Wednesday Finale: Where it went wrong! - Therapist Reacts!
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Psychotherapist Georgia Dow gives us her thoughts on the finale in "Wednesday" and where she feels things didn't properly depict the established personalities of certain characters.
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When Wednesday says "Enid", Enid's response reads, to me, as a "Go, I've got this" sort of response. It is an acknowledgement that it is her but also there is a confidence there. It is *very* subtle and can be read in other ways, which is a failing of the cinematography, animation, and writing... but I don't think it is *as* major a flaw.
To expand, rather than edit the previous comment, the major hole is the Sheriff shooting what might be his son. Taking umbrage with *that* is perfectly reasonable. It is a contrivance that doesn't make much sense. Enid being willing to maybe sacrifice herself to prevent a greater evil, I find believable enough. There is just a dissonance in the information presented that makes it *bad*.
I agree and am glad that I am not the only one that noticed that subtle look on Enid's wolfed out expression. I also appreciate that they had her use body language rather than making her talk in wolf form however I agree they could have tried to make the expression more noticeable.
This, I definitely read it as Enid said ‘go save the school I got this’ W ‘but I can’t leave you… but I guess I have to’ - W hesitation was her fighting every instinct she had to save her friend to go save everyone.
That's how I read it as well. The look was almost "what are you waiting for? Go!"
@@writeonshell I just wish wendsday said look out or behind you, cuz he was getting up and hit her when she wasn't looking. And then she ran away just saying I got to get to the school not even a thank you
I feel like it was a case of Wednesday thinking "I'm useless in this fight, and there's one I need to take at the academy" and moving to the engagement she thinks she can actually deal with, the showrunners did a bad job of portraying that is all I think.
Also maybe even confidence and trust that Enid could handle it (even if it was misguided)
That’s my take on it, Wednesday is very pragmatic and knows that she’s more helpful at the school than with Enid and Tyler. That’s just on the writers for improperly conveying that to the audience.
I had the same thought.
Also, we don’t know how long the Sherrif was on site. He had seen proof that the creature was at at least one murder because of the homeless guys camera. I could be misremembering, but the sheriff knew his wife couldn’t control her creature.
Nah, its ok, Enid got it, and Wednesday know she has not chance against that big thing. Not everything has to be explained in movies o series through dialogues.
@@tamarindo709 they def failed in that respect, there's more than one way to show "go I got this" than a dialogue piece. Like *Enid makes eye contact with Wednesday and then with the Hyde, then pushes Wednesday behind her so that she's between Wednesday and the hide*
I think the reason why the secret society bothered Enid so much is because she thinks of herself as the socialite that knows everyones business. She even has her gossip blog about who hangs out with who , so the idea that people , specially Ajax, are able to hide something from her messes with her sense of identity.
Seems very accurate! You explained it well^^
is she going to blog about it?
@@insertcognomen probably
Makes sense.
And *that's why* it's secret. Especially from her.
I think it was very in character for Wednesday to run. Wednesday is always deeply analytical even in a crisis. The Hyde was a fight entirely beyond her ability. She'd already faced it alone and was as effective as a kitten fighting a grown mastiff. Throwing a rock would have been symbolic support but not really practical support.
Crackstone on the other hand was a fight where she could make a difference. By running she had a real chance to save multiple lives and if her friend couldn't win then at least Enid's sacrifice would mean something.
Staying would feel better but doesn't appreciably improve Enid's chances and risks the worst possible outcome. Because if Enid loses, they both die for nothing, no one warns the school, and Crackstone wins.
Running means at least SOME people will certainly be warned and able to escape. Someone at least can try to challenge Crackstone, the botany teacher's treachery, and identity of the Hyde will be revealed giving others a fighting chance even if Wednesday falls.
Choosing to run and hope Enid was the equal of the Hyde probably ripped Wednesday's heart out. But she did the grim mathematics of the crisis, and made the correct choice without hesitation. She Plunged into the fight where she could make a difference and didn't waste the chance Enid bought her. It was very much the calculated choice Wednesday would have made despite her feelings.
Staying could have hurt Enids chances. Enid would be split between fighting the hyde, protecting herself, and protecting the very squishy target the hyde would definitely target.
Completely agree. I love Georgia, but this was a rare bad take from her.
@@ericbrown1101 She's wonderful and exactly who you want to talk to if you're having relationship problems or want to reconcile with your estranged father. But she's clearly not a war time consigliere. She's not who you need in a life or death struggle between two groups of people.
I suspect she's probably also pretty okay with that. For what it's worth, she probably is who you want to have on hand when the fighting is over and everyone needs to figure out how to forgive and live with each other again.
I certainly didn’t think that the writing was perfect in the finale but I disagree with the two main points you brought up here.
In regards to Wednesday leaving Enid, that made perfect sense to me from Wednesday characters perspective. She knows that there is a threat at the school that she has to try and deal with, she is going to be pretty useless in a warewolf vs Hyde fight, and I thought the look she and Enid share had pretty strong “Go, I got this” vibes from Enid. I would actually probably argue that Wednesday staying would put Enid in more danger as she would have to focus on both fighting the Hyde and protecting Wednesday. So for me that scene made sense, and fit with how I would imagine Wednesday would react.
