Let’s talk about sampling
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2023
- As an old fart of a beat maker I just want to share some of my thoughts on how people seem to use samples and sample packs nowadays…
Is sampling the end of creativity or originality in music?
Is it a “lesser” way to make music?
Should everyone always use the most popular samples on Splice in the same way?
Sampling is more than that. Sampling is real.
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To be honest, the only people I've seen bashing sampling are those who (coincidentally) spend more time talking than doing. It's the nature of the beast. I've yet to meet a person who samples and isn't a massive music fan - someone with encyclopedic knowledge about various genres, session musicians, and so on. Sampling is a skill. We all know that individual who believes making music with a computer is as simple as clicking a button. It's usually someone who has never touched an instrument in their life. Some people feel the need to share their opinions about what others are doing without being asked or without considering if anyone actually cares. It's more about themselves than your art.
The lesson here is to do your thing without giving a damn about what anybody else thinks. You answer to yourself and yourself alone. I'd love to see those 'super musicians' make a sampled beat, since apparently, it's so easy and requires no talent...
when your girlfriend came down and liked the music ya made with the apple loops pretty much sums life up for me in general lmao that really made my day ! had similar thing happen to me glad i'm not the only one
Ha! Nah, that’s just what it is. She’s my biggest supporter and I guess this premade thing just caught her off guard :)
same my biggest supporter is the lady and i take her critique the most serious cause i can get honest feedback @@AccurateBeats
Same can be said for synth presets. Sometimes I just want to write music and leave the sound design to people who know what they're doing.
100%!
I never understood people who look down on someone for using a synth preset.
Imagine the year is 1850 and you get called out by someone because you didn't create the piano yourself 😂
@@DuckForPope Thats the dumbest analogy but if it makes you feel clever... keep it up.
@@chriszanf somebody's been emotionally damaged by synth presets. Sorry for not including a trigger warning on my analogy, I hope it didn't ruin your day. 🍻
@@DuckForPope Yep... thats the kind of dumb response to be expected from the shit analogy man.
A more complete visual analogy for sampling is not just collage,but also copying and pasting, reversing the images, changing the colors, cutting up the image in 30 pieces and rearranging them, cutting a small corner and enlarging it, or cutting out geometrical shapes from an abstract image and rearranging into a larger mandala! The possible combinations are endless! I personally like to sample myself as well because I have a knack for creating melodies but it’s just part of the process.
Maybe that´s the point ! Having fun....practice is fun....crate digging is fun....chopping it up is fun....its becomes fun, because we are passionate about something only we can express (our way)... ....and creating something that we are also excited about sharing. Thats the difference between drag and drop 5 min productions and something that takes years. Not that it is better (because art is subjective) or technically superior (because its harder to master)...but because it means something special to us.
We can never force our passion, creativity or excitement on others. Hence why i LOVEEEE the part where your partner came down to ask about the music. Such a sweet moment illustrating what subjectivity really means for art.
You made me think about this and i very truly liked this video. Thank you 🙏
As a bit of a purist myself, it took me a longtime to become comfortable with using the occasional sample from sample packs, or Splice. I’ve basically given myself permission to use these sources now, because I’m just too busy to dig for samples all the time, but I could never just loop something from one of these sources. That would be completely soulless, and unfulfilling. What’s even the point once you start doing that? Being creative, and taking pride in your creations, is what it’s all about.
I feel you, but In hip hop don’t you think it’s true to the culture to loop?
I mean, madlib, dilla, knxwledge, and Nujabes, have all utilized loops extensively. I think they use the Midas touch, sampling is a creative skill, but moreover; it’s also a taste makers skill.
@@tylerhoffmann47Oh, I’ll loop a sample that I found on my own out in the wild. Just not something from a sample pack or Splice. Doesn’t feel the same to just loop something from one of those sources.
