Just a note from a firefighter, and please understand I am not trained in these types of TTPs, I just teach a lot of forcible entry. This applies to residential structures. One training nugget to think about is that first door example. You will rarely ever see a door set up like that. That was an inward swinging door that swings away from the corner wall. Doors are almost always going to swing to the wall not towards the middle of a room (because you don’t want the door in the way of the living space). That first door would be indicative of a foyer or a hallway feeding side rooms. I know for training you guys had to use what you had. So, as we approach a door to setup the entry we would use terminology like “near side” or “far side” to tell the crew which side of the door is more advantageous to set up on. For example you would want to be on the hinge side of an inward swinging door because that will immediately give you the angles to see inside the room. If you set up on the knob side of an inward swinging door as soon as the door opens it is just in your way, or you are likely staring at a wall and not the actual livable space of the room where someone could be. Also, while not guaranteed, if you make entry into a building and make your way through the structure, a residential setup will almost always have inward swinging doors to livable spaces and outward swinging doors to things like closets, water heater storage, linen storage, etc. Looking down a hallway you might see three inwards and an outward, that would likely be two bedrooms, a bathroom, and one linen closet. Lastly, as you approach the structure the pitch of the roof will almost always tell you the direction of the main hallway of the bedroom area. Looking at the pitch on your way up to the structure and taking into account the window types will give you a really good idea of the layout of a house.
TLDR: firefighters are the subject matter experts on mechanical breaching. I was a division combat engineer in the Marines, our preferred breaching techniques were either explosive or shotgun. That being said, I’ve learned way more mechanical Breaching techniques and form from my firefighter buddies than I ever did in the Marines.
@@alexmason1387 that’s good to hear. We take a lot of pride in conventional entry techniques. There’s a reason the FDNY Forcible Entry Manual is 177 pages long. We always joke with our LEO friends when they say “hooligan”… we tell them “hey you can’t take our tools name and change it! Haha”. Chief Hugh Halligan invented it and it’s not a hooligan. That being said it is niche, hand tools are our bread and butter. We do a little torch work, hydraulics, etc but no explosives or bearcat work…
You are a very smart person and I love how you go that extra mile to explain things such as how " people don't want the door in their living room space" wich is totally true! Never ever think you're wasting your breath because you're NOT! JUST FIR FUTURE REFERENCE IN EVERYDAY LIFE CUZ I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE YOU AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF SO WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOU AND NEVER THINK YOU'RE GOING OFF THE TRACKS SO TO SPEAK CUZ EVERYTHING YOU SAY PERTAINS TO " YOUR FINAL POINT"... IF YOU HACE KIDS THEY WILL BE SMART OVER NIGHT! :) I'M 45 YEARS OLD N KNOW A TEACHER WHEN I HEAR ONE...
I really like the core purpose of this channel. Of all the tactics/strategy based channels, I like the overall approach you guys take probably the best. No frills, weapons are tools, survival is the only true purpose. This lifestyle, career, hobby (depending on who you are) has really begun to feel like a fad these last 5-10 years. Amongst the public and the industry. Its refreshing to learn and not feel like I'm watching a commercial.
This content is worth its weight in gold to the individual that is able to consume it correctly. CQB is NEVER a fixed by-the-numbers procedure, it's a trained team that knows how to read each other which takes training and a LOT of time. Myself personally was in the Army in the late 80's into the early 90's deployed in the middle east as Comm support.. Lot's of building clearing and taking incoming shots from freaking Narnia. I love these videos, I always learn something. Thank you guys for your service.. BTW my son in laws dad is a retired Navy SEAL, Teams 2, 10 and DevGru. So proud to actually be related to a Navy SEAL. My Son in law's ship just got deployed to the Red Sea in support of Israel.
This is great. I'm shouting u all out all the way from trinidad and tobago..I've only done some basics in this and these small details were informative..thanks
The point about not having to do it perfect or textbook is very good, you see it all the time, experienced people may appear to "cheat" just because they don't do it the way most are taught but they're performing well at the highest levels so it obviously works. "Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own" - Bruce Lee
Thanks for the information gentleman. It's been many a year since I have been in the field. Good to see current techniques. P.S.: Those windows at head height can make for a nervous moment.
