Robinson commented that once a fighter has trained to a certain level, their techniques and responses become almost reflexive. "You don't think. It's all instinct. If you stop to think, you're gone." Bruce Lee within the sphere of Martial arts was always banging on about this very point as well.
the desire to win, the hard work, the natural ability, the dedication are fundamentals of all great champions but this man to this day is in a league of his own. an icon
Ali was great but even he bowed his head towards Robinson. Ali called Sugar Ray his idol and tried to emulate him in his training and his fights. Ali was essentially Sugar Ray's biggest, most able fan boy LOL.
Isidro Santa Maria yeah haha something cute about how Ali looked up to him, he once met Sugar and he rejected to give a autograph to ali, since that day Ali never refused a autograph
@@harleyel6115 wrong floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan Answer is no these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on
@@PeopleAreNouns lies floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan Answer is no these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on
Cont: Part 2: Dempsey, Louis, Langford and Roberto Duran could box and punch, but they could not outbox boxers with speed and agility. Ali could outbox punchers but he could not out punch punchers. Ali was also one dimensional in that he was strictly a head hunter and not a complete fighter. In terms of all around ability, hitting power and versatility, Robinson deserves the top spot.
Cont:3 Even after his last fight which is nearly 50 years ago. The Ring Magazine (*Which is considered the BIBLE OF BOXING) still has Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest BOXER the Sport of boxing has ever seen. The Ring Magazine is coming up to 100 years old. And that organisation has seen alot of boxing over the years. Thank goodness for The Ring Magazine.
Without a doubt the most complete fighter of all time. He could out box you like Ray Leonard or Ali,but could do it better. He could play defense, counter punch with precision shots like Mayweather or Whitiker, could transform himself into a killer like Frazier, Duran or Chavez, and had devistating knock out power with both hands. Every other fighter I know of in history had a weakness in some area of their game, but not this guy. He is the quintessential "perfect fighter" and the only one ever.
Cont: Part6 Killer instinct is the instrument the drives the wheel of destruction in many of the great fighters. Nat Fleischer once wrote that Robinson, for all his skill, could rip and tear like a Jack Dempsey.
Sugar Ray Robinson was so good that even Joe Louis and Henry Armstrong came to watch his fights to learn something new in Boxing. He was that good. Remember he won world middleweight titles at the ages of 35, 37 and 38 years old against world class middle weights
@Ken nifo check his record. after his loss to lamotta he went undefeated in 94 fights with 91 wins. chavez had 90 wins. hence srr was undefeated in more fights
Of course yeah if you put it that way but, that’s not undefeated. He lost prior before achieving that. Chavez won his before losing. It’s not an undefeated streak if you lost already. Don’t get me wrong SRR is still the greatest ever. I’m just telling how it actually works.
im sure he'd beat pacman, mayweather and khan as well. He just has much more grace, much more balance and much more strength in his fist, not to mention much more endurance, and much more footwork. everything really.
@@ericmatterson9905 floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan Answer is no these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on
@@yeche4576 floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan Answer is no these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on try watching full matches of ray see how stiff basic and slow he was
Cont2: Even Willie Pep rates Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest boxer/fighter that there has ever been. Remember when he lost to La Motta, he rearranged a Rematch with him within the next month of when he first lost to him. He also arranged 2 fights Before the rematch within that same month + Plus a rematch with La Motta within that same month; & won all 3 fights within the same month. No one could believe it. That's how good he was. And La Motta was the middleweight version of Marcianno.
Cont:3 But that wasn't what worried fighters, it was his boxing ability; in being able to fight either inside or fight on the outside, throw lightening combinationas & being able to take a great shot at the same time. He was something else, and that is why Muhammed Ali studied him more then any other boxer in his career.
st1ckycheese - You are right. He was probably the best component of Speed and Power that has ever existed in Boxing. The sad thing about all of this is that we will never see Sugar Ray Robinson in his true prime to see how fast, and how hard hit on film. All of his boxing matches when he was in his "prime" was mysteriously "Lost" when recorded. So no one can see him in his prime today. We can only read newspaper reels, or books or listen to all the old fighters that tells us about him.
All that is mentioned ABOVE is spot on. I don't really think people understand how good this man was.. Plus he fought in a society and a time that made it as difficult as it could be for black person living in the richiest country on the planet
SRR is and always will b the G.O.A.T no fighter today could live with him fighters today need 4 months to prepare for 1 fight SSL was fighting every 2 or 3 wks and b4 he retired the 1st time he was simply the best. The guy fought nearly 200 times dominating welterweight and middlewight for 15 years. The only reason USA doesnt dominate boxing like they use 2 is because all there sport stars r going 2 basketball and american football. I dont see that changing any time soon.
I agree. Ali footwork stands the test of time... he has the best I've seen... In my opinion Sugar Ray Robinson was the perfect fighter... period... Ali was the fanciest fighter...