I also disagree about the cop shooting the Hyde. We know that the cop is familiar with the different types of outcasts so I think it is entirely plausible that he would understand that the wolf is a person. It had also been firmly established at this point that the Hyde was responsible for all the killings so I think he would know the Hyde was the aggressor in the fight. Certainly it would still be difficult to shoot the Hyde who he knows is his son but I think that it makes sense that that is what he would do.
All this being said I still think that you do an amazing job with the videos and always bring up excellent points. I’m also just one random person so I’m sure other folks have different interpretations of these things.
Also given the adrenaline that Enid and Tyler had going in the fight, plus the size of both of them, the bullets would have been more of an annoyance or distraction. Like an angry bear
Great analysis!
Also, since he's a cop and at least a little familiar with Hydes he'd likely know that a couple bullets wouldn't do any serious or permanent damage
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My biggest problem with the finale was Tyler. He seemed to behave in ways that didn't make sense if he was faking his interest in Wednesday. It reminds me of Hans in Frozen. If he was trying to make her like him to manipulate her then why pretend to be angry with her not being straight about her feelings just before the dance? I'd love it if you could do a video on him to explain your thoughts.
I heard it from someone else, can’t remember who… but before Tyler mentioned the “mixed signals” Wednesday wasn’t even thinking of Tyler in a romantic way. She only ever went to him for help and wasn’t exactly the nicest to him. It was only after the argument (and Thing giving Tyler the note) that Wednesday started to even consider him as a possible romantic interest. The writers have also stated they believe Wednesday could sense the darkness inside of Tyler even if she was not aware of it and that is what drew her towards Tyler. But I will agree they didn’t do super great about hinting him as the villain. I did guess it was him but thought he had no knowledge of being the Hyde and would be horrified to find out what he’s done
@@kitkait98 Yeah, Tyler as the evil villain didn't really make sense to me either, and finding out that Tyler was fully conscious of his actions as the Hyde was a bit of a shock as well. It just didn't seem to fit his character at all when he quietly spoke to Wednesday about even the enjoyment he feels in his violence. The way he acted after revealing himself as the antagonist seemed highly incongruous with how he had acted before. I feel similarly about Marilyn Thornhill too, though we didn't really get to know her that well, anyway, so there was less apparent dissonance in her behavior.
One could probably argue that how they had acted previously was simply a facade and an act to keep up until it was no longer useful to them. Still, I feel like they had shown themselves to be far more empathetic than they ended up being after revealing their "true" selves.
Ngl, I'm surprised these two characters hadn't been brought up more in this discussion as it really stood out to me. What was talked about regarding the Sheriff along with Wednesday's encounter with Enid had flown under my radar until now, so it was interesting to hear that side of it still.
Yeah I had considered Tyler as the Hyde without knowing as well and even said in another comment on one of these videos that if he did know about his actions I'd be kinda peeved. I had thought it was the psychiatrist or the plant teacher for a while and at one point thought it was both when we learned about the master. The thing that kinda bugged me was the timing. We had seen Tyler still at the dance not knowing where Wednesday was seconds before the Hyde showed. We had also seen the plant teacher, Enid, Weems, and a couple others so I assumed it had to be someone that wasn't there. I guess we just have to assume the Hyde is really freaking fast *shrugs*
@@thederpydude2088 While I didn't suspect Tyler until after the Gate house, I totally suspected Thornhill practically near the start, but especially after finding out Laurel was possibly alive. My whole family did. It wasn't totally obvious, but she seemed too invested and gave me weird vibes.
It really was kinda dumb, wasn't it? I get how people can have two sides to themselves, and how the whole nice guy personality was just an act to gain her trust, but, it just seemed, so, generic. Unpredictable, but, in a bad way. Now if he was the hyde but didn't realize it, that I'd be fine with. It's just the whole twist villain thing like that is never really done well. I think it would have been better if, whoever the hyde ended up being, it was someone who either didn't realize it or couldn't help it and was just as terrified as everyone else. That way, you don't get that silly twist villain that's so overdone and often times cheapens characters. I just don't like the hyde enjoying what's going on. Like a werewolf, it should have been something uncontrollable that doesn't define someone's personality or make them inherently a villain.
It made perfect sense that Wednesday split away from Enid when she engaged the Hyde. I highly doubt Wednesday would be much of use here. Crackstone despises Wednesday's ancestor Goody, and they look alike, this is perfect for Wednesday to bring all of Crackstone's attention on her instead of the rest of the school. Makes the most sense to me, imo.
Love the snood. As for Wednesday leaving Enid, I'm not seeing it as being a friendship moment per se but more of a soldier moment. Let's not forget, Wednesday has just recovered from an ugly near-fatal stabbing and knows that the lives of everyone at Nevermore are at stake (what with being told, the prophesy, plus she doesn't know anyone has had any warning). Like Weems, she sees her prime mission is to protect the school and the people within. Did she abandon Enid prematurely? Yeah, a little. But she also presumably knows the power of werewolves and thinks Enid has a be better chance of surviving without her than the school does without her. She played the odds and the numbers.
Similarly, the Sheriff likely knows the difference of a bullet's lethality against a hyde vs a werewolf. Also, it's reasonable to assume that the act is entirely premeditated. He's had years to contemplate how to handle Tyler being a hyde when other lives are at stake. Given that Tyler seems to have survived little worse for the wear (except for still being a psychopath), that seems a safe bet.