Damn, I couldn’t tell you the last time I’ve seen so many people shooting the ancient hunched over style of shooting and shooting on the move during the intro with everyone on line moving towards the targets..
Thank you. Entries is one of the situations that I have the least amount of training with. Especially with long guns. All I know is not to do any of these entries, unless absolutely necessary. Wait for LE.
Doesnt the # 1 guy at 1:33 in the very first entry who runs in straight on the corner fed get smoked for ignoring his left side deepncorner ? He never glanced left and only followed the wall on his right. He went straight thru the door the first time. Always wondered how this works if a bad guy is to the left during thr lag between 1man entering and 2 man entering. Thanks guys good video!
Shouldn't first man go heavy side...since this is area with the most space unseen on entrance? Like @Jack Anthony said, 1st man in never looked left. He would of been smoked if room full of bad guys. I am civilian and not an operator and I am commenting on what I am thinking. Please educate me.
This is exactly what I thought, first guy in is dead as he ignores his left, second guy gets smoked because the enemy is already focused on the doorway
Many ways to “skin this cat”. I always took the difficult entry because I wanted my #2 to have my 6 nanoseconds after I crossed the threshold. Had the privilege of training with DEVGRU guys and this is not what they teach. This is more like 90’s/ early 2000’s US Army tactics. Makes me wonder when these guys were last on a team. Tactics change, lessons are learned, and improvements are made to increase survivability.
@Kopfjaeger39 Exactly. There's a huge reason why this style is no longer taught. Barging in is careless and doesn't really add too much element of surprise. Not corner-checking your 150 degree is about as dangerous as running straight into the 90. I keep mentioning pie-cutting and taking full advantage of your concealment prior to slow and steady entry, along with the need to use high ready compression to maximize your concealment while committing to an orientation check as you steadily expose yourself beyond the apex and entry. Doesn't mean don't aggressively attack your 90 or corners once you're preparing to enter- that's a must. But rushing inside without any true considerations is not strategic or safe imo.
Dorr pointed out that you want to keep the element of surprise as long as you can. I have a security gate in front of the front and rear door. So you have two doors to go through to get in. Would you use a different breaching method for that like shooting hinges or explosives (most civilians wouldn't have that but :) ), or would you try a different penetration point like the second floor? I'm an old guy and back in the day was to try to enter the through the second floor. I know that fell out of favor for a lot of reasons. Just trying to pick your brains. Great Video?
that first door is my least favorite situation when its in a room. something I was wondering about though was why didn't the 2 man cross the door to cover his buddy who's gun was down. if someone was alert and in the center of the room, when that door pops, one is going down. on doors like that where the only way to open it exposes you to the center of the room, I always want a rifle beside me to cover me just incase, then 2 can either do a quick pie to clear the entry and enter with 2 going deep, or any variation. main thing is that I'd want a rifle covering me, you could use a pistol as 1 but thats pretty hollywood
Complete interesting! TY..but the last Option doesnt get my applause...i would always prefer the slower/safer method.... its MY life that i have to protect in the first place.
Seems like the #1 man was also often exposed to the deepest corners of the room. Course, if they're not shooting you at the door after you walk past their windows there's probably no threat there.
This is terrible tactics unless you’re doing hostage rescue. This got people killed in real life. Open the door, not from exposing yourself to the inside while someone else posts security behind them. Once door is open, take your time and work the threshold from the outside. No need to rush in blind and find yourself gunned by a belt fed or trip a trap.
Exactly, this is only good for HR. Not doing center checks WILL get people killed, and it has. Don't take my word for it, most guys who have served after 05 will tell you that, whether they're from SF, CAG or DEVGRU, and you can easily find those online. I think most SOF especially tier1 started switching tactics ( clearing most of the room from the oustide ) around 2005, but only after losing operatives.
If you are worried about getting dumped by a belt fed machine gun or a booby trap then you shouldn't be using the door in the first place but going through a wall.
@@TouqasBonquishes he gave real reasoning here. them being seals doesnt mean theyre great either. theres a lot of dudes that play flight sims or tank games that have more knowledge and skill than guys in the military. sim training works.