Here another one for you. So good was Sugar Ray Robinson in the peak of his career that he had people like EddieFutch, Cus D' amato, Emmanuel Steward, Angelo Dundee & many other trainers or fighters like Joe Louis, Willie Pep coming to his fights so they could take notes down & learn what they had just seen in one of his fights. Alot of people think that he was a pretty fighter like Muhmmed Ali, but this Sugar Ray could really punch & really take a good shot. He even killed someone in the ring
Cont:4a He even attempted to fight for the Light heavyweight division, and would have won if it wasn't so hot. He made Joey Maxin look stupid at times with his jabbing , fast combinations and his left hook. He was something else, in my opinion. The greatest boxer/puncher in the history of sport of boxing so far.
Cont:4a And everyone in Boxing knows that Joe Louis could hit, & that one influence why he got from how to hit and knock you out. Another factor as to why he was so fast and adaptable was that he fought so many fights that he could fathom out a fighters style quite quickly. In the 1940's & 1950's boxing was the most popular sport in America. He fought the swarmers, the counter punches, the defensive fighters, the all out attack fighters, the knock out artists & beat them all. Not like today
His hand speed is still legendary today. Ask or research books by Eddie Futch, Emannuel Steward, or Teddy Atlas about his hand speed. Eveb Muhammed Ali asked especially for Ray Robinson to be his trainer. He wanted no one else to train him.
Cont2: Sugar Ray Robinson is still the only boxer in the history of the sport that was nearly 100% prefect. He could fight inside, fight on the outside like Ali, he could take a shot, go for the knock & do it, Jab like a dream, & had great, great movement , could got toe to toe with you. Remember this was Muhammed Ali idol & wanted Sugar Ray Robinson to teach him all he knew. There's a clip on You tube which you can hear Ali saying that Sugar Ray was the greatest fighter in the sport of boxing
the ref passes out from the heat exhaustion nevermind the fighters boxing it out that night, all those fighters back in the day were all bad asses and cant be compared to anyone today but P4P you must give the award to sugar ray
cont3: For Instance Sugar Ray Robinson, never did any training that involved Swiming which many fighters of then and now do today. He believed in Dancing. Yes Dancing, and it made him light on his feet, gave him endurance and allowed him to get into great positions to throw those incrediable combinations of his. Another thing that I believe his left hook was something else. But then again he could knocked you out with either hand.
I will even go and say this. Ray Robinson is to Boxing as: Charlie Parker is to Jazz Bruce Lee is to Kung Fu He is that important to the sport of boxing and boxing history. I just hope one a film gets made one day, and made properly like "Raging Bull", then we can all see how important and how good he was. And how hard his era within boxing was compared to todays era! Its far too easy to become World Champion these days!
Always remember this. When Bruce Lee came into the sports and arts of matial arts in the 1960's he changed the concept of that discipline. He mastered as many styles as possible within King Fu, and others and then put them all together so as to create one new style. A style so unique that we are now only just today begining to understand it all. Use this same thing when thinking of Sugar Ray Robinson in Professional Boxing. Remember the words of P4P had never been invented until SSR CAME!
@laparka1138 They need to. Does anyone know where I can find a good biography or autobiography about Sugar Ray Robinson? Also, is there a way to view all of his fights?
Cont:1 Having people of the stature within Boxing circles such as Cus D'amata, Eddie Futch, Joe Louis,Emanuel Steward, Muhammed Ali coming to your fights just to see what new technique that you had just developed so that they could be learn from you and try and put it in their learning manuals. Whoever lost those film reels & tapes of when Ray Robinson was around 26 to 29 years should be given a Horse Whipping as the world will now never see Sugar Robinson at his very, very best.
@faltagh - And that is why.. In 1997, The Ring magazine ranked him as the best pound for pound fighter in history of Boxing. In 1999, he was named "welterweight of the century" and "middleweight of the century" by the Associated Press. In 2007, ESPN.com featured the piece "50 Greatest Boxers of All Time", in which it named Robinson the top boxer in history. In 2003, The Ring magazine ranked him number 11 in the list of all-time greatest punchers.
Cont:4 He also trained different then anyone else even from today. He incorporated dancing techniques into his fight training and also "NEVER EVER used swimming in his training schedules. He felt that this weaken as fighter as confused their muscles in regards to preparing for a fight!
'Sugar' Ray Robinson is with out a doubt the greatest boxer to ever live just as Muhammad Ali stated when calling himself the greatest of all time he was speaking about heavyweight and the greatest fighter of all time pound for pound was 'Sugar' Ray Robinson.
So were Sugar Ray. Ray Skills were second to none as well, thats why it allowed him to win back World Middle weight titles against World Middleweight Champions, who were much much younger them him at the age of 35, 37 and 38 years old. He fought for the World Middleweight title at the age of 40 years old. But he lost that on points. His techniques were so good that why he won these titles at the age he did.
There a saying in Boxing. If you ever beat Sugar RAY Robinson in a boxing match. Never, EVER give him a re-match. He will always beat you. The reason being he would have figured you out and then beat you with it. He is probably the closiet boxer in the Sport that was a close to being 100% prefect as a Boxer in the History of the sport. He was that good. He was so good at Welter weight that no one would fight him, and yet they would not let him fight for a world title for 7 years!
