Is Egypt's DELUXE Sleeper Train Actually Any Good? Cairo to Luxor
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2023
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Hello and welcome to Egypt for another video from North Africa!
Tonight we'll be taking the famous Watania Deluxe Sleeper Train from the capital, Cairo down the Nile, to the ancient city of Luxor in a private compartment. All meals are included so let's check out how Egypt does night trains... I do hope you enjoy the video!
Date of Filming: 4 to 5/3/23
Camera: GoPro Hero 10 Black
Operator: Egyptian Railways
Departure: Cairo, Egypt
Arrival: Alexandria, Egypt
Cost: $120 (£96, €110)
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Thanks for the review. I agree that the train is old and dirty and needs a refresh and a new coat of paint, including new carpet. This price is good and cannot be complained about. Thanks about showing the WC for each train. This is where you will really find out how well the a train is kept and maintained.
Totally agree George 😁
Cairo station may easily be the best railway stations i have ever seen😮
The entrance was majestic
We spent our honeymoon in Egypt in 1988. took the tourist train from Cairo to Aswan. Then having travelled by boat from Aswan to Luxor, we got the train back to Cairo.
We were on a tour with some great people and had a lovely time. Things do not seem to have changed much.
Sounds like a great trip! ✌🏻
Some countries don't progress or evolve as quickly as some others.
@@camotech1314 😅
As a local, The general condition of these locos are nothing to surprise actually, they are more than 50 years old 😅, but it's getting renewed with new rolling stock from talgo, and a new operating company for the sleeping train services, so it may get better to be worth this price, great review mate, hope you had a delightful trip
Let's hope so!!
The locomotive on duty is new, it's in service since 2020
But, the HP of that Loco is far more Big than our regular Loco in my Country 😢
Great video !!
Great trip report
Love it 🤩🤩🤩
great video! this channel has quickly become one of my favorite channels to date!, thank you so much for all the effort and work you put in all of your videos, it feels surreal to be able to explore all these countries from your perspective, an as an Egyptian I'm very glad to hear that you enjoyed your trip, of course we all know that it's not perfect but it really takes open minded people like you who love travelling and exploring to see the true beauty and history that this world has to offer, keep doing what you do! 🥰❤
Thanks so much my friend ✌🏻😁
Wonderful trip report. The view of predawn and morning views of Luxor are so beautiful.
It really is!
Take a walk to a back street and the place run down. A different world to what they show in promation photos.
An exquisite video. So helpful. Great explanation, sound and music in the background. Greets from my hometown Berlin where trains are often late and not comfy.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Cool video and loved the background music. I've never been on an Egyptian train ,but back in 1983, travelled from Nairobi to Mombasa, Kenya on the then ' Lunatic Express.' It also was an overnight sleeper train, taking 13 hours or so starting at an elevation of roughly 5000ft dropping to sea level. The carriages dated from the 1950s and in order to prevent the partition, between cabins from swinging open, during the trip, you had to secure the bolt lock with blue tack!!! Breakfast was included and I had the most perfectly cooked and tastiest fried eggs ever! This train however and the old narrow gauge railway has now been superseded by a Chinese built new railway with a 75mph express which now completes the journey in 5 hours. The old line is apparently still there and runs roughly parallel with the new line with the former handling freight only.
Now something like that is DEFINITELY on my to-do list, thanks for sharing ☺️
Great video and I love the voiceover :-) I travelled on this service during the day in 2006 and it wasn't much better then! Great scenery though and an experience in itself!
Glad you enjoyed it Elaine, thanks 🙏🏻
Feeling ful back round music.superb capture..👍
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Another great video! Thanks for this - I'm planning on a trip to Egypt, and wanted a backup transport plan for the Luxor section. Very informative and wonderfully detailed.
Glad it was helpful!
Gracias por tu trabajo, magnifico video
De nada amigo ✌🏻
¡Excelente!, interesante y las informaciones muy completas, gracias! 😀😉
De nada amigo ✌🏻
Loved the music and the mysterious beauty of the surroundings and Luxor. Egypt always reminds me of all the classic mystery books that have it as their location notably Agatha Christies!