Wednesday's return hug, in public view no less, I think is her defining moment of humanity. She voluntarily bonded with someone outside of her family and expressed that without her usual level of calculation. Only Thing and Fester have fostered such a spontaneous outburst of emotion from her that we've seen. And Enid never has to worry about not having someone else in her pack. As a result, Wednesday has upped her mother at least in regards to roommates.
That’s a good point about the sheriff already having a plan for this situation.
In defense of Wednesday peacing out when Enid showed up: Wednesday thinks very pragmatically. She was never going to be able to beat Tyler on he own and every second she wasted trying to was a second for Crackstone to start slaughtering her classmates. Also her presence there, even if just emotional support, put her at risk of Tyler taking her hostage and then she and Enid would both be dead. So honestly her running off was the best thing she could've done
in Wednesday, Sheriff knows that werewolf is a kind of outcast in the school, a common student that just turned into it. and it well known that Hydes are very dangerous, violent and unpredictable, so much that they are the only(if not one of many) kind of outcast to be banned from the school
Regarding Thing being a part of the Nightshades, I'd like to suggest that maybe Thing is not only a member, but possibly a founding member of the society - or maybe the reason the society even exists.. We don't know how old Thing is. Being undead, he might be well over a century old or even more. The society was originally an extremist group that hunted normal humans who persecuted supernatural beings. Thing seems to be a Hand of Glory, which was the severed hand of a hanged man, then preserved and used to gain access to locked rooms through occult means. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Thing was an Addams who was hanged by Normies and then resurrected by Gomez's ancestor. The society could have formed to avenge Thing's death, and to use Thing to gain access to the stronghold of those who murdered him.
I took it as she trusted Enid to handle the situation to the best of her ability and they both knew she had to warn people and get help. I also think Thing is a member of The Nightshades but he swore loyalty to Wednesday and it's life or death for the entire school so I think he didn't have a problem breaking the code. Wednesday was never a sociopath and might not be human, hence the entire history of the characters of The Addams Family and them eating poison like it's nothing.
I highly concur with your take, it's possible that Thing didn't fill Enid in because he swore allegiance to the Nightshades.
thing would completely do that = )
mhm! and also what could wednesday even do in that scenario? its not like she could help enid fight the hyde and going back to the school seems like the most logical thing for her to do. i assumed they just trusted each other as well.
@@GeorgiaDow I think Wednesday knew it was Enid since its fur around its head was dyed the same color as Enid's dyed hair.
Yeah I agree with you
I really love your analysis of the show including the little details in body language and explaining what would be the apropriate behavior in many situations. I wonder if you are considering making more vids on Wednesday because I'd really like to hear your opinions on the relationship or rather dynamic between Wednesday, Tyler and Xavier.
I guess as a werewolf Enid doesn't control herself and went feral, she might have attacked even Wednesday.
What she seemed to have wanted to do when they saw each other (5:45 in your video) if she wasn't attacked again by the Hyde. Not very obvious i admit...
Anyway, it isn't a safe place for Wednesday and time was running out.
What bothers me much more is that Crackstone hate magic and witches... he is an inquisitor type of guy... But suddenly uses magic too out of nowhere and is okay with it... Doesn't make much sense with the character !
Thank you so much for the video, so interesting as usual ! ❤
Okay but I agree completely about the Crackstone part, like he was so against magic and outcasts when he was alive and now he is an outcast that uses magic.
@@tataru1298 Here's the thing about extremists - they are complete hypocrites.
@@RPGLover87 if you put it in that way... then it kinda fits ! 🤣
In my opinion the problem is that the writers didn't really know how to make sure they'd have time for the main plot of the finale.
They spent a bit too much time on the love triangle thing and the red herrings the whole season and it makes this episode look like everyone is running like headless chickens to get everything done in one night, at the cost of some characters being out of character.
It also looks odd next to the slower pace the other episodes have except maybe the first.
Nobody was "out of character".
I think the writers backed themselves into a corner. They knew they wanted Enid to save Wednesday. They wanted the Sheriff to shot his son. They wanted the big hug at the end. Wednesday running to the school at that moment was the only way they could figure out how to have all three.
The sheriff made more sense to me. He saw the Hyde's picture from the attack on the old man, so he definitely knew the Hyde was the murderer. He also probably knew the Hyde could take shot without getting too hurt. And it was a full moon at a school with werewolves.
Regarding Wednesday leaving Enid to fight the Hyde, I do not think it was out of character. In addition to what you already mentioned (stubborn, single-minded, and obsessive!), Wednesday has continuously let herself be pulled by her visions, so it is not surprising that she would feel compelled to go to the school as indicated by the prophecy. The show has also been setting up parallels between Wednesday and Goody Addams - the latter had to leave her mother to die in order to save herself and have the opportunity to protect the greater outcast community. Fortunately, this situation ended up better, but it fits with Wednesday's need to stand up for all outcasts.
I also find it hard to imagine Wednesday standing there and trying to help by just throwing a rock :)
Sheriff Galpin had the pictures from the scene of one of the murders, so he knew for certain that the Hyde was the monster and that it could be his son. He probably spent the last couple of weeks struggling with the fact that he was covering for his son (even going as far as to arrest the wrong person) and had spent years worrying about what might happen if Tyler turned into a Hyde. We still do not know how Francoise Galpin died? Did Sheriff Galpin have to do something in order to protect his son after she turned? I do not think that firing that shot was easy, but the sheriff probably knew that a Hyde is not going to be hurt by a bullet.