Cont:3a Another factor in regards to him having fantastic reflexs for a boxer (Almost Kung Fu like!) was that he was a great dancer, which allowed him to move brilliantly to snap out jabs, counter punches or throw fire like combinations at will. But the with his punches he could hit. In fact he could knock out with either hand. He delevoped that via watching his hero Joe Louis when he was a boy, close up after carrying his hero's training gear (Joe Louis) to his gym.
Cont3: Remember as kid Sugar Ray Robinson used to carry Joe Louis Lit bag to the gym that Joe used to train at within Detriot. There he allowed the young kid that was Sugar Ray Robinson to watch him train, & how he threw those knock out punches that he became famed. Joe Louis was 7 years older then Sugar Ray Robinson at then. The Speed of Ray Robinson came from training, training & more training until he became prefect, & would you believe it from Dancing so that he became so nimble on his feet
Sugar Ray Robinson is still at the moment the only boxer/fighter in the history of the sport that was nearly 100% prefect as boxer/puncher in the sport of boxing. Ask any trainer then and now what they think - Professional trainers or Club Trainers , even today and just wait for the answers. Then you will hear for yourself.
Cont:2 He basicially took the style that Robinson had created within the Welterweight and Middleweight division and used the same style within the heavyweight division except for two disciplines that Robinson used as well. 1. Being able to Fight inside 2. Also being blessed with the albility of knocking you out with either Hand. Remember Ali even drove to his home looking for him to become his trainer & teach him all he knew. Robinson was even at Ali's side when he first fought Sonny Liston.
Cont5: Such was the force of the Knockout, and the final right hand that was delivered by Sugar Robinson to Graziano - that it knocked out his gum shield right into the crowd, and also as Graziano laid there on the floor. Many people including his trainers could see his legs twitching the uncontrollable - such was the force of the knock out punch by Sugar Ray Robinson!
Cont:3 He was so good that Joe Louis, Henry Amstrong & all of boxing turned up to learn something new from him. Remember he grew up in the same neighbourhood as Joe Louis & Henry Armstrong. He was a kid & they were on the top of the craft. He would carry Joe Louis kit bag, & gloves etc. He (Joe Louis) would give him tips about boxing & the same goes for Henry Armstrong. However, in time they would turn up to all his fights (Ray Robinson) to see if they could learn anything from him in boxing.
Most wins of any Welterweight and Middleweight Champion Most Knockouts of any Welterweight and Middleweight Champion Fought the most amount of Champions in boxing history 18 (when there was only 1 belt in every weight class, and only 8 weight classes too) Longest undefeated streak in history-undefeated in 94 fights, with 91 wins Only man to have won the title in one weight class FIVE TIMES (Ali won x3) He fought 108 TOP 10 RANKED FIGHTERS and 10 Hall of Famers He won 21 rematches thumbs up !
Cont1: For instance - Joe Calaghze (28 years old & World Title Holder) fought Ray Jones Junior (38 years for a world title fight about 3 years ago, Ray Jones Junior unfortunately he lost. He was the Sugar Ray Robinson of his generation. Gene Fulmer (26 years Old, World Champion & Undisputed champion) v Sugar Ray Ronbinson, 37 years old). Sugar Ray Robinson knocks out a bloke that has never ever been down in his life!.Sugar Ray Robinson threw the best Left Hook in the history of boxing & wins
He fought Joey Maxim for the World Light heavyweight championship. Was giving away nearly 20lbs to Joey Maxim as well. He only lost because of heat exhausion. Even the Referee fainted they had to get another Referee. Having that extra weight helped Joey Maxim survive the heat and the pace of the fight. Otherwise he was behind on all cards, and Ray Robinson was in full control.
Cont:2a From then on he was so ashamed that he lost that fight to Jake la Matto in 1943, he never lost until 1951. In fact within his autobiography he felt the same sense of "loss" as when his hero "Joe Louis" lost to Max Schemling all those years ago. There's a rumour within Boxing on how his reflex's became so quick. It was due to his trainer/s who used to catch or bottle a normal House fly's. They would then release them & ask Ray Robinson to hit it when they was released. He always did.
Cont:3c The fight would become known as The St. Valentine's Day Massacre(`1951) and was made a huge focal point in the 8 x times nominated film called "Raging Bull" (That starred Robert De Niro and Joe Peshi). Ray Robinson had already beaten him 4 times out of 5, and yet Jake La Matta was World Middleweight Champion.
I was thinking the exact same thing, he would be perfect, Terrance has already played a young Cassus Clay in a tv movie so playing Ray Robinson shouldn't be too much of a departure.
Cont:5a To prove how good he was. At the age of 38 years old he fought the World Middle weight title against Gene Fullmer (Aged 27 years old - who was The World Middleweight title holder at the time. Fight happened at 1957. He knocked out Gene Fuller with what is still to this day considered one of the best left Hooks ever thrown in Boxing. Going slighly backwards, & throwing the left hook with just a 6inch leverage. He knocked out Gene Fuller. Who just never saw it coming.
