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I LOVE your guests speaker 😊❤😊 I think of the First Amendment Auditor. Always trying to win against cops on camera to upload to the world 🌎. My Humble opinion is why don't cops become the biggest PR firm for their Department. Instead of being an argument back and forth. The Auditor shows the same thing over and over the front entrance of the lobby. Offer a TOUR, walk with the auditor explaining and showing off the pictures and awards on the wall, the Auditor wants a confrontation don't give them one. Do what this Great Sargent teaches even for the BS call like an Auditor 😊 what's your opinion on these First Amendment people. How should the cops handle them. Just asking
I graduate from police academy tomorrow. These podcasts have helped me not only get through the boaring times but morning PT and down time filled with amazing information and real-life experience. Thank you all for these podcasts. It means a lot to me. I will cherish all this information because it helped me mentally prepare for the road. I will continue listening and absorbing all the information given to us! Thank you!
Thank you for choosing the PD as a Job hopefully for your Life, you come home every day. I think in today's policing, be a great ( Listener) and have an open mind, even the biggest scum bag is still a human being.
Thank you for having James on the show. James does a phenomenal job teaching for us and cares deeply about helping officers understand the confusing process of OIS investigations. Great job Kyle and Mark!
This Officer's Skills are absolutely amazing. Yes I Concur with the issues with some of the newer Cops and People in general who have completely due to technology lost the Art of Communication. 💙💙💙
A good thing worth mentioning is having a protected person (chaplain, peer support if the law recognizes them as a protected person, department psych) for officers to talk to. Like you all mentioned, immediately we are told not to and should not discuss the event with anybody, yet we have that natural desire to share, justify and seek approval. Agencies should have some representative that you can talk to after an OIS
Yeah that would be real helpful to officers to go above and beyond just making an effort to protect their rights after an incident. ...and of course you'd also support the same efforts be made when a legally armed citizen is involved in a self defense shooting. Legally armed citizens should also be afforded the courtesy of not being forced into making a statement right away and having time to work through the adrenaline and shock of the entire event prior to being questioned with the intent of holding them to any and every thing they may say and use it to discredit later testimony given when they've had time to get their head straight and make sense of the events and timeline with the help of a representative whose there to advocate for them in addition to a lawyer, yes it would also be beneficial to also speak with a religious councilor or additional representative who's looking out for their best interest. Great idea guys. I hope you'll follow thru with making some effort to make this happen. ...of course the first step would be just to give the legally armed citizen the same accommodations and time that police officers receive. Only seems right, doesn't it? Or is that just one of those things the public had to accept and deal with with the fact that when an officer is involved in a lethal force incident, you assume he's righteous and couldn't have broken any laws but when dealing with a pesky citizen, you assume they're guilty from the jump and treat them as such? It's an unearned benefits and one that's unwarranted when you consider that a commissioned officer is statistically more likely to commit a crime than a concealed carry license holder.
@@invictusbp1prop143 what is your source when you refer to a commissioned police officer being more likely to commit a crime than a licensed conceal carry citizen? Do you have the statistics on how many crimes the average citizen commits on a daily basis, not even knowing they are committing crimes? The key difference is police officers involved in a shooting are carrying out their official duties of the job. That’s why certain benefits are afforded to them over a legally armed citizen. If I worked for a home building company and got hurt on the job, likely, I would be covered by some form of Worker’s Compensation, assuming I was not violating policy and carrying out my normal duties, and would have benefits from my company. If I was building my own home on my own private property and got hurt on the job, there is no business that put me in a position to potentially get hurt to file for Worker’s Compensation. I would have to go through my own insurance, and no company would be liable for my actions and injuries.
