Calm explanation: I pointed my toy gun at my head and apparently that goes against guidelines! I'm not suicidal or anything of the sort, just a little dumb so it's not happening again. Emotional explanation: I POINT MY FAKE GUN AT MY HEAD FOR A JOKE AND UA-cam THINKS IM TRYING TO DIE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED PLEASE BRO NOT LIKE THIS-
It's not even funny how good she is as an all-rounder. Since she's just pure stats and minimal utility, she can pump in healing and damage, allowing everyone else to do their job more. And when... A) The other support is underperforming on healing, B) The DPS are underperforming on securing kills, ...she can easily fill for the role. She's especially a menace in the lower ranks since no one really pays attention to the rest of her team, but in higher ranks she still thrives because *peeling is still hard*, and with Juno being in the meta, along with other squishy characters like Widow, this season is perfectly optimal for the succ. The amount of BS I've managed to get myself into and out of with Moira this season is CRAZY.
@@thebigyes8482 absolutely! And with the recoil buffs, he's super strong. The main difference is that Moira has the most stupidly convenient get-out-of-jail free cards - better than most DPS, making her backline potential stupidly good. It might create bad habits, but DANG is it easy to get value by just existing and being a threat to both of their supports.
@@hamster_explorer9642 yeah had a friend that started on moira. took her around 4-5 months to learn basic positioning on DPS and other supports she wanted to try.
For the Splattershot Jr., I think it's also important to get into how the subweapon and special help the weapon be beginner-friendly. In each Splatoon title, the "vanilla" Splattershot Jr. has the Splat Bomb as it's subweapon, which is one of the easier subweapons to get value with. It has a short fuse, can easily kill enemies, deals splash damage, can be rolled and thrown, and paints a lot of territory. Its biggest weakness is that it costs most of an ink tank (which is *also* your ammo for your main weapon). However, as Rory mentioned, the Jr. is also *very* ink efficient with its main weapon and can get several shots off after using a bomb. Other weapon kits with Splat Bombs will need to budget their ink more carefully, but the Jr. has a nice bit of Main-Sub synergy that will help ease new players in. Additionally, every Splatoon title has given the Jr. an easy-to-use defensive special. Splatoon has a very short time-to-kill, so having specials that improve your lifespan is a great tool for beginners. And finally, the Jr. variants get to trend a bit more towards the "specialist" beginner characters. For instance, the Custom Splattershot Junior in each game usually comes with a sub & special designed around finding enemies hidden in the ink.
I want to add a bit more info about the Splattershot Jr for those interested. In Splat 2, the original Jr had Ink Armor - a core meta support special - and was one of the better weapons with it. It was still generally outclassed by the N-Zap 85, a weapon with a super similar toolkit (a bomb + Armor) but more overall fighting power. Jr would still get picked instead quite often though - it got Armor much more quickly because it had better paint and a cheaper special cost, and bomb spam helped it provide pressure where the main weapon couldn't so much. Also, for a while the H-3 Nozzlenose D was the Armor weapon of choice - and it had a much higher skill floor... but it got nerfed pretty heavily to where it wasn't worth the effort over Zap or Jr anymore. Definitely not the best outcome. Splatoon 3's Jr takes more after Splatoon 1's though, with more limited potential at higher levels of play once more.
Didn't even bring up quadruple bomb on the Splattershot Jr... The higher ink tank designed to help beginners could be used in a unique way at higher level play allowing the Splattershot Jr to be the only weapon able to throw 2 lethal bombs with 1 ink tank, pop special to refill the tank, and throw 2 more, denying a huge amount of space. Just because something has characteristics designed to help new players doesn't mean they have to be useless to experienced players.
100% agree with this. Jr is definitely way harder to use than splattershot which has turned into the beginner weapon imo. Jr has more skill expression than splattershot at high levels. Splattershot is more of a jack of all trades as Jr is more of a support.
Hot take: I think the overwatch devs actually did a really good job creating Moira as a beginner friendly hero. Almost every tier list since her release has put her in a solid B tier, and compared to the rest of the cast, has had little controversy aurrounding her kit. Even the few times Moira was considered meta, it was never because she herself was super powerful, but because she could make use of the circumstances surrounding the meta better than most others.
They did a good job if we're talking purely tier lists, but games are far, FAR more than just tier lists - especially team games where individual weaknesses can be somewhat mitigated by other characters (e.g. brig/zen backlines). Her kit is absolutely unconducive to creating good habits, and too often you'll see metal rank moira mains use her as a crutch instead of learning how to position/aim optimally, which typically leads to poor performance on other heroes that don't have the sheer simplicity (both mechanically and positionally) moira does.
There's another angle to the Beginner character no one really talks about: People with Disabilities, and/or Physical/Mental impediments, such as physical deformities, or sensitivity to flashing lights and/or camera speed. There are a group of gamers who, for one reason or another, are unable to perform some of the fast or complex actions that are expected of more able-bodied gamers. Beginner characters like Moira or Yuumi give players like that a chance to actually play these games and feel like they're actually contributing to a match instead of having to fight their various impediments every step of the way. Some people's knee-jerk reactions when things like this are brought up are to say things like "Well, THEY shouldn't play these games" or "These games aren't for THEM" or even "The game shouldn't be balanced around THOSE people". I think that's too much gatekeeping, and I think they should at least be acknowledged in these sorts of conversations because they are often ignored or dismissed so easily.