If anyone inside knew that they were coming they would have been mowed down immediately. They didn't even check the center from the outside which doesn't add much time but way more security when having to go dynamic.
In the second scenario with the outward swinging door, why not let the door swing? Wouldn't it be safer and faster having the 2 man directly behind you instead of worrying about catching the door then entering? But something tells me there actually is a significant reason the 2 man catches the door, and I know these pros arent doing it for nothing, however can someone please elaborate?
If you sling open the door and it bounces back, it might shut out the 3/4 men or even slow them down as they have to then wrestle with the door themselves. There’s also the noise issue of the door banging against the structure.
People shopt through doors especially if there are cameras they will know you are in front of it. Theres different ways to open a door than this and I wouldnt be in front of that door at anytime while opening it
What’s with this catching the door nonsense? If it’s for the sound, then it kinda defeats the purpose, since you have two guys going in fast, and are obviously gonna be heard. I’ve done the door thing during slow deliberate entries, but that’s more of just opening the door slowly, and not throwing it open and hoping another guy will catch.
Just a note from a firefighter, and please understand I am not trained in these types of TTPs, I just teach a lot of forcible entry. This applies to residential structures. One training nugget to think about is that first door example. You will rarely ever see a door set up like that. That was an inward swinging door that swings away from the corner wall. Doors are almost always going to swing to the wall not towards the middle of a room (because you don’t want the door in the way of the living space). That first door would be indicative of a foyer or a hallway feeding side rooms. I know for training you guys had to use what you had. So, as we approach a door to setup the entry we would use terminology like “near side” or “far side” to tell the crew which side of the door is more advantageous to set up on. For example you would want to be on the hinge side of an inward swinging door because that will immediately give you the angles to see inside the room. If you set up on the knob side of an inward swinging door as soon as the door opens it is just in your way, or you are likely staring at a wall and not the actual livable space of the room where someone could be. Also, while not guaranteed, if you make entry into a building and make your way through the structure, a residential setup will almost always have inward swinging doors to livable spaces and outward swinging doors to things like closets, water heater storage, linen storage, etc. Looking down a hallway you might see three inwards and an outward, that would likely be two bedrooms, a bathroom, and one linen closet. Lastly, as you approach the structure the pitch of the roof will almost always tell you the direction of the main hallway of the bedroom area. Looking at the pitch on your way up to the structure and taking into account the window types will give you a really good idea of the layout of a house.
TLDR: firefighters are the subject matter experts on mechanical breaching.
I was a division combat engineer in the Marines, our preferred breaching techniques were either explosive or shotgun. That being said, I’ve learned way more mechanical Breaching techniques and form from my firefighter buddies than I ever did in the Marines.
Great points
@@alexmason1387 that’s good to hear. We take a lot of pride in conventional entry techniques. There’s a reason the FDNY Forcible Entry Manual is 177 pages long. We always joke with our LEO friends when they say “hooligan”… we tell them “hey you can’t take our tools name and change it! Haha”. Chief Hugh Halligan invented it and it’s not a hooligan. That being said it is niche, hand tools are our bread and butter. We do a little torch work, hydraulics, etc but no explosives or bearcat work…
@@Boxalarmtraining I knew it as a hooligan for years, until my firefighter buddy corrected me. You guys are shit hot at what you do. Respect
You are a very smart person and I love how you go that extra mile to explain things such as how " people don't want the door in their living room space" wich is totally true! Never ever think you're wasting your breath because you're NOT! JUST FIR FUTURE REFERENCE IN EVERYDAY LIFE CUZ I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE YOU AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF SO WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOU AND NEVER THINK YOU'RE GOING OFF THE TRACKS SO TO SPEAK CUZ EVERYTHING YOU SAY PERTAINS TO " YOUR FINAL POINT"... IF YOU HACE KIDS THEY WILL BE SMART OVER NIGHT! :) I'M 45 YEARS OLD N KNOW A TEACHER WHEN I HEAR ONE...
