@@Jpifr Oh, for sure. What did the Bene Gesserit say about Feyd earlier? "His levers are desire and humiliation." He spent the entire movie either humiliating people, like the doctor in the arena and Raban, or looking at his uncle, the Baron, with naked desire to usurp him. The Baron even incentivized him by offering him the throne of Emperor. Feyd is downright ENCHANTED with Paul the entire time the Fremen attack on on the palace is happening. He's mesmerized by someone so effortlessly doing everything he wishes he could do. He wishes he could humiliate the Baron, the Emperor, and the Bene Gesserit the way Paul does. And perhaps his limited prescience has shown him hints of a path to get there. He probably feels, on some level, how similar he and Paul really are. If he could awaken the same way Paul did, he could do the things that Paul does, and worse. And *that* is probably why Paul ultimately goes ahead with the Jihad. Feyd is just one of many cousins of his that could awaken abilities like his and use them for far more sinister things than Paul does. In fact, Paul sees a future where every house and many organizations have their own Kwisatz Haderachs, all of them awakened, and they're all waging war on each other based not on what *is*, but on what their visions tell them *will be*. Politics, war, and everything else becomes a tangled mess as they respond to things that haven't happened yet, and then their opponents respond to those responses, back and forth for eternity. Paul sees the slow, tortuous extinction of humanity in Feyd. The only solution is to nullify that prescient vision in some way, and to kill the fanaticism and zealotry and blind loyalty that causes people to follow people like the Harkonnens and even the Atreides. That's what Paul will wrestle with for the rest of his life.
@@hem9483 So you just talking out your ass about stuff you don't know? First off her daughter is a pre born, a unique being that is conscious before their birth in the Dune universe. Her daughter occupies 0% of her mothers personality because they are distinct beings. They happen to be in one body because that's how pregnancy works. They are having psychic conversations because, spoiler alert, Bene Gesserit's and Pre-borns are psychics.
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 Matters not. Out of the 2, I still would chose Paul. If ever forced between one evil and the other, that manipulative women would not be my choice.
@@eiyu-okuroryokan2634 But you’re just fine with Paul manipulating an entire people in order to enact his revenge on his enemies and also start the worst religious war in history? Ok. 😊
The way it's done in IMAX is the best possible way to experience it. The "Silence" doesn't just sound like a word being yelled, it sounds like its reverberating throughout your whole body.
im obsessed with dune, this scene is like, when paul gets his revenge for that "test" gaius helen mohiam did on him. And she's one of the most hatable characters for me.
Shaddam killed Leto out of jealousy. He was paranoid that people would rally around Leto. He called Leto a good man, but a weak man as well. And so, in his spite towards Leto, Shaddam turned Leto's son into the opposite - a strong man, but a cruel one. One who would willingly start a holy way resulting in the deaths of billions. Congratulations, Emperor Shaddam. You've created a monster.
Humans will always only ever think about themselves in the end. There is no benevolent ruler that would put the people's future above himself; as evidenced by the God Emperor Leto being fictional.
@@AnotherSpaceCowBoy Of course, it was always within the Bene Gesserit's goals to replace Shaddam with one of theirs. They wanted Irulan on the throne. So they took advantage of Shaddam's jealousy and spite to have a potential challenge to the throne killed.
House Atreides was attacked with the implicit consent of the emperor, because they managed to train a small force on par with the Sardaukar. That was the reason the emperor saw them as a threat.
In theaters I didn't notice the quick cut to Feyd after Paul yelled "SILENCE!" That brief moment of awe that almost immediately gave way to giddy anticipation for the imminent fight speaks volumes to Austin Butler's acting chops.
. He still has to demonstrate acting chops for Oscar worthy performance.. well at least back in the day it was about acting skill.. now it's about meaningless politics. Dune is a large property that Most actors can hide behind.. People Love their beloved Dune Title more than the actors.
My only letdown with this scene was how the threat to destroy the spice was handled. Yeah, the Water of Death was a bit of a strange plot contrivance, but triggering an unstoppable chain reaction that would kill the worms and destroy the spice had that threatening permanence, whereas nuking the fields, well, that doesn't guarantee the extintion of the worms, so the spice will eventually return, and two, they only have limited warheads to destroy all spice on the entire planet? Plus, the reaction from the crowd in the book makes Paul so much more badass, how everyone immediately panics, tries to negotiate and compromise and he just coldly puts his foot down to command the spacing guild to send the Great Houses away. That and the part with him taunting Mohiam, saying here is the result of your generations of plotting, and I will never do your bidding. I do wish this scene had been a bit more book accurate because it wasn't quite as badass as I was hoping for.