Remember this - When he fought Gene Fulmer for example, Fulmer was as lengendary as the strong and bullish like Jake La Motta. For someone in our modern times Fulmer was like Chavez for durability & strength When they fought for the second time & for the World title Ray Robinson was 37 years old, and Gene Fuler was 26 years old. In this video you see that Ray Robinson threw a left hook that made everyone stare in disbelief in what they saw.One of the best left hook every thrown in the sport!
Cont:1 What people do not realise that he fought more champions or world champions then anyone in the history of the sport. Sometimes he fought World champions when he was 10 years older than them (He being 37 years at the time) , & still win! He was unique & something else in the sport as a boxer/fighter. He had a huge ego like Ali, but boxers, trainers, promotors & fight fans for him or against knew that they were seeing the greatest fighter that ever lived right in front of them.
Cont: Part 4 In terms of combination punching the two best fighters in history for speed, power, & accuracy are Joe Louis & Ray Robinson. Robinson worked some of the prettiest combinations ever seen & can be considered the best ever in this category.
Why hasn’t Hollywood ever made a biopic about Sugar Ray Robinson? He was a interesting person that led a fascinating life, not to mention he was the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time, I don’t get it.
Cont2: I have to say I have to congratulate you in your boxing knowledge, in fact there are a lot of people on this very thread who knowledge of the sport, boxing and of this man outstanding. The reason why I think that Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest fighter the sport of boxing has seen so far is that he could do every thing that is asked of you in the ring. Another thing in over nearly 250 fights, he was never knocked out. He training methods were unusal as well.
I don't know about Roy Jones. Roy's skills were simply mind-boggling. True, he wasn't able to fight as long and as well as Sugar Ray but Roy's pure boxing skills are second to none.
Cont:2 If you wanted to try & box, and out smart Ray Robinson. He could match you & out box you. If you wanted to try and go toe to toe. He had the power to knock you out dead with either hand. His jab was was brilliant, which after 80 years of modern day boxing. It is still the punch that boxing 90% of the time is based on. Before Robinson there wasn't anyone that could do anything. After his career the world had witnessed the first boxer who was nearly 100% prefect.
Another thing to remember - The fight would become known as The St. Valentine's Day Massacre(`1951) and was made a huge focal point in the 8 x times nominated film called "Raging Bull" (That starred Robert De Niro and Joe Peshi). Ray Robinson had already beaten him 4 times out of 5, and yet Jake La Matta was World Middleweight Champion. La Matta was again much heavier then him as well.
Cont1: He was so good that Muhammed Ali, Emanunal Steward, Eddie Futch, Floyd Patterson, Teddy Atlas, Reg Gutteridge, Colin Hart, Bert Sugar, Sugar Ray Leonard, Cus D'amato, Kid Gavilland, Jake La Motta the whole of the Kronx Gym (Detroit, Usa) and many others have all said that he was as near a complete fighter more then any other in boxing history. In fact they all say he was the greatest fighter/boxer in boxing history. He could out punch the punchers, and out box the boxers.
Robinson commented that once a fighter has trained to a certain level, their techniques and responses become almost reflexive. "You don't think. It's all instinct. If you stop to think, you're gone."
Bruce Lee within the sphere of Martial arts was always banging on about this very point as well.
My favorite quote about any fighter at 4:23. "You were in terrible trouble if Robinson was on one knee, and looking at you."
RIP Sugar Ray Robinson - True legend - Even Muhammad Ali (the cockiest fighter in history) said that Sugar Ray was the greatest of all time.
Fantastic Fighter 'Sugar Ray Robinson ' RIP.
200 fights
173 wins
108 KO
19 losses
6 draws
one word, AMAZING!
201 fights
174 wins
109 KOs
19 losses
the desire to win, the hard work, the natural ability, the dedication are fundamentals of all great champions but this man to this day is in a league of his own. an icon
Ali was great but even he bowed his head towards Robinson. Ali called Sugar Ray his idol and tried to emulate him in his training and his fights. Ali was essentially Sugar Ray's biggest, most able fan boy LOL.
Isidro Santa Maria yeah haha something cute about how Ali looked up to him, he once met Sugar and he rejected to give a autograph to ali, since that day Ali never refused a autograph
Srr one my all time greatest boxer ever.
was reading an article about Duran vs Barkley where Robinson at ringside said after that Duran was the best boxer he ever saw
Show me
I also heard Robinson say that about Willie Pep
Robinson would beat anyone in boxing today. Their just not made the same anymore.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY RAY :)
The Maxim fight was so messed up. In an indoor arena, Ray would’ve easily won the light heavyweight title
Greatest boxer ever lived, period.
Fact!!😎🤙🤘✊✌🏻
Right you are!!!!