Yeah me too!!
I did this same trip in 1981 and loved it. I think it was the same train!
Probably 😂
I know I was worried about the new narrated video format. But I love it now. You have a great speaking voice!
Yay, thank you!
I had travelled in 2011 from Cairo to Alexandria on their express service which left Cairo at 6 AM. Good service and got me to Alexandria by 10. Enjoyed the train trip!
Thanks for sharing!
That view at the start, amazing. Interesting video, I’ve subscribed
Thanks for the sub! ✌🏻
Great video! Egyptian trains are the ones I want to travel one day :)
You should!
Thanks bud. Helps a lot 👌
No problem 👍
great and interesting trip!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Big thanks!
You're welcome!
Unique experience
ok, I checked out other vlogs on this train and learned the lounge car sells no alcoholic drinks but is filled with suffocating cigarette smoke. No thanks.
Egypt, as with much of the Islamic world, is a "dry" country, meaning no alcohol. As for tobacco, not sure.
@@willy.william4582 I can tell you from personal experience that I've had my fair share of alcoholic beverages in Egypt (and a number of other Middle Eastern countries as well) 😉
@@willy.william4582 No alcohol is a massive stretch, since in especially Egypt and North Africa a lot of the Arabic Christian groups live there and therefore they can have alcohol but most Muslims deter from it (most: meaning, actually, most, some Muslims opt to alc for some reason.) The proof I have of this claim is literally the alcohol store that's bare footsteps away from me and that I can take a picture of and show to prove.
The Lounge/snack car is basically a smoking car. You will suffocate the second you enter. It was horrible.
@@GigaSane Where do you live?
Planning to have a trip this mid-April. after Hurghada were going to visit Luxor and Aswan.
Have fun!
Another enjoyable video. Thanks kindly. As mentioned in my comment on your Cairo-Alex video, I’ve been down a few times to Luxor by train, and by bus. There’s some exquisite scenery along the way. I went when there were no “foreigner ticket prices”. But your hotel in Luxor looked dreadful. There are great places on the West Bank, away from the hubbub. The last time there, a few years ago, I stayed at a Danish run place. I had a large apt with balconies at each end, kitchen, swimming pool below, all for $10 a night. And a pesky man servant unashamedly wanting bakshish every time he saw me. By bus I stopped at Minya and stayed on a boat converted into a small hotel run by Christians, $8 the night with impressive views of the Nile. And further up I was at Asyut, a fundamentalist hive at the time, I had to wait to be escorted by a jeep with armed soldiers. They left me at the YMCA, run by some loonie people. To walk the streets an armed soldier, or policeman, would accompany me. The best train ride, though was from Nouadhibou, Mauritania to Atar in the Sahara. They were empty iron ore box cars. I think we all spent the cold night crying as we inhaled dust. Someone did a relatively recent video of that trip. Memories in my twilight years. Cheers from Nebraska, soon Kathmandu.
Thanks for sharing 😊🙏🏻
cairo is allways fascinating
Cool video
Awesome ride, If you recommend it , means it’s worth the price❤ thank you for sharing.
Hopefully with some refurbishment, it'll be even better soon!
Great video as usual. Even though the train looked dirty, dingy and in need of total refurbishment, i still think the fare wasn't too bad. Also, just wanted to say that i was a bit sceptical when you said you were changing the format of your videos and would be doing narration, as i quite liked your old format. But I've been pleasantly surprised as you have a great narration voice. I always look forward to seeing your travels and look forward to seeing many more. Best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪
sorry, but the fare is bad. Egyptair will charge you less for Cairo to Luxor for full flex economy, and barely more for buissness. And I'm talking tickets for tomorrow. and the flight is one hour.
@@mancubwwa I understand where you are coming from, but it's not just the travel, it's also his hotel and meals for the night and morning.
Exactly this ✌🏻
Gracias por el reporte. 🇺🇾
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That train definitely needs a deep clean and a full refurb
Nice video :)
Thank you very much!
@@NonstopEurotrip :D
Dinner & breakfast. Excellent. Contrast that to Trenitalia's sleeper to Sicily.. They could take the TALGO sleeeping cars from Renfe if they don't need them all anymore..
