"The first step of apostasy is to get up a creed, telling us what we shall believe. The second is to make that creed a test of fellowship. The third is to try members by that creed. The fourth to denounce as heretics those who do not believe that creed. And fifth, to commence persecution against such." J. N. Loughborough
@dustinbutler-sda Thanks for that quote which is important. Many have a mix up as to what is a creed. The word creed seems to put fear in many people. The word creed simply means: A brief summary of the articles of Christian faith; a symbol; as the Apostolic creed. 2. That which is believed; any system of principles which are believed or professed; as a political creed. The Bible is our creed. Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul, and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. GC88 588.1 The doctrine of the natural immortality of the soul is one error with which the enemy is deceiving man. This error is well-nigh universal. BEcho February 1, 1897, par. 3 And those who have so far wandered from God's word as to believe Satan's fiction that there is no death, despite God's word to the contrary, will, if they do not forsake that error, fall easy victims to all the false doctrine with which the agents of Satan will flood the world. PTUK April 5, 1894, page 215.14 With the above quotes in mind, do you believe it's ok to baptize someone into God's church while yet cherishing these ideas? I hope you don't shy away from this question. Thank you for taking the time to comment we hope you will take the time to respond to the above question.
All those who denounce Ellen White and her heretical apostasy of 1888 and 1891 return of Christ (thereby rejecting the book of revelation) or her doctrine of investigative judgment have been dis fellowshiped and defrocked
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelationeven now the general conference swears an oath upholding the prophetic nature of Ellen White's 1888 ,1891 message as per the 1888 committee at the general conference and the oath they swear.
'Baptizing in the threefold name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit' always puzzles me. It is written once in the Bible, where it says: 'baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'. Matthew 28:!9. There are no other Biblical sources to check that are even similar, no 'precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little'. . . Isa 28:13. With the exception for the way the disciples Baptized. And they Baptized 'into Christ' Gal 3:27 or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus' Acts 8:16. You quoted 6T 91.3, where Sis White tells the same thing: 'Those who are Baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King . . . What am I missing here? Something doesn't add up. Did the disciples disobey Christ? 🤷♀🤷♀
THE TRUE SABBATH-DAY NEITHER SATURDAY NOR SUNDAY ARE THE SABBATHS I write in the comment section because your admin deletes my posts when i post them in your group. And he shall speak great words against El Elyon, and shall wear out the qodeshiym of El Elyon, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a period of time and times and the dividing of time. Daniy'el (Daniel) 7:25 HOW THE EUROPEANS REBEL AGAINST EL ELYON! The bible says, And Elohiym said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for appointed feasts, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And Elohiym made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Bere'shiyth (Genesis) 1:14-16 Saturday is a man-made contrivance that originated rather recently, first in the Julian and later in the Gregorian calendar, which was not of divine origin. It is not the Sabbath. This was done purposely to obscure the real Sabbath and is easily discovered, what happened. The real Sabbath was always calculated from the full moon as the original New Moon, something someone everywhere could see, no matter their location. Since creation, man has used this magnificent timepiece to know what day it was, what month, and what year. In other words, by comparison, NEWS FLASH: “The sun, moon, and stars are not a recent creation.” The Julian and Gregorian (Pope Gregory) calendars are of much more recent origin. So what is the real difference, if any, between the recent man-made system and the previous Creator’s calendar? Much! And in every way. In His, all the previous Sabbaths in antiquity were calculated from the full New Moon Day. The full New Moon Day was the first day of each lunar month, which is no longer apparent in the Roman solar time model. Each lunar month the full New Moon interrupts the weekly cycle causing the first Sabbath to fall on the 8th day of the lunar month, yet remains the 7th day of the week in a four-week cycle. The next three Sabbaths would occur on the 15th, the 22nd, and the 29th of the lunar month, and always the seventh day of the week. The Creator’s system was in place from creation, it was of course in place and used by His proclaimed followers from creation to the day of the Messiah, our Savior, and beyond. He did not use our “modern” system obviously; as it had not been enforced upon the Jews until the 4th century A.D. The Messiah’s practice was to be at the temple when everyone else was, on the same Sabbaths as they. Not on the Pope Gregory calendar’s seventh-day Saturdays. The “seeking to change times and laws” (years, months, Sabbaths, and days of Daniel 7:25) had not yet been concocted by the man of sin nor accepted universally as it now is. This is a bigger issue than the Saturday/Sunday question, which churchmen spend so much time discussing and arguing over. The new system in place today has already changed more than just Saturday and Sunday sacredness. This new system seeks to replace the sun, moon, and