So for the FGC we have "Shotos." Not every Shoto is a beginner character (e.g. Akuma), but for the most part they are built to be balanced and/or consistent, and are a good starting point for learning mechanics.
I started off overwatch playing genji and jumped over from veigar to irelia in league as soon as I took the time to go through a couple character kits and asking my friend who has good mobility. Maybe those two aren’t the “peak of skill floor”, but I’d say they’re more complicated than most characters and despite being hard at first, it made learning both games really fun cause I was not only playing characters I enjoyed, but also had an aspect of a challenge and trial and error, compared to characters you can’t do much wrong on (cough cough 33% of top Laners)
Kensa Jr. isn't really a top tier weapon but it is kind of hilarious. For the unaware, the Bubble Blower special lets you throw out three bubbles that anyone on either side can do damage to. Enemy damage makes them smaller, ally damage makes them bigger and eventually explode, which can one-shot enemies that are too close. Meanwhile, the Torpedo sub weapon can lock onto nearby enemies, and if it does, the "activated" Torpedo can instantly pop a bubble and just nuke the area around it with almost no time for the enemy to react. Combine that with Jr. being a poor combat weapon on its own, the kit basically has two modes: "barely an issue, it just paints the ground a lot" and "THE JR. HAS SPECIAL OH GOD OH FUCK".
I really think that good beginner characters should have aspects of their kits that seem unassuming at first but actually develop the more familiar you become at the game and that actually allow them to be viable. I feel like the developers are often scared to implement more complex mechanics to these kind of characters, but all they really do is increase the skill ceiling of these characters, without affecting the skill floor. A perfect example of that would be Mercy from Overwatch. While at first she seems like you very stereotypical beginner friendly healer that doesn't need to aim, have very easy to use and forgiving positioning, an ultimate that is very simple to understand or use, a very consistent easy to manage healing and no damage to distract you, the more you advance with her, the more you start to learn how valuable her damage boost can be and it's actually what makes her keep up and even stand out at higher levels. While Mercy has her designing and balancing issue of her own, I think that when it comes to her skill curve they did an excellent job at making her extremely beginner friendly while giving her a decently high skill ceiling. Moira on the other hand has no depth. Rather than being a hero that eases you into the game, she's the hero you ask you give your friend who never played overwatch so they can have their fun while not knowing anything about the game. I definitely think it's good to have a hero that doesn't require as many mechanical skill, but Moira is forgiving to the point of basically needing so macro skill either, no management of your resources, nothing that you can do better than not die, heal the players who are low, damage the enemy who are near and throw orbs off cooldown. Of course there are still differences between a bronze and gm Moira, but it's just the same things done better, with better positioning, reaction time and target priority. Where as a Bronze Mercy would probably use gardian angel, damage boost and rez completely differently than a gm one, a bronze moira does the same thing but a little worse. I truly think they need to bring more depth to Moira's kit, keep the simple premise of no mechanical skill and a get out of jail free card, but add some more micro management, give her ressource meter something the Moira needs to actively manage and not just a limit so she doesn't heal infinitely, give her grasp utility that gets better the better she manage her resources, make her orbs a bigger part of her healing and damage so she really need to use them thoughtfully. Now Moira is an easy hero, but she doesn't teach any aspect of the game well, especially not ressource and cooldown management that should really be the premise of a scientist like her.
I think Moira is the best beginner character ever, even though personally, I feel like Lucio ends being slightly better, if only because he feels like an all rounder. But I'm also a filthy Lucio main :3 Now that said... Limbus Company Background music. Sleeper agents have been sent to your location.
this video is really great, youtube hasnt been giving me your stuff for a while so idk if this scott the woz esc comedic shift in your content is super new or you've been doing for a while but i really enjoyed it, this is one of my favorite videos you've made ♥
Soldier honestly needs a small rework. Losing aimbot as an ult wouldn’t even be a loss as most people who play soldier in higher ranks usually play him due to the aim skill expression you can have. Also his ult is basically just a “come kill me button”. Getting value with tactical visor is actually sometimes just worse than shooting at someone normally. Soldier is basically the only character where you can push the ceiling of tracking based aim to its limit in overwatch, and the amount of aim skill he takes at the ceiling is arguably much more healthy than any other hitscan in the game. I guarantee that every soldier player would be happier if the devs just let him be an aim character and upped his damage on his rifle instead of the other balancing mumbo jumbo they do. He also has smaller bullets than any other hitscan post season 9, but people will still call him the easy option :). He is simple but not easy. He is what I would consider a fundamentals and mechanics character, not a beginner character like Moira is. He is simple to understand, but most people will never understand the mechanical skill he takes the higher you go since most people will never have those mechanics. The tutorial level has done irreversible damage to people’s perception of the character. Also heal station being on a longer cooldown than Suzu lmao.
Don’t forget snipers. They stem from the same issue- whether or not you die when facing them has very little to do with you and everything to do with whether or not the enemy hits the sir skillshot. You have very little agency in how you fare against these characters.
@@rythis155 I agree that snipers should have limited access to consistent one-shots. Have other abilities that can carry the load of a longer cooldown snipe.
About the whole reworking-soldier-ultimate part, here's an idea: give him a MGL grenade launcher as his ult which would function similarly to bastion's old ult, massive damage, but only like 5 6 shots that are projectiles, but with a much faster travel speed than junk's main weapon, still keeps it noob-friendly cuz you could just spam it quickly in one spot but the skill ceiling could/would be similar to bastion's tank form, so I guess it would work for all skill levels
I would include Fiddlesticks as one of the best beginner friendly character. Not necessarily easy nor difficult but teaches players that vision control is important.