@@invictusbp1prop143 let’s actually unpack this a little more! When a self-defense shooting occurs by a citizen, before giving their statement, they should be read the rights. They do have the right to consult with an attorney before giving their statement. They can arrange an interview at a police station with an attorney present. Giving a voluntary statement immediately at the scene is obviously something that they are going to feel pressured to do to justify their actions and share their story. When the police show up, their job is to determine if laws were broken and crimes were committed. Of course the police are going to inquire as to the facts regarding what happened. It is naïve to think that officers will not try and get a voluntary statement to better understand the circumstances. There is no assumption that the “Pesky Citizen” is guilty, it is just part of the job to interview and gather facts. When police are involved in defensive shootings, more often than not they are treated as guilty until proven innocent through the multiple investigations that happen and the constant public outcry about the big, bad police officer. With that being said, you definitely brought up some points that are worth discussing and clarifying. Thanks for contributing.
I have been out of PD work since 2012. The department I worked for didn't do ANY debriefs even for us on ANYTHING. We were left on our own for any mental help from the start.
Excellent point about the definition of Insanity. I see this when I watch BCM Footage of Officer Involved Shootings. This Model really needs to be adopted across All Law Enforcement Agencies. I love it Thanks❤
Never knew the full process until I went through it personally. Trust me when I say we NEVER want this to happen. The trauma and emotions that overcome you and you truly feel for their family. Even though they were ready to kill me that day, their family never asked for it and it will forever change my life.
Good stuff. Definitely some good advice on CNT. Another great show and guest. Glad you guys are starting to get the recognition on this show. You guys will blow up big. It’s only a matter of time.
A year later and this is still one of my favorite episodes! Talking about caring for people both in the community and for officers. So informative! Thanks, guys!
I see a lot of cops with the saying of "sir turn off your engine, step out and sit on the curb until I can get more officers". I feel like if they can bring themselves down to the person's level and not make the person they are dealing with feel like the cops are above them a lot of things would happen differently. I see it one too many times that an officer that doesn't really know the streets and how people are on the so the officer naturally feels like they have to be above them to rectify the situation or its you have controlled the situation, and that is not always the case. You can go back to the old saying "you can get more bees with honey" well if they use that knowledge wisely from that old saying they can rectify the situation without little to minimum effort just by the way they talk to people. There's been a few times I've seen it in Pennsylvania where I am a patrolman at an officer has someone who's not complying any off shirt starts getting aggressive right off the bat and starts being a jerk to the person and I have to step in and get the person to talk to me because the officer doesn't understand the concept of how the streets are and how they operate. Me growing up in a similar neighborhood not that far away and growing up having it rough I understand and sometimes that is what needs to be done because a lot of the time the people who become officers in certain areas of where there is high crime that officer never grew up there and doesn't understand the streets because they have never grew up dealing with the street life.
This is gold man. Mind that I'll take a report at the end of the day, no problem. OT baby! All silliness aside, I wish this was common knowledge. This is the worst-case scenario for a PO.
1:33:27 im the county up from Ft.Pierce and think that our county and city PD need this training and I hope that our departments have these policies. Our Sheriff lets our officers do their job as they need. He was one on a political path from day one. A lot of FBI, DOJ, training on PC. He's nothing like the best Sheriff in Florida, Grady Judd in Polk County.
When I was involved in my shooting my agency took my firearm then put me in an interview room. Then took me around town for drug tests still in uniform unarmed. I hated that part
@@shotsfiredpodcast50 they have allegedly revamped the OIS procedures since then. We haven’t had one since mine in 2021. Another little piece is that I didn’t get a single day off work for this. They just hade take walk ins which felt like a punishment at the time
I graduated from the, Ventura County Police and Sheriff's Reserve Academy back in, 2006. Class, 06-1. I then went to and graduated from. Rio Hondo, Police Academy in 2007. I went that long and drawn out process because I paid for myself (sponsored myself) to go to both Academies because I was still just only 19 years old at the time. Once i graduated from, Rio Hondo, I was eligible (old enough) to finally get picked up.
As a citizen I'm not a cop. But one thing he said I disagree with. The victim is hypersonic who was shot. Not the person doing the shooting. Doesn't matter if thr person shot was criminal or not. I'm sure everyone here will come at me but that's what I think
Here in Aurora, they kill someone, and they get around two weeks of paid time off and the department investigates themselves and they are found good to go and they come back to work or they transfer to a new department. They might get promoted if they get hurt and then they are held a hero.
