Nice review! There are some good hybrids that exist with this fruit that are definitely worth checking out. I recommend looking into Mackenzie’s farm in Scranton SC and Madison Citrus nursery. If this is zone 6 maybe check out citrandarins like US-942.
Very informative video, I'm happy to see your appreciation for this very wild citrus. I'm trying my best to select superior trifoliate orange varieties that have more juice, better taste, and less sticky resin. I have one that was originally discovered in Europe that completely lacks any resin, its called Poncirus+.
That is really awesome to hear! Thank you for sharing this! Know that I really appreciate the work and energy you are putting into this, and I wish it continues to pay off with some exciting discoveries! That's really cool, I will have to look into Poncirus+. Locally produced citrus in Northern climates that is accessible and palatable to the masses could really be pretty cool. Thanks!
I have seen them in SE Pennsylvania, but there are counties where it's banned. I think New Jersey banned and some areas down south. Here in Arizona, it's great for grafting on because it resists brackish water, heat, and drought.
Yes, it can be deemed invasive in certain areas as you pointed out, it is thus optimal to use one's best judgement in this context, understanding the plant's potential aggression in certain climates. Grafting is a very intriguing option; however it is possible that some cultivars may sucker from the roots, and thus those suckers will not by true to the graft. That said, for me, its been 7 years and my hardy orange has yet to send out any suckers. Its also possible that breeding work could be done to produce less aggressive and or better tasting cultivars. Thanks!
It’s crazy how no major effort is being put into breeding more adaptable citrus. I can’t think of a group of fruit more culturally important that also has unlimited potential breeding potential.
Actually there are hobbyists working on it but Poncirus hybrids tend to lose hardiness the less bitter sticky pine flavor they have. There are a few halfway decent ones that can grow as far north as Atlanta. There’s also a weird Russian-made chimera that combines Poncirus and Satsuma where the fruit is allegedly just like Satsuma but very cold hardy.
Very good stuff to know, thank you for the info!! I will have to look more into this for sure. It's nice to hear some people have started efforts of breeding more 'desirable' varieties, but there's probably a lot more untapped potential there waiting to be discovered or more widely accessible. Again, thanks for sharing! I am learning a lot from these comments!
@@RobG7aChattTN I love what the hobbyists are doing but, they can only do so much especially with the citrus regulations. I think it really depends on the other parent, you can get some impressive cold tolerance with greatly improved fruits, but citrus breeding is slow and I haven’t seen to many complex hybrids so I think they haven’t reached close to their potential yet.
I know quite a few people working on breeding cold hardy citrus. There are some good mandarines, and hybrids, cold hardy to teens Farenheit. Stan McKenzie from SC is one of them.
Check out the Prague citsuma. It's a graft chimera of a trifoliate orange and mandarin. Hard to find though, you might have to learn to graft or chip bud and get scions from someone on the growingfruit forums The fruit quality of a mandarin but the cold hardiness of a trifoliate Otherwise direct hybrids always have that pine resin taste so far
No way, that's crazy!!! Thank you so much for sharing this! I will have to look into this further, but this is pretty awesome. It opens up a whole new doorway I completely overlooked! Interesting stuff! Thank you!
Strange my flying dragon produced the first oranges this year as well. The other one or the straight species has yet to produce but it picked up a scale of some kind this summer. The oranges I tasted was like a lemon with a weird twist.
Yes, scales are definitely a potential pest to keep an eye out for. They are present in my area on a few species, but especially mulberry. I have not yet found any scale species on my trifoliate orange, but will keep a look out for them for sure. Scales, in general I have found so far to be pretty tricky to control ecologically, but I did recently do a video on them, it is visible here:ua-cam.com/video/SEaxPnPGwBA/v-deo.html Thanks, and be well!
@@terra-blegardeningvideos omg scales are bout impossible to get rid of. I have an Elizabeth magnolia bout 30 foot tall that is eat up. I've literally systemically insectacided to the point there shouldn't be an insect for a mile or 2 but the scale is still thriving. I hope my orange trees scale isn't that difficult to kill
Too much pine-like sticky sap in the fruit! I’ve got a Poncirus triloiata ‘English Large’ X Changsha Mandarin that’s slightly better but still coated my teeth with a sticky bitter film.
Good to know, thank you! It would be interesting to determine any differences in taste from all the currently existing P. trifoliata cultivars to determine which one might be most desirable (...or at least, the least undesirable), then taking that variety and breeding it out to create a superior tasting variety that is palatable to a wider population. I also think calling this tree a 'hardy orange' is an unfortunate misnomer leaving people with the wrong idea lol. Probably should be more like 'hardy grapefruit' or 'hardy lemon'. Thanks!
@@terra-blegardeningvideos a lot of the hybrids were designed as root stock for regular citrus. There are some that taste better than others that might be decently cold hardy but most of those I’ve killed so not quite hardy for me.
Thanks for the info!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Nice review! There are some good hybrids that exist with this fruit that are definitely worth checking out. I recommend looking into Mackenzie’s farm in Scranton SC and Madison Citrus nursery. If this is zone 6 maybe check out citrandarins like US-942.