@@harleyel6115 wrong floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd
did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan
Answer is no
these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his
So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on
@@PeopleAreNouns lies floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd
did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan
Answer is no
these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his
So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on
@@ascendediam let me ask you this, can Floyd beat Marvin and hearns or Duran!!🙇
Cont: Part 2:
Dempsey, Louis, Langford and Roberto Duran could box and punch, but they could not outbox boxers with speed and agility. Ali could outbox punchers but he could not out punch punchers. Ali was also one dimensional in that he was strictly a head hunter and not a complete fighter. In terms of all around ability, hitting power and versatility, Robinson deserves the top spot.
Cont:3
Even after his last fight which is nearly 50 years ago. The Ring Magazine (*Which is considered the BIBLE OF BOXING) still has Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest BOXER the Sport of boxing has ever seen.
The Ring Magazine is coming up to 100 years old. And that organisation has seen alot of boxing over the years.
Thank goodness for The Ring Magazine.
Still one of the best boxing videos on UA-cam
Simply the best. Ever.
Without a doubt the most complete fighter of all time. He could out box you like Ray Leonard or Ali,but could do it better. He could play defense, counter punch with precision shots like Mayweather or Whitiker, could transform himself into a killer like Frazier, Duran or Chavez, and had devistating knock out power with both hands. Every other fighter I know of in history had a weakness in some area of their game, but not this guy. He is the quintessential "perfect fighter" and the only one ever.
Cont: Part6
Killer instinct is the instrument the drives the wheel of destruction in many of the great fighters. Nat Fleischer once wrote that Robinson, for all his skill, could rip and tear like a Jack Dempsey.
Sugar Ray Robinson was so good that even Joe Louis and Henry Armstrong came to watch his fights to learn something new in Boxing.
He was that good.
Remember he won world middleweight titles at the ages of 35, 37 and 38 years old against world class middle weights
@Ken nifo check his record. after his loss to lamotta he went undefeated in 94 fights with 91 wins. chavez had 90 wins. hence srr was undefeated in more fights
Of course yeah if you put it that way but, that’s not undefeated. He lost prior before achieving that. Chavez won his before losing. It’s not an undefeated streak if you lost already. Don’t get me wrong SRR is still the greatest ever. I’m just telling how it actually works.
im sure he'd beat pacman, mayweather and khan as well. He just has much more grace, much more balance and much more strength in his fist, not to mention much more endurance, and much more footwork. everything really.
He would beat all three in the same night
@@ericmatterson9905 no doubt
@@ericmatterson9905 floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd
did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan
Answer is no
these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his
So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on
@@yeche4576 floyd never lost to anybody as outdated as ray and ray never fought anybody as skilled as floyd
did ray move as good as conteh/benitez who gave leonard trouble who was a flashy type like floyd not exact style but flashy still but not as advanced or did he have the advances as lopez/ Buchanan
Answer is no
these are all 1970s-80s fighter and were all more advanced then ray and people became even more advanced in 90s doing stuff they didn't do in his
So why is he picked to beat floyd/manny and others who he never would land on try watching full matches of ray see how stiff basic and slow he was
His left hook is text book! It's so effortless.
Cont2:
Even Willie Pep rates Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest boxer/fighter that there has ever been.
Remember when he lost to La Motta, he rearranged a Rematch with him within the next month of when he first lost to him.
He also arranged 2 fights Before the rematch within that same month + Plus a rematch with La Motta within that same month; & won all 3 fights within the same month.
No one could believe it. That's how good he was. And La Motta was the middleweight version of Marcianno.
Cont:3
But that wasn't what worried fighters, it was his boxing ability; in being able to fight either inside or fight on the outside, throw lightening combinationas & being able to take a great shot at the same time.
He was something else, and that is why Muhammed Ali studied him more then any other boxer in his career.
st1ckycheese - You are right. He was probably the best component of Speed and Power that has ever existed in Boxing.
The sad thing about all of this is that we will never see Sugar Ray Robinson in his true prime to see how fast, and how hard hit on film.
All of his boxing matches when he was in his "prime" was mysteriously "Lost" when recorded. So no one can see him in his prime today. We can only read newspaper reels, or books or listen to all the old fighters that tells us about him.
All that is mentioned ABOVE is spot on. I don't really think people understand how good this man was.. Plus he fought in a society and a time that made it as difficult as it could be for black person living in the richiest country on the planet
What a talent
SRR is and always will b the G.O.A.T no fighter today could live with him fighters today need 4 months to prepare for 1 fight SSL was fighting every 2 or 3 wks and b4 he retired the 1st time he was simply the best. The guy fought nearly 200 times dominating welterweight and middlewight for 15 years. The only reason USA doesnt dominate boxing like they use 2 is because all there sport stars r going 2 basketball and american football. I dont see that changing any time soon.
I agree. Ali footwork stands the test of time... he has the best I've seen... In my opinion Sugar Ray Robinson was the perfect fighter... period... Ali was the fanciest fighter...
Here another one for you. So good was Sugar Ray Robinson in the peak of his career that he had people like EddieFutch, Cus D' amato, Emmanuel Steward, Angelo Dundee & many other trainers or fighters like Joe Louis, Willie Pep coming to his fights so they could take notes down & learn what they had just seen in one of his fights.