Generally, I prefer the “easy to learn, difficult to master” approach to the beginner character archetype. A character who can be played with low effort at a low level, but has the room for more complex, involved play as the environment around them gets more difficult.
Glad I pushed through the content warning, great video. I think Mercy is a good example of a clinging beginner support done right compared to Yuumi. She can stick to a target, but as the player grows they get better at pivoting to keep their whole team in good standing. Her movement ability is also great for teaching because it makes the player keep track of allies and enemy sightlines in order to safely get around, which are skills that transfer to any other character. In MOBAs, the best Yuumi-like is Gall of Cho-Gall in Heroes of the Storm since they aren't presented as a newbie character and are very clearly sign posted as an outlier weirdo. You can have to passenger princess experience without it looking anything like a new player onboarding tool.
@@parteebear I would argue that comfey in pokemon unite is similar or even better than cho-gall in hots though that depends on what you're looking for. They're a lot more similar to yuumi though unlike her they're encouraged to jump off and attack/hide in brush as both grant stacks of flowers which enhance all their abilities
One way to fix Yuumi's passive nature is by making her W a temporary skill. She latches into someone, shields/heals/buffs them and then goes out. In exchange, it has a long CD and her movement speed is increased for a bit after latching off.
This in a way does also apply to fighting games. Ryu in many street fighter games is an easy character to get into, an easy all arounder with easy tools like a fireball and a rising uppercut. Many characters have similar things, yet they're all provided in different and more versatile ways. This (usually) puts Ryu on the lower to mid end of the stick. Many other fighting games have similar characters, we sort of define them into the "Shoto" category, named after Ryu himself. Also all of the project moon music caught me off guard LOL
honestly, props to you - and even more if you were successful. ball is probably one of the least intuitive characters in the entire game when it comes to playstyle and timing - especially in ow2 (solo tank format).
In Dead by Daylight, both the Wraith and the Trapper serve this purpose. I would argue the Legion is also like this. All three except Wraith tend to fall off.
A good beginner character must have a simple kit/gameplan and a clear role, have a simple micro so the player can concentrate on learning the macro. It doesn't even need to underperform stats wise, as its mechanical simplicity means it will be predictable and easy to counter at high levels of play while being perfectly fit to do its job when enabled. The character can also be effective at all levels when its efficiency depends heavily on macro (timing, positioning...) , making it a character with low skill floor but high ceiling related to general knowledge of the game. MOBAs often have characters like this because they have a balance on micro (teamfights, laning) and macro-management (objectives, map control) .
Honestly monster hunter in my opinion has great beginner weapons in the Briefly mentioned sword and shield but also hammer as sword and shield has very simple but effective basic attacks but also has tech and advanced tools only it has to learn if you stick with it. Meanwhile the hammer has a very simple move set that does high damage to monster and monster parts but still has a good skill ceiling as it ask for you to get literally in monster face for best effectiveness which obviously you need skill to get in and stay in monster face without dying in the prosses meanwhile the hammer also having the niche of usually having best part breaking dps.
Only chnages i would make to moria to maybe enhance preping new players is making her actually need to aim (like sym) and decrease her range. Decreasing her range might make people think more about her positioning and getting rid of the auto lock would make you actually have to aim like you need to wkrh every other characters main attack in the game.
Good video. I do want to say though that as a top 500 soldier player who thinks about his balance often he has a below 50% win rate in almost every rank. In fact in bronze and silver his winrate is around 45%. I would also argue what ruined his strength in high rank was nerfing his sprint speed. Every other speed boost in the game still allows players to shoot whatever they are running at, and they are all faster or the same speed as soldier sprint. Also his self heal went from full healing you once per 15 seconds to now healing between 125 and 160 healing (depending on the dps passive) every 18 seconds, and total hp was buffed making burst healing and damage much better than sustained output. There are less than 10 soldier mains in t500 globally. Thats just sad
I main Yuumi because she is a kitten. I played Arena of Valor first though and decided to play Aya to see what I can learn before I started playing LoL. For some reason, I felt like I was learning nothing.
Age of Empires IV has two begginers "characters" in the form of The English and The French, both hated by the lower elo part of the community for different reasons The English is the one of the two that is S tier in both low and high elo. they are a simple faction for an RTS, with unique defensive bonuses, a low risk army composition and an econonomy that just straight up remove all risk from the game. they have cheaper and stronger farms in a game where controlling the food sources of the map is key, they can just ignore all that interaction and camp in their base farming safely. they have the stronger archers with extra range so they can damage you from a safe distance, their troops are stronger near their own building so pushing into them is hard and their age 3 landmarks options allow you to stabilize the game for free or super charge their eco changing their gameplan in an instant. people hate them because of how common they are and how hard to kill they are. and they are meta in high elo because they are a generalist that can execute any gameplan giving them a lot of flexibility, you may blindpick them into any matchup or map and you will have a good time as long as you know how to exploit their multiple tools The French on the other hand fall of the higher you climb and they are all about of teaching you agression. they have only one gameplan and it is hitting you as fast and as hard as they can with their exelent early game cavalry. people hate them in low elo because their knight have the lower time to kill, being the only knights than can two shoot villagers, so if they get in just for an instant they can get a lot of kills before you can react. the problem with France is that they fall off the longer the game goes and they are dependant on getting early kills to snowball the game, they are good a teaching how to play agressive and go for early kills but the higher you climb the better are people at defending and they struggle; and also you know what to expect when playing against a french player
Since you avoided speaking about fighting games I'd like to give some examples relating to the concepts brought up in your video. The all rounder new player character is usually a "shoto". (Ryu, Ky Kiske, or Terry Bogard.) They tend to have tools for any option (a fireball, shroyuken, tatsu) however, the tools that they have tend to never be best in class. When looking at beginner specialists, grapplers and zoners come to mind. With grapplers (Zangief, Potemkin) being very strong up close and very weak far away and zoners (Guile, Axl Low) being (usually) very weak up close and very strong far away. Similar to the ideas in your video, the specialists tend to make new players form bad habits because playing a specialist means that you have to approach situations very differently than a more well rounded character.
