Corrections and Additions: 1. We now know that Edmontosaurus annectens had a pattern of spots on the body and stripes on the tail. Since the JFC design doesn't have any patterning, the coloration is outdated. 2. The narrator claims that Tyrannosaurus first appeared 90 mya and ruled for 25 million years. This is completely ridiculous, as T. rex is only known from rocks dating around 68-66 mya. The only tyrannosaurs present around 90 mya were basal pantyrannosaurs like Timurlengia and Suskityrannus. 3. Lemurs and fossa actually evolved after the K-Pg mass extinction and arrived there from Africa, fossa particularly appeared on Madagascar very recently, about 20 mya, so it wouldn't have mattered if all animals on Madagascar went extinct at the end of the Maastrichtian. 4. The show claims that the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs came from the Baptistina group, which while thought accurate at the time was proved false in 2011. 5. Dromaeosaurs are stated to run 40 mph, which is stupid. 10-15 mph would be more reasonable. 6. Edmontosaurus is stated to have outcompeted Tenontosaurus, despite Tenontosaurus disappearing around 108 mya while Edmontosaurus first appeared 73 mya, meaning there was about a 30 million year timegap between the two. 7. I accidentally used theory when referring to the extinction event, when I really meant to say hypothesis.
You know that edmontosaurus was T.rex’s main foods source. The only rexes that would have trouble to take it down would be sub-adults. Trex would probably lose if edmontosaurus ran away. Bc one bite from Rex would’ve incapacitated one of it but anywhere other than the tail.
@@alcyon7536 There's just as much (if not more) evidence that T. rex preyed on Triceratops than that it preyed on Edmontosaurus. Even then, Edmontosaurus could grow much larger than Tyrannosaurus, and if elephants tell us anything, it's that it's usually very difficult to kill something that's bigger than you. Plus, if Tyrannosaurus were able to kill Edmontosaurus so easily, then the hadrosaurs likely would have been hunted to extinction almost immediately. Edmontosaurus is far from defenseless, it had an extremely long and powerful tail, and was very heavily built. Even adult Tyrannosaurus would have had a difficult time taking on a full grown Edmontosaurus in a fight.
@@PaleoNerd1905 The comparison to elephants isn't a good one, as there are no land predators alive today that are anywhere close to the size of elephants, but T.rex and the average E.annectens were about the same size, and even the 15-meter ones were still only maybe two tons heavier than a rex, not exactly the same kind of size discrepancy as between an elephant and a big cat. The way I see it, the reality was in-between what you and that other guy say, Edmontosaurus could handle a T.rex but it was still very vulnerable to attack from one, like a zebra or wildebeest versus a lion.
@@PaleoNerd1905Of course it would've had trouble taking down its prey that happens with all predators. It could one-shot the prey if it chomped on important parts, if the prey ran, then I would've had a bad time. It would've been an ambush predator aiming for its neck. No edmontosaurus in their right mind would've tried to stand up to an adult T.rex, they were basically the same size with edmontosaurus a tad bit bigger, I would've run for its life since it's legs were built for speed and ended in hoof-like toes. If you think about it edmontosaurus was way more slenderly built than a T.rex so It would've been hard to knock it down. I'm not being a T.rex Fanboy, I think you are making the edmontosaurus feel like a sauropod-sized super-sayain Moose.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Your average fully grown T.rex was about 12 meters long, 4 meters tall at the head and weighted about ~7,500kg. While the average E.annectens would've been 12 meters long, 4 meters tall at the head (quadrupedally) and weighed about 6,000 kg. I see where your coming from I hate when they portray my Favorite Dinosaur group as nothing more than carnivore food, but your overrating them.
It's common for documentaries from the 2000s to give small dromeosaurs like Velociraptor and Dromeosaurus a weight of 40-45 kg. I think the faulty reasoning behind it is that they simply based the weight on mammals of similar length. Essentially they thought, "Velociraptor and Dromeosaurus are 2 meters long? So is a wolf, and they commonly reach 40-45 kg." This is ignoring how dinosaurs have different proportions than mammals. Wolves (Canis lupus) have rather short tails in comparison to their body, but dromeosaurs (and many dinosaurs overall) have tails that are half the body length, if not more. So, despite the similar length from head to tail, a wolf still has a much larger body than a Dromeosaurus. This is similar to how some people will claim "Walking with Dinosaurs made Ornithocheirus the size of Quetzalcoatlus", but that's incorrect, since ornithocheirids and azhdarchids have very different proportions, so an Ornithocheirus with a 12-meter wingspan would still be significantly smaller than a Quetzalcoatlus in terms of body size, despite having the same wingspan.
Honestly I’m surprised that for the final episode that they didn’t have aliens teleport all the creatures from the show into one arena and have them fight in one big battle royal makes about as much since as everything else in the show
Now I'm curious, and even irritated, that we didn't see a Rex battle a bull Edmontosaurus. Boy, that could have been awesome! Although, nothing irritates me about this show more than the fact that neither Triceratops or Ankylosaurus weren't pitted against T.rex, or even mentioned in the show, as far as I remember! Now I feel bad for ole' Rex, knowing nearly every animal they coexisted with was about as dangerous as them!
Ankylosaurus actually was mentioned in River of Death, but they falsely claim it coexisted with Albertosaurus. It's certainly possible that they mentioned Triceratops once or twice, I didn't bother to check. Either way, yeah, this show really wasted its use of Tyrannosaurus.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Totally agree with you on that! I mean what documentary would not pick two most iconic dinosaurs againts each other!?(that also coexisted)
But would it be much of a fight?A bull Edmontosaurus could weigh 15 tons,about double the size of T-Rex,I doubt even Scotty would have an easy time with an Edmontosaurus
Frankly this episode would've made more sense if the T.rex had been involved more. Say the T.rex caught the lone bull out alone and had injured it in an ambush (a very likely scenario given these large animals wouldn't be very swift) and it had run into the Acheroraptor's territory. Normally the group wouldn't dare attack a giant like this but the smell of blood excites them and perhaps like you suggested either their eggs were in danger or they were starving. The fight occurs meanwhile the T.rex has been tracking its wounded quarry until it finds it either dead of its injuries or trapped in the woods with nowhere to run and finishes it off. As for how the tail got separated, probably fell off the body because of decomposition and possibly in addition to the T.rex crushing at the bones around that area when feeding. As for dromeasaurs being anti-social, I don't necessarily agree with raptors and crocodiles being a good comparison since they have notable social behavior and intelligence for their kind. Animals like the Cuban crocodile for instance have been proven capable of learning a given name and counting, something more associated with social creatures and on top of that Nile crocodiles sometimes live in gangs within a particular area, showing they are capable of social structure. And the Harris Hawk is renowned for hunting in coordinated packs of up to six animals, so it's not absurd that dinosaurs would have social capabilities to some degree. And cannibalism doesn't disprove that, social animals like wolves have been known to feed on other wolves as have lions and chimpanzees. Were they lizard-wolves who attacked the giant herbivores? No, of course not. But group hunting as shown with the Harris Hawk can be used against small game as well, so given their inability to pursue prey for very long, perhaps they would drive small game towards other members of their family for an ambush. On the note of Tyrannosaurus not attacking Edmontosaurus, this 1996 paper dictates that it along with Triceratops were T.rex's preferred choice of prey www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02724634.1996.10011297?journalCode=ujvp20, a 2002 paper concluded adult Triceratops were well within the range of prey www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0891296021000050755?src=recsys and in 2013 an article proposed a very similar scenario as evidence of T.rex being a predator www.pnas.org/content/110/31/12560 (note this isn't the infamous broken vertebrae that so happens to fit a T.rex tooth, which I know has been debunked, this is evidence showing a chunk of tooth directly within the bone along with other cases). It seems that this animal was fairly common prey for Tyrannosaurus, and even adults were very likely on the menu. Would a 15 meter, 10 ton animal just roll over and die? Of course not, but to declare it as impossible for a 7-9 ton hypercarnivore with bone crushing jaws to bring down is absurd. Now something like Alamosaurus.....that's pushing it, but allegedly even this wasn't completely off the menu www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-tyrannosaurus-chomped-sauropods-67170161/#:~:text=Discoveries%20in%20New%20Mexico%2C%20Utah,certainly%20preyed%20on%20titanic%20sauropods.