I think those Talgos went somewhere already? 🤔
The interior of the station is beautiful but that train needs a serious scrubbing down.
Altogether another great video. Thank you!
I think so too!
Nice Nice Tunes
Thank u for the beautiful video. Cairo central station looks stunning. Old but with modern facilities. Very Islamic architecture. Looks superb. Trains ofcourse needs upgrade.
That just about sums it up 😀
Im an Egyptian, and im truly sorry about how the train looked old and dirty and it needs a refresh clean and an upgrade! But im glad you liked the food, the bed, and how you visited my country! In my eyes ..Its really kind from you! 🇪🇬✨💖
No worries! And I still had a great trip 😀
@@NonstopEurotrip That's great then but I'm still sorry
Great trip. Definitely agree, the interior should be refurbished and need some cleaning, since this train only running at night time, they have much time to clean that interior.
Totally agree 👍🏻
I lived in Egypt for a few years back in the mid to late nineties and took this same journey a few times. I went first class seating rather than the sleeper though. Back then, it was fine and while not Western European standards it was still good, plenty of room with comfy seating that reclined a lot. It appears not a lot has been renewed and it looks very similar. Having said that, Cairo Station looks a lot better now.
Same train, probably 🙃
Train & most of Cairo = faded glory. So worth a visit. Try and stay at the Marriott Mena House in Giza. It’s right under the pyramids and is an opulent delight - or at least the old part is. Marriott have given the rest a facelift. Luxor is so interesting. You can also get there on your Nile river cruise.
I found a much better....well cheaper hotel 🙃
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Took the train back in 1987, this train was brand new that trip, very beautifull arrival in the morning in Luxor , lots of people at the station in Cairo , didn't bye a ticket, bought it after leaving Cairo by the conductor. , took after 3 days a airplane back, also a ticket at the airport, 2 hours before leaving , and some bakshees for the ticketseller, was fun, Nice arab people very kind to me.. (bismillah ir rahman ir rahmin)
Thanks for sharing!
Egyptians arent arab though
잘보고 갑니다 ^^
Decent train trip!
Thanks 😊
Calling that train deluxe is quite a stretch. As you mentioned, a good deep cleaning would do wonders for it. The price however is quite reasonable. Egypt is certainly on my bucket list.
They called it deluxe, not me 🙃
it depends on your definition's... on a lot of ferries (in Europe or in Japan) you see the cabins start with the "deluxe" level, anything bellow that being sleeper seats etc.
in some way, a single sleeper compartment itself is a deluxe service (for a train)... this would be similar to what a "first class" compartment was on a standard Soviet trains!
(some "named" trains had much better compartments but it all depended on the rank of line & the exclusiveness of the service you took), on the other hand, in some countries you can really expect a "deluxe" service to be a railway cruise...
Thank you for this review. I am planning an Egyptian trip in December and need to get from Luxor to Cairo. I had more or less discounted the overnight train after reading bad reports about the sleep quality, but I am now thinking about it again. The other alternative is tge daytime VIP train.
It's not so bad, it's worth doing it one direction at least for the experience imo! 😁
@@NonstopEurotrip Thanks. I'm flying into Hurghada, then travelling by bus to Luxor for a 7 night Nile cruise to Aswan and back to Luxor. I then need to get to Cairo for a few days before my onward flight. I like the idea of the daytime VIP train to get the Nile scenery on the way up.
@@thebouncer9107 that's the best option imo ✌🏻
@@NonstopEurotrip It would take an extra day and involve an extra hotel stay in Luxor, but I think it's worth it.
Everything about this train except the snowy white linen looks dingy, dirty and worn out...which is a great let down after entering the spectacular Cairo station.
That was kind of my conclusion too!!
I've been going to Egypt almost every year since the early 2000s so i took this train a couple of times back in like 2005-ish. It was the same exact train and back then it was great as it was in good state, AC was like a fridge, it looked and felt fresh and modern. It's a shame they've not refurbished it or anything, they could have bought some newer ones too since they were pretty popular with tourists and I'm sure they would be just as popular if they were new and thus had a good reputation again.