@@tylerhoffmann47Those you mentioned are crate diggers, which is a skill in itself that takes years to cultivate. Many of us developed that skill before the internet was there to hold our hand through it
@@F_letc.h I absolutely feel you there. I must’ve misunderstood. You’re exactly right Splice loops are soulless 🤣
@@F_letc.hCan i ask though ? I'm not using any online platform myself but you made me think of it just now. Is there really such a big difference between a sample from a record and a splice sample ?
I get that crate digging is a skill, but one could say that splice has millions of entries too, so you are essentially digging there too.
On top of that, i don't really see any difference in origins... whether you got it from a record or online, it's still a musician who made that sound, is one or the other more worthy to be dug out ?
I know there are some nuances, but i feel like we shouldn't really care that much unless we're just sticking loops untouched and not doing anything creative with them.
Fantastic video bro. You've captured well how it feels to be a sample based produce. The collage analogy is a great way to compare sampling to another art practice.
Awesome video and a powerful message! And thanks for the chuckle when you brought out Året runt!! Det var ett oväntat inslag! Keep it up! :D
Thank you for making this point! For us!
Really appreciate this video and I couldn't agree more with EVERYTHING you said. Great Content and Thank You.🙏🏾
Well done! the collage was a perfect metaphor to explain the subject. and it was a good collage!
Thank you for being you and being a positive vibe in the space.
Great topic, great take, great video!
Thanks for making this video. ...I needed the reminder of why I do what I do and why I am passionate about.
I don’t comment on videos much or ever but I love your take. Very very good video!!!
The analogy of the alphabet and people still creating original writing is..... dare I say it.... accurate!
Great take!
I think what happened at the end was awesome (the whole video was awesome) it solidified further to myself my one and only rule when I got back into producing music. If it sounds good, it’s good. But try to make music fun, use new gear, new sounds, new records, instruments, Daws, collaborate with musicians. That’s what it’s about.
Accurate, I always appreciate you take and wisdom on these topics. I enjoy videos like that. I'm 100% sample based and I could not agree with you more. Blessings my friend.
Great video Accurate. I agree, sampling today is a very creative art form today mainly because of the access to some amazing sampling tools available today. As a sample based "old school" musician myself i think it's important to use samples in a way that helps express your style the best way possible. Good Work sir! ✌🏾
Great job with this one 👏🏼
what a masterpiece of a video!
Dope Video!!
Great video!
When people are down on sampling they don't appreciate that there's art in making the choice, art in choosing the use, etc. After-all photography is also just pressing a button isn't it? /s
Nice video and a interesting topic!
Your studio looks great. And i know the feeling when it always be the easiest beats that everyone likes😅 heartbreaking sometimes
Such a great explanation about sampling. I’ve always looked at it like a collage, so when you broke out the magazines and scissors to create something I thought YES! And it’s not about what you sample but what you make of it. As long as the beat is true to you.
Yes! I agree. I always thought of sampling as audio collage
What a nice and creative video, love it!
Thank you! I really appreciate that!
Art is always about building on existing elements. We didn’t create sound or color but we can have unique ways of interpreting it. Even when you were using the Apple Loops, you selected the ones that sounded good to you and you arranged it in a way that made sense for your ears. It’s still your sound even if the tool and technique was outside of your preferences. As long as you’re not trying to intentionally imitate someone or make money off of someone else’s work without crediting them I say enjoy yourself.
That’s why I love hip hop. It’s such a collage of various things, and the results are vast, and unique. One of the best genres that exist!
