outside for the 7 minutes and 36 seconds we do get of sunshine and so decide smoking outside should be banned.
@JoinedtodaySowhat I'll give you one more, in winter they would say why dont you give the smokers a place outside because there's not enough seats inside for all of us. james cant enjoy his meal if he has to stand or wait an hour for a table. hey james i know its raining bud but why dont you eat your meal outside there is plenty of tables?
Less people smoke than ever before, but banning smoking in pub gardens, in bars which are already struggling, will continue to force people to choose supermarket alcohol over socialisation.
More people will stay at home drinking and continuing to smoke. The little exercise they get walking to the pub will disappear, but more crucially the socialisation they cease to experience will create a nation of isolated, unhealthy, miserable individuals.
Air pollution is terrible in the UK, and smoking contributes virtually nothing to that. Banning smoking in pub gardens will backfire. It will destroy businesses, and ruin people's mental health.
Why not leave a smoking ban down to individual hospitality outlets?
Give up smoking then. Social life sorted.
@@DemonstrableRealistyou must be one of starmers puppets!
@@dvvecchio7193 I smell cauliflower.
Ironically on the run up to the general election labour called itself the pub party,no more pub closures under a labour government they declared lol
It’s banned in all those kinds of spaces in Australia. The cost of a pint is what’s killing pubs. Not banning smoking
Am i gonna have to breathe in vapes,or skunk smoking in the street,and on the bus
At least they smell better
Yes, it is shared(open) space, so people can smoke in the shared areas.
As a teenager, I could drink alcohol down the pub with older mates and then get involved in (what today would be considered) low level criminal disorder pretty much without any fear of being recorded by CCTV and thus getting a visit from the old bill, and I could also smoke tobacco, inside the pub.
This may not have been healthy, but it certainly meant that I wasn't miserable 😁
British exceptionalism and arrogance still prevails ... I despair! Do we not understand ... we have no cards to play with ... I mean NOTHING! The EU is simply being politely diplomatic ... something they excel at and we stink at!
Government mandate
Don't smoke breath in & out as least as possible!
Any surplus money you have we will syphon it off
Yea breathing isn't something smokers want
@@skootergirl22 MPs are the ones trying to suffocate the masses!
In a few words: The lack of opportunity and bleak future.
We need to give all of us hope.
The one thing that is always forgotten about is, the amount of money smokers pay in tax, on cigarettes. About 80% on a packet.
They won't be forgetting if this ban actually worked!
Most of the smokers I know don't buy UK cigarettes @@adam7802
That is taken account but what is more important, money or health?
The amount of money spent on treatment in the nhs for smoking far outweighs the amount of tad they pay
No it doesn't.
Any mention of Knife crime yet ? No smoking outside is more important , what a joke !
I am from Kuwait and I love your show,James ..
Get it off your chest Mr Meldrew
Starmer fighting battles which don’t exist
They do, The NHS
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@@johnsevern739If the NHS were the driving factor behind this proposed legislation, then the very first thing to ban would be alcohol. It causes more trouble - socially and economically - for the NHS than smoking.
@mickreaddin4979 Well the government aren't proposing actually banning tobacco, but I get your point. Alcohol is already massively taxed and consumption in public controlled - No drink driving of course, limits to how much you can consume if you do, police powers to stop and breathalyse you, points on driving licence, implications for car insurance... the list goes on, but you're right it does cause problems for the NHS - perhaps further restrictions are under discussion who knows! The government have to tread a fine line to try to protect health, protect business, protect personal freedoms!
@@johnsevern739 Publicans sought to mitigate the indoor smoking ban by introducing outdoor areas for smokers. Personally I think it will be yet another nail in the coffin of an already under fire sector. Pubs are closing at a rate of knots, and this won't help if it passes.
As a smoker i haven't got the energy to fight anymore. But alcohol is fine 😂
You may have more energy if you stopped smoking
@@martinnewtonholmesyup, reduced oxygen isn't the best approach
there's no such thing as second hand drunkeness, that's the difference, if I drink my whiskey, you in fact don't feel it's effects
@@dbunik44 If you don`t drink you can get quite merry in a Pub
The fumes I would think
Don’t worry they won’t ban it because they need the tax money, and they don’t have the police force to in-force anything 😂
I believe the kids are more unhappy in the UK because they know they're set up for failure. Meaning it'll be so difficult to obtain a house, afford to drive and so on.. also they know how useless our leaders are, they have no faith in them. Which is daunting for the future.