Unless I missed it I did not hear any of them say Garrity. It’s case law and only give a Garrity interview. It’s your rights to have this. It’s called case law
45:35 Oh the horror! That officer was treated like any regular old peasant citizen after he was involved in a shooting! How dare they! And that officer is a "victim". He's seen as a victim....whereas if you're a legally armed citizen who was forced to defend himself against a criminal attack, depending on where he is, that man is placed under arrest, treated far worse than the cop that was supposedly so mistreated in their "horror story". But that legally armed citizen is cuffed and stuffed and questioned and any hesitency he may show in being interviewed immediately will be taken by the detectives as a sign that the victim, oh, sorry that's only when it's a cop, if it's a peasant citizen, he's the suspect and if he doesn't want to be interviewed right now, he's "uncooperative" and evasive and probably guilty. He's not given that luxury of taking a few days and making sure he gets some good night's sleep and he can come in when he's relaxed and feeling rested and fresh and clean. No Joe Public is locked in a cage...in a nasty, filthy, disgusting cage, surrounded by nasty filthy disgusting people who are loud 24/7 and no way in hell is he getting any sleep. But screw him, he doesnt have a badge on his chest. Only guys with badges deserve to be treated decently and given a fair shake in this whole situation. If he has a badge, you assume he's righteous and needs to be protected. If he doesn't have a badge, he is just a peasant citizen, so screw him, his guilty anyway let's get him in the room and beat him down with presumptive statements and refusal to accept any explanation other than going along with the detective who says he knows he's guilty and won't let him say anything to the contrary. These guys are talking about how the officer has to be protected from the trauma of being questioned a second time because it could "revictimize" them and cause them so much undue trauma. Give me a damn break! You're all just fine with throwing the armed citizen in the room and beating him down for 6 or 8 hours...Reid Technique the hell out of them... No badge. Screw him. Doesn't matter that he already lost his job, and could go to prison and is also locked in a cage for a year waiting for a trial, is already financially ruined, has already lost his wife and friends and demonized in the media with no way to defend himself. But he doesn't have a badge. The guy that does have a supposedly deserves all this special treatment. Why? Cops aren't a higher level of citizen. Hell, a concealed carry permit holder is statistically less likely to commit a crime than a commissioned police officer. Why does the guy less likely to commit crimes deserve to be treated like a criminal and the cop deserve every possible advantage in his case.
I don’t understand why cops would need so many things after a shooting. Why would you keep your gun, cell phone, have a buddy to hangout with, ETC.? If a person shot someone in self defense they wouldn’t get that kind of treatment. Why would the law be applied differently? This is an earnest question, but yes it is direct to something that seems to be government favoritism.
It is their job. Although it is a rare occurrence they are fully authorized to shoot if the situation deems it necessary. It is known police officers receive lots of training for these situations whereas for civilians all of that is unknown. If an officer were to shoot someone in self defense when they’re off duty in street clothes they wouldn’t receive the same treatment as if they were in uniform.
@@jake405 additionally, that doesn’t explain why they need all this extra shit. If you’re trained then why would you need a laundry list of things and a buddy to keep you company lol
@josephrusso5518 work 12hrs straight, last call before shift ends and have a major incident happen. These people weren't just sitting around with one group of buddies chilling and relaxing. They had 12hrs of long days or worse nights of call after call. Most interviews I've seen of suspects, they get food, drinks. Even recently cigarettes in an interview. They make it as comfortable as possible so the suspect feels able to talk. I can put up 3 videos if I looked through my history here in just the last week. I go down rabit holes of certain videos. And back to back i watched 3 interviews with the serious devil getting great treatment in an interview. So no cops don't always get the best more than regular civilians
@@josephrusso5518because as a civilian you are not subject to a criminal and policy investigation simultaneously. It’s the policy investigation that requires the seizure of a gun belt, the separation of police witnesses etc. the “special treatment” you speak of is welfare management of an employee by an employer and nothing more. If you’re not arrested as a civilian you can leave, as a police officer you cannot, hence the “special treatment”.