I've got a question about something Dinosaur George states in this episode. Before the recreation of the fight is shown, he's discussing why it seems the Duckbill had already been killed before the T-Rex showed up and states that the Duckbill's tail would have been one of the Rex's "natural targets" and if the T-Rex had attacked and killed the Duckbill, the bones of the tail would have been pulverized and crushed. The part about the Rex wanting to target the tail is the part that's confusing me. I can kind of see how such a strategy might work: Grab the Duckbill's tail to yank it off-balance and trip it, then pin it to the ground with your foot before it can get back up and finish it with a full-force bite to the neck or skull to kill it as quickly as possible. Any thoughts from you about that?
The ancestors of lemurs and fossas didn't appear until the Eocene and they didn't evolve on Madagascar, they arrived there from Africa, the ancestors of fossas only arriving on the island very recently. So a total mass extinction on Madagascar during the Maastrichtian wouldn't have mattered for them.
What about the part where the narrator says that T.rex showed up 90 million years ago and ruled its environment for 25 million years. Yes, they said that in this episode as well.
The whole "raptor hand gestures" line is still absolutely hilarious to me. Outdated information in older-ish documentaries is one thing, I can accept that. Then there's just making crap up and claiming its something scientists say.
Great video,the fact that the history channel completely ignored all we know about dromeosaurids ,feathers ,non pronated hands to that form wings, ossified tails & the like is ridiculous , it could have been accurate but no they went with the stupid Jurassic Park bipedal lizard crap!
When the show makes statements like the hand signals or mimicking prey noises, if they're just pulling something out of their ass or if it's some theory from Dinosaur George
Question about the estimated size ranges for Edmontosaurus Annectens that you mentioned (the possibility of it being nearly 50 feet long). If those measurements are accurate, does that make it bigger than Shangtungosaurus?
No, because Shantungosaurus could reach 16.6 meters (54 feet) in length and weigh as much as 18 US tons (16 metric tonnes). The largest Edmontosaurus annectens would have grown to about 15 meters (49 feet) and weigh 10 US tons (9 metric tonnes). Both were large animals, but Shantungosaurus takes home the prize as the largest known hadrosaur.
To be fair, some birds can mimic the sounds of other animals. Which is where I’m guessing the whole thing with Dromaeosaurus being able to mimic the sounds of their prey comes from.
5:55 Well, there was an actual sauropod that coexisted with E. annectens, and it was colossal one, Alamosaurus, whose fossils have been found from Texas all the way up to Wyoming. A lot of people tend to forget about Alamosaurus or undermine its prominence in Laramidia by incorrectly stating that it was exclusive to the far south. Also, you say Archeroraptor was 3 m long? Every size estimate I've ever seen place it as being the same size as Velociraptor and Dromeosaurus, even the size chart you showed show it as 2 m long.
I found very little evidence that Alamosaurus and Edmontosaurus would have interacted, as they aren't found in any of the same sites, and Alamosaurus tends to be further south while Edmontosaurus tends to be further north. While they did both live in Laramidia during the Maastrichtian, I was focusing mainly on dinosaurs from the Hell Creek, Lance, Scollard, and Laramie Formations, none of which possess sauropod fossils, indicating that giant hadrosaurs likely replaced them in northern Laramidia. Yeah, the Acheroraptor size thing is a legitimate error. Thanks for pointing that out!
@@PaleoNerd1905 But Alamosaurus has been found alongside animals that coexisted with Edmontosaurus, like T.rex and Triceratops in places like North Horn Formation in Utah and Evanston Formation in Wyoming, and Edmontosaurus has likewise been found in Wyoming and as far south as Colorado. Like I've said, the idea that Alamosaurus was restricted to the south is a misnomer, and it's no surprise that giant titanosaurs don't tend to fossilize easily, hence why most specimens are fragmentary. Its absence in the Hell Creek, Lance, Scollard and Laramie Formations, to me, sounds like preservation bias more than anything, and given how we've only recently discovered small animals like Anzu and Dakotaraptor, there could still be a lot to learn about the fauna of those formations. As Alamosaurus was a high-browser many times bigger than even a 15-meter duckbill, it's not like they would have been competitors, if anything the massive size of Edmontosaurus might have been it trying to fill up the niche of mid-sized sauropods. Given the existing evidence, Alamosaurus overlapping with animals known from Hell Creek and Lance sounds pretty plausible, and asking for direct evidence like specifically fiding them in the same formation as every single animal found int he former is just splitting hairs at this point. And just for comparison, nobody makes a big deal when Quetzalcoatlus northropi appears in Montana or South Dakota, even though it's only known from Texas, while the fragmentary fossils of azhdarchids from the north like in Hell Creek or Lance are much smaller in size and unlikely to be the same species, if they are even Quetzalcoatlus.
Fixing JFC: Ep 11: A group of Edmontosaurus are walking in the woods.Alongside the march,2 Archaeoraptor are searching for food,but found nothing,expect somd Alphadons.But the two Archaeoraptors are hearing a big stomp,anc hide.A Tyrannosaurus is searchkng for food too,and find a Ankylosaurus.The T.rex is trying to move towards the Ankylosaurus,but the Ankylosaurus swings his cub,and almost hits the T.rex. With this near death experience,the prehistoric tank scares the T.rex away,and the T.rex walks in the woods a bit more. The Archaeoraptors try to follow the T.rex,wich finally finds the Edmontosaurus herd,wich the T.rex scares away rest of the herd,and catches,and kills the slowest Edmontosaurus in the herd,before it could unleash it's tail swipe.The raptors try to sneak into the T.rex,but the T.rex notices them,and the two Raptors are running away,with the T.rex chasing them for some time,but then the T.rex stops.One of the Archaeos got a little bit of meat,but they get crushed by an Alamosaurus,befors starting the feast. Ep 12: A T.rex family is looking for some food in Montana,66 mya. They find a herd of Alamosaurus,but there is a big,big problem with that:Alamosaurus is too big for a T.rex to hunt it down. The family is trying to find a juvenile one around the same size as them,and they are pretty lucky,because there is a 15 m long juvenile in the herd. The hunt begins. Somd of the fsmily starts to scare away the rest of the herd,wich fails,but gets the attention of the Alamosaurses,but then the other half of the family hunts down the juvenile.Then the Alamos notice,that the juvenile has been killed,and continue the marching.but a Meteor then blasts into the Mexico gulf,and destroys almost all life on the planet.The T.rex family losed some memberd,but they began a journey to find a new place.The family started to starve,and the only thing they could do is eating each other.1 million year later,there were not that much dinosaurs.The last ones were Zanabazar,a Troodontid from Mongolia.But even they get frozen pretty quickly.Bugs and insects and somd prehistoric birds were the survivors of this meneacing time.
You missed 2 more inaccuracies, the show said that dromaeosaurs can run up to 40 miles per hour, and the show said that edmontosaurus out competed tenontosaurus.
I'm glad you didn't focus too much on the Armageddon episode. I honestly skip that episode every time I re-watch Jurassic Fight Club. So which series is next for you? Monsters Resurrected? I hope so, and I hope fellow Prehistory-content producer Scanova The Carnotaurus gets to that series soon too, because I REALLY can't wait to hear the two of you rip that show (mainly the Spinosaurus episode) to absolute SHREDS.
@@batspidey7611 Yeah, I found that out myself recently. That sucks, because I really enjoyed hearing both of their interpretations of shows like these.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Okay I was wrong about lemurs, apparently primates did evolve in the late cretaceous and make it to Madagascar a good 75 mya, woops. But I was right about the foosa since carivorans only split into the feliforms and caniforms 42 mya, with their ancestor only arriving in Madagascar within the last 20 mya.
Acheroraptor no, the other two are a maybe. Alamosaurus is not known from Hell Creek, but it is present in contemporary formations further south, like Ojo Alamo, Javelina, and Black Peaks. In Ojo Alamo specifically, there is a tyrannosaur which is very likely Tyrannosaurus rex, but the hadrosaurs found there seem to consist of a lambeosaurine similar to Hypacrosaurus and a saurolophin similar to Saurolophus, as well as others similar to or belonging to Edmontosaurus and Kritosaurus. The dromaeosaur known from this formation was the recently described Dineobellator, which was slightly larger than Acheroraptor and closely related as a fellow velociraptorine. Other dinosaurs found there include the oviraptorosaur Ojoraptorsaurus, an indeterminate ornithomimid and troodontid, the nodosaur Glyptodontopelta, an indeterminate ankylosaurid, and ceratopsians like Ojoceratops, Torosaurus utahensis, and one that resembles Eotriceratops. This may change in the future, but the conclusion I draw from the information currently available is that Hell Creek and Ojo Alamo shared similar fauna, but most of them were either a different species or genus, which could indicate that something separated these two formations to prevent faunal interchange. The possible presence of T. rex in Ojo Alamo could disprove this notion, or it could simply be an outlier.