This conundrum is as old as sampling itself. There was mixed reaction to Musique Concrete when it happened in post-war Europe. I was in college in the early 80's when hip hop was growing at a fast rate. I had a love/hate relationship with it at that time. On the one hand, it was funky and fresh but on the other, a lot of it sounded anti-musical to me. As a jazz drummer studying composition and arranging, my tools were a drum kit, piano, score paper, and a #2 pencil. At first, I couldn't embrace machines in my own work (although I was way into Kraftwerk). For me it wasn't gratifying. Ultimately I knew I had to keep up with technology in order to survive as a musician and once I got my hands dirty, I began to understand the creativity that went into sampling. Public Enemy blew my mind. They weren't just grabbing two bars and calling it a day. With the emergence of PE, Marley Marl and later, Pete Rock and DJ Premier, etc, it was clear that sampling was here to stay and I was hooked. All the while, I had arguments with my musician friends about whether or not sampling was creative. They couldn't accept the idea and I gave up trying to convince them. I stopped playing tracks for them; their minds were closed. My own love of sampling did not happen overnight and for many years, I put playing an instrument above sampling and the use of drum machines. Nevertheless, I stuck with it. By the late 90's, I was shutting people down by saying, "If it's so intrinsically easy and uncreative, let's hear you do it!"
In 2023, you would think the matter would be settled once and for all but like everything else, ignorance persists. Hip hop is considered to be 50 years old. That's HALF A CENTURY! If you really listen to hip hop across that timeline, the evolution is astounding. Art always spawns both creativity and non-creativity. My biggest gripe with all forms of big label popular music these days is the sameyness, not the methods. That is a function of economics. Western culture is consumerist in nature and the big labels exploit this to maintain control of the marketplace. This is nothing new. But the technology has leveled the playing field which to me is a good thing because despite all the samey stuff, it still allows that creative kid who is one in a thousand to create something beautiful without a label looking over their shoulder. There will always be good and bad music, regardless of the tools. Anyone who still maintains that sampling is lazy and uncreative hasn't been paying attention and there is no convincing them. As an old head, I love chopping up samples and working them into something new. Sampling IS an artform and one that has stood the test of time.
I love messing with samples. it's like cooking with leftovers. instant flavour.
Great Vid Great Conversation that was most definitely needed🫡
I feel the same way. Looping up a sample, throwing some drums over it and calling it a day is extremely boring. But in saying that it has to be a fire sample and im talking about a sample from an old record, not a pre made sample. I cannot describe the feeling i get just knowing i chopped up music and made something brand new and completely unrecognisable to the original source of music.
Great video. I have that Tascam recorder, too! Is that your go-to recorder??
Very very cool video!!
Well said!
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Sampling is an artform no matter what. Building sound collages to create something new from musical pieces like a puzzle. It‘s not about stealing a loop from someone to make profit. It‘s all for the love of the music ya..
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I'm using sample packs to get an idea of a song. After that, one should think about a specific style. That's necessary to be recognized as a brand on the market. So individual sampling rules and signature sounds are important for long-term success.
Well spoken Accurate, thanks for putting this video together and sharing your thoughts with us. Personally, I enjoy the music you put together from sampling, but that’s just my opinion. 😎
Accurate you described everything the way I imagined it, especially cutting out the pictures to recreate a new picture. Also when you from the school, you feel like have to make sample chops from scratch. Now in days, I use loops and blend them together and pitch them because I feel guilty 😂.
When I hear sampling, I think of using an actual sampler and sampling sounds into it with an input. Not just using generic commercial "Minimoog", "Rhodes" or "808" sounds.
Good that you're finding also new subjects.
For me it differs. Sometimes i might use some melody or bass as it is, sometimes I chop it up and make something else about it. And sometimes I only use sample pack samples and sometimes with samples from record. Like you said, no wrong way to do things, just a different way to approach things. End results should matter and ffs ofc your end result should sound differ than demo of sample pack.
Great Video. Is the Beat starting at 3:53 your own and is it on spotify or anything?
Nice video!
This is why I make my own samples and sample from the environment and another great source is buskers and I used to be a sound engineer so would sample musicians during soundcheck sometimes even getting them to do something in particular for me especially if they had an unusual instrument
Love this, as far as I’m concerned I’d love more of these opinion piece vids 👌
Thanks for the feedback! I wasn’t sure about making a video like this on the topic but it came out pretty good.
More? Who knows ?😜
All you should care about is what’s coming out of your speakers…overthinking is the end of creativity.