I see yumi in a different light it's good for teaching only when paired with a higher skilled friend because by lessening the mental load of your own character you can watch and learn from the better player paying attention to what they are doing. also teaches the skill of watching your ally to coordinate attack or retreat because without that you fail and one feeds 1v2. But alot of your other points are right.
Honestly, my favourite bad advice, was people saying Starlord in Marvel rivals was like Tracer in Overwatch. They'd then play Starlord like Tracer and die constantly. It was hilarious. Meanwhile, I played Starlord more like a better Soldier, flying to highground (which Soldier wishes he could do), and peppering the enemy to death. And I know I wasn't even that good, and others could do better if they tried
The Yuumi rework was the worst thing they've ever done for the character, new players, and people who mained her. They literally lobotomized her, now there's NO reason to swap off your teammates, there's NO reason to even get off the one teammate you're allowed to support (because there's no bop 'n' block), and there's NO reason to play Yuumi over any other enchanter because she provides so little to one person on the team. At least I can play my favorite champ Skarner right!!!!
If looking for the first beginner character i would rather look for older games for example fire emblem, Also idk but Multi User Dungeon or other likewise text games would likely be first too.
Whenever I play league I drop a google doc in chat with furry art of yuumi telling my adc not to int 😭 I usually abandon my random adc for jungler or top lane and just pocket them at lvl 6
this was a really good video my only problem is i felt like the jokes were too much and too repetitive like ngl i was rolling my eyes about halfway in when theyd come up but the way you present your topics is really good and i like it will be tuning in for more
@@YourHoneyDew near the end of it I point my fake ass gun at my head "don't worry I'll punish myself for talking about so much league" and UA-cam doesn't like that it seems !
18:27 you would not fucking believe the confusion i had when my brain registered Ai.Mi's theme just as i was booting up omega strikers again (shameless plug, please go play omega strikers it is the most goated game there is)
Day 32 of asking for an Irish Review of Risk of Rain (Did you know that if you are making caramel sauce and want it to be smooth you shouldnt add 50 tons of dirt in it because it wouldnt make it smooth right?)
Calm explanation: I pointed my toy gun at my head and apparently that goes against guidelines! I'm not suicidal or anything of the sort, just a little dumb so it's not happening again.
Emotional explanation: I POINT MY FAKE GUN AT MY HEAD FOR A JOKE AND UA-cam THINKS IM TRYING TO DIE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED PLEASE BRO NOT LIKE THIS-
lmfao I was like “what did I just click on”
"Haha funny video about mediocre characters in video games"
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"Wow UA-cam. Really?"
UA-cam jumps on this but doesn't give a crap when its advertisers giving them money to show explicit ads.
was literrally like wtf why did they even . but i guess thats enough
I like how with every video Rory talks about like, 1 new game before going back on a tangent about Overwatch or League of Legends
Always gonna end up on the best 😎
i would do the same honestly lol
Imagine diving head first into a bagel, you'd probably have 2 concussions and a bleeding head if surviving is even possible
This is a peak comment
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Moira is my favorite beginner dps
It's not even funny how good she is as an all-rounder. Since she's just pure stats and minimal utility, she can pump in healing and damage, allowing everyone else to do their job more. And when...
A) The other support is underperforming on healing,
B) The DPS are underperforming on securing kills,
...she can easily fill for the role.
She's especially a menace in the lower ranks since no one really pays attention to the rest of her team, but in higher ranks she still thrives because *peeling is still hard*, and with Juno being in the meta, along with other squishy characters like Widow, this season is perfectly optimal for the succ.
The amount of BS I've managed to get myself into and out of with Moira this season is CRAZY.
@@hamster_explorer9642Baptiste can do all that better and has an insane utility and better mobility, he’s just not braindead easy.
@@thebigyes8482 absolutely! And with the recoil buffs, he's super strong. The main difference is that Moira has the most stupidly convenient get-out-of-jail free cards - better than most DPS, making her backline potential stupidly good. It might create bad habits, but DANG is it easy to get value by just existing and being a threat to both of their supports.
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@@hamster_explorer9642 yeah had a friend that started on moira. took her around 4-5 months to learn basic positioning on DPS and other supports she wanted to try.
For the Splattershot Jr., I think it's also important to get into how the subweapon and special help the weapon be beginner-friendly.
