This tutorial is phenomenal. I teach 3-piece horn section writing and I'm most definitely telling my students to watch this! Thanks for making this video!
Such a great tutorial. When giving something extra for my songs I usually write for strings, but I'm currently writing my first horn part to put behind a verse and this has been by far the most.helpful video I've found. Great video and great tips, thanks for your help!
Hi Jesse. Thanks for this great video. Horn arranging is one of the mysteries of arranging I’m in the process of getting my head around, and this video certainly helped a lot. Many thanks again. 😁👍🏻
i use musecore which is one of the free notation programs. yea, the sound fonts suck but for the price, i can't beat it. what i usually do with horns score is i'll mute everything but the horns and play it back so i can hear the intervals. sometimes what we think should sound great doesn't and when the drums, bass, keys and what ever else is in the mix are playing i can't really hear the horns clearly. once i'm satisfied with that then i enable the other instruments and play it to hear if anything is not harmonically blending the way i want or otherwise clashing. like you say, not all horn players can hit those high notes so there were times i had to score it out for what i had available or, if i have keys with a midi have the midi handle the high which has it's inherent can of worms.
Well "Profe", next one shall be Dynamics, and something related to styles. Like your rationale behind the Drop-2 Technique, this way you help demystifying some obscuring wording for musicians. Keep Vids Coming!!! Thank you for posting
That’s a great question! There is no “rule” about using tenor vs alto. Both have a range that lies between that of trumpet and trombone. But it’s true that tenor is more favored. I think it has to do with the tenor sax generally having a fuller, warmer sound than alto (it also doesn’t “cut” as easily as an alto or soprano instrument) and being a better complimentary instrument to both trumpet AND trombone. It can be voiced easily above or below the trombone and has a similar range to lead trumpet when voiced an octave below. Also, alto sax in a pop context has grown significantly brighter over the years (David Sanborn, Eric Marienthal, etc) and even on the jazz side, the bright lead alto sound dominates the soundscape. In this case, it’s easier to use an instrument that’s already more mellow than ask a player to dampen their sound just to be able to play in a section. I’m sure there are more factors but those are some tendencies I’ve noticed. Thanks for the question!
@@modernmusicarranger Thanks Profe. Your response is just what I needed. Im putting together a brass section and notice a constant trend in most pop music where tenor is the preferred woodwind.
I don't know the exact harmonies but from a quick listen I can hear the trumpet playing the root (D) on top on the D7 chord and G7 chord followed by C# (A7) and B (G7) on the hits. My guess is that the rest of the D7 chord is voiced (bottom to top) C F# A D and follows voice leading maybe F A B D on G7? It'd be beneficial to slow it down and really try to pick out the inner voices. It's especially difficult on older recordings and can take a while. If you have trouble find all the notes, there's nothing wrong with guessing based on the chord! One thing to note, it's interesting how low the voicings start at the tops of phrases. Assumingly to make the ends of phrases pop out more. I have a feeling that was an arranging call straight from James Brown himself! Hope this info helps.
Hey man, cool video thanks for making it! 3 horn can be much more difficult to write for than 2 horn or 4. Do you have any voicings for 3 horn hits? Like crunchy hits or endings especially to emulate a big band type sound? It can be really difficult to get the dissonance and punch with just three horns and still make it sound connected to the harmony.
I use the stock Sibelius Sounds when working in Sibelius and Logic stock Studio Horns to create demos. Occasionally, I'll record sax parts myself and blend in the MIDI brass sounds. The keys were Scarbee Rhodes by Native Instruments and the drum loop was a classic breakbeat sample but I can't recall which tune it's from. Thanks for watching!
You caught it! Good catch! In these examples they do but I can add more contrary motion and counterpoint for future examples! One thing I've noticed too is when players are sight-reading lines that move similarly, they tend to play more confidently right away. It can even save studio time to write this way but it's all a matter of preference and context. Thanks for watching!
This tutorial is phenomenal. I teach 3-piece horn section writing and I'm most definitely telling my students to watch this! Thanks for making this video!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Hope it helps your students as well!
Very clear lesson. Waiting for a 4 part do's and don'ts.
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Such a great tutorial. When giving something extra for my songs I usually write for strings, but I'm currently writing my first horn part to put behind a verse and this has been by far the most.helpful video I've found. Great video and great tips, thanks for your help!
Hi Jesse. Thanks for this great video. Horn arranging is one of the mysteries of arranging I’m in the process of getting my head around, and this video certainly helped a lot. Many thanks again. 😁👍🏻
i find this very usefull. please make more videos. well done !
Very helpful..thank you!
Excellent work!
