Bud Herseth & Phil Smith's Mouthpiece MASH-UP? Yamaha Bob Sullivan Trumpet Mouthpiece
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
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In this episode, I talk all about the juicy, vibrant, and hefty Yamaha Bob Sullivan Signature Mouthpiece. This thing is an absolute beast to play - and is the intersection between a rim that was originally made for Bud Herseth, and the preferred cup, throat, and backbore of Phil Smith... and have I mentioned what an incredible player Bob Sullivan himself is? He is not only the principal trumpet of the Cincinatti Symphony Orchestra, but also the former assistant principal of the Cleveland Orchestra AND the former associate principal of the New York Phil, as well as teaching at many of those place's associated conservatories and universities. He is also an extremely expressive soloist and recitalist - and actually is the player that probably had the most impact on my personal sound concept. Any serious orchestral player should check this piece out, even just to get a sense for the kind of equipment these legendary trumpet players actually play on.
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Gear featured in this video -
Yamaha Bob Sullivan Signature Series Mouthpiece
Yamaha Chicago II C Trumpet
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What people don't know is that Bud got his job with the CSO in 1947 playing a NY Bach 7B (Mr. Schilke made a copy and it's sold as the Schilke 11 model). Most of the Symphony cats were using smaller MPC's 70-80 years ago, it wasn't until Bud had the car accident and HAD to go to a bigger piece out of necessity.
Consequently, when that happened, and he started playing with that "big as a house sound' that all the other Symphony cats followed suit not realizing Bud went bigger because he HAD to. Bud used 3 pieces a 1, 1C & 1A-depending on the job-all were screw rims that Vincent Bach made for him in 1952/53.
Vacchiano used a modified NY 1 1/4 C that Schilke copied and sells as the 14C2 model. Harry Glanz used a NY 5c. Edward B Lewellyn played a piece around the 10 1/2 C size (Schilke 9).
Vince used a Bach 1C to 1 1/4 C . He covered call registers, articulations and dynamics with ease because he used his "head connected to his ears" ( Arnold Jacobs "Song and Wind"--"If you're nor HEARING something, nothing will come out.; you must hear the best (trumpet) sound possible and PLAY to it; the brain will do the rest").
Beautiful sound man! 1C player here. Might have to check this out!
I always look forward to your nerd videos Jon!!!
Thanks Cliff!! Really glad you like my stuff so much - appreciate you watching and commenting!
Stumbled across your videos. Best trumpet UA-camr by far. Keep grinding man. The content is GOLD!
Now you've got me interested! You have a way of making me want to purchase all these Yamaha signature pieces you review :)
Haha!! After I finished this video, I felt like I didn’t warn people enough that this thing is huge. It took me several days of tooting on it before I felt comfortable enough to record playing examples!!! Thanks for your support, Sam! 🤓🎺🤓🎺
I'm not a trumpet nerd but I love the videos! Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much!!! Glad you’re enjoying them - I really like your stuff too!!!
@@JonTalksTrumpet I don't have any current ideas for collaboration but if you ever need a low brass guy for a video let me know!
Years ago at ITG I ask Herseth what mouthpiece he played and he said "it is a Bach 1B with a 22 throat and a 24 backbore". While Bach made the mouthpiece to Bud's requested specifications there was never a Herseth model. Naturally I had to order one so I could play as good as Bud! Somehow it didn't work that way. But seriously, you can play that thing extremely loud and the sound doesn't break up! It is also easy to play softly. There is no doubt big mouthpieces give you more real estate to balance your sound precisely, assuming ones chops are up to the task. Jon I really enjoy and appreciate your videos. I've learned a lot from them.
I always knew him as "Adolph."
Scott Laskey had copies made of Bud's pieces and sold them as his 80D & 80B models
Good tone!
Hey, thanks so much!
Thanks for the info. this was very interesting. I have had a Sullivan model for years, alternating for a long time with what I have thought was a “Phil Smith “ model was… 1B top, 5B bottom, and 23 throat and S back bore… I think I got this idea from Paul Merkelo. I now play a Bach symphony 1C/24/24… will you ever do anything on rotary pieces?