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I would chalk the Enid/Wednesday interaction up to a mistake in editing. Or I’ve seen elsewhere in the comments that someone read Enid’s body language as “I’ve got this.” She was upset about the Nightshades because everyone is in the club and no one thought to invite her. Plus the secret snap was just too much for her. I think we saw Wednesday finally respecting and trusting Enid. That’s how you get to the hug.
3:30 - it would be interesting to see if S2+ give Thing some backstory that he's the hand of a former member of the Nightshades that somehow was adopted by Morticia and Gomez during their time at the school ... also just love how the snaps from the Adams Family themesong is derived from their time in the Nightshades ... so many layers to this series!
Thing snapping might hint Thing was an old Alumni perhaps? The sheriff shooting the son, might recontextualize all of his previous actions as having always suspected, maybe even known that his son was the killer, and he was in denial until the therapist was murdered.
The sheriff didn't know everything going on but he clearly knows enough for that decision to make sense.
Welp, history has told us your interpretations aren't always on the nose. I feel like Enid's arrival and the exchanged look represented a kind of solidarity. The look was enough to say, "Go, I'll hold him off." And the sheriff had clearly been holding this possibility in the back of his mind from the beginning. His guilt and fear caused a lot of the toxicity between them. In the end, he was afraid it would come to this. As such, he was darkly ready when the time came.
Mortica and Gomes were members of the nightshades which is why I thought Thing would know about the snap, great video as always!
I think with the whole Wednesday leaving Enid to fight the Hyde situation, Wednesday was also thinking that werewolves are dangerous in their own right. The school has cages for the werewolves to transform in, so this version of werewolves likely has the same short comings that all other depictions do, ie one bite and you're one of us. So I think Wednesday was cognisant of that on top of also having a duty to deal with what was happening at the school.
7:20 At this point in the story there was already reports and statements from Wednesday as well as physical evidence including a picture at the scenes of the attacks that showed the Hyde as the monster killing people. The Sheriff would have been able to recognize, "Werewolf, huh thats nuts. But that thing is the monster killing people." Of course after that would be the dilemma of "is that my kid?"
I feel like he shot Tyler first because he already saw pictures of the Hyde plus a clear illustration to confirm it. Still a hard choice but he knew it was the right one. We already seen previously that it’s hard for the sheriff to admit when he’s wrong but he always does the right thing in the end although very reluctantly
A TV Show overstretching the established story? No way 💀
i believe what they Meant to to portray right before Wednesday left was an unspoken understanding of Enid telling her "GO, ive got this. " however, they needed more than a momentary pause on Enids face. they needed to actually give her an expression that we could easily see. a simple nod or guesture in the direction of the school would have solved that issue, but they assumed that a lingering moment would've said that, and it didnt.
also, as for Thing calling out Ajax, its because hes well aware that lives are more important than a social club. and in its hayday, the society's entire point was protection of outcasts.
and of course Thing's a member. Goody Addams started the Nightshades, so it IS in the family, and him being one of the oldest and most mysterious members of the Addams, wouldnt surprise me if he belonged even before Morticia and Gomez
About the sheriff shooting the Hyde: he knows what the monster is supposed to look like! He's seen it on the pictures made by the homeless man as well as on Xavier's drawings. As for the werewolf; I think it's safe for him to assume this is a Nevermore student.
Part of him probably already suspected Tyler, given his wife's past, but he probably never wanted to acknowledge it untill he was staring him in the face.
My interpretation was that the father had already known that his son was the Hyde and that the Hyde was responsible for the killings. He didn’t like it, but he knew that his son wasn’t the good guy in this situation.
I don't know how Wednesday could have helped Enid in that situation, and she knew she was needed at the academy. Plus, I see it as a display of trust. In a way, she was kinda powerless against Tyler and the fight was extremely brutal. She would have put herself in danger more and interfered, making it probably harder for Enid to focus on protecting her too at the same time.
Could you PLEASE analyze Tyler and the abuse he suffered? Some fans are so unaware of the consequences of grooming
The Nightshades are a very old society and Thing is a legacy member from way back.
Sheriff 100% knows that was a werewolf. He knows all about outcasts, he knows werewolves exist and he knows what they can do. He's lived in Jericho near Nevermore his entire life.
Sheriff Galpin knew that the monster that was responsible for the attacks was a Hyde (and probs Tyler) because of the photos from the homeless man's murder. He knew from the moment that photo was developed that he was hunting Tyler. He just wanted to believe it was anyone else so, when Wednesday presented Xavier as her suspect, he went along with it to try to absolve Tyler.
I think after Wednesday showed the cop the picture of the hyde, he already knew it was most likely Tyler
My thoughts on the Sheriff... 1. as an officer of the law, he would have a lot of training shooting, and this is why if forced to they might shoot to disable and not kill. So if he knew his wife was a hyde he MIGHT have an idea that his son could take the shot and be okay. 2. the angle he took that shot from the hyde was the much bigger target and the wolf was a smaller profile pinned to the tree. When an officer gets to a scene and sees two people fighting they will definitely go after the target with a weapon first, so seeing the hyde about to kill the wolf he would definitely stop the hyde first. Again this is just my take on how the scene played out and what might have been going on in the officers mind, but yeah Wednesday... what the hell girl? lol
when Thing joins in on the "nightshades forever" thing I think it's probably a nod to the fact that Morticia and/or Gomez were Nightshades and probably already knew what to do(i.e. snap twice)
I have to add that the reason the police guy shot his son was because he knew that his son was the hyde, and knew he had to be stopped.