Personally I don’t think for 99% of officer involved shootings there should even be an investigation beyond the scene. Officers should just be trusted that they did what they thought was right unless there is evidence otherwise.
That's just brilliant. Police have proven themselves to have a large enough number of turds in their ranks to not be given that much trust and responsibility to determine for themselves whether an investigation is warranted. And there needs to be some internal accountability above and beyond the extremely low bar of legal justification. There are so many legally justified shootings that tho the judge may say an officer was legally justified but still not morally justified or realistically justified. The trend toward coourts giving so much latitude to officers in the name of the almighty, forever first and foremost, paramount Officer Safety has resulted in officers using officer safety as an excuse to get around constitutional protections and make things easier on themselves...and it's made it acceptable to shoot as soon as you think you have justification rather than the way it used to be, the old standard of "I had no other choice". These days, coos shoot unarmed suspects because they're afraid of getting beat up...or punched in the face...or getting their hair messed up. In a situation where back in my dad's day, he would have squared up and come home with a black eye after taking an uncooperative suspect into custody, today has a good chance of ending up in a use of lethal force. Just because you can doesn't always mean you should. And another issue is the times when officers create their own jeopardy in order to have justification. Prime example being when a subject attempts to flee a traffic stop....a simple traffic stop when the driver is known to the officers or is just a dumb scared kid who's listened to too much of the propaganda and people on the internet telling them that cops are hunting them and want to kill them for fun and it happens every day, and they freak out and try to run....far too often cops with step in front of that car or exaggerate how close they were to the car, or claiming the driver was trying to run them over so they had to dump a mag of 9mm into the passenger compartment without knowing how many people were even in the vehicle. One incident in particular comes to mind. Officer was pursuing a woman into a culdesac where she came to a stop. Then she turns around and is heading back the way she came from which is where the officer had stopped. So he hops out of his patrol vehicle, right in front of the car trying to leave the culdesac. He was safe as a kitten in his vehicle. But no, he hops out. He backs up to where he can sidestep behind his vehicle, she's driving past him trying to get back down the road and he opens up on her, ends up standing effectively right next to her car, firing at a 90 degree angle into the driver side window. Basically firing point plank into the drivers face as she's driving past him and his justification is that she would have run him over, so he had no choice...he had to blast her in the face and she drove past him in order to prevent her from running him over.... But at that point, she effectively driven past him...she can't run over him when he's standing next to the car as she's driving past him.... Of course it's ruled justified. But is it? Driving away from a police officer is not a crime punishable by death.
@@zachalex111 Do you even know the definition of ignorance? Hint.. It's related to ignoring a part of reality. What I stated IS part of a daily reality in this country. Doubts? I can prove it. Hundreds of videos were that exact behavior DID come out. Imagine how many instances couldn't be proven. So who is ignorant again?
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I LOVE your guests speaker 😊❤😊
I think of the First Amendment Auditor. Always trying to win against cops on camera to upload to the world 🌎. My Humble opinion is why don't cops become the biggest PR firm for their Department. Instead of being an argument back and forth. The Auditor shows the same thing over and over the front entrance of the lobby. Offer a TOUR, walk with the auditor explaining and showing off the pictures and awards on the wall, the Auditor wants a confrontation don't give them one. Do what this Great Sargent teaches even for the BS call like an Auditor 😊 what's your opinion on these First Amendment people. How should the cops handle them. Just asking
I graduate from police academy tomorrow. These podcasts have helped me not only get through the boaring times but morning PT and down time filled with amazing information and real-life experience. Thank you all for these podcasts. It means a lot to me. I will cherish all this information because it helped me mentally prepare for the road. I will continue listening and absorbing all the information given to us! Thank you!
Congratulations, Blessings and love to you all and your families my Brothers and Sisters in Arms.
Thank you for choosing the PD as a Job hopefully for your Life, you come home every day. I think in today's policing, be a great ( Listener) and have an open mind, even the biggest scum bag is still a human being.