The Great Houses got flummoxed by the whole shebang of events 😂. Baron Harkonnen called them to come because Emperor's arrival might threaten spice holdings. Instead, Paul appeared from nowhere, wiped out House H, became THE threat to blow up spice fields (he himself assumed Great Houses must have come at the behest of Emperor; Great Houses think, "WHY TF would we attack??"), usurped the throne, chose NOT to "tell his side of the story" and decided to blow them up when they disagreed he did not go through a more civilized or diplomatic option. Great Houses got screwed for nothing. Terribly funny. One thing I learned from this scene is having prescience allows Paul to see past, present, future actions, but not intentions.
0:16 I honestly find this scene funny because of the fact that this perfectly represents how many video game story narrative players go rogue and this is basically every NPC's reaction to them. 0:21 Also the fact that the main character is powerful because *WE* (the player) determine the story's outcome, deciding everyone's fate.
It's originally pointed towards Alia, the soonborn fetus. But the movie for some reason changed or hid that. I suppose Denis wanted to leave it upto the viewers. So many people assume she meant Paul as a male bene geserit is an abomination. I like to think Alia said something sinister towards reverend mother telepathically, and she replied with that.
No it isn't perfect, in fact the changes botch the entire ending, this is almost as bad as what they did to Witcher, atomics can't kill the worms, and the worms are the spice, really sad they left that entire plot thread out of the movie, they had more time than the sci fi channel mini series, and yet managed to be less accurate to the story than David Lynches fever dream
There is no need to be "totally accurate" when you can do better. You're blinded by the all "holy FH books" without realizing what Villeneuve did better. The books are far from perfect. The movie is not perfect. But he does some stuff MUCH better, like the entire gladiator scene. Many improved details and choices you surely didn't understand because "it's not like that in the booooooks". Chani big change is much welcome, she's not stupid now. Feys is less ridiculous and much deeper in the movie, he's not a fake warrior. Lynches attempt was a failure, trying to be accurate is not enough to make a good movie. I mean just compare how look BG women in both movies. It makes much more sense in the Villeneuve version. They're attractive, they seduce perfectly. Not some half-bald witches like in Lynche film. So many ugly, ridiculous, grotesque art choices. It you were less "fanatic" you could maybe listen to Denis on some interviews and understand his choices. FH book 1 was a partial failure because his readers didn't understand the false-messiah thing and FH was frustrated because of this. But in Villeneuve movie, you understand much better than our good friend Paul is not so cool anymore.
Love how Feyd smirks slightly to indicate "OH man this guy is NOT bluffing" haha
I don’t think that was a smirk, rather, it was a look of surprise.
@@TheJabady I think he envied Paul at that moment, he look interested 😂
@@Jpifr Oh, for sure. What did the Bene Gesserit say about Feyd earlier? "His levers are desire and humiliation." He spent the entire movie either humiliating people, like the doctor in the arena and Raban, or looking at his uncle, the Baron, with naked desire to usurp him. The Baron even incentivized him by offering him the throne of Emperor.
Feyd is downright ENCHANTED with Paul the entire time the Fremen attack on on the palace is happening. He's mesmerized by someone so effortlessly doing everything he wishes he could do. He wishes he could humiliate the Baron, the Emperor, and the Bene Gesserit the way Paul does. And perhaps his limited prescience has shown him hints of a path to get there. He probably feels, on some level, how similar he and Paul really are.
If he could awaken the same way Paul did, he could do the things that Paul does, and worse. And *that* is probably why Paul ultimately goes ahead with the Jihad. Feyd is just one of many cousins of his that could awaken abilities like his and use them for far more sinister things than Paul does. In fact, Paul sees a future where every house and many organizations have their own Kwisatz Haderachs, all of them awakened, and they're all waging war on each other based not on what *is*, but on what their visions tell them *will be*.
Politics, war, and everything else becomes a tangled mess as they respond to things that haven't happened yet, and then their opponents respond to those responses, back and forth for eternity. Paul sees the slow, tortuous extinction of humanity in Feyd. The only solution is to nullify that prescient vision in some way, and to kill the fanaticism and zealotry and blind loyalty that causes people to follow people like the Harkonnens and even the Atreides. That's what Paul will wrestle with for the rest of his life.