Hyde vs Werewolf
Enid and Wednesday: sure, a better interaction before running off might improve it, but I don't think Wednesday was wrong to leave when she did. Throwing a rock, as you suggested, the best that would do is momentarily distract the Hyde and set up another attack, but Wednesday has no tools and if she gets caught by it, preventing her from showing up back at Nevermore to confront Crackstone (where a lot more lives than just Enid's were in immediate jeopardy) and takes too much damage from it so that she's weakened for the Crackstone fight.... I think she picked a priority, "where am I needed the most right now?" and the answer was "not here fighting the hyde"
Sheriff shooting his son: (personal opinion...i don't think that guy should've been a father in the first place. he obviously doesn't have a good relationship with his son and has nothing nice to say, and seems to care a lot more about his job) We started this series with the Sheriff wanting to find the monster and stop it before it killed anybody else. Period. We start the finale episode with him listening to Dr. Kinbott's tapes, and it is implied he knows what his wife was, and probably what his son is. His son, who kills people. Kills people. People that the sheriff has had to pick up the dismembered pieces of. The Sheriff also knows that werewolves (among other things) are in attendance at Nevermore, so regardless of him witnessing a fight between two monsters, he has prior information about who is responsible for killing people, and it's his son, the Hyde and not the werewolf. I think he was totally capable of shooting his son, probably not killing his son. He shot his son, who was about to kill another kid (werewolf or not), and then once she wasn't about to die, tried to talk him down.
I also don't think they would have written Enid in a precarious situation like that if the Sheriff wasn't going to be there to intervene. Wednesday probably trusted Enid's ability to handle herself, "this kitty's got claws and [she's] not afraid to use them."
I could see Thing knowing about the Nightshades through Wednesday's parents. Morticia and Gomez's portrait is prominent in the Nightshades' secret hideaway.
Point about the sherif: he has been hunting a hide for a while and hoping it won't be his son. There is an emotional rift there. He has been gearing up for stopping his son in the act. I'm pretty sure he would have shot them both if Enid had been more able.
I love how you care for the characters in the show. I can get the same way. I even get attached to my D&D/anything characters. It would be so fun to watch you watch these shows to see how many times you go "what the heck"! Lastly maybe you could do an Episode on "Andor".
I THINK the reason Thing double snapped was because in the family song to addams it is a part where they do the double snap after a piano tune so it can be like a hidden reference to that
Thanks...I have enjoyed your content over the past year and look forward to 2023. Blessings on your day!
Same to you! blessings
Enid/Hyde fight: It may have come down to "the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few(one)." Although she could have taken a blink moment to decide this.
All the other members of the Addams family (except W and her brother) are members of the secret society, so it makes sense that Thing is as well
3:30: Odds are Thing was a Nightshade back when Gomez and Cousin Itt were attending.
6:00: I respectfully disagree. Wednesday has shown that she *uses* people around her and puts them in danger if needed. It's something she's regretted, but it's still her default trait in such situations and when we're in stressful situations we fall back on our default traits.
She was the one who had to stop Crackstone ... priorities.|
7:00: Why would he shoot his son immediately? Because he feels responsible. He knows what his wife was. He knows what his son probably is. He should've realized what was happening the whole time. He was either in denial or protecting his son ... which has led to this point. He was all set to throw Wednesday under the bus when he knew in his heart that she was likely right. Also, don't forget that the Sheriff knows about the kids in Nevermore. He sees a werewolf, he knows it's a student ... a student that his son is about to kill along with all the other people he's killed.
The Sheriff knows he created this situation through his negligence. He has to take responsibility and deal with the situation.
They found a photo of the hide at a murder scene. They know the killer was a hide, not a werewolf because it killed on days that weren’t full moons
I think that long form gaze in Wednesday's direction was Enid telling her "Wednesday, go! Go!" So she went. Also, Sherriff Galpin shooting Tyler was, in my opinion because he's been in that school before and saw the Fangs as boneheads who just make a lot of racket and might be a little less inhibited when wolfed out. Hence the Lupin cages. Also , the picture(s?) of Hyde Tyler next to an unalived homeless person might have informed him as to the situation. You got me at Hyde vs werewolf, though. That could've easily been two chaotic beings painting the town red( 😏 ) that happened to clash.
In the sheriff's defense, the world of this show has established through Enid's parents that werwolves are a well known thing (Enid references having seen a "lycanologyst" and there is the conversion camp thing) . While hydes are mentioned as much more rare with limited info being available on them. The sheriff has seen the victims of the Hyde since before the show takes place, giving him an idea of what it is capable of. For all we know sheriff Galpan could have been standing there during their first bit of the fight trying to decide what to do. IMO its another editing/directing/storytelling issue rather than a character or logic one.