Thank you for the information! I will look into it, thanks!
Interesting description. Nice work.
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Very informative video, I'm happy to see your appreciation for this very wild citrus. I'm trying my best to select superior trifoliate orange varieties that have more juice, better taste, and less sticky resin.
I have one that was originally discovered in Europe that completely lacks any resin, its called Poncirus+.
That is really awesome to hear! Thank you for sharing this! Know that I really appreciate the work and energy you are putting into this, and I wish it continues to pay off with some exciting discoveries! That's really cool, I will have to look into Poncirus+. Locally produced citrus in Northern climates that is accessible and palatable to the masses could really be pretty cool. Thanks!
@terra-blegardeningvideos I agree, and I appreciate the well wishes! You have my subscription 🙂
Thank you, I appreciate it! Be well!
I have seen them in SE Pennsylvania, but there are counties where it's banned. I think New Jersey banned and some areas down south. Here in Arizona, it's great for grafting on because it resists brackish water, heat, and drought.
Yes, it can be deemed invasive in certain areas as you pointed out, it is thus optimal to use one's best judgement in this context, understanding the plant's potential aggression in certain climates. Grafting is a very intriguing option; however it is possible that some cultivars may sucker from the roots, and thus those suckers will not by true to the graft. That said, for me, its been 7 years and my hardy orange has yet to send out any suckers. Its also possible that breeding work could be done to produce less aggressive and or better tasting cultivars. Thanks!
It’s crazy how no major effort is being put into breeding more adaptable citrus.
I can’t think of a group of fruit more culturally important that also has unlimited potential breeding potential.
Yes, I share that sentiment as well. There seems to be a lot of room to venture forth on this effort. Thanks!
Actually there are hobbyists working on it but Poncirus hybrids tend to lose hardiness the less bitter sticky pine flavor they have. There are a few halfway decent ones that can grow as far north as Atlanta. There’s also a weird Russian-made chimera that combines Poncirus and Satsuma where the fruit is allegedly just like Satsuma but very cold hardy.
Very good stuff to know, thank you for the info!! I will have to look more into this for sure. It's nice to hear some people have started efforts of breeding more 'desirable' varieties, but there's probably a lot more untapped potential there waiting to be discovered or more widely accessible. Again, thanks for sharing! I am learning a lot from these comments!
@@RobG7aChattTN I love what the hobbyists are doing but, they can only do so much especially with the citrus regulations.
I think it really depends on the other parent, you can get some impressive cold tolerance with greatly improved fruits, but citrus breeding is slow and I haven’t seen to many complex hybrids so I think they haven’t reached close to their potential yet.
I know quite a few people working on breeding cold hardy citrus. There are some good mandarines, and hybrids, cold hardy to teens Farenheit.
Stan McKenzie from SC is one of them.
Check out the Prague citsuma. It's a graft chimera of a trifoliate orange and mandarin. Hard to find though, you might have to learn to graft or chip bud and get scions from someone on the growingfruit forums
The fruit quality of a mandarin but the cold hardiness of a trifoliate
Otherwise direct hybrids always have that pine resin taste so far
No way, that's crazy!!! Thank you so much for sharing this! I will have to look into this further, but this is pretty awesome. It opens up a whole new doorway I completely overlooked! Interesting stuff! Thank you!
Strange my flying dragon produced the first oranges this year as well. The other one or the straight species has yet to produce but it picked up a scale of some kind this summer. The oranges I tasted was like a lemon with a weird twist.
Yes, scales are definitely a potential pest to keep an eye out for. They are present in my area on a few species, but especially mulberry. I have not yet found any scale species on my trifoliate orange, but will keep a look out for them for sure. Scales, in general I have found so far to be pretty tricky to control ecologically, but I did recently do a video on them, it is visible here:ua-cam.com/video/SEaxPnPGwBA/v-deo.html
Thanks, and be well!
@@terra-blegardeningvideos omg scales are bout impossible to get rid of. I have an Elizabeth magnolia bout 30 foot tall that is eat up. I've literally systemically insectacided to the point there shouldn't be an insect for a mile or 2 but the scale is still thriving. I hope my orange trees scale isn't that difficult to kill
scales are quite a conundrum! Thanks!
Too much pine-like sticky sap in the fruit! I’ve got a Poncirus triloiata ‘English Large’ X Changsha Mandarin that’s slightly better but still coated my teeth with a sticky bitter film.
Good to know, thank you! It would be interesting to determine any differences in taste from all the currently existing P. trifoliata cultivars to determine which one might be most desirable (...or at least, the least undesirable), then taking that variety and breeding it out to create a superior tasting variety that is palatable to a wider population.
I also think calling this tree a 'hardy orange' is an unfortunate misnomer leaving people with the wrong idea lol. Probably should be more like 'hardy grapefruit' or 'hardy lemon'. Thanks!
@@terra-blegardeningvideos a lot of the hybrids were designed as root stock for regular citrus. There are some that taste better than others that might be decently cold hardy but most of those I’ve killed so not quite hardy for me.