It's more, 'OK, this guy is next level'.
Anything more is speculation.
@@NiteSaiya men thank you so much for your comment, it makes so much sense now.
Love that smirk on Jessica's face at the end of this.
She's proud of her son.
Dam right!!!
at this point, jessica isn't totally "jessica". the child occupies more of her personality than you'd think
I mean at this point Jessica is also clearly insane.
@@hem9483 So you just talking out your ass about stuff you don't know? First off her daughter is a pre born, a unique being that is conscious before their birth in the Dune universe. Her daughter occupies 0% of her mothers personality because they are distinct beings. They happen to be in one body because that's how pregnancy works. They are having psychic conversations because, spoiler alert, Bene Gesserit's and Pre-borns are psychics.
@@CedricBassman No, no she is not where the hell did you get that from??
Everyone has had enough words from that reverend mother. So it was satisfying when Paul yelled "SILENCE!!!"
People should remember that she’s not the villain in the story and that Paul is MOST DEFINITELY not the hero!
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261
Matters not. Out of the 2, I still would chose Paul.
If ever forced between one evil and the other, that manipulative women would not be my choice.
@@eiyu-okuroryokan2634 But you’re just fine with Paul manipulating an entire people in order to enact his revenge on his enemies and also start the worst religious war in history? Ok. 😊
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 Paul does it with a flair so he get a pass
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 Those witches brought it upon themselves.
The brass on the "SILENCE" was quite something.
I think I've never quite had a cinema experience like this one. Perfection.
The way it's done in IMAX is the best possible way to experience it. The "Silence" doesn't just sound like a word being yelled, it sounds like its reverberating throughout your whole body.
@@ApexGale thing is, Paul didn't yell silence. he used the Voice
@@Sekijuann that's my point, the Voice is best experienced in IMAX because it makes it sound more than just Paul yelling
Frank Herbert was a speach writer for politicians and all the actor's deliveries are spot on
im obsessed with dune, this scene is like, when paul gets his revenge for that "test" gaius helen mohiam did on him. And she's one of the most hatable characters for me.
You either have to watch it in theaters or get a very good sound system lol
When it finally comes to a streaming platform I'm gonna use my studio headphones to watch it
The sound was unbelievable. Went to watch 3x just to experience sound again.
Shaddam killed Leto out of jealousy. He was paranoid that people would rally around Leto. He called Leto a good man, but a weak man as well. And so, in his spite towards Leto, Shaddam turned Leto's son into the opposite - a strong man, but a cruel one. One who would willingly start a holy way resulting in the deaths of billions. Congratulations, Emperor Shaddam. You've created a monster.
Humans will always only ever think about themselves in the end. There is no benevolent ruler that would put the people's future above himself; as evidenced by the God Emperor Leto being fictional.
He was manipulated. Not really in control if you prefer. BG was always the real deal. It's clearly said in the movie.
@@AnotherSpaceCowBoy Of course, it was always within the Bene Gesserit's goals to replace Shaddam with one of theirs. They wanted Irulan on the throne. So they took advantage of Shaddam's jealousy and spite to have a potential challenge to the throne killed.
House Atreides was attacked with the implicit consent of the emperor, because they managed to train a small force on par with the Sardaukar. That was the reason the emperor saw them as a threat.
I love how Gurney just returned in 3 seconds like "Message sent, my lord" like there was still WhatsApp there somehow in the far future
hahaha
That silences moment.. both feyd and irulan wet themselves wanting a taste of paul😂
In theaters I didn't notice the quick cut to Feyd after Paul yelled "SILENCE!" That brief moment of awe that almost immediately gave way to giddy anticipation for the imminent fight speaks volumes to Austin Butler's acting chops.
goosebumps!
Oh, in IMAX I also fell backwards! 😵💫
0:22 FUS ROAH DAH!
THAT'S SO GOOD XD
I see an Oscar here
Me too bro haha
. He still has to demonstrate acting chops for Oscar worthy performance.. well at least back in the day it was about acting skill.. now it's about meaningless politics.
Dune is a large property that Most actors can hide behind..
People Love their beloved Dune Title more than the actors.