In the spring of 1963, toward the end of my second full year of lessons with Mr. Herseth, I brought my new Mt. Vernon Bach 1 to my lesson, because that was Mr. Herseth's usual mouthpiece at the time. He took out a #22 drill bit mounted on a T handle and offered to drill out the throat of my Bach 1 to meet his specifications. (He told me that the drill-bit set-up was a gift from Vincent Bach.) I was frightened and turned him down, which I now regret. However, I do still have the Mt Vernon Bach 1 as a keepsake. I later learned that he sometimes resorted to a Bach 1B for heavy-duty weeks, at that time. Toward the end of his career, I believe Herseth returned to the Bach 7, which was the mouthpiece he played when he first joined the CSO. Scott Laskey knew Herseth's entire mouthpiece history in detail. What a shame he is no longer with us. RIP
Bud got the job w the CSO in 1947 on a NY Bach 7B, the Schilke model 11 is a copy of that piece-the Schilke model 18 is similar to one of Bud's pieces, it was one of Mr. Schilke's personal models-like Bud's NY custom Bach, the high point of the rim is closer to the center of the cup, which makes a piece "feel" slightly smaller than it actually is-Mr. Schilke played that piece w a #24 throat & Schmidt backbore with a Delrin rim-Schilke also had a glorious sound when he played, I wish more people knew that
@@chasefreak Thanks for this clarifying information. When I started lessons with Mr. Schilke, in 1956, he initially put me on his Model S. After a few months, he came up with a slightly enlarged version of that mouthpiece, which he called the Model R, which he gave me in exchange for my Model S. Compared to the Model S, the R had less bite to the rim. Mine must have been one of the first of the Model R mouthpieces, which, I understand, became the Number 18. I played that Model R until 1963, when I switched to the Bach 1. But I returned to the Model R a few years later, after moving to the Boston area, where the sound I got from the R fit in better. My Model R, which I still have, was made with a throat that is actually slightly larger than a #26. I should measure it with a #24 drill. I never knew that Mr. Schilke played on a #24 throat. With his R/18 and B1 trumpet, Mr. Schilke could produce a rich, full, centered sound with just enough brilliance. I wonder if there are any Lyric Opera recordings that preserve that sound.
Hey Jon could you maybe put a video out on how to find a new trumpet?
Is it possible for you to do a mouthpiece video about the Greg black BP mouth piece and maybe include some tips for playing trumpet with braces
Hi. If you have braces you need a teacher. jw
Hey Jon! Do you think this mouthpiece would work well on rotary trumpet? I'm not a trumpet player, but I started collecting brass instruments and mouthpieces but I don't have a good mouthpiece that brings out the rich and robust rotary sound that I'm looking for. Love your videos!
Good video. I wish the pace was a little slower. I studied with Ware, nice surprise to see him. Great guy and player. CURRY has a line of mouthpieces called the Chicago series. I use one with my C trpt. jw
Hey John! That’s awesome, he was a legend!!! Yes, I talk about the Curry BC or “Chicago” pieces in my video “4 orchestral trumpet mouthpieces under $100” which you can watch here if you’re interested - ua-cam.com/video/4f0VMi6GtiU/v-deo.html
@@JonTalksTrumpet thanks, I will.
Scott Laskey did not make the 1CH rim for Herseth. He copied Bud's Bach 1C rim one day when Bud was in Schilke's shop, where Scott worked before opening his own business. He started selling that rim design later because the high point of the rim was a bit more toward the inside, making it easier to control than some versions of the 1C rim.
Ah, okay. Thanks for that information, Paul. I was going off of what Bob Sullivan told me (that Laskey made it for him), however of course these things often have very nuanced origins. Hope you’re well!
@@JonTalksTrumpet For whatever it's worth, I concur with your statement Paul. I visited Scott Laskey in Chicago in the eighties and he made me this mouthpiece to these specs but it has a 75 backbore. His explanation on the rim highpoint was spot on as I remember. It would be great to get a scan from Vennture or someone on this mouthpiece and particularly the rim. I find that it is a great mouthpiece but just a tad too big for my all around range and endurance needs. Maybe the same rim characteristics in shape and highpoint but with the diameter of a 1.5C rim, slightly smaller cup and say a 24 throat. Hummm, sounds like a project! Jon, I enjoy the posts and appreciate the work you put into them....Keep it up!
@@cajunthumper In the interview he did with Brass Chats shortly before his passing, Laskey said one thing he wanted to do was create the “Herseth Line” of mouthpieces, exact copies of Bud’s 1/1B1C 22/24 pieces (the originals had screw on rims with underparts), and a 7E that Bud quite liked for piccolo playing. One must remember though that Herseth pieces were all from the Mt Vernon Bach era, and not Elkhart.
woo hoo!
i was very excited for this video!
Awesome!!! I also love release day. 🤓🎺
where the vids at i need more
Coming soon for sure!!
@@JonTalksTrumpet good to hear
Hi Jon! Has someone compared the Sullivan (or other 1CH avatars) to the Schilke Symphony 1 series?
Could you tell me the size of the Philipsmith mouthpiece? I'm Japanese so tell me briefly.😢
Does anyone here know anything about Abbott trumpets all I can find is that it started in Czechoslovakia The company produced multiple instruments but all I have is a trumpet and I’m pretty certain they were bought out by the king company but I’m trying to restore mom right now and I’m trying to figure out more of the history on this brand of trumpets the one I have I know it’s pre-World War II