You mentioned acheroraptor in t.rex hunter, and you said it was the species that had the same model for deinonychus, and the show said that t.rex could pick up vibrations through its feet, is that true?
Absolutely, although I do plan to cover other documentaries first. The plan is Monsters Resurrected next, then Dinosaur Revolution, then the Walking with series in the order that each entry came out (Dinosaurs, Beasts, Big Al, Cavemen, Monsters, Chased by Dinosaurs, Sea Monsters, and the movie).
I think it's better if you review all Walking With installments in chronological order (Monsters, Dinosaurs, Big Al, Chased by Dinosaurs and Sea Monsters, the movie, Beasts, and Cavemen).
an idea spawned from that Tail Fossil and it gose something like this: The Edmontosaurus are sleeping, The T-rex is stalking them, then BOOM! The Rex Grabs it but ends up ripping it off.
1 question. We know that Hadrosaurs and Ceratopsians live in herds but do you think that Hadrosaurs and Ceratopsians would have more complex hierarchies in their herds or harems in their herds, or do you think they're not smart enough to make those complex social stuctures and when the predator comes, everyone just stampedes and leave the weak to die?
The dromeosaurs said they were going to kill the T-rex but the T-rex said they can't do that because I am protected by bias after the spinosaurus indecent.
I doubt a fully grown Edmontosaurus would actually be stong enough to fend off a fully grown Tyrannosaurus. Yeah, it had a long, beefy tail, but it was almost entirely used for balance, and was very stiff. If it tried using it as a weapon against such a large animal it would most likely break. And the size difference between a large Edmontosaurus and the average Tyrannosaurus isn't even that big. That's not even mentioning the fact that most Edmontosaurus didn't even reach the sizes most people attribute them to. Instead, they would've been smaller and lighter than your average Tyrannosaurus most of the time. The only effective weapons an Edmontosaurus has is biting and whacking, using its powerful forelimbs and beak to ward off smaller predators, but to use as a last line of defence against larger ones, such as Tyrannosaurus. I'm not saying in any way that it would be easy for a fully grown Tyrannosaurus to take one down, I'm just saying Edmontosaurus isn't nearly as strong as most people make it out to be. Sometimes, Size ISN'T everything. Also, the fact that we have so little evidence of conflict between rex and annectens compared to rex and trike could be rounded up to the fact that, unlike Triceratops, Edmontosaurus would've been running away much more, avoiding conflict whenever possible. As well as the fact that they may have lived in much larger herds for protection. Also, Elephants are like a hundred times larger than lions, so that comparison isn't very fair. A better comparison would be mid sized to large antelope and lions, a tough hunt for a single lion, but not exactly lethal. Though I have no problem imagining any healthy, adult Edmontosaur trampling an entire pack of raptors.
I do think that this show had potential, it was just handled poorly and was made with a more awesomebro agenda in mind. I do plan to make a video talking about how I would improve Jurassic Fight Club once I finish with the analysis.
@@PaleoNerd1905 hello I know George in real life and he is an extremely cool dude I always felt like him and every other paleontologist were given a script to read off of
... 19:07 You mean hypothesis. This is a reoccuring theme in your videos. In scientific context theory has a vastly different meaning: "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. -AAAS". Sorry but it annoys the hell out of me, just like when stupid people say that "Evolution is JUST a theory" while they totaly missuse the meaning of the word. Otherwise I enjoy your content. (If you would not use it in scientific context I would not care)
They could have just made the Edmontosaurus weak and injured and either an old bull wandering off to die or a young baby who got separated in a river crossing if they really wanted this fight to happen. Heck, you could even make the Edmontosaurus a mother trying to hide in the bushes in the middle of a prolonged attempt to lay her eggs. There are so many ways to separate an Edmontosaurus from the herd in a far less vague way. And it would give the lil nuggets a reason to go after it other than them being angry gremlins.
Ariel Nunez wow. So Walking with Dinosaurs actually got that part right. It (the Anatotitan) has some spots on the body and something of a striped pattern on the tail.
I looked it up, and it's spelled Baptistina, and refers to a specific group of asteroids. The theory was that the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs came from this group, but it was disproved in 2011, after the show aired, meaning this is Science Marching On. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptistina_family
No the show was released BEFORE the 2013 study that stated the extinction happens 66 mya. At the time the documentary was made 65 was still present. Archeoraptor was discovered in 2011 and named in 2013. Oh and they are teeth in Alaska and the lance formation that indicate that dromaeosaurus was possibly around at the end of the Cretaceous (they look very similar)
I'm aware that Acheroraptor was described after the show: I said it several times. I wasn't aware of the reason for the changed extinction date though.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Ignore the acheroraptor part, I did not get the time to watch the whole video ( i do apologize). But the reason it changed (despite the change being flawed) was due to new technologies being tested
Hello, my teen ASD son wanted to comment: Lemurs live in one country outside of Madagascar: the Comoros Islands. Plus there're also tenrecs, falanoucs, vontsiras and quote-unquote "Malagasy civets" and "mongooses" that aren't actually that are also endemic to the island, but whatever. This is completely irrelevant but that disclaimer in the opening's kinda pointless, but that's irrelevant.
Do you like edmontosaurus annectens paleo nerd? This dinosaur is one of my favorite herbivorous dinosaur(the other is polacanthus sauropod therizinosaurus and stegosaur)
@@SilverSnook7966 Yea while I think the T. rex would go for the youngest and weakest (obvi) it could probably take on an adult male edmontosaurus. Maybe. Like matching a rhino up against a lion…actually maybe the T. rex would lose…
@@PaleoNerd1905 Please make , Gigantoraptor is carnivores ???? I really no believe in this , and the episode with predator X is very very boring comparated with walking with dinosaurs
@@liverstealer2374 Well , for me the worst error in Planet Dinosaur documentary is the introduction of Hatzegopteryx , the size of animals (pterosaurs) like Quetzalcoatlus , Aerotitan , Arambourgiania .... Azhdarchidae genus , the scientists came to the conclusion on wat these animals are unable to fly because of your size , like ostrich compared to other birds , animals like this (Azhdarchidae genus) no having predators , his size and his beak displaced the other animals ...........
This is pretty much the only time the dinos in this show make a sensible decision that real animals would make. If a huge, predatory animal wants to steal your kill, let them. You are not fighting anything that's more than twice your size and weight, no matter how many friends you have.
You know honestly how the hell is the history channel still called the history channel it literally only talks about aliens nowadays also those teeth could also belong to the species known as Dakota raptor
I can’t wait to hear your rant about this piece of garbage show they call a documentary. I also can’t wait for you to cover Monsters Resurrected and rant about the most horrific monster they call a Spinosaurus. Can you cover a two-part South Korean paleo-documentary called Tarbosaurus: The Mightiest Ever after Monsters Resurrected? There’s a lot of things wrong with it, like a really stupid hunt scene between a pack of Velociraptors and a Tsintaosaurus.
Monsters Resurrected is next once I finish Jurassic Fight Club. I've heard of the Tarbosaurus documentary, and I do plan to cover it, although it might take a while.
The largest Edmontosaurus annectens, code named “X-rex” reached 15 meters in length and weighed 18 tons, even the largest of Tyrannosaurus would not stand a chance against a full-grown Edmontosaurus, much less Archeoraptors which were more than a thousand times smaller.
Out of all the episodes, I did find this the most outrageous though entertaining. That said, I find that the mistake they made with this show was attempting to be educational and stretching the envolope. For the level of hype they were going for, I'm hard pressed to believe they could make a accurate depiction of dinosaur conflict and be as exciting as they hoped. If they put a disclaimer that this show is meant to be wholely speculative and the information isn't accurate, the show might've had a better time. In a real life scenario, the most conflict we would expect from dromaeosaurs is intimidating each other over a carcass and likely avoiding any unnecessary fights due to their fragility and focus primarily on smaller prey.. Birds of prey definitely don't risk attacking an animal larger than itself unless it has a convenient way of killing them like dropping them off a cliff or how martial eagles will attack ungalets through striking the neck and back. Idk They can't make such a outrageous fight scene and be accurate, that's why the Jurassic Park series remains popular, utterly no attempt to be credible beyond what there stories lore suggests and it's working for them.