stars in the heavens, designed to govern/rule over man. Changing the entire calendar was mankind’s rebellious purpose, which includes entirely different Sabbaths. It seeks to institute foreign Sabbaths on which He is not present. Inspiration tells us that mankind “seeks” (Daniel 7:25) to do this, although the heavens are still there and cannot be replaced except in the deceived mind of man. The New Moon Day was a Sacred celebration day, just as the Sabbath is, yet it was never the seventh day as it is written Ezekiel 46:1. In other words, it was not one of the weekly workdays nor a Sabbath. This paradigm New Moon Day interrupted the weekly seven-day cycle every lunar month, occurring on day one of every month. The full moon that arose in the night sky along the east-west time continuum announced that the next day was the New Moon Day. Then, on day two, the seven-day weekly cycle would begin for four weeks, from one New Moon to the next. This cannot compute with what man has come up with to take its place. In the two calendars, the Sabbaths are on completely different days. All one needs to do to verify this is to recognize that the two calendars are not the same. Just this simple fact. Man’s calendar has an endless recycling of seven days, which has no relation to anything in the heavens and is therefore meaningless. It ignores the moon for its lunar months and lunar Sabbaths calculated by the moon. Then, they call it Saturday by the religious. In man’s system, Saturday would only fall on the true Sabbath on rare occasions, and nobody would notice or care if it did or not. The original calendar appointed for both heaven and earth utilized the sun, moon, and stars, as was the Creator’s intention. This is the one the Messiah, our LAMB, observed. In it are found the true Sabbath days, which are written in the heavens and easily observed. To know where he is, one need not procure a calendar to hang on his wall or carry it with him. It wasn’t necessary. So the argument between which day, Saturday or Sunday is to be kept set-apart sacred, is completely moot and wholly meaningless. It is neither Saturday nor Sunday that is Holy. They are each a workday unless the moon places the Sabbath on one of them. If, according to the moon, the Sabbath falls on Sunday, that particular Sunday would be set apart sacred along with the following three Sundays, which would complete the month. Even the religious today have bought into the substitute system and calendar. Now, the authentic calendar of creation, ordained by their Creator, doesn’t pass their smell test. If you were brought up keeping Saturday or Sunday Holy as most are now, you were doing it alone, meaning the Creator wasn’t celebrating it with you as promised for the real one. But think what this means; you have yet to experience a real Sabbath with Him this coming Seventh-day Sabbath.
Dear brother KingMacka, I'm sure that you spent many hours coming to your conclusions of the 360 day yearly cycles. But here are some things you may want to consider. I agree with your Genesis interpretation concerning the Creation. Because the Creator declared at the end of the sixth day that everything He created was very good, then it's probably certain that the axis of earth was not tilted. But when God judged the wickedness of man by destroying the earth by a Great Flood it's very possible that is when the axis of the earth became tilted which caused the yearly cycle to change. According to 2nd Peter 3: 5-7 the world perished. Another thing to consider is what the bible says in Luke 23: 54-56 and 24: 1. Jesus rested the sabbath day in the tomb and upon the first day of the week Jesus was resurrected. It's common knowledge that astronomers have calculated that the seven day week has never changed. So if Jesus rested in the tomb on the seventh day and rose from the tomb on the first day, then according to the astronomers, the seventh day (Saturday) and the first day (Sunday) are still the same now as it was when Christ was crucified.
"The first step of apostasy is to get up a creed, telling us what we shall believe. The second is to make that creed a test of fellowship. The third is to try members by that creed. The fourth to denounce as heretics those who do not believe that creed. And fifth, to commence persecution against such." J. N. Loughborough
"As elsewhere stated, Seventh-day Adventists have no creed but the Bible" -FP 1889 147.1 -Juan Contreras
@dustinbutler-sda
Thanks for that quote which is important. Many have a mix up as to what is a creed. The word creed seems to put fear in many people. The word creed simply means: A brief summary of the articles of Christian faith; a symbol; as the Apostolic creed.
2. That which is believed; any system of principles which are believed or professed; as a political creed.
The Bible is our creed.
Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul, and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. GC88 588.1
The doctrine of the natural immortality of the soul is one error with which the enemy is deceiving man. This error is well-nigh universal. BEcho February 1, 1897, par. 3
And those who have so far wandered from God's word as to believe Satan's fiction that there is no death, despite God's word to the contrary, will, if they do not forsake that error, fall easy victims to all the false doctrine with which the agents of Satan will flood the world. PTUK April 5, 1894, page 215.14
With the above quotes in mind, do you believe it's ok to baptize someone into God's church while yet cherishing these ideas? I hope you don't shy away from this question.
Thank you for taking the time to comment we hope you will take the time to respond to the above question.
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelationAmen.