- Also the family unit in our society isn't something that's strong anymore. Meaning a lot of children come from broken homes, which no doubt is a contributing to the unhappiness, compared to other European countries that still take pride in a strong family, marriage etcetera.
Housing is a big issue, maybe I should go to iraq and become a refugee come back illegally and get a house that way?
@@MrPutin-e7v the irony is that you'll most likely be better off if you were to do that.
no smoking out side kids parks, absolutely. No smoking outside stadiums, I guess that makes sense with stadiums being open to a wider public.
With pub gardens however I believe it should be up to the business, if they want to accommodate smoking throughout the whole space then so be it, people can choose to drink in pubs that don’t allow it.
Dear James If we are not living in a two tier environment then why does domong throwing rocks at a politician gets a suspended sentence while someone attending a vigil that turned in to a riot gets months and years?
I FOUND A SHEEP I FOUND A SHEEP WHO BLEETS OUT TWO TEIR
I'd be so happy if they'd ban outdoor smoking around restaurants/pubs etc. I can smell cigarette smoke 2 blocks away - always gauging which way the wind is blowing. This law would be a real game changer!!!
Ban drinking alcohol in the pubs next it's very unhealthy
Why arent sky rocketing obesity levels also being tackled? Or even mentioned!!
Parents are literally killing their childs physical and mental development.
We are pointing fingers at all the wrong things right now.
I would say pointing at smoking is fair but would agree obesity should be on the radar too
Because it's "offensive" to tell someone they are obese these days. But I agree they should talk about it on LBC, someone should bring it up to Shiela.
sugar tax, but smoking is wrong if you look at the science
Not really as smoking is the number 1 cause for hospital admissions and treatments i agree tho alcohol needs to be next to go
@@marcust123 Yes, let's be Puritans!
Meanwhile the tobacco industries share prices continue to rise without any government interference...
No chance they Love interference
Well nicotine is a drug
Could be because they probably earn most of their income abroad where there isn't the same legislation and protections- I'm guessing South America??
I remember LBC cheerleading for Labour during the election, Hope the regret is really sinking in. You helped make it happen.
Sunak wanted to continually raise the legal age for buying cigarettes
The only people who should have regrets about voting are the people who gave us The Tories for 14 years. Oh & those who voted for Farage.
@@MrRailjunkie Won't be saying that once the Labour tax hikes hit in Autumn.
Where are all the mps going to go for a smoke when starmer bans it on the terraces of westminster espcially his friend Angela 😂
The uk the north Korea of Europe 🤦
You are not in europe no more 😂
@@xavierhucklenbruch1798Europe is a continent and and a cultural historical continuum which Britain can’t help but be part of whatever the relationship with the EU
@@xavierhucklenbruch1798 Did the UK move?
@danmayberry1185 the tectonic plates must have been very active recently without any of us noticing it would seem.
@@xavierhucklenbruch1798geography not your strongest point I see!!
Just no. The air in any town or city is nasty. Cancerous too. But smokers have gone along with health fascism for a long time, nice and peacefully. In the winter, we stand in the rain, no-one else about. In summer, non-smokers use the garden again. A little tolerance please.
If you didn’t smoke you would feel the opposite.
The UK focus on economics more than family. The countries with the happiest people are also the ones that encourage and support the opportunity for at least one parent to stay home or work less hours, their early years schooling concentrates on play, social skills, empathy and community, and they don’t have formal assessment for children until at least the age of 7 unlike the UK who prep children ready for assessments at aged 5.
The UK forces people into work including single parents which is really apparent in areas of disadvantage.
I worked for oil refinery companies and i can tell you for certain what is considered "petroleum" is 1000x more carcinogenic than tobacco smoke.
Starmers making more smokers by the stress he's causing. Stress andworry. Some people smoking is their only pleasure.
That's just sad
Does James seriously think that continental European kids consume less social media, because they are less likely to understand English? Lol.
They clearly don’t consume less, but they can consume not much of the really bad actors until they learn English which is years later than the English speaking kids.