Wait a minute. Didn’t Tyrannosaurus and Edmontosaurus annectens live with the titanosaurian sauropod Alamosaurus, which was the largest dinosaur in the region.
Alamosaurus has only been found in formations further south, specifically in Texas and New Mexico, with no fossil evidence of any Maastrichtian sauropods further north in places like Montana, Wyoming, and Canada.
This Edmontosaurus is the most annoying dinosaur in the show. He would have one hell of a sore throat by roaring so much, which is something dinosaurs couldn’t actually do.
Large theropods: likely growled, hissed and bellowed Small theropods: likely made bird-like sounds and hissed Sauropods: likely made whale-like vocalizations, as whales do not have vocal cords and the sounds that they make are linked to their lungs Ornithopods: likely bellowed and growled
I think the idea that a Trex would have 0 chance against an adult Edmontosaurus seems to be going too far in the other direction. The comparison wouldn't be an elephant against a lion but an elephant against an elephant-sized lion. Or a tiger against a buffalo. No easy prey and hunting it could lead to death but definitely not impossible
Alamosaurus lived further south than Edmontosaurus did, with no evidence of the two overlapping. And Sauroposeidon went extinct about 40 million years before Edmontosaurus even evolved.
T rex head is weight 1 ton and edmontosaurus annectens weight is 6 ton goddamn!!!! How paleotologist in the show think t rex can carry the bull edmontosaurus corpse
Despite i said like sauropod but in childhood age i don t interest sauropod but when i become teenage i found that the sauropod is interesting prehistoric animal
It's still inaccurate. The point of these videos is to compare the show's portrayal of prehistoric animals to how we currently understand them, which include things in said show which are now outdated. As such, I still point out these inaccuracies, although I don't count those inaccuracies against the show because as you said they couldn't have known. Inaccuracies are only counted against the show if they were accurate at the time it was made, if it is simply Science Marching On, then the show doesn't receive any criticism for it, but it is still acknowledged so that people know that is the case.
Can I say this blue, big one, the leading female in the lost world and the jp3 pack leader are smarter than the Acura raptor pack leader despite the to pack leaders in up and TLW being agrasive
Also the atrosaraptors and pyroraptor in JWD who were also aggressive and the atrosaraptors were like they were from the military and the pyroraptor swimming they are smarter than this”alpha” even though the atrosaraptors were housing military commands
When was boy i was watch scene that t rex grab edmontosaurus body without bother but when i watch this scene in teenage i have a second thought My think :Wtf!!!! The tailless adult edmontosaurus body is so heavy and bigger than t rex head the trex can t carry the corpse
What T-rex less dangerous? I have rather seen a video where a cheetah is caught by a croc by its tail while the deer it gave chase to gets eaten a little away from it and it manages to get away, same with a nile croc who can drown zebras ambush a lion in water but a second later they both came up and swim opposite way, I think a Carnivore will always be stronger than a Herbivore of similiar size.
While I do understand you're analysis, it is pretty wrong. First off, Zebras are dangerous and carnivores don't always succeed on hunting them. Mostly in ambush (like crocodiles) or in packs, which is a huge advantage. Second, Edmotosaurus was more robust than T rex and had a larger tail, neck and legs. It had a lower center of gravity. Edmotosaurus was physically stronger than T rex. Also, there are evidence of pigs butting lionesses off when not escaping from them. Herbivores are just as strong and dangerous as carnivores. A deer that rams a cheetah can kill it very easily, so predators can be careful when facing prey just as much as a prey should.
Corrections and Additions:
1. We now know that Edmontosaurus annectens had a pattern of spots on the body and stripes on the tail. Since the JFC design doesn't have any patterning, the coloration is outdated.
2. The narrator claims that Tyrannosaurus first appeared 90 mya and ruled for 25 million years. This is completely ridiculous, as T. rex is only known from rocks dating around 68-66 mya. The only tyrannosaurs present around 90 mya were basal pantyrannosaurs like Timurlengia and Suskityrannus.
3. Lemurs and fossa actually evolved after the K-Pg mass extinction and arrived there from Africa, fossa particularly appeared on Madagascar very recently, about 20 mya, so it wouldn't have mattered if all animals on Madagascar went extinct at the end of the Maastrichtian.
4. The show claims that the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs came from the Baptistina group, which while thought accurate at the time was proved false in 2011.
5. Dromaeosaurs are stated to run 40 mph, which is stupid. 10-15 mph would be more reasonable.
6. Edmontosaurus is stated to have outcompeted Tenontosaurus, despite Tenontosaurus disappearing around 108 mya while Edmontosaurus first appeared 73 mya, meaning there was about a 30 million year timegap between the two.
7. I accidentally used theory when referring to the extinction event, when I really meant to say hypothesis.
You know that edmontosaurus was T.rex’s main foods source. The only rexes that would have trouble to take it down would be sub-adults. Trex would probably lose if edmontosaurus ran away. Bc one bite from Rex would’ve incapacitated one of it but anywhere other than the tail.
@@alcyon7536 There's just as much (if not more) evidence that T. rex preyed on Triceratops than that it preyed on Edmontosaurus. Even then, Edmontosaurus could grow much larger than Tyrannosaurus, and if elephants tell us anything, it's that it's usually very difficult to kill something that's bigger than you. Plus, if Tyrannosaurus were able to kill Edmontosaurus so easily, then the hadrosaurs likely would have been hunted to extinction almost immediately. Edmontosaurus is far from defenseless, it had an extremely long and powerful tail, and was very heavily built. Even adult Tyrannosaurus would have had a difficult time taking on a full grown Edmontosaurus in a fight.
@@PaleoNerd1905 The comparison to elephants isn't a good one, as there are no land predators alive today that are anywhere close to the size of elephants, but T.rex and the average E.annectens were about the same size, and even the 15-meter ones were still only maybe two tons heavier than a rex, not exactly the same kind of size discrepancy as between an elephant and a big cat. The way I see it, the reality was in-between what you and that other guy say, Edmontosaurus could handle a T.rex but it was still very vulnerable to attack from one, like a zebra or wildebeest versus a lion.
@@PaleoNerd1905Of course it would've had trouble taking down its prey that happens with all predators. It could one-shot the prey if it chomped on important parts, if the prey ran, then I would've had a bad time. It would've been an ambush predator aiming for its neck. No edmontosaurus in their right mind would've tried to stand up to an adult T.rex, they were basically the same size with edmontosaurus a tad bit bigger, I would've run for its life since it's legs were built for speed and ended in hoof-like toes. If you think about it edmontosaurus was way more slenderly built than a T.rex so It would've been hard to knock it down. I'm not being a T.rex Fanboy, I think you are making the edmontosaurus feel like a sauropod-sized super-sayain Moose.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Your average fully grown T.rex was about 12 meters long, 4 meters tall at the head and weighted about ~7,500kg. While the average E.annectens would've been 12 meters long, 4 meters tall at the head (quadrupedally) and weighed about 6,000 kg. I see where your coming from I hate when they portray my Favorite Dinosaur group as nothing more than carnivore food, but your overrating them.
For the people who made JFC and thought that feathers aren’t scary for dinosaurs, go fight a cassowary.
Nice and the people on this show should joke so they can be scared
17:42 Edmontosaurus: *exists*
Acheroraptor: COWABUNGA IT IS
Stupid awesomebro-ism and sensationalism in a paleo-documentary in a nutshell.
Indeed
It's common for documentaries from the 2000s to give small dromeosaurs like Velociraptor and Dromeosaurus a weight of 40-45 kg. I think the faulty reasoning behind it is that they simply based the weight on mammals of similar length. Essentially they thought, "Velociraptor and Dromeosaurus are 2 meters long? So is a wolf, and they commonly reach 40-45 kg." This is ignoring how dinosaurs have different proportions than mammals. Wolves (Canis lupus) have rather short tails in comparison to their body, but dromeosaurs (and many dinosaurs overall) have tails that are half the body length, if not more. So, despite the similar length from head to tail, a wolf still has a much larger body than a Dromeosaurus. This is similar to how some people will claim "Walking with Dinosaurs made Ornithocheirus the size of Quetzalcoatlus", but that's incorrect, since ornithocheirids and azhdarchids have very different proportions, so an Ornithocheirus with a 12-meter wingspan would still be significantly smaller than a Quetzalcoatlus in terms of body size, despite having the same wingspan.