Alot of people think that he was a pretty fighter like Muhmmed Ali, but this Sugar Ray could really punch & really take a good shot. He even killed someone in the ring
THE BEST!!!
Cont:4a
He even attempted to fight for the Light heavyweight division, and would have won if it wasn't so hot. He made Joey Maxin look stupid at times with his jabbing , fast combinations and his left hook.
He was something else, in my opinion. The greatest boxer/puncher in the history of sport of boxing so far.
Still the GOAT after all these years. A legend.
still not
@@ascendediam definitely is
@@liamrigby3629 yup sure is fighting novices proves that doesn't it
@@ascendediam novices like who
@@ascendediam Lamotta, Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Turpin, Graziano, Basilio and Fullmer were not novices lol 😂
If God ever said make a fighter a perfect fighter the closest he could ever come to is Sugar Ray Robinson.
the best ever.
That and the ability of having the full video of this same documentary, and having a number of books on the greatest fighter/boxing of all time.
"you were in terrible trouble if robinson was on one knee looking at you " what a fucking compliment
He was the most handsome boxer and the most complete fighter.
most complete how you need to watch more eras
Cont:4a
And everyone in Boxing knows that Joe Louis could hit, & that one influence why he got from how to hit and knock you out. Another factor as to why he was so fast and adaptable was that he fought so many fights that he could fathom out a fighters style quite quickly. In the 1940's & 1950's boxing was the most popular sport in America.
He fought the swarmers, the counter punches, the defensive fighters, the all out attack fighters, the knock out artists & beat them all. Not like today
His hand speed is still legendary today. Ask or research books by Eddie Futch, Emannuel Steward, or Teddy Atlas about his hand speed.
Eveb Muhammed Ali asked especially for Ray Robinson to be his trainer. He wanted no one else to train him.
got a love dat old guy da way he say one punch left hook
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Sugar Ray Robinson is still the only boxer in the history of the sport that was nearly 100% prefect. He could fight inside, fight on the outside like Ali, he could take a shot, go for the knock & do it, Jab like a dream, & had great, great movement , could got toe to toe with you.
Remember this was Muhammed Ali idol & wanted Sugar Ray Robinson to teach him all he knew.
There's a clip on You tube which you can hear Ali saying that Sugar Ray was the greatest fighter in the sport of boxing
the ref passes out from the heat exhaustion nevermind the fighters boxing it out that night, all those fighters back in the day were all bad asses and cant be compared to anyone today but P4P you must give the award to sugar ray
The Best Ever
sugar ray robinson is the greatest even my grandafather said that hes also a witness of srr greatness
they should make a movie of this man
Can someone post the HBO footage that was up here last summer. It was about an hour long really good stuff just like this piece. Thanks.
where can i find more of his jump rope routine? LOL!
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For Instance Sugar Ray Robinson, never did any training that involved Swiming which many fighters of then and now do today. He believed in Dancing. Yes Dancing, and it made him light on his feet, gave him endurance and allowed him to get into great positions to throw those incrediable combinations of his.
Another thing that I believe his left hook was something else. But then again he could knocked you out with either hand.
just watched that fight, that right hand was picture perfect, really fluid in motion. do u know what weight gloves they used back then.
#1 Sugar Ray
was there ever a movie about this man
I will even go and say this.
Ray Robinson is to Boxing as:
Charlie Parker is to Jazz
Bruce Lee is to Kung Fu
He is that important to the sport of boxing and boxing history.
I just hope one a film gets made one day, and made properly like "Raging Bull", then we can all see how important and how good he was. And how hard his era within boxing was compared to todays era! Its far too easy to become World Champion these days!
Always remember this.
When Bruce Lee came into the sports and arts of matial arts in the 1960's he changed the concept of that discipline. He mastered as many styles as possible within King Fu, and others and then put them all together so as to create one new style. A style so unique that we are now only just today begining to understand it all. Use this same thing when thinking of Sugar Ray Robinson in Professional Boxing.
Remember the words of P4P had never been invented until SSR CAME!
The true king!
@laparka1138 They need to. Does anyone know where I can find a good biography or autobiography about Sugar Ray Robinson? Also, is there a way to view all of his fights?
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Having people of the stature within Boxing circles such as Cus D'amata, Eddie Futch, Joe Louis,Emanuel Steward, Muhammed Ali coming to your fights just to see what new technique that you had just developed so that they could be learn from you and try and put it in their learning manuals.
Whoever lost those film reels & tapes of when Ray Robinson was around 26 to 29 years should be given a Horse Whipping as the world will now never see Sugar Robinson at his very, very best.
Thank you gangst1978 for getting back to me on that question. Take care.
@faltagh -
And that is why..
In 1997, The Ring magazine ranked him as the best pound for pound fighter in history of Boxing.
In 1999, he was named "welterweight of the century" and "middleweight of the century" by the Associated Press.
In 2007, ESPN.com featured the piece "50 Greatest Boxers of All Time", in which it named Robinson the top boxer in history.
In 2003, The Ring magazine ranked him number 11 in the list of all-time greatest punchers.