@@Sw4lley The purpose of social media is to overcome such borders and boundaries, so toxic trends simply swap everywhere. It might take a year longer for an Andrew Tate to become popular in Germany or France, but kids basically follow the same stuff. His TikToks are just translated and others imitate him, or promote the same views. We have countless red pill influencers in Germany, and the far right AfD is now the most popular party online, which led to major success in the last EU election. I think it's a pretty anglo-centric view, to think that we still live in an age where language differences leave other cultures in a state of isolation.
@@tom_hagen1972 yeah I know, but those years difference do help a little, atleast it feels to me that way. And again, I don’t think the kids here do consume less.
@@Sw4lley Look at the Netherlands or Sweden, kids there basically grow up consuming everything in English, because movies aren’t dubbed. They are a lot more connected to what is going on in the UK or US, but don’t show the same signs of despair.
Tbh, I think England is just far ahead in terms of the neoliberal dystopia, which will await all of us Europeans, if things continue this way. Kids just have to look at their surroundings to understand that society is going downhill. Polls say similar things in other countries, but at least we still have remnants of a welfare state and strong public institutions. Many of them were just abolished in the UK a long time ago already.
The happiness study compared the UK with Europe, but listening to this as an American, I very strongly suspect young people in the UK are experiencing similar rates of unhappiness as American youth. It sounds as though over the past couple decades, UK society has begun to align more with US society, and away from European norms, with a corresponding decrease in happiness. Anxiety and depression are exceedingly common among Gen Z-they despair about the future of the world, their country, and their lives. Which strikes me as entirely rational.
I do agree with banning smoking in outdoor areas, but it's completely hypocritical the way smokers are ostracised but those consuming alcohol are not. Alcohol is a toxin that causes immeasurable harm in society, and not just to those that consume it. If introduced today it would be a class A drug and immediately made illegal yet we happily expose our children to drinking like it should be the norm.
Maybe pubs should be forced to include soundproof chambers for those consuming alcohol, so others can actually have a conversation without shouting?
Yes, let's ban alcohol from pubs...what a perfectly logical and sensible idea. 🤔
You upper-middle-class do-gooders have no clue.
I don't smoke and I don't drink, but I was raised above a pub throughout my entire childhood. It hasn't affected me detrimentally. Forcing my parents into umemployment however did hurt me...
@@GregOrCreg So you have no argument, everything I said is 100% true.
Alcohol causes a multitude of health problems, it can be extremely addictive and can cause anti-social behaviour, accidents and worse. It's only because as a society it's consumption has become ingrained as part of so many cultures that it's use is so widely accepted.
You make many assumptions, that I am upper class, that I propose a ban on alcohol and that I don't drink alcohol. None of these are true.
My point was that it's hypocritical to demonize smokers whilst freely allowing or even encouraging the consumption of alcohol.
Also you were lucky not to have been negatively affected, I have two relatives who have lost everything and one whom eventually lost their life due to alcoholism.
@@skorne7682 I was raised among alcoholics, but I'd have been out on the streets and homeless if my mother didn't have a job working at a pub. Would the likes of you have taken us in?
No, inside, I agree, but outside, it's not really necessary.
I think if we're looking to ban smoking then we should also be looking at Alcohol and fatty foods too.
Smoking is only one aspect of the problems facing the NHS and statistics show that alcohol related deaths are rising.
Banning smoking and not looking at other areas of health just looks like they're picking on one vice whilst condoning the others.
Eventually we will all be wearing the same clothes, made out of hessian, and eating spiders. Won't that be fun?
Well that would be great
It's a start. Nothing to say they are not looking at other areas too, although alcohol is already covered by quite a bit of legislation
@@johnsevern739 you're right that they haven't said anything about the other issues but there's less of a chance they would go to those areas because more people indulge in those vices. More people consume sugary and salty foods and drink than they do smoke.
Smoking has only been a core focus because of how many people understand that it's inherently bad with no positives but fail to understand the same with drinking and eating unhealthily.
We don't see packaging on bottles or cans of alcohol or food with the effects it can have, we don't have increasingly high taxes on those products or have implemented anything to discourage people from indulging in them yet we do with smoking?
I'm just saying that if you are going to put restrictions and base it on public health for one thing you should do the same with the rest.