Dinosaur is not long half of it body but is also muscular
Speaking about ornithocheirid thailand has ornithocheirid too but too bad it unnamed
Honestly I’m surprised that for the final episode that they didn’t have aliens teleport all the creatures from the show into one arena and have them fight in one big battle royal makes about as much since as everything else in the show
That actually sounds like something I would watch.
Now I'm curious, and even irritated, that we didn't see a Rex battle a bull Edmontosaurus. Boy, that could have been awesome!
Although, nothing irritates me about this show more than the fact that neither Triceratops or Ankylosaurus weren't pitted against T.rex, or even mentioned in the show, as far as I remember!
Now I feel bad for ole' Rex, knowing nearly every animal they coexisted with was about as dangerous as them!
Ankylosaurus actually was mentioned in River of Death, but they falsely claim it coexisted with Albertosaurus. It's certainly possible that they mentioned Triceratops once or twice, I didn't bother to check. Either way, yeah, this show really wasted its use of Tyrannosaurus.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Totally agree with you on that!
I mean what documentary would not pick two most iconic dinosaurs againts each other!?(that also coexisted)
Would have been insane!
@@PaleoNerd1905 Yeah they did mention Triceratops a couple of times.
But would it be much of a fight?A bull Edmontosaurus could weigh 15 tons,about double the size of T-Rex,I doubt even Scotty would have an easy time with an Edmontosaurus
Finally made it to the end, gonna get some snacks for this.
I hope they were delicious. 😋
I'll go get the popcorn 👌
Frankly this episode would've made more sense if the T.rex had been involved more. Say the T.rex caught the lone bull out alone and had injured it in an ambush (a very likely scenario given these large animals wouldn't be very swift) and it had run into the Acheroraptor's territory. Normally the group wouldn't dare attack a giant like this but the smell of blood excites them and perhaps like you suggested either their eggs were in danger or they were starving. The fight occurs meanwhile the T.rex has been tracking its wounded quarry until it finds it either dead of its injuries or trapped in the woods with nowhere to run and finishes it off. As for how the tail got separated, probably fell off the body because of decomposition and possibly in addition to the T.rex crushing at the bones around that area when feeding.
As for dromeasaurs being anti-social, I don't necessarily agree with raptors and crocodiles being a good comparison since they have notable social behavior and intelligence for their kind. Animals like the Cuban crocodile for instance have been proven capable of learning a given name and counting, something more associated with social creatures and on top of that Nile crocodiles sometimes live in gangs within a particular area, showing they are capable of social structure. And the Harris Hawk is renowned for hunting in coordinated packs of up to six animals, so it's not absurd that dinosaurs would have social capabilities to some degree. And cannibalism doesn't disprove that, social animals like wolves have been known to feed on other wolves as have lions and chimpanzees. Were they lizard-wolves who attacked the giant herbivores? No, of course not. But group hunting as shown with the Harris Hawk can be used against small game as well, so given their inability to pursue prey for very long, perhaps they would drive small game towards other members of their family for an ambush.
On the note of Tyrannosaurus not attacking Edmontosaurus, this 1996 paper dictates that it along with Triceratops were T.rex's preferred choice of prey www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02724634.1996.10011297?journalCode=ujvp20, a 2002 paper concluded adult Triceratops were well within the range of prey www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0891296021000050755?src=recsys and in 2013 an article proposed a very similar scenario as evidence of T.rex being a predator www.pnas.org/content/110/31/12560 (note this isn't the infamous broken vertebrae that so happens to fit a T.rex tooth, which I know has been debunked, this is evidence showing a chunk of tooth directly within the bone along with other cases). It seems that this animal was fairly common prey for Tyrannosaurus, and even adults were very likely on the menu. Would a 15 meter, 10 ton animal just roll over and die? Of course not, but to declare it as impossible for a 7-9 ton hypercarnivore with bone crushing jaws to bring down is absurd. Now something like Alamosaurus.....that's pushing it, but allegedly even this wasn't completely off the menu www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-tyrannosaurus-chomped-sauropods-67170161/#:~:text=Discoveries%20in%20New%20Mexico%2C%20Utah,certainly%20preyed%20on%20titanic%20sauropods.
What about using Dakotaraptor instead of Dromaeosaurus ？
@@伊斯塔與艾蕾修卡都是 It makes a little less sense for a man sized predator to group up in T.rex country than dog sized ones
Dear Paleo Nerd: Your commentary and videos are FAR MORE ENTERTAINING THAN THE ACTUAL HISTORY CHANNEL TV SHOW ON JURASSIC PARK, ETC.
I've got a question about something Dinosaur George states in this episode. Before the recreation of the fight is shown, he's discussing why it seems the Duckbill had already been killed before the T-Rex showed up and states that the Duckbill's tail would have been one of the Rex's "natural targets" and if the T-Rex had attacked and killed the Duckbill, the bones of the tail would have been pulverized and crushed. The part about the Rex wanting to target the tail is the part that's confusing me. I can kind of see how such a strategy might work: Grab the Duckbill's tail to yank it off-balance and trip it, then pin it to the ground with your foot before it can get back up and finish it with a full-force bite to the neck or skull to kill it as quickly as possible. Any thoughts from you about that?
The ancestors of lemurs and fossas didn't appear until the Eocene and they didn't evolve on Madagascar, they arrived there from Africa, the ancestors of fossas only arriving on the island very recently. So a total mass extinction on Madagascar during the Maastrichtian wouldn't have mattered for them.
Imagine how funny it would be seeing a dinosaur giving the finger.
How funny would it be if a T. rex tried to do that but realized it didn’t have a middle finger
That’s actually something that happened in the Jurassic World AU fanfic “It’s Not The Raptor DNA”
What about the part where the narrator says that T.rex showed up 90 million years ago and ruled its environment for 25 million years. Yes, they said that in this episode as well.
Huh. Must have missed that part.
He might have meant Tyrannosaurs in general but even then it's still wrong.
The whole "raptor hand gestures" line is still absolutely hilarious to me. Outdated information in older-ish documentaries is one thing, I can accept that.
Then there's just making crap up and claiming its something scientists say.
Great video,the fact that the history channel completely ignored all we know about dromeosaurids ,feathers ,non pronated hands to that form wings, ossified tails & the like is ridiculous , it could have been accurate but no they went with the stupid Jurassic Park bipedal lizard crap!
These thumbnails are FUCKING HILARIOUS
When the show makes statements like the hand signals or mimicking prey noises, if they're just pulling something out of their ass or if it's some theory from Dinosaur George
Herbivorous were underrated because they didn't have jaws with sharp teeth like the carnivorous despite they were as deadly
Question about the estimated size ranges for Edmontosaurus Annectens that you mentioned (the possibility of it being nearly 50 feet long). If those measurements are accurate, does that make it bigger than Shangtungosaurus?
No, because Shantungosaurus could reach 16.6 meters (54 feet) in length and weigh as much as 18 US tons (16 metric tonnes). The largest Edmontosaurus annectens would have grown to about 15 meters (49 feet) and weigh 10 US tons (9 metric tonnes). Both were large animals, but Shantungosaurus takes home the prize as the largest known hadrosaur.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Shantungosaurus was basically a kaiju, It even lived in asia!
To be fair, some birds can mimic the sounds of other animals. Which is where I’m guessing the whole thing with Dromaeosaurus being able to mimic the sounds of their prey comes from.
5:55 Well, there was an actual sauropod that coexisted with E. annectens, and it was colossal one, Alamosaurus, whose fossils have been found from Texas all the way up to Wyoming. A lot of people tend to forget about Alamosaurus or undermine its prominence in Laramidia by incorrectly stating that it was exclusive to the far south.
Also, you say Archeroraptor was 3 m long? Every size estimate I've ever seen place it as being the same size as Velociraptor and Dromeosaurus, even the size chart you showed show it as 2 m long.
I found very little evidence that Alamosaurus and Edmontosaurus would have interacted, as they aren't found in any of the same sites, and Alamosaurus tends to be further south while Edmontosaurus tends to be further north. While they did both live in Laramidia during the Maastrichtian, I was focusing mainly on dinosaurs from the Hell Creek, Lance, Scollard, and Laramie Formations, none of which possess sauropod fossils, indicating that giant hadrosaurs likely replaced them in northern Laramidia.
Yeah, the Acheroraptor size thing is a legitimate error. Thanks for pointing that out!