Everyone should watch this.
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Thank you!
Thank you for having James on the show. James does a phenomenal job teaching for us and cares deeply about helping officers understand the confusing process of OIS investigations. Great job Kyle and Mark!
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It was a pleasure. Looking forward to having more of your instructors on 🚔.
This Officer's Skills are absolutely amazing. Yes I Concur with the issues with some of the newer Cops and People in general who have completely due to technology lost the Art of Communication. 💙💙💙
A good thing worth mentioning is having a protected person (chaplain, peer support if the law recognizes them as a protected person, department psych) for officers to talk to. Like you all mentioned, immediately we are told not to and should not discuss the event with anybody, yet we have that natural desire to share, justify and seek approval. Agencies should have some representative that you can talk to after an OIS
That’s a great point. We lean on our law enforcement chaplains quite a bit after an OIS.
Yeah that would be real helpful to officers to go above and beyond just making an effort to protect their rights after an incident. ...and of course you'd also support the same efforts be made when a legally armed citizen is involved in a self defense shooting. Legally armed citizens should also be afforded the courtesy of not being forced into making a statement right away and having time to work through the adrenaline and shock of the entire event prior to being questioned with the intent of holding them to any and every thing they may say and use it to discredit later testimony given when they've had time to get their head straight and make sense of the events and timeline with the help of a representative whose there to advocate for them in addition to a lawyer, yes it would also be beneficial to also speak with a religious councilor or additional representative who's looking out for their best interest. Great idea guys. I hope you'll follow thru with making some effort to make this happen. ...of course the first step would be just to give the legally armed citizen the same accommodations and time that police officers receive. Only seems right, doesn't it? Or is that just one of those things the public had to accept and deal with with the fact that when an officer is involved in a lethal force incident, you assume he's righteous and couldn't have broken any laws but when dealing with a pesky citizen, you assume they're guilty from the jump and treat them as such? It's an unearned benefits and one that's unwarranted when you consider that a commissioned officer is statistically more likely to commit a crime than a concealed carry license holder.
@@invictusbp1prop143 what is your source when you refer to a commissioned police officer being more likely to commit a crime than a licensed conceal carry citizen? Do you have the statistics on how many crimes the average citizen commits on a daily basis, not even knowing they are committing crimes?
The key difference is police officers involved in a shooting are carrying out their official duties of the job. That’s why certain benefits are afforded to them over a legally armed citizen.
If I worked for a home building company and got hurt on the job, likely, I would be covered by some form of Worker’s Compensation, assuming I was not violating policy and carrying out my normal duties, and would have benefits from my company. If I was building my own home on my own private property and got hurt on the job, there is no business that put me in a position to potentially get hurt to file for Worker’s Compensation. I would have to go through my own insurance, and no company would be liable for my actions and injuries.
@@invictusbp1prop143 let’s actually unpack this a little more!
When a self-defense shooting occurs by a citizen, before giving their statement, they should be read the rights. They do have the right to consult with an attorney before giving their statement. They can arrange an interview at a police station with an attorney present. Giving a voluntary statement immediately at the scene is obviously something that they are going to feel pressured to do to justify their actions and share their story.
When the police show up, their job is to determine if laws were broken and crimes were committed. Of course the police are going to inquire as to the facts regarding what happened. It is naïve to think that officers will not try and get a voluntary statement to better understand the circumstances.
There is no assumption that the “Pesky Citizen” is guilty, it is just part of the job to interview and gather facts. When police are involved in defensive shootings, more often than not they are treated as guilty until proven innocent through the multiple investigations that happen and the constant public outcry about the big, bad police officer.
With that being said, you definitely brought up some points that are worth discussing and clarifying. Thanks for contributing.
This is a great videos, I’ve had a loose understanding of what happens after OIS but I can’t wait to see details. Good job guys!
Excellent information to know.
I have been out of PD work since 2012. The department I worked for didn't do ANY debriefs even for us on ANYTHING. We were left on our own for any mental help from the start.