Do you feel like the country as a whole has gone downhill since you first started visiting?
@NonstopEurotrip I don't think it went downhill, I think it's complicated cause Egypt is a big country with a lot of people, in a troubled area and having had years of foreign european powers dictating for them, followed by a lot of political torment, instability, power hungry rulers, etc. This almost always leads to generalized, endemic corruption, nepotism and greed that becomes part of the culture at all levels. I am from Romania, in this region we all still deal with the similar effects of centuries or invasions, occupations, greed and then dictatorship, which kept us behind in some ways and resulted in people hungry for freedom, power and money, who didn't really have experience managing themselves, so we ended up with power and money hungry political cliques who don't care about anything else and don't know how to run a cou try effectively cause they got where they are through relations, money and nepotism.
Egypt has grown in some ways, middle and upper class people I think evolved overall, there's some extra infrastructure, tourism has expanded further, there's middle class and upper middle class neighborhoods in Cairo that have grown since I was first there for example, things have happened. But, at the same time, they had a very tumultuous period with the revolution that was wasted by the ruling elites, some bombings, covid. The period after the revolution was bad for tourism cause Egypt was considered unsafe, which I don’t think it was so much and I was there even the year of. That dragged them down as opposed to the full on tourist boom they were in before.
I guess there is this typical level of not caring and letting things decay, which happened to this train as well, not investing much in replacing and maintaining. Back in like 2010 Egypt Air was also pretty good and then it had a decline again. On the other hand, take Hurghada, now a big town with so many resorts and growing population. When I was there 1st, in 2002, as a teen, it was a quarter of that or less. Those hotels and businesses employ people, even if many probably don't pay them as well as they should, it's still more than many of those people would earn without tourism.
Anyway, sorry for the long reply, it's just very complicated to answer to that question, it's not a yes or no situation. It was a dream of mine to go to Egypt cause of the history and interesting culture and I liked it so I kept going back to visit and for the red sea.
@@entity22 Thanks, I appreciate it! I went for the first time this year and while I enjoyed the history, the rest of the country just seemed unfriendly and unwelcoming and full of scammers at every turn. Unfortunately I won't be rushing back...
@@entity22 "...Back in like 2010 Egypt Air was also pretty good and then it had a decline again..." I heard that smoking in the aircraft cockpit is legal under Egyptian aviation laws? Which was reportedly to blame for the crash of MS804
@NonstopEurotrip yeah, I guess in Egypt the hassle and scamming is probably the worst between the middle eastern and north african countries we generically call arabic. They are not unfriendly though, quite the opposite, they're just A LOT and chaotic. The average person there is poor and pretty uneducated(again cause of bad leadership) and their culture is very loud, maybe also cause they have a large population. I always thought the average westerner from western europe or the US likely is more shocked and uncomfortable with this than someone from the balkans, eastern europe or latin america where, by comparison, there is a bit more chaos and loudness. It's actually not as bad now as it was before.
They imported these trains many decades ago from Germany and they are running ever since. I think is better by train to go south than my plane.h.Ploog, Munich
The VIP daytime train is very good
Never done that one but I did do Cairo to Alexandria and the train was ok but nothing to write home about.I did the Cairo Metro and a bus Cairo to St Catherine too on my visit.
They got new trains now ✌🏻
I was wondering if you'd do a luxury train review, like the Orient express or the blue train or the palace on wheels?
Maybe for 100,000 subs 😃
Mildly interesting that there is a 13. That number is usually left out. As someone who grew up in Egypt in the 80s, it's interesting to see how little the "feel" of the country has changed.
What a nice lounge for a nightcap and casual conversation.😎✌ Is booze sold on train? 🍷🍸🍹🍺🍻🥂🥃You must show us more of the lounge on your next trip to Egypt and I'll search youtube in the meantime.
No booze unfortunately 😢
Have you taken the train down from Budapest down to Lake Balaton. The east side has more towns with the pretty city of Keszthely at the southern end being near Europe's 2nd largest natural thermal lake at Heviz. Try though going down the quieter (and prettier) west side of Balaton, does require a change at Tapolca on an old soveit-era 'Pacers', but there are forests, castles and smaller, more relaxed lake towns.