@@PaleoNerd1905 But Alamosaurus has been found alongside animals that coexisted with Edmontosaurus, like T.rex and Triceratops in places like North Horn Formation in Utah and Evanston Formation in Wyoming, and Edmontosaurus has likewise been found in Wyoming and as far south as Colorado. Like I've said, the idea that Alamosaurus was restricted to the south is a misnomer, and it's no surprise that giant titanosaurs don't tend to fossilize easily, hence why most specimens are fragmentary. Its absence in the Hell Creek, Lance, Scollard and Laramie Formations, to me, sounds like preservation bias more than anything, and given how we've only recently discovered small animals like Anzu and Dakotaraptor, there could still be a lot to learn about the fauna of those formations. As Alamosaurus was a high-browser many times bigger than even a 15-meter duckbill, it's not like they would have been competitors, if anything the massive size of Edmontosaurus might have been it trying to fill up the niche of mid-sized sauropods. Given the existing evidence, Alamosaurus overlapping with animals known from Hell Creek and Lance sounds pretty plausible, and asking for direct evidence like specifically fiding them in the same formation as every single animal found int he former is just splitting hairs at this point. And just for comparison, nobody makes a big deal when Quetzalcoatlus northropi appears in Montana or South Dakota, even though it's only known from Texas, while the fragmentary fossils of azhdarchids from the north like in Hell Creek or Lance are much smaller in size and unlikely to be the same species, if they are even Quetzalcoatlus.
Fixing JFC:
Ep 11:
A group of Edmontosaurus are walking in the woods.Alongside the march,2 Archaeoraptor are searching for food,but found nothing,expect somd Alphadons.But the two Archaeoraptors are hearing a big stomp,anc hide.A Tyrannosaurus is searchkng for food too,and find a Ankylosaurus.The T.rex is trying to move towards the Ankylosaurus,but the Ankylosaurus swings his cub,and almost hits the T.rex. With this near death experience,the prehistoric tank scares the T.rex away,and the T.rex walks in the woods a bit more. The Archaeoraptors try to follow the T.rex,wich finally finds the Edmontosaurus herd,wich the T.rex scares away rest of the herd,and catches,and kills the slowest Edmontosaurus in the herd,before it could unleash it's tail swipe.The raptors try to sneak into the T.rex,but the T.rex notices them,and the two Raptors are running away,with the T.rex chasing them for some time,but then the T.rex stops.One of the Archaeos got a little bit of meat,but they get crushed by an Alamosaurus,befors starting the feast.
Ep 12:
A T.rex family is looking for some food in Montana,66 mya. They find a herd of Alamosaurus,but there is a big,big problem with that:Alamosaurus is too big for a T.rex to hunt it down. The family is trying to find a juvenile one around the same size as them,and they are pretty lucky,because there is a 15 m long juvenile in the herd. The hunt begins. Somd of the fsmily starts to scare away the rest of the herd,wich fails,but gets the attention of the Alamosaurses,but then the other half of the family hunts down the juvenile.Then the Alamos notice,that the juvenile has been killed,and continue the marching.but a Meteor then blasts into the Mexico gulf,and destroys almost all life on the planet.The T.rex family losed some memberd,but they began a journey to find a new place.The family started to starve,and the only thing they could do is eating each other.1 million year later,there were not that much dinosaurs.The last ones were Zanabazar,a Troodontid from Mongolia.But even they get frozen pretty quickly.Bugs and insects and somd prehistoric birds were the survivors of this meneacing time.
What a great video,and for the last episode of Jurassic Fighter Club.
You missed 2 more inaccuracies, the show said that dromaeosaurs can run up to 40 miles per hour, and the show said that edmontosaurus out competed tenontosaurus.
Thanks for letting me know!
@@PaleoNerd1905 You're welcome.
Do some dinosaurs have a throat pouch to carry the hatchlings or do the hatchlings just always follow there mother? I want to know this
Well, nobody knows yet, but the second option is morem probably
I'm glad you didn't focus too much on the Armageddon episode. I honestly skip that episode every time I re-watch Jurassic Fight Club. So which series is next for you? Monsters Resurrected? I hope so, and I hope fellow Prehistory-content producer Scanova The Carnotaurus gets to that series soon too, because I REALLY can't wait to hear the two of you rip that show (mainly the Spinosaurus episode) to absolute SHREDS.
Yes, Monsters Resurrected is next.
Sorry, Norwood, but Scanova cancelled that series.
@@batspidey7611 Yeah, I found that out myself recently. That sucks, because I really enjoyed hearing both of their interpretations of shows like these.
Don’t worry. Our pal Paleo Nerd will fill in the hole Scanova made.
32:40 both lemurs and foosa are in orders that evolved elsewhere in the world after the dinosaurs became extinct
Huh. To be fair mammals aren’t exactly my area of expertise.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Okay I was wrong about lemurs, apparently primates did evolve in the late cretaceous and make it to Madagascar a good 75 mya, woops. But I was right about the foosa since carivorans only split into the feliforms and caniforms 42 mya, with their ancestor only arriving in Madagascar within the last 20 mya.
@@PaleoNerd1905 good one!
Wasn’t this show made before Ancient Aliens?
Yes, but they're both made by History Channel, and I just couldn't resist making a joke about it.
Did Tyrannosaurus, Edmontosaurus, Acheroraptor and those other fauna coexist with Alamosaurus? (That’s a sauropod if I’m not mistaken)
Acheroraptor no, the other two are a maybe. Alamosaurus is not known from Hell Creek, but it is present in contemporary formations further south, like Ojo Alamo, Javelina, and Black Peaks. In Ojo Alamo specifically, there is a tyrannosaur which is very likely Tyrannosaurus rex, but the hadrosaurs found there seem to consist of a lambeosaurine similar to Hypacrosaurus and a saurolophin similar to Saurolophus, as well as others similar to or belonging to Edmontosaurus and Kritosaurus. The dromaeosaur known from this formation was the recently described Dineobellator, which was slightly larger than Acheroraptor and closely related as a fellow velociraptorine. Other dinosaurs found there include the oviraptorosaur Ojoraptorsaurus, an indeterminate ornithomimid and troodontid, the nodosaur Glyptodontopelta, an indeterminate ankylosaurid, and ceratopsians like Ojoceratops, Torosaurus utahensis, and one that resembles Eotriceratops.
This may change in the future, but the conclusion I draw from the information currently available is that Hell Creek and Ojo Alamo shared similar fauna, but most of them were either a different species or genus, which could indicate that something separated these two formations to prevent faunal interchange. The possible presence of T. rex in Ojo Alamo could disprove this notion, or it could simply be an outlier.
You mentioned acheroraptor in t.rex hunter, and you said it was the species that had the same model for deinonychus, and the show said that t.rex could pick up vibrations through its feet, is that true?
I'm actually not sure, as I couldn't find anything on that. My guess is that it was more speculation on the part of the show.
@@PaleoNerd1905 well modern elephants can so it’s definitely in the range of possibilities
Speaking of the Walking with series, do you plan on checking that out and reviewing it?
Absolutely, although I do plan to cover other documentaries first. The plan is Monsters Resurrected next, then Dinosaur Revolution, then the Walking with series in the order that each entry came out (Dinosaurs, Beasts, Big Al, Cavemen, Monsters, Chased by Dinosaurs, Sea Monsters, and the movie).
I think it's better if you review all Walking With installments in chronological order (Monsters, Dinosaurs, Big Al, Chased by Dinosaurs and Sea Monsters, the movie, Beasts, and Cavemen).
an idea spawned from that Tail Fossil and it gose something like this:
The Edmontosaurus are sleeping, The T-rex is stalking them, then BOOM! The Rex Grabs it but ends up ripping it off.
You should do the Jurassic park series
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1 question. We know that Hadrosaurs and Ceratopsians live in herds but do you think that Hadrosaurs and Ceratopsians would have more complex hierarchies in their herds or harems in their herds, or do you think they're not smart enough to make those complex social stuctures and when the predator comes, everyone just stampedes and leave the weak to die?
It's likely that any dinosaur herds lacked complex social bonds with the exception of those between parent and offspring.
And even that’s a stretch.
The dromeosaurs said they were going to kill the T-rex but the T-rex said they can't do that because I am protected by bias after the spinosaurus indecent.
Nah, it's because its intimidating them
The Hadrosaurs were, most common, dinosaurs at the end of the cretaceous period.