Excellent point about the definition of Insanity. I see this when I watch BCM Footage of Officer Involved Shootings. This Model really needs to be adopted across All Law Enforcement Agencies. I love it Thanks❤
Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks to everyone for Your Service.💙💙💙
Never knew the full process until I went through it personally. Trust me when I say we NEVER want this to happen. The trauma and emotions that overcome you and you truly feel for their family. Even though they were ready to kill me that day, their family never asked for it and it will forever change my life.
Honestly James changed my entire view on the kind of Officer I want to be I wanted to be the bad ass swat guy but now negotiations sounds fucking fun
Good stuff. Definitely some good advice on CNT. Another great show and guest. Glad you guys are starting to get the recognition on this show. You guys will blow up big. It’s only a matter of time.
Thanks my man. Hope to keep growing 👮🏼♂️
A year later and this is still one of my favorite episodes! Talking about caring for people both in the community and for officers. So informative! Thanks, guys!
I see a lot of cops with the saying of "sir turn off your engine, step out and sit on the curb until I can get more officers". I feel like if they can bring themselves down to the person's level and not make the person they are dealing with feel like the cops are above them a lot of things would happen differently. I see it one too many times that an officer that doesn't really know the streets and how people are on the so the officer naturally feels like they have to be above them to rectify the situation or its you have controlled the situation, and that is not always the case. You can go back to the old saying "you can get more bees with honey" well if they use that knowledge wisely from that old saying they can rectify the situation without little to minimum effort just by the way they talk to people. There's been a few times I've seen it in Pennsylvania where I am a patrolman at an officer has someone who's not complying any off shirt starts getting aggressive right off the bat and starts being a jerk to the person and I have to step in and get the person to talk to me because the officer doesn't understand the concept of how the streets are and how they operate. Me growing up in a similar neighborhood not that far away and growing up having it rough I understand and sometimes that is what needs to be done because a lot of the time the people who become officers in certain areas of where there is high crime that officer never grew up there and doesn't understand the streets because they have never grew up dealing with the street life.
This is gold man. Mind that I'll take a report at the end of the day, no problem. OT baby! All silliness aside, I wish this was common knowledge. This is the worst-case scenario for a PO.
Thank you. unfortunately most officers don’t find out about the process until after they have been in a shooting.
You NEVER want your Sgt or another officer calling your loved ones on your behalf; EVER. Been there, no good.
Most definitely ❤️
You guys should get a game warden on the podcast. That would be an awesome episode!
This is information every officer should consider prior to giving a statement.
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As someone that’s just getting into law enforcement, this was fucking awesome.
Love this content
1:33:27 im the county up from Ft.Pierce and think that our county and city PD need this training and I hope that our departments have these policies. Our Sheriff lets our officers do their job as they need. He was one on a political path from day one. A lot of FBI, DOJ, training on PC.
He's nothing like the best Sheriff in Florida, Grady Judd in Polk County.
Thank you for this podcast, more cops now know the process before the process happens. Keep up the hard work and fantastic podcasts gentlemen!
This was on point
Thank you 👊🏼
When I was involved in my shooting my agency took my firearm then put me in an interview room. Then took me around town for drug tests still in uniform unarmed. I hated that part
Wtf…. 😳. Maybe the department needs an update on managing OIS’s.
@@shotsfiredpodcast50 they have allegedly revamped the OIS procedures since then. We haven’t had one since mine in 2021. Another little piece is that I didn’t get a single day off work for this. They just hade take walk ins which felt like a punishment at the time
James nailed it! YOU NEED TO PUT THE EGO AWAY!
If only a normal citizen could take 3 days before being questioned
I graduated from the, Ventura County Police and Sheriff's Reserve Academy back in, 2006. Class, 06-1. I then went to and graduated from. Rio Hondo, Police Academy in 2007. I went that long and drawn out process because I paid for myself (sponsored myself) to go to both Academies because I was still just only 19 years old at the time. Once i graduated from, Rio Hondo, I was eligible (old enough) to finally get picked up.
Awesome information!!!
He gets a thrill out of officer involved shootings?