This is wonderful
Thank you for watching!
Very informative! Thanks for sharing!
Profe, gracias haha these tips will definitely help
excellent work! Thanks very much mate!
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Gracias Profe, great Video!
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Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
Thank you very much great and instructive tutorial
Thanks Jesse, great job!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Good idea to add range of instrument at beginning.
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Good stuff brother thank you
How about contrary motion?
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Of course! Thanks for watching!
Great video. Thanks!
i use musecore which is one of the free notation programs. yea, the sound fonts suck but for the price, i can't beat it. what i usually do with horns score is i'll mute everything but the horns and play it back so i can hear the intervals. sometimes what we think should sound great doesn't and when the drums, bass, keys and what ever else is in the mix are playing i can't really hear the horns clearly. once i'm satisfied with that then i enable the other instruments and play it to hear if anything is not harmonically blending the way i want or otherwise clashing.
like you say, not all horn players can hit those high notes so there were times i had to score it out for what i had available or, if i have keys with a midi have the midi handle the high which has it's inherent can of worms.
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Great thanks
Well "Profe", next one shall be Dynamics, and something related to styles. Like your rationale behind the Drop-2 Technique, this way you help demystifying some obscuring wording for musicians. Keep Vids Coming!!! Thank you for posting
I definitely have some clarifications and "next steps" videos in mind for the future. Thanks for watching!
I have beginner question why is tenor sax favored over alto sax in a pop brass section?
That’s a great question! There is no “rule” about using tenor vs alto. Both have a range that lies between that of trumpet and trombone. But it’s true that tenor is more favored. I think it has to do with the tenor sax generally having a fuller, warmer sound than alto (it also doesn’t “cut” as easily as an alto or soprano instrument) and being a better complimentary instrument to both trumpet AND trombone. It can be voiced easily above or below the trombone and has a similar range to lead trumpet when voiced an octave below. Also, alto sax in a pop context has grown significantly brighter over the years (David Sanborn, Eric Marienthal, etc) and even on the jazz side, the bright lead alto sound dominates the soundscape. In this case, it’s easier to use an instrument that’s already more mellow than ask a player to dampen their sound just to be able to play in a section. I’m sure there are more factors but those are some tendencies I’ve noticed. Thanks for the question!
@@modernmusicarranger Thanks Profe. Your response is just what I needed. Im putting together a brass section and notice a constant trend in most pop music where tenor is the preferred woodwind.
Also, some older saxophones can't play the high F# and are instead limited to high F.
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I have been trying to figure out the horn harmony used in the song I feel good, can you help?
I don't know the exact harmonies but from a quick listen I can hear the trumpet playing the root (D) on top on the D7 chord and G7 chord followed by C# (A7) and B (G7) on the hits. My guess is that the rest of the D7 chord is voiced (bottom to top) C F# A D and follows voice leading maybe F A B D on G7? It'd be beneficial to slow it down and really try to pick out the inner voices. It's especially difficult on older recordings and can take a while. If you have trouble find all the notes, there's nothing wrong with guessing based on the chord! One thing to note, it's interesting how low the voicings start at the tops of phrases. Assumingly to make the ends of phrases pop out more. I have a feeling that was an arranging call straight from James Brown himself! Hope this info helps.
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Thank you for your contribution....
What software did you use....
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That's a good trumpet VST. What are you using?
Hey man, cool video thanks for making it! 3 horn can be much more difficult to write for than 2 horn or 4. Do you have any voicings for 3 horn hits? Like crunchy hits or endings especially to emulate a big band type sound? It can be really difficult to get the dissonance and punch with just three horns and still make it sound connected to the harmony.
Thanks man :)
What sound pack do you use?
I use the stock Sibelius Sounds when working in Sibelius and Logic stock Studio Horns to create demos. Occasionally, I'll record sax parts myself and blend in the MIDI brass sounds. The keys were Scarbee Rhodes by Native Instruments and the drum loop was a classic breakbeat sample but I can't recall which tune it's from. Thanks for watching!
@@modernmusicarranger the drums are the "GOD MADE ME FUNKY" break beat
Which player do you use in Sibelius? General Midi?
The MIDI is from Sibelius Sounds that comes with the software. The Jazz setting.
What notation software do you use?
Sibelius
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All the parts moves the same way. Let at least one of the parts go the opposite way, and it will sound better.
You caught it! Good catch! In these examples they do but I can add more contrary motion and counterpoint for future examples! One thing I've noticed too is when players are sight-reading lines that move similarly, they tend to play more confidently right away. It can even save studio time to write this way but it's all a matter of preference and context. Thanks for watching!