@@limpethead I have 3 spiders in my living room, I leave them be, they keep the flies down when I have my windows open, also, seems I'm sorted for future snacks. 😋
Don't really understand why it's a priority to be honest
The chili one isn't quite correct - if you underwater a chilli plant it gets what's called water stress, and while in a stressed state it develops more capsaicin as a defense mechanism (the spicy element of chillies). It's not to do with dilution. Listening back to mystery hour after the fact can be frustrating lol!
Labours effort would be much better spent on putting restrictions/ regulating producers of low quality, ultra processed foods that children are consuming. Instead of clamping down on a freedom for an adult to choose to smoke in a designated smoking area
James would ban everything he doesn't agree with, what an exciting world that would be.
eg. all talkback radio hosts more handsome than he is.. (ie. all of them..)
Former prime minister Rishi Sunak announced plans for a smoke-free country through his proposed Tobacco and Vapes Bill in 2023. The Bill was dubbed the “greatest piece of public health legislation in a generation” and was progressing through Parliament when the General Election was called.
@@jeffsimon9594you sound like you have a very peculiar obsession with him
@@jeffsimon9594
What an odd thing to come out with.
@@Jim-rl4st It is a superb 'face for radio' as they say. 😎
Keith only got withdrawal symptoms *after* the smoking ban in pubs was introduced?
who cares? how about banning terrorists etc
My 6-year-old brain: He said 'do do'
Teenagers being unhappy - have you through about what those kids want? It may be something about personal freedom, about them leaving the home and wanting to meet their friends outside. Just go out and walk around with friends, or meet up in some place. But the problem is - every time they go out, they are in noisy environment, environment built not for humans, but cars. Many of our streets are overrun with cars and car dependant mentality. If you don't drive, there is something wrong with you. But the car centric mentality has one serious issue - the kids can't do stuff themselves. What other options do they have? Play on phone, or PlayStation in their own room. Because it is fairly hostile everywhere else. And they need to rely on mum and dad for transport.
And smoking can help with that? Face it millennials and younger generations can't afford them
@@skootergirl22 Not sure I understand about the smoking stuff here...
I love the question about the pigeons with an accent
BBQ smoke carries the same health risk as passive smoking outdoors.
Eating BBQ food also has health risks.
Tax from tobacco sales exceeds both tax from BBQ sales and costs to the NHS for smoking related illness.
So, if your argument is one of health, or over costs to taxpayers, then surely BBQs should be your priority?!
Note: Yes it is a silly comparison, but it also true.
Smoking was banned in Canada in all indoor public spaces, public transit facilities and workplaces including restaurants, bars, and casinos, and the businesses are doing just fine.
Keep up. We've already banned smoking in indoor places. This is about banning smoking in outdoor beer gardens. The fact you refer to bars, and not pubs, indicates to me that Canadians have a very different social culture to our own.
@@GregOrCreg We have pubs. Pubs have outdoor patios, We have outdoor beer gardens. Smoking is not allowed in any of these public places, and these businesses do just fine.
lol.. i thought it was already banned in pub beer gardens... i guess you learn something new every day
Say goodbye to freehold pubs, the smoking ban caused a massive shutdown of pubs. If they ban outside smoking then I worry for local rural pubs. Also tons of people gathered on footpaths, roads, and other areas near the pub to smoke. Imagine sat in a beer garden with scores of people on the other side of the fence smoking.
Starmer isn't interested in working-class and relatively less educated people who work in pubs (or the jobs that will be lost as a result). He's interested only in the clever clogs doctors, lawyers and other upper-middle-class public servants and professionals he's spent his entire life surrounded by. Has this man ever done a blue-collar/working-class job in his life? Being the 'son of a toolmaker' doesn't count.
Former prime minister Rishi Sunak announced plans for a smoke-free country through his proposed Tobacco and Vapes Bill in 2023. The Bill was dubbed the “greatest piece of public health legislation in a generation” and was progressing through Parliament when the General Election was called.
Food should be banned from pubs, except boxes of crisps, pickled eggs and KP peanuts
Don´t be rude says the rudest nercissist on British radio
Go on little sheep bleet out two teir
Two tier seems to be the new StoP the BoAts @@skootergirl22
James is rude for you as he doesn't agree with you. Right?
That Honor goes to James Whale at Talk T.V/radio. Whale is a free speech warrior who invites opposing guests on to his show & then gets angry at them if they dare to express an opposing view. So much for believing in free speech.