I use an MPC one for my external gear . The way I see it is sampling for most hinders their creativity. Most want instant gratification when making music and sampling slows that down for most who don’t know what they are doing .
What matters is the final product and how the listener feels...but yes as a producer it is more satisfying when you put a good amount of effort into it and it sounds great. I produce from scratch and also with samples. I say whatever works to capture your vision and moves the listener. Good video
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wow. what happened to your screen on the control S? cool video btw
TFW you're sweating on beats for years but then your wife praises you for a few stock loops you just randomly stacked in a minute.
Crazy right.
Haha! She’s my biggest fan and she loves most of the things I do!
She’s not a musician at all though and my theory here is that she heard something that sounded “good”, polished and finished without having heard the same loop being worked on for hours… That rarely happens, for obvious reasons… The instant gratification is powerful.
But she always appreciates what I do. She’s the best.
Nice One.
I catch a lot of grief from people that tell me "sampling is the "paint by numbers" of music".
I always reply with: they are commercially cleared, and probably professionally recorded.
...they don't like my logic
I wish there was a Windows version of Logic Pro, or as we say here in Texas Whenders. I don't like trying to run it from a separate shell.
We have enough tech to compensate for talent. Should we still value talent above all or is there something else that attracts us to music besides a display of feat.
Awesome reminder! 100% agreeing with you that reusing samples should be disassociated from a lack of creativity. We're social creatures and that means we reuse all sort of things be it samples or ... chords, rhythms, notes, presets, musical instruments, etc. etc.. :)
Great video. Very effective at making your points. Also hilarious with your girlfriend, I always find it hard to predict what other people will like out of all the music I make.
I've been noticing and working on my elitism regarding being a playing musician more than a producer. There's a looooot of really boring music on youtube, usually from people with a lot of gear, and that conceit makes me privilege people who actually play their stuff rather than trigger monotonies. It takes a lot to get to a creative threshold that's interesting when you don't play in your stuff, but when it happens, it can be just as good as a playing musician's music, and I respect it a lot.
i feel that in this sensitive world of today telling someone thats not good or they are not good at what they do ie being honest, is frowned upon and negative unless ur simon cowell etc so what happens is everybody is or has potential to b a star..tv has brainwashed the newer generations thats why when they hear the same repetative beats see the same lifestyles they become clones sheep even..
We can see about 5000 stars with naked eye in the night sky, which is about 1/90000 of the tracks Amen bro breakbeat has been used in commercial productions 🤭 I only use single hits myself and delete the loops from the sample packs because they're completely useless to me. It's so fast for me to make a unique beat with the tracker it's just useless for me to spend the time cutting and pasting a breakbeat.
Yes and no, I do both generate a few beats together from my expensive collection, going from punk drums, via hiphop bases, to electro pianos, and then i grab some VSTs and play over it until I like the beat.
@@artisans8521 Well, there’s no right or wrong though some sampling practices are generally frowned upon. Like using someone elses work as is and claiming it’s yours, never even referring to the original in any shape or form. To me the use of single hits is mostly about control. I hate getting stuck into a key or a melody which I can’t change. But to many genres it’s not a problem, on some genres it’s even part of the overall tone of the sound. But I do snicker a little when some of the producers insist using a pure and plain 808 loop instead of the singlehits. You really want to pay copyrights for that? 🤷♂️😄
Awesome information sampling is good keep doing it...HELL with the HATERS!!!
When the gf says “did you make that” that’s when you know it’s good
Its a lesser way in making music when it comes to trying to sell your art, and you cant because the samples are too expensive to clear or cannot be cleared at all
While humans can be quite similar in some respects, our personality differences are vast enough to almost guarantee that our art will not converge into a state homogeneity.
DND is what I called this type of beatmaking/producing (Drag N Drop).. personally i don't like this version of beatmaking producing as it takes the learning curve owt of knowing what it is your sampling what you're editing, mixing and mastering, EQing, the feeling in general and yeah the workflow...yeah brah sampling is an artform i agree and still agree til this day mai dude this video helps for those that dont know the difference.