I agree with your comments related to Tyler and his dad except that his dad knew it was a Hyde that killed all those innocent people he even saw a picture of it so arriving on scene and seeing him fight Enid in Wolf form would mean he would have a better idea that Tyler was the evil one. Also its noted he never shot Tyler with the intention of killing him as evident at the end of the series he shot him merely to incapacitate him which i think would fall in line with a parent trying to do whats best for their child, otherwise he may have been killed by either Enid or some other monster at nevermore potentially this way he survives but is temporarily incapacitated. at least that is my take on it
I think the issue with the Enid scene is that we're trying to have a character that barely emotes interact with a TV budget CG wolf.
On Wednesday's decision to leave Enid alone fighting the Hyde, I think of it as a kind of utilitarian calculus. Wednesday had no idea how many students had been evacuated, and it was quite likely that multiple lives were still at risk, compared to the single life at risk in the fight with the Hyde. She didn't even need to be the unique "chosen one" to stop Crackstone for this to be the case. For all Wednesday knew, anyone else who might have otherwise risen to the occasion could have been too far away, too slow, or too injured. I don't think it was an easy decision by any means, but she weighed the risks and determined that the more important ethical duty lay back at the school. Rather than being out-of-character, I think it was a rare case when Wednesday's general discomfort with emotional attachments (even as she still forms them despite herself) helped more than it hindered. It gave her the emotional strength to put the greater good above her growing fondness for Enid, a kind of strength that many "normies" don't have (however understandably so). I actually wrote a short fanfic that has Enid helping Wednesday cope with her inner guilt over that decision as well as what Xavier yelled at her in jail.
6:40 reminds me of that scene from A Plague Tale: Requiem.....to do something like that is so heartbreaking. First time any story like that got me so depressed that it physically affected me. Never knew that was possible
Maybe Wednesday knew enough Lycans to believe Enid had a strength or endurance advantage over a Hyde.
Wednesday didn’t ‘run away’ from Enid’s fight. Running away implies leaving a dangerous situation to a safe situation. Wednesday left Enid to fight the battle she could affect. She did not leave her friend in a dangerous situation to save herself.
9:54 "For those of you who think that oh well, Wednesday just believed so strongly in Enid that she thought that she could survive, *she almost didn't."*
Well, yeah, but Wednesday didn't know that, did she. She believed Enid would be safe - or at least safe enough, considering it was still a fight between two "monsters". Just because Enid _eventually wasn't_ is not a valid reasoning to to go against what Wednesday believed.
If I believed I have picked up everything I need before leaving the house, I'm going to leave the house, not stick around just for the off chance case I had forgotten something - even if I *had* actually forgotten something without realizing.
I do this almost every day when leaving for work, and sometimes I do forget stuff at home, despite thinking I have everything. And I still go to work.
Me being *wrong* about having everything is not enough alone to make me question if I do.
Yes I think that is a true point also
One of the most cute cosplays you ever done. Also, I agree with you, THAT moment is weird for Wednesday to leave Enid. But I think the officer shot Tyler because he did not wanted his son to hurt people and probably end up depressed like his mother. Idk 😅
In defense on leaving Enid with the Hyde: What could Wednesday realistically do against the Hyde. It had her dead to rights before Enid came to help and Wednesday didn't have any real weapons on her that could have turned the fight in her favor. Hyde's intentions were to kill Wednesday, for her to foil Hyde's plan the best she could do is get some distance from him, because if she stayed it would keep Wednesday in danger and force Enid to keep protecting her and possibly leaving herself open to Hyde killing Enid. Wednesday got rid of the weak link in the fight, herself. As for not finding another form of help through the other werewolves, or sirens (who could hypnotize from a distance), or even Ajax (since he can turn anything he looks at TO STONE near instantaneously), that is a bad move on Wednesday's behalf.
love these videos you look so cool as enid! you should totally do an analysis of tyler I would be so interesting!
Will do a video on Tyler gaupin? I'm curious to understand his psychology better.
Thing was probably a member back when Morticia and Gomez were at school. That could be where they met
I actually think then looking at each other eyes already gave it away, Enid lowkey just assured her it’ll be fine but it could be thinking that, because they looked at each other for quite a bit and that’s enough to communicate with someone
I feel like one of the most tired things about the “Wednesday is a sociopath” argument is that so many people seem to equate being a sociopath with being incapable of doing anything positive. Obviously that happens frequently, but it’s always baffled me that even some professionals argue that people with anti social personality disorder are simply incapable of positive actions
in the sheriff's defence, he knew what the hyde looks like because of the camera from that bearded man. He also knows that the hyde is a homicidal monster and he knows that werewolves are technically people in this school who transform.
My understanding is thing is a nightshade from before being disbanded. He hasn't been participating since hes been back at the school but he was a contemporary of morticia in the society.
PS on the Enid werewolf front my reading is that Wednesday has what pilots call target fixation. She has missed in the moment the danger that in it is in and relief of her rescuing Wednesday. I think it was a moon dancing bear for her.
Wednesday was just being practical and not emotional like always and chose to engage a fight that she could win. She even said she needed to get back at school so she didn't just run from it. Sure they could have shown her doing so while Enid had the upper hand in the fight so that it does not feel at all like she left Enid alone.
Sheriff knew that it was the hide that was attacking and killing people. Wednesday on a previous episode gave him evidence especially a photo of it. In the scene the hide was the aggressor so it makes more sense to actually shoot him. He did not know for sure at the time that it was his son and he realized that only when the hide turned towards him. This scene was definitely not so well shot though tbh. It should have shown sheriff seeing some of the action prior to the shooting coz the shooting came out of nowhere. I know they did so to not ruin the surprise save but i think they should have done it differently.