I really like the core purpose of this channel. Of all the tactics/strategy based channels, I like the overall approach you guys take probably the best. No frills, weapons are tools, survival is the only true purpose. This lifestyle, career, hobby (depending on who you are) has really begun to feel like a fad these last 5-10 years. Amongst the public and the industry. Its refreshing to learn and not feel like I'm watching a commercial.
Very well said. Agree with your points.
Amen!! Theses guys are tops on instruction
This content is worth its weight in gold to the individual that is able to consume it correctly. CQB is NEVER a fixed by-the-numbers procedure, it's a trained team that knows how to read each other which takes training and a LOT of time. Myself personally was in the Army in the late 80's into the early 90's deployed in the middle east as Comm support.. Lot's of building clearing and taking incoming shots from freaking Narnia. I love these videos, I always learn something. Thank you guys for your service.. BTW my son in laws dad is a retired Navy SEAL, Teams 2, 10 and DevGru. So proud to actually be related to a Navy SEAL. My Son in law's ship just got deployed to the Red Sea in support of Israel.
Really cool seeing these guys together demonstrating different scenarios on entering a house.
This channel comes with the most informative gun tube content. Keep em coming boys
Thanks guys, simple and direct with no theatrics.
Cool to see coch doing what he does best!
Take a sip every time you hear the word "door" and or "Dorr." Awesome content guys!
This is great. I'm shouting u all out all the way from trinidad and tobago..I've only done some basics in this and these small details were informative..thanks
The point about not having to do it perfect or textbook is very good, you see it all the time, experienced people may appear to "cheat" just because they don't do it the way most are taught but they're performing well at the highest levels so it obviously works. "Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own" - Bruce Lee
Thanks for the information gentleman.
It's been many a year since I have been in the field. Good to see current techniques.
P.S.: Those windows at head height can make for a nervous moment.
Thank you gentlemen
Damn, I couldn’t tell you the last time I’ve seen so many people shooting the ancient hunched over style of shooting and shooting on the move during the intro with everyone on line moving towards the targets..
The near endless Dorr and Door jokes were funny. Thanks for another great CQB video!
Two major CQB philosophies. This one and the more sound one.
Thanks for sharing frogmen, great info.
Excelente video!! Jamás se deja de aprender....
Fuerte abrazo guerreros!! Gracias por lo transmitido.
Thank you. Entries is one of the situations that I have the least amount of training with. Especially with long guns. All I know is not to do any of these entries, unless absolutely necessary. Wait for LE.
Bangers through the window, Arty through the roof, or you can always nuke it from orbit. These are the only way to be sure.
Excellent content gentleman! Please do more!
Thank You For Your Time!❤
This seems particularly focused on dynamic entry, will you do a follow up demonstrating limited penetration?
Tosh with the bullpup! Nice change of pace
Makes sense based on the weight distribution.
@@onpsxmember I realize that now. Always forgetting about his hand. That’d be a cool vid of a comparison of the two from two separate forces.
I like that cochs guns are always cobbled together, and they just work. Nothing fancy about them, Olights and Bushnell
I love these videos. This channel is quickly becoming a favorite
I like that certified badasses can still have a sense of humor. Thank you for the Door tutorial Mr. Dorr.
The Frogmen strike again. Great work guys, keep them coming. Thanks!
Great info and demos of Door vs Dorr
Doesnt the # 1 guy at 1:33 in the very first entry who runs in straight on the corner fed get smoked for ignoring his left side deepncorner ? He never glanced left and only followed the wall on his right. He went straight thru the door the first time. Always wondered how this works if a bad guy is to the left during thr lag between 1man entering and 2 man entering. Thanks guys good video!
Shouldn't first man go heavy side...since this is area with the most space unseen on entrance? Like @Jack Anthony said, 1st man in never looked left. He would of been smoked if room full of bad guys. I am civilian and not an operator and I am commenting on what I am thinking. Please educate me.
This is exactly what I thought, first guy in is dead as he ignores his left, second guy gets smoked because the enemy is already focused on the doorway
Many ways to “skin this cat”. I always took the difficult entry because I wanted my #2 to have my 6 nanoseconds after I crossed the threshold. Had the privilege of training with DEVGRU guys and this is not what they teach. This is more like 90’s/ early 2000’s US Army tactics. Makes me wonder when these guys were last on a team. Tactics change, lessons are learned, and improvements are made to increase survivability.