I have yes, I've explored Hungary quite a lot and have released many video already on the channel 😁
Egypt is great nation welcome to morocco
These sleeper trains are actually old, as they were imported from West Germany(MBB) in the mid-seventies. They were considered a breakthrough at that time , and remained in very good condition until the late nineties.
The sad thing is that the railway sector in Egypt in the seventies and eighties was better than now in terms of cleanliness and the modernity of the fleet compared to the other countries at that time. For example, but not limited to, we had the integrated unit, the French turbo train, which was similar to the French TGV express trains, and it covered the distance from Cairo to Alexandria in an hour and 45 minutes . Exactly, even the new
Talgo train cannot achieve this speed
any way , there are currently active efforts to revive the railway sector in Egypt, in addition to establishing new electrified high-speed railway lines in cooperation with Siemens Mobility.
Thanks for your videos and sorry for my bad english 15:53
Your English is fine, thanks for the comment. Hopefully the can get some new coaches soon 😀
@@NonstopEurotrip❤
I would like to see a video about the "Glacier Express" in Switzerland
It's on my to-do list 😊
Show us the lounge ! It looked great
I did
Hello there! So, I can book this trip using your OMIO link right? :) Is that how you booked your tickets? When I search on Omio, it says no results. Thank you for your help!
You can't unfortunately, you need to book directly: wataniasleepingtrains.com/Home
GOOOOSH, if this is a LUXURY TRAIN, I can just imagine the STANDART TRAIN...😮😮wanted to go in NOVEMBER w/my daughter...but now...I'm scared...
There's a day train that's much nicer tbh
hello, can I know the hotel name with pyramids view that you filmed in the begining of the video?
Pyramid valley hotel
In Egypt, train travelling is easy, as nearly all Egypt is "one dimensional". 🙂
I took trains from Cairo to Alexandria and back, from Cairo to Luxor (by day train), from Luxor to Aswaan, And from Aswaan Main to Aswaan Saddu l-'ali (in order to take the ferry to Wadi Halfa in Sudan).
I also think this nighttrain is a little bit on the old side and needs some refurbishment. But hei.... everything in Egypt is old. 🙂
It's definitely not easy
I have an idea: maybe you could show the destination a little more than now so maybe have a short tour of it.
I do try to show some, but most people click off which really hurts the reach of the video!
Well Inwas on the daytrain many times. Was it still possible to smoke on the balconies of the train? I have been to El minya , where I experienced also a lot of secret police, in the town and on the balcony of the train where it was possible to smoke, and where I smoked my cigars.(at least in 2012).
I don't think you were meant to, but people were
do you know how I can book a train from cairo to alexandria ahead of time?
When I was there, it wasn't possible. Maybe they've sorted it now on their website?
You said that you can buy train tickets online. When I search on the internet, there are a lot of options and I couldn't find which one is the official site. If you know, can you give me a link?
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I’m on this train to Aswan now. That mattress might be soft until you lay on it; then it feels the same as sleeping on a floor!! The pillows are good though. Put on an N95 mask to hopefully mask the cigarette smell but it’s not working. The train is very loud and rattles/vibrates a lot. Zero sleep. Not good for a light sleeper (even used a white noise machine and ear plugs). Bathroom looks clean but stinks of urine.
No improvement with change of operator then!
Hallo, can get a ticket directly at the counter on the same day?
Yes, if it's not sold out
I’m happy to hear that you had a good nights rest and that the linen was clean. But oh my the carriages need a complete overhaul 😮
Yes they do Rob, 100% lol
man you are welcome in Egypt
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What song and name hote view pyramid mate ?
Pyramids view Hotel
How can we book tickets online from India. Please share link
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Aye they did look pretty grotty those carriages
Yep 🤣
@@NonstopEurotrip reminds me of an hotel I once stayed in in Barcelona when I was broke lol
@@matthewharty6531 😅😅😅
What's the name of the hotel that had that view of the pyramids? Thanks
Pyramids Valley Hotel 🏨
Thank you for including the CC. I can get most of what you're saying, but my hearing is going downhill, and just a few missed words can be annoying. I know it's extra work, and I appreciate it.