Hmm. I think about Stetsasonics song "Talkin all that jazz". Sampling is just a method to make records. If its good or creative, thats up to the producers and listeners. Some people understand and like it. Some don't. If some think its not creative or doesn't sound good, well its their opinion. Just make what you like and/or want to. Sampling is just a method. Some people playing regular instruments make them sound bad aswell. And whats" bad"? Its just a matter of opinons.
6:13 deadmau5 calls this Mr Potato Head music.
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Please frame that and give it to me!!!!😅😅😅
You should dig a bit deeper.
You know there is legendary cd called 100 greatest breaks ?
There is similar thing for rave and electronic music called zero G datafile 1,2,3.
Basically this whole thing is 30 years old if not more. People made 1000ths of garbage tracks with datifiles. They did some absolute legendary too.
u made some v good points but hip hop isnt just a genre its a culture which means there will always be a process for it to be legitimate let those drill n trapers do what they do they just clones with no imagination...i got into hip hop with all the trimming, graffitti, dance ,clothes hairstyles and of course music.sampling and scratchin
.hip hop was born in usa and i spose they have the right to destroy it but then there are people like you that re inspire by spreading ur knowledge and keeping it going thats the key..these millenials will never have the musical experiences we had because they only last for five mins...technology has taken over in so many aspects of our sped up lives and we have to live with that but reminiscing down memery lane will always keep me cookin .
I hear you man. Presets are cool for ideas and the same for sampling but you need to make SOME kind of change to make it your own.
Sampling is an art form flat out whether people like it or not. The fact remains the same. Everyone in the music industry is sampling so it needs to get used to it.
I rather make shitty sounds then go the sample buy route. And that will probably never ever change. My first wife hated the ableton metronome. She said: no not that song again! 😅
I underwrite all of the above.
It ruined music, as someone who grew up witnessing the rise of hip hop we were not aware of the fact you could do, what you could not do in film or painting, which is take other people's art making it yours, and claim a bigger victory. We saw the fall of complexity, rise of repetitive sampling and no mastery of an instrument! If feel bad saying this, but it was my Gen fucking it up!
Using samples doesn’t kill creativity, but making collages is not on the same level of creativity as painting. Rather than a black and white thing, all that work is on a spectrum of less/more creative input. At the extremes you have on the one hand DJs, who to me aren’t really musicians, and on the other hand people who compose and play their instruments.
People liking your music don’t make it good, some music is made for people to specifically dislike (oddly tho, I like that 😂)
The interruption from your partner really boiled the topic down to an essence - if it sounds good, it is good. (not that I thought it sounded that good at all, mind you)
However, it wouldn't be very artistically validating or stimulating to make music like you just did, even if it did receive validation from others, as a career/hobby/passion. Almost all of the joy to be found from sampling is from the re-fashioning of established sounds and musical ideas and creating new ones.
IT's funny how the lack of artistic validation or stimulation doesn't seem to stop the lion's share of working musicians out in the world from performing exclusively covers in cover bands, or playing whatever popular songs a particular audience wants to hear, in order to get paid and make a living playing music.... As a working musician myself, i am amazed how much i have had to back off on my own original material as an artist, in order to actually work and get paid as a musician.... The way of the world 😒🤷♂️🌌
Lol I’m fan of what happened with your girlfriend, something similar happens a lot to me, when I think I’m making rubbish
this is a question where you got to be of a certain age demographic to remember when it was relevant. as we have all come to realize sense, OF COURSE sampling is the end of creativity ... oh man things have been dry the past 35 years since all this sampling stuff started... and dont get me started on drum machines!!!! thank god all the drum machines will glitch and explode come the new millenium. i wish everyone would stop with all this soundy-sound stuff they are ruining the point which is just sound-sounds...
Sago Accurate thanks 👍👍👍
That's in logic man and I was thinking about buying it i think ill buy logic today.
Im old school to my brother 😂