Love your analysis of the Wednesday series.
While I do agree for the most part that Wednesday should have at least tried to help Enid, I that we have to remember that she is very rational to a fault despite of any emotions she is developing. She probably knew that there wasn't much she could do to help Enid against Tyler and she realized that time was of the essence to save the rest of Nevermore from Crackstone. Additionally, her line, "I have to get back to the school," felt hastily put in; it's possible that this scene was meant to be longer but had to edited and cut to be made shorter for timing purposes? Shame Netflix doesn't include deleted scenes...
As far as Sheriff Galpin, he must have known that Tyler's mother was a Hyde also and that shooting Tyler in that form would have only been a distraction at best. The Sheriff is also a righteous man, such as when he was willing to apologize to Gomez over Garrett Gates' murder and probably knew he had to use extreme measures to slow down his son's rampage.
Love your content as always. Would love to hear your thoughts on Wanda's downfall/development in Multiverse of Madness.
Thank you for pointing out the fact that Wednesday left Edith during that fight scene that bothered me so much
Ok correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that at least the towns folk knew about werewolves and that the nevermore students had some so the dad shot his son knowing the werewolf was a student and that's why he shot him and not Enid
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, i could agree that the Finale might’ve not been perfect and I guess it had some inconsistency in it too, still there seems to have just been a small instance of this, though I guess sometimes the small moments can be the most important,
Heck, personally, all I can really say about the Finale is that it was for the most part surprising, since the plot was about solving a mystery involving a Monster, I was sort of expecting the Finale to be intense at least, but it went into directions that I was not expecting at all and I feel like it got so much more dramatic as well as intense than I thought it would’ve been,
I was expecting some sort of Final Confrontation, but instead I got something more like a Final Showdown, it was a interesting turn and I didn’t mind that much, but how I overall think and feel about it, i am uncertain of.
Anyway, regardless, Season 2 was announced not too long ago, so i guess we’ll see how things will from this point eventually, i do hope Season 2 do improve on what Season 1 has established, I think this Show deserves it.
What would you like to see in Season 2?
Unlike a lot of other supernatural media
People seem to be aware of and OK with monsters and such
in technical terms, I think the ending was rush. That's why, if they took the time to made those scene plausible, wednesdays wouldn't left Enid fight on her own and the pilgrim guys wouldn't die after 2 second of screen time.
I think there was a mutual understanding and trust between Wednesday and Enid in that moment. Wednesday and Enid both believed that Enid could handle the Hyde, and Wednesday HAD to go and stop Crackstone. What Wednesday would have been able to do against a giant monster like the Hyde was minimal, in comparison to a much more "human" scale foe like undead Crackstone. Enid and Wednesday both knew what they had to do.
As for the sheriff, I think he felt sort of responsible for having let Tyler take his reign of terror as far as it got. He shut his eyes in the face of the obvious perpetrator. When he finally faced it, he knew what he had to do, which I think speaks to a deeper integrity within the sheriff as a character - which makes him much more interesting, tbh.
Wednesday is aloof. she sees herself as above or beyond most others. Even with Enid...she's not particularly empathetic. Like the Elves in Tolkien, Wednesday will help....she's just not always clear on when she'd be expected to. I think she judged that Enid had the situation covered. I do think it's in character for her. I think this is right. I don't agree personally and I think this may be a big arc for her. I think this is likely to come up again, as I think Wednesday and Enid might become an item next season or at least they'll continue to develop a closer friendship. Wednesday's aloofness is likely to be taken as hurtful by Enid... particularly if they get closer and spend more time together.
Your take and reactions are always so interesting!
(lovely cosplay, too!!)
3:51
To me, when I saw that (for the x times) it seemed to me that Enid said to Wednesday "go".
Like she does a small head movement, which makes Wednesday reacts after that... But idk if it's really what she's saying.or maybe shejust trusted enid...?
The thing about galpin shooting the Hyde he knows how Hyde’s can because of his wife he saw on the picture of one of the crime scenes the Hyde was the killer and he knows that the Hyde’s were banned from nevermore because of his wife being the last one so he could just realize the Hyde shouldn’t be there meaning he’s the aggressor
Yes, that or she is moved by the desire to fulfill the task, defy the prophecy and not so much save Xavier
Well, as I just watched this, and I know it's late to the party...
1) The sheriff knew what the murderer looked like from the pictures recovered from the hobo's murder. So, when he came upon the Hyde fighting Enid he knew immediately who the "bad" monster between the two to be; the Hyde. Further, as others pointed out, the sheriff would have known that Nevermore had werewolves in it. It's one reason that he believed the murders to have been committed by a student at Nevermore; he believed the murderer to be a werewolf student. So, coming upon the Hyde he knew to be the murderer and another monster fighting, he would have immediately thought the other to be a werewolf and Nevermore student.
2) The sheriff ASKS, "Tyler, is that you?" The sheriff doesn't know for sure that it IS his son, so, he surely didn't KNOW it when he first shot it. We aren't even sure if the sheriff knew it was a Hyde to begin with, only that the sheriff knew his wife (Tyler's mother) was a Hyde and that Tyler might have inherited it from his mother. All he knew, that we know of, is that he knew it was the murderer when he took the first shot at it because he saw the pictures from the hobo's murder.