In each Splatoon title, the "vanilla" Splattershot Jr. has the Splat Bomb as it's subweapon, which is one of the easier subweapons to get value with. It has a short fuse, can easily kill enemies, deals splash damage, can be rolled and thrown, and paints a lot of territory. Its biggest weakness is that it costs most of an ink tank (which is *also* your ammo for your main weapon). However, as Rory mentioned, the Jr. is also *very* ink efficient with its main weapon and can get several shots off after using a bomb. Other weapon kits with Splat Bombs will need to budget their ink more carefully, but the Jr. has a nice bit of Main-Sub synergy that will help ease new players in.
Additionally, every Splatoon title has given the Jr. an easy-to-use defensive special. Splatoon has a very short time-to-kill, so having specials that improve your lifespan is a great tool for beginners.
And finally, the Jr. variants get to trend a bit more towards the "specialist" beginner characters. For instance, the Custom Splattershot Junior in each game usually comes with a sub & special designed around finding enemies hidden in the ink.
I want to add a bit more info about the Splattershot Jr for those interested. In Splat 2, the original Jr had Ink Armor - a core meta support special - and was one of the better weapons with it. It was still generally outclassed by the N-Zap 85, a weapon with a super similar toolkit (a bomb + Armor) but more overall fighting power. Jr would still get picked instead quite often though - it got Armor much more quickly because it had better paint and a cheaper special cost, and bomb spam helped it provide pressure where the main weapon couldn't so much. Also, for a while the H-3 Nozzlenose D was the Armor weapon of choice - and it had a much higher skill floor... but it got nerfed pretty heavily to where it wasn't worth the effort over Zap or Jr anymore. Definitely not the best outcome.
Splatoon 3's Jr takes more after Splatoon 1's though, with more limited potential at higher levels of play once more.
There is also the custon Jr from 3, one of my personal fav weapons which specializes area denial and tracking
@@wyvernplays1147 yeah, but it also has limited potential at higher levels so it fits with the design
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Rory: Yuumi sucks!
Mercy Overwatch: *somewhat sweating*
Comfey PKMN Unite: *EXTREME SWEATING*
I would like to send you to the pocket support video (comfey is fucking genius and I hate that POKEMON UNITE is what created it)
@@PixelRorynow that I think about it unite has made some of the most fun kits I’ve seen in a MOBA
That "Gigantic" clip hurt my soul, damn shame the creators show no passion in it and let it die a second time.
7:52 instant karma for squidbagging 😭
Didn't even bring up quadruple bomb on the Splattershot Jr... The higher ink tank designed to help beginners could be used in a unique way at higher level play allowing the Splattershot Jr to be the only weapon able to throw 2 lethal bombs with 1 ink tank, pop special to refill the tank, and throw 2 more, denying a huge amount of space. Just because something has characteristics designed to help new players doesn't mean they have to be useless to experienced players.
100% agree with this. Jr is definitely way harder to use than splattershot which has turned into the beginner weapon imo. Jr has more skill expression than splattershot at high levels. Splattershot is more of a jack of all trades as Jr is more of a support.
Im getting the same vibe from this guy as classic Scott the Woz and I love it
Rory is like an Irish Scott The Woz and im all for it
Hot take: I think the overwatch devs actually did a really good job creating Moira as a beginner friendly hero. Almost every tier list since her release has put her in a solid B tier, and compared to the rest of the cast, has had little controversy aurrounding her kit. Even the few times Moira was considered meta, it was never because she herself was super powerful, but because she could make use of the circumstances surrounding the meta better than most others.
???? O_O No way you played OW if you think Moira was always put in B tier.
@@aerostrafe1075I think he means B at most. But she’s definitely mostly lower.
They did a good job if we're talking purely tier lists, but games are far, FAR more than just tier lists - especially team games where individual weaknesses can be somewhat mitigated by other characters (e.g. brig/zen backlines). Her kit is absolutely unconducive to creating good habits, and too often you'll see metal rank moira mains use her as a crutch instead of learning how to position/aim optimally, which typically leads to poor performance on other heroes that don't have the sheer simplicity (both mechanically and positionally) moira does.
There's another angle to the Beginner character no one really talks about: People with Disabilities, and/or Physical/Mental impediments, such as physical deformities, or sensitivity to flashing lights and/or camera speed. There are a group of gamers who, for one reason or another, are unable to perform some of the fast or complex actions that are expected of more able-bodied gamers. Beginner characters like Moira or Yuumi give players like that a chance to actually play these games and feel like they're actually contributing to a match instead of having to fight their various impediments every step of the way.
Some people's knee-jerk reactions when things like this are brought up are to say things like "Well, THEY shouldn't play these games" or "These games aren't for THEM" or even "The game shouldn't be balanced around THOSE people". I think that's too much gatekeeping, and I think they should at least be acknowledged in these sorts of conversations because they are often ignored or dismissed so easily.
So for the FGC we have "Shotos."
Not every Shoto is a beginner character (e.g. Akuma), but for the most part they are built to be balanced and/or consistent, and are a good starting point for learning mechanics.
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I started off overwatch playing genji and jumped over from veigar to irelia in league as soon as I took the time to go through a couple character kits and asking my friend who has good mobility. Maybe those two aren’t the “peak of skill floor”, but I’d say they’re more complicated than most characters and despite being hard at first, it made learning both games really fun cause I was not only playing characters I enjoyed, but also had an aspect of a challenge and trial and error, compared to characters you can’t do much wrong on (cough cough 33% of top Laners)
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I was a little confused seeing Atlas gameplay for a moment, if he was the Paladins example I was aboutta be super confused.