@Kopfjaeger39 Exactly. There's a huge reason why this style is no longer taught. Barging in is careless and doesn't really add too much element of surprise. Not corner-checking your 150 degree is about as dangerous as running straight into the 90. I keep mentioning pie-cutting and taking full advantage of your concealment prior to slow and steady entry, along with the need to use high ready compression to maximize your concealment while committing to an orientation check as you steadily expose yourself beyond the apex and entry. Doesn't mean don't aggressively attack your 90 or corners once you're preparing to enter- that's a must. But rushing inside without any true considerations is not strategic or safe imo.
I'm enjoying this series
Door and Dorr, Coch and Tosh 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Perfect 👌
Good sense of humor Dor getting ahead of the comments
Great video Dorr, can't wait for pt 2-3 with explosives and shotguns.
please do a video discussing short stocking and how to work around equipment while entering thresholds/working interiors
Dorr pointed out that you want to keep the element of surprise as long as you can. I have a security gate in front of the front and rear door. So you have two doors to go through to get in. Would you use a different breaching method for that like shooting hinges or explosives (most civilians wouldn't have that but :) ), or would you try a different penetration point like the second floor? I'm an old guy and back in the day was to try to enter the through the second floor. I know that fell out of favor for a lot of reasons. Just trying to pick your brains. Great Video?
Awesome to watch Coch, just the fine detail stuff where you can tell he has gone thru a few thousand doors.
What if there is an object stopping the door from swining open all the way?
great question.
that first door is my least favorite situation when its in a room. something I was wondering about though was why didn't the 2 man cross the door to cover his buddy who's gun was down. if someone was alert and in the center of the room, when that door pops, one is going down. on doors like that where the only way to open it exposes you to the center of the room, I always want a rifle beside me to cover me just incase, then 2 can either do a quick pie to clear the entry and enter with 2 going deep, or any variation. main thing is that I'd want a rifle covering me, you could use a pistol as 1 but thats pretty hollywood
Love it. You fellas are studs
Wow... It took me more than 4 mins to realise that Tosh is doing it this fluently with only 1 fully functioning hand...
Anything with Tosh is worth watching
Man thats a rad training facility.. do you offer those courses to civilians? I would be interested
Hot Dorr on door action!
Thansk Gents for the excellent training and tips.
love it bro!
Excellent info. Cheers.
Keep us informed
Id love to try this sometime, but would probably end up looking like a doork
You know you are in trouble when the guy shows up in tactical carpenter jeans and Nike Air Dads. He is ready to go to work.
Yes! I asked for door variation stuff. Thanks!
Is Tosh familiar with Jean Rasczak? It's almost Christmas.
No, never heard of him.
I take that back....
Great training
If you can count how many times Dorr said door in the video, he will give you a hug and a smooch.
Holy cow! How did bullpup guy fit through the door?
Complete interesting! TY..but the last Option doesnt get my applause...i would always prefer the slower/safer method.... its MY life that i have to protect in the first place.
Thank you for training us fools in the audience.. I truly appreciate you 🙏
The disappointment in his voice… “and there they go” 😂
Hodor or hold door Dorr? 😂 Put me in coach I mean Coch… Love the content gentleman 👍
Great info, would like to a see a
Video home owner has to go outside
Is this a 'permanent' shooting house? Looks like platforms above for observers? Why would you be at the high ready in shooting house?
Executive action, is not lighthearted❤
Good training 👍
Good stuff
How about, concussion grenade, intense blinding flood lights, then scan the room from behind a ballistic shield?
Give this guy a hand
As the old question goes... How much door would Dorr breach, if Dorr breached doors. Or something like that.
It seems coch was pretty exposed on that first run with the door open waiting for tosh to go in
Seems like the #1 man was also often exposed to the deepest corners of the room.
Course, if they're not shooting you at the door after you walk past their windows there's probably no threat there.