@@MrRailjunkie you're allowed to smoke at home
Does James take his children on the underground
Unhappy children - I don't think it's smartphones because that is the same for children worldwide and not unique to the UK. I think it's more to do with the end of the nuclear family as the countries James identified as having happier children are not post-nuclear family.
As a smoker I hate the smell chicken kiev
I remember (post smoke ban) going to a bar in Philly with no ban, it was awesome
I’m sure the smoking-related illnesses that the bar patron’s insurance didn’t cover were equally awesome.
Thing is crime is rampant, police cant be dealing with theft under £1000, and yet some how smoking outside is an issue? And can the police add this to their to do list!
Police deal with smoking in pub gardens? Only if they can drive into the garden.
I now watch James’s show to see people from all backgrounds laugh at him.
The coolest people i know smoke!
Wow, that's so cool!
@@Norman-j7m True that, I really believe that the reason why I don't get Covid was because I smoked, people didn't want to be around me!
@@tonjamarshall4842 That could be true, and I think there is even some evidence for that.
@@tonjamarshall4842 Yeah, "smoking can reduce the risk of contracting COVID-19 and has a protective effect on the respiratory tract. In a meta-analysis of 5 clinical data from China, the combined odds ratio (OR) of COVID-19 progression between smokers and non-smokers was 1.69 (95% confidence interval, CI, 0.41-6.92)" - NIH GOV
@@andrewstevenson118 Thanks, I really thought smoking would protect me against Covid, that's why I smoked two, sometimes three packs a day!
its not just the pub garden its also the street....so then what.
Kids are being murdered and he's more concerned about people smoking in the open air.
Kids are always being murdered. You might want 24/7 coverage, but not everyone does.
Because you can’t say who doing the crime
I'm hearing that the 'proposed' smoking ban in pubs is "sensible approach" to helping people stop smoking. Looking forward to the day when the obese will be banned from proximity to fast food outlets as a "sensible approach" to help them stop gorging on food which costs the NHS millions. This is just to divert attention away from the impending tax rise conversation..... The dead cat thrown on the table. Old political tactic but still effective.
The question of platform ownership responsibility was raised 5 years ago. The question raised was "Are platform companies, content providers or publishers?", as there are different regulations affecting each. The general consensus among right-wing people like Farage in the UK and Ted Cruz in the US was that legislation must decide which side of the fence these companies sit on. The issue was never resolved. So it's easy for the owner of Telegram to use this predicament as a defense. The left was silent on the issue at the time. 5 years later the left is raising this concern, and now the right is silent on the issue.
When do we start unbanning things?
(Okay, if it keeps Farage away from people then I'm all for the ban. That's the *real* public health measure).
As a former smoker who still gets cravings when I smell a cigarette I feel that if people are outdoors they need to be allowed to smoke. Biergartens are more tricky because they are all outdoor seating, so you would need to have a smoking section with perhaps some sort of physical barrier between the smoking and non-smoking sections. But if you want to go to a pub or a restaurant that has both indoor and outdoor seating, and you want to be somewhere nobody is smoking, then go inside.
Smokers with bad breath smelly clothing and nicotine coloured car head lining it's like 60s and 70s with asbestos ignorant was bliss but now in 2024 inflicting non Smokers with their addiction isn't acceptable
And don't forget cancer
Theres already loads of pubs which don't allow smoking in the pub garden. I don't see what making it law will actually change
Making it a law will take away the right of proprietors to choose whether to make their pub gardens smoke-free or not. Some publicans may reason that it's in the interests of their business to allow people to smoke in their beer gardens. This govt seems to be set on taking away that freedom.
Ban smoking in outside areas whilst about a third of 12 year olds today get though about 5 vapes a day.
I'd be interested in reading the data that supports your claim, but trying to equate vaping with smoking is ridiculous.
@@mickreaddin4979open your eyes you’ll see them. whether vapes are less unhealthy than cigs is besides the point. What affect does a nicotine addiction have on a developing brain?
I think both girls and boys have a lot to be unhappy about- the boys because of Andrew Taint, and the girls because of Andrew Taint
Legalises cannabis ffs
Is there scientific evidence that, passive smoking occurs outdoors
Why are we always talking about brexit? can't have a show without for a change
This ppl wants to ban smoking and is taking freedom from other ppl cause it bothers them, so what if i say it bother me that ppl are some ppl are eating should we ban that in the restaurant.