As a citizen I'm not a cop. But one thing he said I disagree with. The victim is hypersonic who was shot. Not the person doing the shooting. Doesn't matter if thr person shot was criminal or not. I'm sure everyone here will come at me but that's what I think
Here in Aurora, they kill someone, and they get around two weeks of paid time off and the department investigates themselves and they are found good to go and they come back to work or they transfer to a new department. They might get promoted if they get hurt and then they are held a hero.
Cops are human too.
Unless I missed it I did not hear any of them say Garrity. It’s case law and only give a Garrity interview. It’s your rights to have this. It’s called case law
I don't think he mentioned it directly but alluded to it when he referenced the "compelled interview...or face termination"
Telling the truth nothing to worry about. Getting the lie straight. Yea don't talk and say how wrong you are. Killing someone is illegal.
45:35 Oh the horror! That officer was treated like any regular old peasant citizen after he was involved in a shooting! How dare they! And that officer is a "victim". He's seen as a victim....whereas if you're a legally armed citizen who was forced to defend himself against a criminal attack, depending on where he is, that man is placed under arrest, treated far worse than the cop that was supposedly so mistreated in their "horror story". But that legally armed citizen is cuffed and stuffed and questioned and any hesitency he may show in being interviewed immediately will be taken by the detectives as a sign that the victim, oh, sorry that's only when it's a cop, if it's a peasant citizen, he's the suspect and if he doesn't want to be interviewed right now, he's "uncooperative" and evasive and probably guilty. He's not given that luxury of taking a few days and making sure he gets some good night's sleep and he can come in when he's relaxed and feeling rested and fresh and clean. No Joe Public is locked in a cage...in a nasty, filthy, disgusting cage, surrounded by nasty filthy disgusting people who are loud 24/7 and no way in hell is he getting any sleep. But screw him, he doesnt have a badge on his chest. Only guys with badges deserve to be treated decently and given a fair shake in this whole situation. If he has a badge, you assume he's righteous and needs to be protected. If he doesn't have a badge, he is just a peasant citizen, so screw him, his guilty anyway let's get him in the room and beat him down with presumptive statements and refusal to accept any explanation other than going along with the detective who says he knows he's guilty and won't let him say anything to the contrary.
These guys are talking about how the officer has to be protected from the trauma of being questioned a second time because it could "revictimize" them and cause them so much undue trauma. Give me a damn break! You're all just fine with throwing the armed citizen in the room and beating him down for 6 or 8 hours...Reid Technique the hell out of them... No badge. Screw him. Doesn't matter that he already lost his job, and could go to prison and is also locked in a cage for a year waiting for a trial, is already financially ruined, has already lost his wife and friends and demonized in the media with no way to defend himself. But he doesn't have a badge. The guy that does have a supposedly deserves all this special treatment. Why? Cops aren't a higher level of citizen. Hell, a concealed carry permit holder is statistically less likely to commit a crime than a commissioned police officer. Why does the guy less likely to commit crimes deserve to be treated like a criminal and the cop deserve every possible advantage in his case.
Not true.
Cool stories
Well, they do effecrly police the comments
I don’t understand why cops would need so many things after a shooting. Why would you keep your gun, cell phone, have a buddy to hangout with, ETC.? If a person shot someone in self defense they wouldn’t get that kind of treatment. Why would the law be applied differently? This is an earnest question, but yes it is direct to something that seems to be government favoritism.
It is their job. Although it is a rare occurrence they are fully authorized to shoot if the situation deems it necessary. It is known police officers receive lots of training for these situations whereas for civilians all of that is unknown. If an officer were to shoot someone in self defense when they’re off duty in street clothes they wouldn’t receive the same treatment as if they were in uniform.
@@jake405 laughably untrue. Cops get special treatment all the time
@@jake405 additionally, that doesn’t explain why they need all this extra shit. If you’re trained then why would you need a laundry list of things and a buddy to keep you company lol
@josephrusso5518 work 12hrs straight, last call before shift ends and have a major incident happen. These people weren't just sitting around with one group of buddies chilling and relaxing. They had 12hrs of long days or worse nights of call after call.