Not really
Thank you 👍
Man’s got a fucking hook for a hand?! Bad ass shit
Why didn’t Dorr just knock on the door claiming to be a UPS guy? After all it’s Christmas time and we all get packages delivered. 😂
Dorr can't knock on the door because he is the door!
This is terrible tactics unless you’re doing hostage rescue. This got people killed in real life. Open the door, not from exposing yourself to the inside while someone else posts security behind them. Once door is open, take your time and work the threshold from the outside. No need to rush in blind and find yourself gunned by a belt fed or trip a trap.
Exactly, this is only good for HR. Not doing center checks WILL get people killed, and it has. Don't take my word for it, most guys who have served after 05 will tell you that, whether they're from SF, CAG or DEVGRU, and you can easily find those online. I think most SOF especially tier1 started switching tactics ( clearing most of the room from the oustide ) around 2005, but only after losing operatives.
Yeah no, your forgetting 99% of suburban houses are made of them material, the second that door opens if they open up on you then your fucked
L
If you are worried about getting dumped by a belt fed machine gun or a booby trap then you shouldn't be using the door in the first place but going through a wall.
They’re SEALS I’m sure they’ve done it way more than you little guy
@@TouqasBonquishes he gave real reasoning here. them being seals doesnt mean theyre great either.
theres a lot of dudes that play flight sims or tank games that have more knowledge and skill than guys in the military. sim training works.
If anyone inside knew that they were coming they would have been mowed down immediately. They didn't even check the center from the outside which doesn't add much time but way more security when having to go dynamic.
Cool video. Question, what if it's a screened in porch before the main door or a dog on the inside possibility barking?
That’s when you blow the door and throw some flash bangs in😆
excellent video, what do you think of the modern israeli limited penetration method, proposed by trevor trasher of 88 tactical.?
I'm just going to direct people over to the "project gecko" channel if there's a real interest in CQB related topics
Yes. ProjectGecko hands down has the best training on CQB.
Tosh and Coch dealing with Dorr 😆
dont forget rooftops when entering got to get out the danger zone
Oh my sides, the door humor is too much 😆
1:03 "pRetTy c0mM0n aRoUnd tHe w0rLd f0r aN eXtErNaL d0oR"
Japan: fuck around and find out
😂
Dorr on Door haha. Sounds like a home reno show 😆
In the second scenario with the outward swinging door, why not let the door swing? Wouldn't it be safer and faster having the 2 man directly behind you instead of worrying about catching the door then entering? But something tells me there actually is a significant reason the 2 man catches the door, and I know these pros arent doing it for nothing, however can someone please elaborate?
If you sling open the door and it bounces back, it might shut out the 3/4 men or even slow them down as they have to then wrestle with the door themselves.
There’s also the noise issue of the door banging against the structure.
It bounces back and you pin anyone behind it
What gun is Tosh using?
Tavor(?) Maybe
@@IG10705 Desert Tech MDRX
On the second door example, Coach entered without clearing his left. Yeah Dorr cleared that way but that was after. Coach could be KIA by this point.
I don’t deal with doors. They deal with me.
That was a lot of girth making entry into that room.
Just noticed the hook.
Just curious, why wear sunglasses while breaching a door way into a dark room?
3.9 or 4.9?
Nice
Not one mention of crossing in front of the windows
A video on how to communicate without talking would be awesome.
Ok, please correct me. What about popi traps and what about checking most of the room of the outside before stepping in?
Thanks
why does number 1 guy break connection from his rifle?
Hold my Beer! 🍺🍺
Your first door is backwards. It should swing towards the wall.
Easier than the big bad 🐺
Crazy how suddenly everyone is a nevy seal 🦭 😂
People shopt through doors especially if there are cameras they will know you are in front of it. Theres different ways to open a door than this and I wouldnt be in front of that door at anytime while opening it
Appreciate the straight 💩 always!!
Triple
take a shot every time he says the word "door"
What’s with this catching the door nonsense? If it’s for the sound, then it kinda defeats the purpose, since you have two guys going in fast, and are obviously gonna be heard. I’ve done the door thing during slow deliberate entries, but that’s more of just opening the door slowly, and not throwing it open and hoping another guy will catch.