"In Italian, Al fresco literally means ‘in prison’. The reason why it means that is probably because in the past, prisons were very cold places with thick walls (‘fresco’ means ‘cold’)." - Culture Trip.
"al fresco" literally means, "in the fresh air". fresco in Italian means "fresh". it can also mean "cool"
@@Glasgow_kiss Not in Italy it doesn't. Giggle it. 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118 err....ever heard of pittura a fresco? It's not really painting in your prison cell.
@@ricardocima Giggle "what does al fresco mean in Italy."
@@andrewstevenson118 you mean as a slang?
Then the again said "but doctor, I *am* Nick Ferrari"
Many of the outdoor areas were specifically designed and built to cater for smokers to retain their business because none smokers wanted them to go outside, now none smokers want to take ownership of those spaces too, I'm wondering would it be ok to send smokers to mars to have a smoke in peace or do the rest of you plan to holiday there also?
Germany has Private Schools, „Schloss Salem“ would like to be recognized with its 55.000€ without extras as yearly tuition cost. The Father of King Charles got his education there.
On the arrest of the Telegram guy, all other platforms are atleast showing some effort of moderating their sites and have been shown the finger a few times, especially Twitter had multiple calls for their failure and I don’t see that going much longer without a hefty fine.
Hail the new puritan, righteous maelstrom.
Refreshing isn’t it.
How can meta have billions of users in Europe, simple maths my friend
Wasn’t Rishi going to ban smoking in all public places? So, it depends on the person doing the banning, then it’s wrong?
I thought Rishi was only going to stop anyone born after 2009 being able to smoke. Not to ban smoking for adults who already do so.
Barely got 10 Downing Street warm and already there’s more alarm bells than a fire station lol
The fire’s been burning for 14 years.
@@DemonstrableRealist now there’s certainly more fuel to keep it burning!
@@djart4866 the Tories left enough fuel to keep it burning for a while mate. If you’re blaming anything on the man who’s been in power 2 months you live on planet delusion. Vote for them did ya? Well done and thank you.
Has James ever mentioned anything about the Farage brick throwing incident?
14 years under an uncaring government.
2 tier Stalin .
Kids vape ...so forget that argument..all the ex smokers being virtuous and patronizing..id quite like to swear at this piont but i wont
Smoking will deteriorate the experience for everybody else. Why would that be ok? Feed your demons without bothering somebody else.
Its on open air! Get real!
@@pleitao5Thats not the point surely? The point is the nations health and the cost of bad lifestyle choices on the NHS burden. Smoking is not compulsory. I would prefer it if the NHS spent its limited resources, its energy and time in treating people with diseases that they haven't contributed to themselves. Its harsh I know..
YOU GOT TO LOVE THE SELLERS WHO PROFIT FROM THE WRONGS THEY SELL US IN OUR WORLD ,,,, smoking - Once addicted to it ,, we need you to stop what we told you was okay for many years ? kind of like diesel fuel being okay - better for the planet ,,,,, and,,,,,, once you've debt or used saving to do the right thing buying the can/van etc,, whoops - sorry we were wrong,,, and one more - like Grenfell tower fire and the cladding - we'll make your lives healthier and save YOU money ,,, in ,,,, the ,,, long ,,, run ? big whoops again,,,, and the seller never gets burnt for the wrongs they sell us
James O'Brien doesn't half waffle on without getting to the point.
He has no point.
No smoking in the pub gardens, no smoking in the streets, soon they'll put a ban in place for if you try to speak.
Nothing to do with Brexit. Other countries are in the EU are in the same boat.
I do own a pair of rose colored glasses, even so, I feel like there was more for young people to do and places to go that were affordable, even if you had to do some chores and collect returnable glass bottles in order to participate, and there were community centers for younger people with activities, sports and games - and the library!! 🥰👍🏼👍🏼I spent many hours there, traveling in my mind - we only had 3 TV channels - we used our imaginations more, entertained ourselves with the simplest things.. treehouses and streams were endless sources of games and things to do, and keep cool, since there basically wasn't any air conditioning..
What is James O'Bafoon doing today?
That's helpful.
Modelling his latest acquisition from outside Chiswick Oxfam