Great video!
@@absol-utezero2942 I just have leftover atlas from footage from my "time in games" video LMAO
he helps beginners that want to learn how to help the enemy
LoR and Flipwitch OST -> neuron activation
Gigantic footage is crazy
Kensa Jr. isn't really a top tier weapon but it is kind of hilarious. For the unaware, the Bubble Blower special lets you throw out three bubbles that anyone on either side can do damage to. Enemy damage makes them smaller, ally damage makes them bigger and eventually explode, which can one-shot enemies that are too close. Meanwhile, the Torpedo sub weapon can lock onto nearby enemies, and if it does, the "activated" Torpedo can instantly pop a bubble and just nuke the area around it with almost no time for the enemy to react. Combine that with Jr. being a poor combat weapon on its own, the kit basically has two modes: "barely an issue, it just paints the ground a lot" and "THE JR. HAS SPECIAL OH GOD OH FUCK".
We stan Moira
The gun was there for like a second, lets gooooooooooo 🎉
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I really think that good beginner characters should have aspects of their kits that seem unassuming at first but actually develop the more familiar you become at the game and that actually allow them to be viable. I feel like the developers are often scared to implement more complex mechanics to these kind of characters, but all they really do is increase the skill ceiling of these characters, without affecting the skill floor. A perfect example of that would be Mercy from Overwatch. While at first she seems like you very stereotypical beginner friendly healer that doesn't need to aim, have very easy to use and forgiving positioning, an ultimate that is very simple to understand or use, a very consistent easy to manage healing and no damage to distract you, the more you advance with her, the more you start to learn how valuable her damage boost can be and it's actually what makes her keep up and even stand out at higher levels. While Mercy has her designing and balancing issue of her own, I think that when it comes to her skill curve they did an excellent job at making her extremely beginner friendly while giving her a decently high skill ceiling.
Moira on the other hand has no depth. Rather than being a hero that eases you into the game, she's the hero you ask you give your friend who never played overwatch so they can have their fun while not knowing anything about the game. I definitely think it's good to have a hero that doesn't require as many mechanical skill, but Moira is forgiving to the point of basically needing so macro skill either, no management of your resources, nothing that you can do better than not die, heal the players who are low, damage the enemy who are near and throw orbs off cooldown. Of course there are still differences between a bronze and gm Moira, but it's just the same things done better, with better positioning, reaction time and target priority. Where as a Bronze Mercy would probably use gardian angel, damage boost and rez completely differently than a gm one, a bronze moira does the same thing but a little worse. I truly think they need to bring more depth to Moira's kit, keep the simple premise of no mechanical skill and a get out of jail free card, but add some more micro management, give her ressource meter something the Moira needs to actively manage and not just a limit so she doesn't heal infinitely, give her grasp utility that gets better the better she manage her resources, make her orbs a bigger part of her healing and damage so she really need to use them thoughtfully. Now Moira is an easy hero, but she doesn't teach any aspect of the game well, especially not ressource and cooldown management that should really be the premise of a scientist like her.
I think Moira is the best beginner character ever, even though personally, I feel like Lucio ends being slightly better, if only because he feels like an all rounder. But I'm also a filthy Lucio main :3
Now that said...
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this video is really great, youtube hasnt been giving me your stuff for a while so idk if this scott the woz esc comedic shift in your content is super new or you've been doing for a while but i really enjoyed it, this is one of my favorite videos you've made ♥
Soldier honestly needs a small rework. Losing aimbot as an ult wouldn’t even be a loss as most people who play soldier in higher ranks usually play him due to the aim skill expression you can have. Also his ult is basically just a “come kill me button”. Getting value with tactical visor is actually sometimes just worse than shooting at someone normally. Soldier is basically the only character where you can push the ceiling of tracking based aim to its limit in overwatch, and the amount of aim skill he takes at the ceiling is arguably much more healthy than any other hitscan in the game. I guarantee that every soldier player would be happier if the devs just let him be an aim character and upped his damage on his rifle instead of the other balancing mumbo jumbo they do. He also has smaller bullets than any other hitscan post season 9, but people will still call him the easy option :). He is simple but not easy. He is what I would consider a fundamentals and mechanics character, not a beginner character like Moira is. He is simple to understand, but most people will never understand the mechanical skill he takes the higher you go since most people will never have those mechanics. The tutorial level has done irreversible damage to people’s perception of the character.
Also heal station being on a longer cooldown than Suzu lmao.
Somebody has to say this, so i will!
There is SO much PM music in this video, and it is quite pleasing for my PM hyperfixation.
Since this is a topic worth discussing
How about the hook characters and how in most games they are considered unhealthy and problematic
Too one-note. It's asymmetric to every other form of CC. Putting a hard stun follow up or a shotgun on the hook character was a terrible idea.
Don’t forget snipers. They stem from the same issue- whether or not you die when facing them has very little to do with you and everything to do with whether or not the enemy hits the sir skillshot. You have very little agency in how you fare against these characters.
@@rythis155 I agree that snipers should have limited access to consistent one-shots. Have other abilities that can carry the load of a longer cooldown snipe.