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He also trained different then anyone else even from today. He incorporated dancing techniques into his fight training and also "NEVER EVER used swimming in his training schedules. He felt that this weaken as fighter as confused their muscles in regards to preparing for a fight!
'Sugar' Ray Robinson is with out a doubt the greatest boxer to ever live just as Muhammad Ali stated when calling himself the greatest of all time he was speaking about heavyweight and the greatest fighter of all time pound for pound was 'Sugar' Ray Robinson.
Tyler Durden True
So were Sugar Ray. Ray Skills were second to none as well, thats why it allowed him to win back World Middle weight titles against World Middleweight Champions, who were much much younger them him at the age of 35, 37 and 38 years old. He fought for the World Middleweight title at the age of 40 years old. But he lost that on points. His techniques were so good that why he won these titles at the age he did.
There a saying in Boxing. If you ever beat Sugar RAY Robinson in a boxing match. Never, EVER give him a re-match. He will always beat you.
The reason being he would have figured you out and then beat you with it.
He is probably the closiet boxer in the Sport that was a close to being 100% prefect as a Boxer in the History of the sport. He was that good.
He was so good at Welter weight that no one would fight him, and yet they would not let him fight for a world title for 7 years!
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Another factor in regards to him having fantastic reflexs for a boxer (Almost Kung Fu like!) was that he was a great dancer, which allowed him to move brilliantly to snap out jabs, counter punches or throw fire like combinations at will.
But the with his punches he could hit. In fact he could knock out with either hand. He delevoped that via watching his hero Joe Louis when he was a boy, close up after carrying his hero's training gear (Joe Louis) to his gym.
Happy birthday champ
ray robinson is my 5th favorite fighter ever
2:12 has to be the sickest most meanest punch I've ever scene on youtube and boxing for that matter.
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Remember as kid Sugar Ray Robinson used to carry Joe Louis Lit bag to the gym that Joe used to train at within Detriot. There he allowed the young kid that was Sugar Ray Robinson to watch him train, & how he threw those knock out punches that he became famed. Joe Louis was 7 years older then Sugar Ray Robinson at then.
The Speed of Ray Robinson came from training, training & more training until he became prefect, & would you believe it from Dancing so that he became so nimble on his feet
Sugar Ray Robinson is still at the moment the only boxer/fighter in the history of the sport that was nearly 100% prefect as boxer/puncher in the sport of boxing. Ask any trainer then and now what they think - Professional trainers or Club Trainers , even today and just wait for the answers. Then you will hear for yourself.
Amen.
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He basicially took the style that Robinson had created within the Welterweight and Middleweight division and used the same style within the heavyweight division except for two disciplines that Robinson used as well.
1. Being able to Fight inside
2. Also being blessed with the albility of knocking you out with either Hand.
Remember Ali even drove to his home looking for him to become his trainer & teach him all he knew. Robinson was even at Ali's side when he first fought Sonny Liston.
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Such was the force of the Knockout, and the final right hand that was delivered by Sugar Robinson to Graziano - that it knocked out his gum shield right into the crowd, and also as Graziano laid there on the floor. Many people including his trainers could see his legs twitching the uncontrollable - such was the force of the knock out punch by Sugar Ray Robinson!
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He was so good that Joe Louis, Henry Amstrong & all of boxing turned up to learn something new from him.
Remember he grew up in the same neighbourhood as Joe Louis & Henry Armstrong. He was a kid & they were on the top of the craft. He would carry Joe Louis kit bag, & gloves etc. He (Joe Louis) would give him tips about boxing & the same goes for Henry Armstrong. However, in time they would turn up to all his fights (Ray Robinson) to see if they could learn anything from him in boxing.
Most wins of any Welterweight and Middleweight Champion
Most Knockouts of any Welterweight and Middleweight Champion
Fought the most amount of Champions in boxing history 18 (when there was only 1 belt in every weight class, and only 8 weight classes too)
Longest undefeated streak in history-undefeated in 94 fights, with 91 wins
Only man to have won the title in one weight class FIVE TIMES (Ali won x3)
He fought 108 TOP 10 RANKED FIGHTERS
and 10 Hall of Famers
He won 21 rematches
thumbs up !
Cont1: For instance - Joe Calaghze (28 years old & World Title Holder) fought Ray Jones Junior (38 years for a world title fight about 3 years ago, Ray Jones Junior unfortunately he lost. He was the Sugar Ray Robinson of his generation.
Gene Fulmer (26 years Old, World Champion & Undisputed champion) v Sugar Ray Ronbinson, 37 years old).
Sugar Ray Robinson knocks out a bloke that has never ever been down in his life!.Sugar Ray Robinson threw the best Left Hook in the history of boxing & wins
In the last two rounds, Joe Frazier couldn't hold his hands up while Ali was tired but still able to land good punches.
He fought Joey Maxim for the World Light heavyweight championship. Was giving away nearly 20lbs to Joey Maxim as well. He only lost because of heat exhausion. Even the Referee fainted they had to get another Referee. Having that extra weight helped Joey Maxim survive the heat and the pace of the fight. Otherwise he was behind on all cards, and Ray Robinson was in full control.