3) Wednesday knew she was the person who was to fight Crackstone, according to Rowan and the picture, and as far as she knew, the only person who COULD defeat him given Goody's talks with Wednesday. So, leaving Enid to run to the school was totally what she would have done for no other reason than she had to get to the school TO fight Crackstone, even having to leave Enid to fight the Hyde alone to do so.
The show threw a LOT of information out in previous episode's, and it was upon the viewer to pick up on them as they came back into play in later episodes.
That troubled me SO MUCH
What if she did the “thing” thing. She kinda did a smiley thing and a nose twitch. Maybe that was a “look at me, I’m a cool werewolf, save the rest of our friends, I’ll handle this”.
The Camera has PICTURES of the Hyde killing one of the victims. He knows A hyde is the murderer. He didn't believe Tyler was one, but knew OF them. So he had every reason to shoot on instinct a monster that he has profiled as the killer with photographic evidance. I'd argue.
I think its more that Wednesday is such a logical thinker that she knew that she wouldn't be any help in the fight against the hide and that any attempt would likely get her self killed or be a waste of time so she made a decision to let Enid fight it and trusted that her friend would win while she went back to save the school.
In Wednesday's defense, she probably analyzed the situation and was forced to make a difficult decision. If Wednesday didn't put a stop to Crackstone immediately, she would be putting the whole school at risk, including Enid. She had to have faith that Enid could defeat Tyler or at least hold him off long enough for Wednesday to return.
yes that could be that she believed in enid skills
Also she called eugene and her ringtone was flight of the *bumblebee*
I figured thing did the snap is because the Adams family has something similar if I’m remembering correctly
i thought she left enid because she knew even if enid died which she obviously hoped didn’t happen, the hyde would just get her, and there wasn’t anything she could do to help enid in a werewolf battle thingy
Do you think you could make a video on Tyler’s psychology as well?
The finale was definitely flawed but I never thought about this aspect of it before lol
I personally thought quite a few things were inconsistent with some of the characters. Whether it was Wednesday´s view on murder, Tyler´s and the sheriff´s behavior, the whole outcast concept at Nevermore, Principal Wheem´s habit of lying unnecessarily etc.
hmmm I do get where you're coming from on Wednesday leaving Enid, but while Wednesday is not adverse to fighting, I don't believe she faced a fight quite like this before and in situations such as that, where your survival is on the line and other things are happening which might demand your immediate attention, people CAN make hasty choices.
you totaly missed the body language of Enid and the hesitation of Wednesday in that scene.
And you totaly underestimate the sheriff as well. He knows the Hide is the serial killer. He has seen photographs and drawn pictures of him. And he knows what a werewolf is. You can be sure that he is very familiar with the capabilities of different types of outcasts, that is his job.
He even married a Hide himself so you can bet that he had his suspicions about his son from the moment he had seen the first photo, he just didn't want it to be true and was looking for another explanation.
Yes I definitely love and agree with this video! All the prior episodes I loved so much and binged watched but once I got to the finale I felt cheated. For the reasons in this video amongst others!
These reasons include;
The main "evil" villain comes across as a joke instead of dark fantasy/scary vibes which they were hinted to be which ruined the spectacular ending for me personally.
Logic got thrown out the window in this episode. For example there were multiple opportunities for the villains to kill Wednesday/finish her off after the reason she was being kept alive had passed. However for some reason they decided not to take them which felt anticlimactic & pure plot armour (e.g. shooting at bees instead after vowing to kill Wednesday).
Some prior characters from past episodes had no relevance in the final few episodes, and just felt unnecessary to the story because of this e.g. The Mayor's Son (Like where was the scenes of him in processing his fathers death?).
While it had some good moments, just felt rushed and left the viewer with too many questions that were left unresolved throughout the show. The show even acknowledges this at the end, but that just felt like a slap in the face, since there was too many questions were left unanswered.
Looking back there were some side characters I feel needed more depth to them in order for viewers to better connect to them. However I understand being a mystery show they don't want to give too much information away about potential suspects as well.
What did you want Wednesday to do against the Hyde? Like how could she even helped?
That part where Wednesday left werewolf Enid wasn’t written correctly. Plus, the father was already trying to track his son. Also, he shot his son but didn’t kill his son. He probably knew it would take a bullet to stop the hyde.
i think the sheriff could shoot his son, he knew about hydes and probably knew about the amount of damage they could take or that the bullet would be enough to make him turn back - not to mention a lot of police are able to disregard family, my uncle was a police officer and had to arrest his son for r*pe, he said from the moment he knew his son was guilty that he no longer considered him his son and the thought of the evil act he did is all he could think of so the sheriff could easily just write his son off a sick murderer and use that to block everything else out
You are wrong about the sheriff not knowing which was the monster....the homeless guy who got killed took a photo of what killed him, so the sheriff definitely knew which was the monster killing people and which was someone else. Not only that, since he had been married to a Hyde, he knew exactly what it was, and probably already suspected that it was his son.
Werewolves are very resilient, they only weakness is silver so maybe this is cold calculation that Enid will sucesfull stand the ground against Hyde.
Fair criticism. I agree with most of the points