Yuumi seems like a failed recreation of Abathur from HotS.
bro you ate with the moira part 13:51, facts after facts. absolute cinema
i spent 23:36 minutes of my life watching this guy talk about bagels
oh and the gaming as well but that doesn't matter
Aphelios is my favorite beginner character, he only has 2 abilities, so easy!
ahahahaha.. hahahahahahahahhahaaaa..... remember when we called aphelios 200 years. Remember that time?
When I saw the thumbnail I thought you were about to say Inkling is a beginner character in smash ultimate.
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About the whole reworking-soldier-ultimate part, here's an idea: give him a MGL grenade launcher as his ult which would function similarly to bastion's old ult, massive damage, but only like 5 6 shots that are projectiles, but with a much faster travel speed than junk's main weapon, still keeps it noob-friendly cuz you could just spam it quickly in one spot but the skill ceiling could/would be similar to bastion's tank form, so I guess it would work for all skill levels
I would include Fiddlesticks as one of the best beginner friendly character. Not necessarily easy nor difficult but teaches players that vision control is important.
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Generally, I prefer the “easy to learn, difficult to master” approach to the beginner character archetype. A character who can be played with low effort at a low level, but has the room for more complex, involved play as the environment around them gets more difficult.
Glad I pushed through the content warning, great video.
I think Mercy is a good example of a clinging beginner support done right compared to Yuumi. She can stick to a target, but as the player grows they get better at pivoting to keep their whole team in good standing. Her movement ability is also great for teaching because it makes the player keep track of allies and enemy sightlines in order to safely get around, which are skills that transfer to any other character.
In MOBAs, the best Yuumi-like is Gall of Cho-Gall in Heroes of the Storm since they aren't presented as a newbie character and are very clearly sign posted as an outlier weirdo. You can have to passenger princess experience without it looking anything like a new player onboarding tool.
@@parteebear I would argue that comfey in pokemon unite is similar or even better than cho-gall in hots though that depends on what you're looking for.
They're a lot more similar to yuumi though unlike her they're encouraged to jump off and attack/hide in brush as both grant stacks of flowers which enhance all their abilities
So wait, how do I make a bagel?
great question
One way to fix Yuumi's passive nature is by making her W a temporary skill. She latches into someone, shields/heals/buffs them and then goes out. In exchange, it has a long CD and her movement speed is increased for a bit after latching off.
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I may be outing myself with this, but it IS a bop
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This in a way does also apply to fighting games. Ryu in many street fighter games is an easy character to get into, an easy all arounder with easy tools like a fireball and a rising uppercut. Many characters have similar things, yet they're all provided in different and more versatile ways. This (usually) puts Ryu on the lower to mid end of the stick. Many other fighting games have similar characters, we sort of define them into the "Shoto" category, named after Ryu himself.
Also all of the project moon music caught me off guard LOL
i learned overwatch by playing a few matches of random stuff and then playing 400 hours of wrecking ball as a coping mechanism
honestly, props to you - and even more if you were successful. ball is probably one of the least intuitive characters in the entire game when it comes to playstyle and timing - especially in ow2 (solo tank format).
My first thought was “Garen” 😂
In Dead by Daylight, both the Wraith and the Trapper serve this purpose. I would argue the Legion is also like this. All three except Wraith tend to fall off.
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i think lux is the ultimate begginer character
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A good beginner character must have a simple kit/gameplan and a clear role, have a simple micro so the player can concentrate on learning the macro. It doesn't even need to underperform stats wise, as its mechanical simplicity means it will be predictable and easy to counter at high levels of play while being perfectly fit to do its job when enabled. The character can also be effective at all levels when its efficiency depends heavily on macro (timing, positioning...) , making it a character with low skill floor but high ceiling related to general knowledge of the game.
MOBAs often have characters like this because they have a balance on micro (teamfights, laning) and macro-management (objectives, map control) .
Why does this video have a content warning😭
Honestly monster hunter in my opinion has great beginner weapons in the Briefly mentioned sword and shield but also hammer as sword and shield has very simple but effective basic attacks but also has tech and advanced tools only it has to learn if you stick with it.
Meanwhile the hammer has a very simple move set that does high damage to monster and monster parts but still has a good skill ceiling as it ask for you to get literally in monster face for best effectiveness which obviously you need skill to get in and stay in monster face without dying in the prosses meanwhile the hammer also having the niche of usually having best part breaking dps.
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Only chnages i would make to moria to maybe enhance preping new players is making her actually need to aim (like sym) and decrease her range. Decreasing her range might make people think more about her positioning and getting rid of the auto lock would make you actually have to aim like you need to wkrh every other characters main attack in the game.
Good video. I do want to say though that as a top 500 soldier player who thinks about his balance often he has a below 50% win rate in almost every rank. In fact in bronze and silver his winrate is around 45%. I would also argue what ruined his strength in high rank was nerfing his sprint speed. Every other speed boost in the game still allows players to shoot whatever they are running at, and they are all faster or the same speed as soldier sprint. Also his self heal went from full healing you once per 15 seconds to now healing between 125 and 160 healing (depending on the dps passive) every 18 seconds, and total hp was buffed making burst healing and damage much better than sustained output. There are less than 10 soldier mains in t500 globally. Thats just sad
oozing with scott the woz, nice video dude
I main Yuumi because she is a kitten. I played Arena of Valor first though and decided to play Aya to see what I can learn before I started playing LoL. For some reason, I felt like I was learning nothing.