You're very welcome Nancy 🙏🏻
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un excellent sous titrage, ce qui est hélas rarement le cas....
Glad you liked them!
Brilliant video, but I think I'll continue to take the plane between Cairo and Luxor. One hour flight compared to ten hours on the train... by the way, the foreigners' prices, that's everywhere in Egypt. Get a local to purchase everything for you!
It's not buying the tickets that a problem, it's using them. Foreigners are fined for using the 'cheap' tickets
@@NonstopEurotrip Oh I see, disgusting, didn't know that. It's disgusting how they apply different prices everywhere. But try to get an Egyptian to buy especially tourist souvenirs for you instead of buying them yourself. That is, I wouldn't recommend anything except the genuine alabaster items they make near the King's Valley in Luxor, clothes in Cairo and maybe a few papyri from Luxor - everything else is cheap tat and exactly the same nonsense that gets sold on ebay especially in the US. And if anyone "recommends" a certain store, or even takes you there, he is being paid commission.
Whenever I see Luxor and Egypt as a whole, I immediately think of one fav film, Death on the Nile. It was a film inspired by the book written by British writer Agatha Christie. Such an old civilization and still a lot to be improved in their beautiful country. Greetings from Brazil.
Yes, but they could do so much better!
My feelings exactly! Im reminded of her books, some of which are based here.
DEATH ON NILE,...☠️🚉definitely 😂😂😂
As you said, could do with a major overhaul. Do you know where the coaches were built? I somehow find they got a Spanish touch about them (whereas the train briefly shown while entering Luxor definitely looks Russian).
There's a Mish mash of coaches, I'm not entirely sure where mine was from!
Oh dear this would be a clean freaks worst nightmare, even a quick wipe around would help spruce it up, my son has been to Egypt and said it was ok but don’t think it’s my cup of tea, great post though
Yeah that just about sums it up John 🤣
Your ticket was for bed 12 and 13. Do you remember which one is for lower bunk; even numbered ticket or the odd one?
13 is lower
@@NonstopEurotrip Thank you
You would think that in Egypt, the carpets would be nice
You would wouldn't you 😅
The hospitality on the train including the food is more important than just the journey itself. I still would like to go to Egypt.
I probably won't be going back soon, but I did enjoy my trip 😊
Took that in the early eighties kinda ordinary, a bit surprised they had a bar car where we had a couple drinks, surprised because it's a Muslim country. I recommend it.
No alcohol now unfortunately!
question should be would Pharao Ramses ride this train today?
Great question ⁉️😅
I was expecting to see bugs on the train, LOL
There may well have been 👀
Underpromise and over-deliver is the motto of those who wish to be successful in whatever business they choose to run. This video demonstrates why.
Egypt is no longer on my 'bucket-list'.
Yeah, I won't be rushing back Robin!
How about the new M7 dubbledecker emu of SNCB (Belgian national operator) ?
Which route?
@@NonstopEurotrip The cars are in use on the line Eupen-Ostende, but those are locohauled. I think the full emu sets are mostly used on the express trains to the Belgian coast (either Kustexpress or the line Genk - Ghent- Blankenberge)
What a cool Hotel in Cairo😎👍, can you please give me the name of the Hotel?
THX in advance!
Pyramids Valley Hotel 🏨
Wondering if you could name the hotel you stayed in in Cairo please?
Pyramids Valley Hotel in Giza
I can tell only something about the Transsibirian Railway or the Caledonian Sleeper.
Go on then... Lol
I hope that’s not the condition of all Egyptian trains. What was the hotel like
Ummmmmmmmm..... The hotel was nice!
Cairo train-station main hall looks almost like something Klingon out of later StarTrek....
Yes, it does 😅
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The old Amendorf cars were much more comfy
You surely know who am I, so, I went back in time to last Saturday at 7:30 PM CEST.
You know why I am here for and what not to reply to me
So Cairo to Aswan in 13 hours overnight….cool.
Very cool 😎
Impressive! Wonder if the state of the carriages reflects a focus on daytime services...?
Actually the VIP daytime train I took back was much nicer!