Most interviews I've seen of suspects, they get food, drinks. Even recently cigarettes in an interview. They make it as comfortable as possible so the suspect feels able to talk. I can put up 3 videos if I looked through my history here in just the last week. I go down rabit holes of certain videos. And back to back i watched 3 interviews with the serious devil getting great treatment in an interview. So no cops don't always get the best more than regular civilians
@@josephrusso5518because as a civilian you are not subject to a criminal and policy investigation simultaneously. It’s the policy investigation that requires the seizure of a gun belt, the separation of police witnesses etc. the “special treatment” you speak of is welfare management of an employee by an employer and nothing more. If you’re not arrested as a civilian you can leave, as a police officer you cannot, hence the “special treatment”.
You're not a victim if you shot someone and they didn't shoot you. Wild that dude said that. I wonder if he maybe has ideas about killology
Just watched to see what lies you
tell .
That’s a little negative.
To protect a murderer
That’s not very thoughtful.
Should police have qualified immunity?
Should judges and government officials?
Personally I don’t think for 99% of officer involved shootings there should even be an investigation beyond the scene. Officers should just be trusted that they did what they thought was right unless there is evidence otherwise.
That's just brilliant. Police have proven themselves to have a large enough number of turds in their ranks to not be given that much trust and responsibility to determine for themselves whether an investigation is warranted. And there needs to be some internal accountability above and beyond the extremely low bar of legal justification. There are so many legally justified shootings that tho the judge may say an officer was legally justified but still not morally justified or realistically justified. The trend toward coourts giving so much latitude to officers in the name of the almighty, forever first and foremost, paramount Officer Safety has resulted in officers using officer safety as an excuse to get around constitutional protections and make things easier on themselves...and it's made it acceptable to shoot as soon as you think you have justification rather than the way it used to be, the old standard of "I had no other choice". These days, coos shoot unarmed suspects because they're afraid of getting beat up...or punched in the face...or getting their hair messed up. In a situation where back in my dad's day, he would have squared up and come home with a black eye after taking an uncooperative suspect into custody, today has a good chance of ending up in a use of lethal force. Just because you can doesn't always mean you should. And another issue is the times when officers create their own jeopardy in order to have justification. Prime example being when a subject attempts to flee a traffic stop....a simple traffic stop when the driver is known to the officers or is just a dumb scared kid who's listened to too much of the propaganda and people on the internet telling them that cops are hunting them and want to kill them for fun and it happens every day, and they freak out and try to run....far too often cops with step in front of that car or exaggerate how close they were to the car, or claiming the driver was trying to run them over so they had to dump a mag of 9mm into the passenger compartment without knowing how many people were even in the vehicle. One incident in particular comes to mind. Officer was pursuing a woman into a culdesac where she came to a stop. Then she turns around and is heading back the way she came from which is where the officer had stopped. So he hops out of his patrol vehicle, right in front of the car trying to leave the culdesac. He was safe as a kitten in his vehicle. But no, he hops out. He backs up to where he can sidestep behind his vehicle, she's driving past him trying to get back down the road and he opens up on her, ends up standing effectively right next to her car, firing at a 90 degree angle into the driver side window. Basically firing point plank into the drivers face as she's driving past him and his justification is that she would have run him over, so he had no choice...he had to blast her in the face and she drove past him in order to prevent her from running him over.... But at that point, she effectively driven past him...she can't run over him when he's standing next to the car as she's driving past him.... Of course it's ruled justified. But is it? Driving away from a police officer is not a crime punishable by death.
Yeah.. Don't say the truth on those nasty bodycam. You might face consequences, if your super doesn't have your back and loses the footage.
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That’s a very ignorant statement.
@@zachalex111 Do you even know the definition of ignorance? Hint.. It's related to ignoring a part of reality. What I stated IS part of a daily reality in this country. Doubts? I can prove it. Hundreds of videos were that exact behavior DID come out. Imagine how many instances couldn't be proven.
So who is ignorant again?