Age of Empires IV has two begginers "characters" in the form of The English and The French, both hated by the lower elo part of the community for different reasons
The English is the one of the two that is S tier in both low and high elo. they are a simple faction for an RTS, with unique defensive bonuses, a low risk army composition and an econonomy that just straight up remove all risk from the game. they have cheaper and stronger farms in a game where controlling the food sources of the map is key, they can just ignore all that interaction and camp in their base farming safely. they have the stronger archers with extra range so they can damage you from a safe distance, their troops are stronger near their own building so pushing into them is hard and their age 3 landmarks options allow you to stabilize the game for free or super charge their eco changing their gameplan in an instant. people hate them because of how common they are and how hard to kill they are. and they are meta in high elo because they are a generalist that can execute any gameplan giving them a lot of flexibility, you may blindpick them into any matchup or map and you will have a good time as long as you know how to exploit their multiple tools
The French on the other hand fall of the higher you climb and they are all about of teaching you agression. they have only one gameplan and it is hitting you as fast and as hard as they can with their exelent early game cavalry. people hate them in low elo because their knight have the lower time to kill, being the only knights than can two shoot villagers, so if they get in just for an instant they can get a lot of kills before you can react. the problem with France is that they fall off the longer the game goes and they are dependant on getting early kills to snowball the game, they are good a teaching how to play agressive and go for early kills but the higher you climb the better are people at defending and they struggle; and also you know what to expect when playing against a french player
14:10 Illari doesn't provide utility too. She only has damage and healing.
Slow on ult + boop on burst, minor and nitpicky? Could be argued as such, but it's still more than Moira
The Scott the Woz influence is insane
10:53 that's because new players don't want tutorials anymore sadly
This video is just a cover up after you burned a bagel, I won't hear otherwise.
how was tf2 not mentioned
I just wanted to add reinhardt is a shotoclone.
Since you avoided speaking about fighting games I'd like to give some examples relating to the concepts brought up in your video. The all rounder new player character is usually a "shoto". (Ryu, Ky Kiske, or Terry Bogard.) They tend to have tools for any option (a fireball, shroyuken, tatsu) however, the tools that they have tend to never be best in class. When looking at beginner specialists, grapplers and zoners come to mind. With grapplers (Zangief, Potemkin) being very strong up close and very weak far away and zoners (Guile, Axl Low) being (usually) very weak up close and very strong far away. Similar to the ideas in your video, the specialists tend to make new players form bad habits because playing a specialist means that you have to approach situations very differently than a more well rounded character.
Anyway, good video keep it up
I see yumi in a different light it's good for teaching only when paired with a higher skilled friend because by lessening the mental load of your own character you can watch and learn from the better player paying attention to what they are doing. also teaches the skill of watching your ally to coordinate attack or retreat because without that you fail and one feeds 1v2. But alot of your other points are right.
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Honestly, my favourite bad advice, was people saying Starlord in Marvel rivals was like Tracer in Overwatch. They'd then play Starlord like Tracer and die constantly. It was hilarious.
Meanwhile, I played Starlord more like a better Soldier, flying to highground (which Soldier wishes he could do), and peppering the enemy to death. And I know I wasn't even that good, and others could do better if they tried
The Yuumi rework was the worst thing they've ever done for the character, new players, and people who mained her.
They literally lobotomized her, now there's NO reason to swap off your teammates, there's NO reason to even get off the one teammate you're allowed to support (because there's no bop 'n' block), and there's NO reason to play Yuumi over any other enchanter because she provides so little to one person on the team.
At least I can play my favorite champ Skarner right!!!!
This channel is rising
you should do movement characters like neon, octane, tracer, genji ect
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How does thia video not have 1k likes yet?????
11:30 do NOT look up where this song is from
If looking for the first beginner character i would rather look for older games for example fire emblem, Also idk but Multi User Dungeon or other likewise text games would likely be first too.
is this the scott the woz of fps games?
you look like Gideon Graves (positive)
what’s with all this gamer shit, i signed up for a video about bread
Whenever I play league I drop a google doc in chat with furry art of yuumi telling my adc not to int 😭 I usually abandon my random adc for jungler or top lane and just pocket them at lvl 6
this was a really good video my only problem is i felt like the jokes were too much and too repetitive like ngl i was rolling my eyes about halfway in when theyd come up but the way you present your topics is really good and i like it will be tuning in for more
roz the woz (workshopped that new nickname recently, let me know what you think)
no way someone talked about Paladins in a video that isnt specifically about Paladins... in late 2024.
Why... I had a suicide warning before this video? 😭
@@YourHoneyDew near the end of it I point my fake ass gun at my head "don't worry I'll punish myself for talking about so much league" and UA-cam doesn't like that it seems !
did someone die in here? 🗣🔥🔥🔥
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Don't worry, no bagels were harmed. Unless me eating the burnt bagel counts
Seris damage is so weak that she mostly is a healing bot. The stun is forgettable as well.
Have you ever noticed that your blinks are kinda long? Its kinda interesting.
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Why is there a viewer discretion for this 😂
18:27 you would not fucking believe the confusion i had when my brain registered Ai.Mi's theme just as i was booting up omega strikers again (shameless plug, please go play omega strikers it is the most goated game there is)
Day 32 of asking for an Irish Review of Risk of Rain (Did you know that if you are making caramel sauce and want it to be smooth you shouldnt add 50 tons of dirt in it because it wouldnt make it smooth right?)
A video essayist who actually uploads????
cool vid bro
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hey.... i know that song