Yes they are.
That's cap.
I doubt a fully grown Edmontosaurus would actually be stong enough to fend off a fully grown Tyrannosaurus. Yeah, it had a long, beefy tail, but it was almost entirely used for balance, and was very stiff. If it tried using it as a weapon against such a large animal it would most likely break. And the size difference between a large Edmontosaurus and the average Tyrannosaurus isn't even that big. That's not even mentioning the fact that most Edmontosaurus didn't even reach the sizes most people attribute them to. Instead, they would've been smaller and lighter than your average Tyrannosaurus most of the time. The only effective weapons an Edmontosaurus has is biting and whacking, using its powerful forelimbs and beak to ward off smaller predators, but to use as a last line of defence against larger ones, such as Tyrannosaurus.
I'm not saying in any way that it would be easy for a fully grown Tyrannosaurus to take one down, I'm just saying Edmontosaurus isn't nearly as strong as most people make it out to be. Sometimes, Size ISN'T everything.
Also, the fact that we have so little evidence of conflict between rex and annectens compared to rex and trike could be rounded up to the fact that, unlike Triceratops, Edmontosaurus would've been running away much more, avoiding conflict whenever possible. As well as the fact that they may have lived in much larger herds for protection.
Also, Elephants are like a hundred times larger than lions, so that comparison isn't very fair. A better comparison would be mid sized to large antelope and lions, a tough hunt for a single lion, but not exactly lethal.
Though I have no problem imagining any healthy, adult Edmontosaur trampling an entire pack of raptors.
I have no idea why they use that hand gesture thing
Man, the show was pathetic
Definitely!
@@batspidey7611 yup
I wish this show never existed.
@@batspidey7611 I kinda like the show inside. To be fair, paleoartists like fredthedinosaurman would have never rose to any prominence
I do think that this show had potential, it was just handled poorly and was made with a more awesomebro agenda in mind. I do plan to make a video talking about how I would improve Jurassic Fight Club once I finish with the analysis.
That "oh..." following the dromeasaurus announcement and did you know that dino george is in youtube?
Yes I did know. To be fair he seems like a really cool guy, which is why I started dissing the studio and producers instead of him in these analyses.
@@PaleoNerd1905 what do you think about his dinosaur video? Also found this link on the show reptilis.net/tag/jurassic-fight-club/
@@PaleoNerd1905 hello I know George in real life and he is an extremely cool dude I always felt like him and every other paleontologist were given a script to read off of
... 19:07 You mean hypothesis. This is a reoccuring theme in your videos. In scientific context theory has a vastly different meaning: "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. -AAAS". Sorry but it annoys the hell out of me, just like when stupid people say that "Evolution is JUST a theory" while they totaly missuse the meaning of the word. Otherwise I enjoy your content. (If you would not use it in scientific context I would not care)
You're right, my apologies. I absolutely should have said hypothesis instead. Thanks for catching this!
Speaking of Ancient Aliens. Are there videos that focus on debunking all the bullshits mentioned in the show？
I don't know which is worse. Edmontosaurus vs these "raptors" or Tsintaosaurus vs "Velociraptors" from Tarbosaurus the Mightiest.
They could have just made the Edmontosaurus weak and injured and either an old bull wandering off to die or a young baby who got separated in a river crossing if they really wanted this fight to happen. Heck, you could even make the Edmontosaurus a mother trying to hide in the bushes in the middle of a prolonged attempt to lay her eggs. There are so many ways to separate an Edmontosaurus from the herd in a far less vague way. And it would give the lil nuggets a reason to go after it other than them being angry gremlins.
33:32 don’t you mean *Stupidoceratops suckitudinus?*
Still love that name for the bad Pachyrhinosaurus design.
maybe they put deinonychus in the triassic era in their timline as a small triassic theropod. maybe herrerasaurus, eoraptor or coelophysis
This whole coppa things getting out of hand, this is the 4th video in a row from a completely different channel that starts by addressing it.
I 100% agree with you.
Am I Only spotted that, The background is in Dino Episodes are ALMOST same
Does anyone think the sounds the Edmontosaurus makes are annoying?
At least it’s possibly not as annoying as the acheroraptors sounds along with the stegosaurus in WDRA
is it possible to do the coppa message in text?
Sure!
Or that video of a cat smacking an alagater on the nose
the thought of a pack of dromaeosaurs doing gang signs is so fuckin funny
You forgot to mention that Edmontosaurus annectens has been confirmed to have a pattern of spots on the body and stripes on the tail.
Ariel Nunez wow. So Walking with Dinosaurs actually got that part right. It (the Anatotitan) has some spots on the body and something of a striped pattern on the tail.
Im suprised too
He did mention it in the comments that he normally makes as the category of "additions". You can look it up, its right above you.
I made this comment before he edited his.
@@batspidey7611 oh... My bad...
You forgot another inaccuracy, the show said that Bethastina (sorry if I spelled it wrong) was the meteor that killed the dinosaurs.
I looked it up, and it's spelled Baptistina, and refers to a specific group of asteroids. The theory was that the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs came from this group, but it was disproved in 2011, after the show aired, meaning this is Science Marching On.
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptistina_family
I watched you're playlist on this and thanks for the info I love dinosaurs
Why did they put that title when there is no fight
I’m wondering the same thing.
It's really simple. To attract viewers.
Probably because a Tharapod vs a dromeasar is popular so they used it for clicbate
Do Bearded Dragons count as animals that use hand gestures?
No the show was released BEFORE the 2013 study that stated the extinction happens 66 mya. At the time the documentary was made 65 was still present. Archeoraptor was discovered in 2011 and named in 2013. Oh and they are teeth in Alaska and the lance formation that indicate that dromaeosaurus was possibly around at the end of the Cretaceous (they look very similar)
I'm aware that Acheroraptor was described after the show: I said it several times. I wasn't aware of the reason for the changed extinction date though.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Ignore the acheroraptor part, I did not get the time to watch the whole video ( i do apologize). But the reason it changed (despite the change being flawed) was due to new technologies being tested
Poor edmontosaurus
Hello, my teen ASD son wanted to comment: Lemurs live in one country outside of Madagascar: the Comoros Islands. Plus there're also tenrecs, falanoucs, vontsiras and quote-unquote "Malagasy civets" and "mongooses" that aren't actually that are also endemic to the island, but whatever. This is completely irrelevant but that disclaimer in the opening's kinda pointless, but that's irrelevant.
Do you like edmontosaurus annectens paleo nerd? This dinosaur is one of my favorite herbivorous dinosaur(the other is polacanthus sauropod therizinosaurus and stegosaur)
“Not even a Tyrannosaurus would dare fight an adult edmontosaurus”
The Tyrannosaurus tooth embedded in an edmontosaurus: am I a joke to you?
That must be a very hungry Rex
@@SilverSnook7966 Yea while I think the T. rex would go for the youngest and weakest (obvi) it could probably take on an adult male edmontosaurus. Maybe. Like matching a rhino up against a lion…actually maybe the T. rex would lose…
Actually There's 4 Achroraptors Not 5-6
Make analysis of Planet Dinosaur
That show is definitely on the list
@@PaleoNerd1905 Please make , Gigantoraptor is carnivores ???? I really no believe in this , and the episode with predator X is very very boring comparated with walking with dinosaurs
@@willianramos5650 Is still debate rather or not it is a carnivore or herbivore, most believe it was a omnivores which eat meats and plants.
@@liverstealer2374 Well , for me the worst error in Planet Dinosaur documentary is the introduction of Hatzegopteryx , the size of animals (pterosaurs) like Quetzalcoatlus , Aerotitan , Arambourgiania .... Azhdarchidae genus , the scientists came to the conclusion on wat these animals are unable to fly because of your size , like ostrich compared to other birds , animals like this (Azhdarchidae genus) no having predators , his size and his beak displaced the other animals ...........
That’s bizarre a duckbill bigger t.rex
There's also Shantungosaurus, which is even larger and lived in China.
And also an OP dinosaur in The Isle.
@@batspidey7611 and, Shant is planned to be removed from the isle, because it has broken hitbox and top op.
Paleo Nerd
Magnopaulia?
Oh that
This is pretty much the only time the dinos in this show make a sensible decision that real animals would make. If a huge, predatory animal wants to steal your kill, let them. You are not fighting anything that's more than twice your size and weight, no matter how many friends you have.