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From then on he was so ashamed that he lost that fight to Jake la Matto in 1943, he never lost until 1951. In fact within his autobiography he felt the same sense of "loss" as when his hero "Joe Louis" lost to Max Schemling all those years ago.
There's a rumour within Boxing on how his reflex's became so quick. It was due to his trainer/s who used to catch or bottle a normal House fly's. They would then release them & ask Ray Robinson to hit it when they was released. He always did.
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The fight would become known as The St. Valentine's Day Massacre(`1951) and was made a huge focal point in the 8 x times nominated film called "Raging Bull" (That starred Robert De Niro and Joe Peshi). Ray Robinson had already beaten him 4 times out of 5, and yet Jake La Matta was World Middleweight Champion.
I was thinking the exact same thing, he would be perfect, Terrance has already played a young Cassus Clay in a tv movie so playing Ray Robinson shouldn't be too much of a departure.
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To prove how good he was. At the age of 38 years old he fought the World Middle weight title against Gene Fullmer (Aged 27 years old - who was The World Middleweight title holder at the time. Fight happened at 1957.
He knocked out Gene Fuller with what is still to this day considered one of the best left Hooks ever thrown in Boxing.
Going slighly backwards, & throwing the left hook with just a 6inch leverage. He knocked out Gene Fuller. Who just never saw it coming.
Remember this - When he fought Gene Fulmer for example, Fulmer was as lengendary as the strong and bullish like Jake La Motta. For someone in our modern times Fulmer was like Chavez for durability & strength
When they fought for the second time & for the World title Ray Robinson was 37 years old, and Gene Fuler was 26 years old. In this video you see that Ray Robinson threw a left hook that made everyone stare in disbelief in what they saw.One of the best left hook every thrown in the sport!
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What people do not realise that he fought more champions or world champions then anyone in the history of the sport. Sometimes he fought World champions when he was 10 years older than them (He being 37 years at the time) , & still win!
He was unique & something else in the sport as a boxer/fighter. He had a huge ego like Ali, but boxers, trainers, promotors & fight fans for him or against knew that they were seeing the greatest fighter that ever lived right in front of them.
Can someone please post the HBO footage of Sugar Ray Robinson? Thanks.
Cont: Part 4
In terms of combination punching the two best fighters in history for speed, power, & accuracy are Joe Louis & Ray Robinson. Robinson worked some of the prettiest combinations ever seen & can be considered the best ever in this category.
Great humane B. Best boxer ever in the history of this unique sport
@redjam40 you got that so right that to answer him is crazy lol!!
Why hasn’t Hollywood ever made a biopic about Sugar Ray Robinson? He was a interesting person that led a fascinating life, not to mention he was the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time, I don’t get it.
You should think twice about that, and read a book called Sugar Ray Robinson. He had a VERY interesting life.
God, Imagine a fight between Sugar Ray And Muhammad Ali, jesus christ, two best fighters that will ever live.
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I have to say I have to congratulate you in your boxing knowledge, in fact there are a lot of people on this very thread who knowledge of the sport, boxing and of this man outstanding.
The reason why I think that Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest fighter the sport of boxing has seen so far is that he could do every thing that is asked of you in the ring. Another thing in over nearly 250 fights, he was never knocked out. He training methods were unusal as well.
Suger rays better than almost any modern day boxer! Wish a was there to watch him do work!
I don't know about Roy Jones. Roy's skills were simply mind-boggling. True, he wasn't able to fight as long and as well as Sugar Ray but Roy's pure boxing skills are second to none.
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If you wanted to try & box, and out smart Ray Robinson. He could match you & out box you. If you wanted to try and go toe to toe. He had the power to knock you out dead with either hand.
His jab was was brilliant, which after 80 years of modern day boxing. It is still the punch that boxing 90% of the time is based on.
Before Robinson there wasn't anyone that could do anything. After his career the world had witnessed the first boxer who was nearly 100% prefect.
Prime SRR vs Prime RJJ is my all time dream matchup.
Another thing to remember - The fight would become known as The St. Valentine's Day Massacre(`1951) and was made a huge focal point in the 8 x times nominated film called "Raging Bull" (That starred Robert De Niro and Joe Peshi). Ray Robinson had already beaten him 4 times out of 5, and yet Jake La Matta was World Middleweight Champion.
La Matta was again much heavier then him as well.
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He was so good that Muhammed Ali, Emanunal Steward, Eddie Futch, Floyd Patterson, Teddy Atlas, Reg Gutteridge, Colin Hart, Bert Sugar, Sugar Ray Leonard, Cus D'amato, Kid Gavilland, Jake La Motta the whole of the Kronx Gym (Detroit, Usa) and many others have all said that he was as near a complete fighter more then any other in boxing history. In fact they all say he was the greatest fighter/boxer in boxing history.
He could out punch the punchers, and out box the boxers.
Yes it is Joe Louis. You are right
@angelo171 just be glad we have video...think jim thorpe no videos