My only letdown with this scene was how the threat to destroy the spice was handled. Yeah, the Water of Death was a bit of a strange plot contrivance, but triggering an unstoppable chain reaction that would kill the worms and destroy the spice had that threatening permanence, whereas nuking the fields, well, that doesn't guarantee the extintion of the worms, so the spice will eventually return, and two, they only have limited warheads to destroy all spice on the entire planet?
Plus, the reaction from the crowd in the book makes Paul so much more badass, how everyone immediately panics, tries to negotiate and compromise and he just coldly puts his foot down to command the spacing guild to send the Great Houses away. That and the part with him taunting Mohiam, saying here is the result of your generations of plotting, and I will never do your bidding. I do wish this scene had been a bit more book accurate because it wasn't quite as badass as I was hoping for.
Dune 2 is sort of like one of those biblical epics from the 1950’s. Paul is sort of like Moses.
Maybe the best scene of the movie! When he said silence I thought "that's my boooyy"
never was Atomics but Changed Water of life to cease all Spice Production yet another change from the book
the houses accepting Paul as emperor was the last chance to stop the holy war
The Great Houses got flummoxed by the whole shebang of events 😂.
Baron Harkonnen called them to come because Emperor's arrival might threaten spice holdings. Instead, Paul appeared from nowhere, wiped out House H, became THE threat to blow up spice fields (he himself assumed Great Houses must have come at the behest of Emperor; Great Houses think, "WHY TF would we attack??"), usurped the throne, chose NOT to "tell his side of the story" and decided to blow them up when they disagreed he did not go through a more civilized or diplomatic option.
Great Houses got screwed for nothing. Terribly funny.
One thing I learned from this scene is having prescience allows Paul to see past, present, future actions, but not intentions.
Why is this cropped vertically
0:16 I honestly find this scene funny because of the fact that this perfectly represents how many video game story narrative players go rogue and this is basically every NPC's reaction to them.
0:21 Also the fact that the main character is powerful because *WE* (the player) determine the story's outcome, deciding everyone's fate.
Why does she say “abomination?”
It's originally pointed towards Alia, the soonborn fetus. But the movie for some reason changed or hid that. I suppose Denis wanted to leave it upto the viewers. So many people assume she meant Paul as a male bene geserit is an abomination. I like to think Alia said something sinister towards reverend mother telepathically, and she replied with that.
This scene gets me going so fucking hard. Love the shameless masculinity
absolutely bro !!
Im not in the wrong on this
absolutely not bro
Your feet?!?! You'll be lucky to keep your head
goosebumps!
Using the voice on your mother in law.
Not his mother in law lol
She's his grandmother
@@casuallycrypto9841 She's not his grandmother
@@grottphd9090 It's debatable, never strictly stated but it is reasonably likely.
Let me train for a month to get fitness and I'll take on anyone
alright alright haha
😅😅😅 funny.
Absolutely haha
0:21
It was great although I missed Alia and Chani was a whiney child
This scene was just the worst. After the golden perfection that was the fremen rally scene. This was just a petulant child shouting at people.
agree
The House Atreides atomics will be used to obliterate all spice fields?
What a load of crap.
No it isn't perfect, in fact the changes botch the entire ending, this is almost as bad as what they did to Witcher, atomics can't kill the worms, and the worms are the spice, really sad they left that entire plot thread out of the movie, they had more time than the sci fi channel mini series, and yet managed to be less accurate to the story than David Lynches fever dream
There is no need to be "totally accurate" when you can do better. You're blinded by the all "holy FH books" without realizing what Villeneuve did better. The books are far from perfect. The movie is not perfect. But he does some stuff MUCH better, like the entire gladiator scene. Many improved details and choices you surely didn't understand because "it's not like that in the booooooks". Chani big change is much welcome, she's not stupid now. Feys is less ridiculous and much deeper in the movie, he's not a fake warrior.
Lynches attempt was a failure, trying to be accurate is not enough to make a good movie. I mean just compare how look BG women in both movies. It makes much more sense in the Villeneuve version. They're attractive, they seduce perfectly. Not some half-bald witches like in Lynche film. So many ugly, ridiculous, grotesque art choices. It you were less "fanatic" you could maybe listen to Denis on some interviews and understand his choices. FH book 1 was a partial failure because his readers didn't understand the false-messiah thing and FH was frustrated because of this. But in Villeneuve movie, you understand much better than our good friend Paul is not so cool anymore.
that silence scene gives me straight chills the power in that word. damn