You know honestly how the hell is the history channel still called the history channel it literally only talks about aliens nowadays also those teeth could also belong to the species known as Dakota raptor
Yeah, it sucks. During the time this documentary was made, Dakotaraptor was known from fragmentary remains.
I can’t wait to hear your rant about this piece of garbage show they call a documentary. I also can’t wait for you to cover Monsters Resurrected and rant about the most horrific monster they call a Spinosaurus. Can you cover a two-part South Korean paleo-documentary called Tarbosaurus: The Mightiest Ever after Monsters Resurrected? There’s a lot of things wrong with it, like a really stupid hunt scene between a pack of Velociraptors and a Tsintaosaurus.
Monsters Resurrected is next once I finish Jurassic Fight Club. I've heard of the Tarbosaurus documentary, and I do plan to cover it, although it might take a while.
I’m sure you hate the narrator who sounds like the human version of a text-to-speech program and provides a lot of false information.
@@PaleoNerd1905 I'm excited for when you'll do Dinosaur Revolution. It's one of the better documentaries (out of the more recent ones, of course)
Ah yes, the spino that they make Godzilla size, compared to a 30 foot rugops 🤦♂️
Yeah, that was stupid.
The largest Edmontosaurus annectens, code named “X-rex” reached 15 meters in length and weighed 18 tons, even the largest of Tyrannosaurus would not stand a chance against a full-grown Edmontosaurus, much less Archeoraptors which were more than a thousand times smaller.
Bruh, I hate how the entire website is becoming G rated
Out of all the episodes, I did find this the most outrageous though entertaining. That said, I find that the mistake they made with this show was attempting to be educational and stretching the envolope. For the level of hype they were going for, I'm hard pressed to believe they could make a accurate depiction of dinosaur conflict and be as exciting as they hoped. If they put a disclaimer that this show is meant to be wholely speculative and the information isn't accurate, the show might've had a better time.
In a real life scenario, the most conflict we would expect from dromaeosaurs is intimidating each other over a carcass and likely avoiding any unnecessary fights due to their fragility and focus primarily on smaller prey.. Birds of prey definitely don't risk attacking an animal larger than itself unless it has a convenient way of killing them like dropping them off a cliff or how martial eagles will attack ungalets through striking the neck and back.
Idk They can't make such a outrageous fight scene and be accurate, that's why the Jurassic Park series remains popular, utterly no attempt to be credible beyond what there stories lore suggests and it's working for them.
Wait a minute. Didn’t Tyrannosaurus and Edmontosaurus annectens live with the titanosaurian sauropod Alamosaurus, which was the largest dinosaur in the region.
Alamosaurus has only been found in formations further south, specifically in Texas and New Mexico, with no fossil evidence of any Maastrichtian sauropods further north in places like Montana, Wyoming, and Canada.
Paleo Nerd okay then. Thank you for that
For dinosaur that not sauropod edmontosaurus anncetens is very big(edmontosaurus annectens length in 15metres)
This Edmontosaurus is the most annoying dinosaur in the show. He would have one hell of a sore throat by roaring so much, which is something dinosaurs couldn’t actually do.
That’s a common problem with this show. Most of the animals roar and bellow all the time even when there’s no reason to.
Yeah. And dinosaurs couldn’t roar anyway.
Large theropods: likely growled, hissed and bellowed
Small theropods: likely made bird-like sounds and hissed
Sauropods: likely made whale-like vocalizations, as whales do not have vocal cords and the sounds that they make are linked to their lungs
Ornithopods: likely bellowed and growled
I agree with that.
Hadrosaurs with crests can make loud, bellowing noises due to tubes that generate noise.
I like jurassic fight club dromaesaurus design because is
long face it feathred long tail and they color is pretty beautiful
I think the idea that a Trex would have 0 chance against an adult Edmontosaurus seems to be going too far in the other direction.
The comparison wouldn't be an elephant against a lion but an elephant against an elephant-sized lion. Or a tiger against a buffalo. No easy prey and hunting it could lead to death but definitely not impossible
I’m 12 but I like complex scientific terminology…
Alamosaurus : You Now What Paleo nerd am i a joke to you?
Sauroposedion : What?
Alamosaurus lived further south than Edmontosaurus did, with no evidence of the two overlapping. And Sauroposeidon went extinct about 40 million years before Edmontosaurus even evolved.
the t rex in raptor vs rex is the male rex from epesode 2 t rex killer so that explains why the rex brught the edmontosaurus carces with it
Or planet dinosaur
Under 13? Phew tomorrow I make 13 so it’s good!
Happy Birthday, man.
Ariel Nunez Thanks🙂
Your forgot the gigilly muscles
24:29
Hey wait how do you know the t rex in this episode is male
Oop! Sorry for stupid question i forgot sorry
30:46 I hate Ancient Aliens too, don't worry.
It's worse than any mafia/crime show on American Heroes Channel.😂 Also, I don't believe in aliens.
T rex head is weight 1 ton and edmontosaurus annectens weight is 6 ton goddamn!!!! How paleotologist in the show think t rex can carry the bull edmontosaurus corpse
I think you compare to many herd dinosaurs to elephant herds
what is with the ALL the constant dinosaur gang banging? is Harvey Weinstein writing the scripts? from prison??????
The narrator never says that Dromaeosaurus means Raptor. He literally says “It means swift running lizard”
I think they bringed a 5 Yr old in here name the translation
@@somegermanlegodragonthing2461
Coming from a german lego that must sting.
No the narrator DID say “Dromaeosaurus, it is the scientific name for… Raptors”
He never says anything about Dromaeosaurus MEANING “Raptor” though
In reality t rex should drag the edmontosaurus corpse not carry because adult edmontosaurus annectens is so heavy than t rex head
I think carnivorous dinosaur is cool do you think like me paleo nerd
Raptor sign language
Despite i said like sauropod but in childhood age i don t interest sauropod but when i become teenage i found that the sauropod is interesting prehistoric animal
Although i like many herbivorous dinosaur species but i am a carnivorous dinosaur fan!!
To be fair, Acheroraptor was not discovered at the time these episodes came out, and how would we have known that Edmontosaurus had spots and stripes?
It’s Science Marching On.
It's still inaccurate. The point of these videos is to compare the show's portrayal of prehistoric animals to how we currently understand them, which include things in said show which are now outdated. As such, I still point out these inaccuracies, although I don't count those inaccuracies against the show because as you said they couldn't have known. Inaccuracies are only counted against the show if they were accurate at the time it was made, if it is simply Science Marching On, then the show doesn't receive any criticism for it, but it is still acknowledged so that people know that is the case.
I understand, i just wanted to point this out. That's all.
Thanks for the reply.
9:23 yeah.......
Can I say this blue, big one, the leading female in the lost world and the jp3 pack leader are smarter than the Acura raptor pack leader despite the to pack leaders in up and TLW being agrasive
I mean jp and the lost world being aggressive even killing members of their kind
I mean the pack leaders
Do you agree paleo nerd
Also forgot the CC s 4-5 raptors on manta corp island
Also the atrosaraptors and pyroraptor in JWD who were also aggressive and the atrosaraptors were like they were from the military and the pyroraptor swimming they are smarter than this”alpha” even though the atrosaraptors were housing military commands
When was boy i was watch scene that t rex grab edmontosaurus body without bother but when i watch this scene in teenage i have a second thought
My think
:Wtf!!!! The tailless adult edmontosaurus body is so heavy and bigger than t rex head the trex can t carry the corpse
What T-rex less dangerous? I have rather seen a video where a cheetah is caught by a croc by its tail while the deer it gave chase to gets eaten a little away from it and it manages to get away, same with a nile croc who can drown zebras ambush a lion in water but a second later they both came up and swim opposite way, I think a Carnivore will always be stronger than a Herbivore of similiar size.
While I do understand you're analysis, it is pretty wrong. First off, Zebras are dangerous and carnivores don't always succeed on hunting them. Mostly in ambush (like crocodiles) or in packs, which is a huge advantage. Second, Edmotosaurus was more robust than T rex and had a larger tail, neck and legs. It had a lower center of gravity. Edmotosaurus was physically stronger than T rex. Also, there are evidence of pigs butting lionesses off when not escaping from them. Herbivores are just as strong and dangerous as carnivores. A deer that rams a cheetah can kill it very easily, so predators can be careful when facing prey just as much as a prey should.
This is the only thing that happens in stupid dinosaurs documentie
Nice RickRaptor105 reference.
i,m 11 and I completly understand