All those who denounce Ellen White and her heretical apostasy of 1888 and 1891 return of Christ (thereby rejecting the book of revelation) or her doctrine of investigative judgment have been dis fellowshiped and defrocked
@@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelationeven now the general conference swears an oath upholding the prophetic nature of Ellen White's 1888 ,1891 message as per the 1888 committee at the general conference and the oath they swear.
Amen!
Thanks for the message
'Baptizing in the threefold name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit' always puzzles me. It is written once in the Bible, where it says: 'baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'. Matthew 28:!9. There are no other Biblical sources to check that are even similar, no 'precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little'. . . Isa 28:13. With the exception for the way the disciples Baptized. And they Baptized 'into Christ' Gal 3:27 or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus' Acts 8:16. You quoted 6T 91.3, where Sis White tells the same thing: 'Those who are Baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King . . . What am I missing here? Something doesn't add up. Did the disciples disobey Christ? 🤷♀🤷♀
Amen 🙏🏽
Mercy
What does she mean when she said to baptized in the threefold union in the name of the Father son,and Holy Spirit?
Please give source data...for example..1 SelectedMessages pg 204-205...where do you find this quote you have provided?
@@godschurch8332 I think that the person was referring to a reference given during this message, it came from 6T 91.3
Exodus 20:1-17.Isaiah 53. John 17.❤
THE TRUE SABBATH-DAY
NEITHER SATURDAY NOR SUNDAY ARE THE SABBATHS
I write in the comment section because your admin deletes my posts when i post them in your group.
And he shall speak great words against El Elyon, and shall wear out the qodeshiym of El Elyon, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a period of time and times and the dividing of time. Daniy'el (Daniel) 7:25
HOW THE EUROPEANS REBEL AGAINST EL ELYON!
The bible says,
And Elohiym said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for appointed feasts, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And Elohiym made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Bere'shiyth (Genesis) 1:14-16
Saturday is a man-made contrivance that originated rather recently, first in the Julian and later in the Gregorian calendar, which was not of divine origin. It is not the Sabbath. This was done purposely to obscure the real Sabbath and is easily discovered, what happened.
The real Sabbath was always calculated from the full moon as the original New Moon, something someone everywhere could see, no matter their location. Since creation, man has used this magnificent timepiece to know what day it was, what month, and what year. In other words, by comparison, NEWS FLASH: “The sun, moon, and stars are not a recent creation.” The Julian and Gregorian (Pope Gregory) calendars are of much more recent origin.
So what is the real difference, if any, between the recent man-made system and the previous Creator’s calendar? Much! And in every way. In His, all the previous Sabbaths in antiquity were calculated from the full New Moon Day. The full New Moon Day was the first day of each lunar month, which is no longer apparent in the Roman solar time model. Each lunar month the full New Moon interrupts the weekly cycle causing the first Sabbath to fall on the 8th day of the lunar month, yet remains the 7th day of the week in a four-week cycle. The next three Sabbaths would occur on the 15th, the 22nd, and the 29th of the lunar month, and always the seventh day of the week.
The Creator’s system was in place from creation, it was of course in place and used by His proclaimed followers from creation to the day of the Messiah, our Savior, and beyond. He did not use our “modern” system obviously; as it had not been enforced upon the Jews until the 4th century A.D. The Messiah’s practice was to be at the temple when everyone else was, on the same Sabbaths as they. Not on the Pope Gregory calendar’s seventh-day Saturdays. The “seeking to change times and laws” (years, months, Sabbaths, and days of Daniel 7:25) had not yet been concocted by the man of sin nor accepted universally as it now is. This is a bigger issue than the Saturday/Sunday question, which churchmen spend so much time discussing and arguing over.
The new system in place today has already changed more than just Saturday and Sunday sacredness. This new system seeks to replace the sun, moon, and stars in the heavens, designed to govern/rule over man. Changing the entire calendar was mankind’s rebellious purpose, which includes entirely different Sabbaths. It seeks to institute foreign Sabbaths on which He is not present. Inspiration tells us that mankind “seeks” (Daniel 7:25) to do this, although the heavens are still there and cannot be replaced except in the deceived mind of man.
The New Moon Day was a Sacred celebration day, just as the Sabbath is, yet it was never the seventh day as it is written Ezekiel 46:1. In other words, it was not one of the weekly workdays nor a Sabbath. This paradigm New Moon Day interrupted the weekly seven-day cycle every lunar month, occurring on day one of every month. The full moon that arose in the night sky along the east-west time continuum announced that the next day was the New Moon Day. Then, on day two, the seven-day weekly cycle would begin for four weeks, from one New Moon to the next. This cannot compute with what man has come up with to take its place. In the two calendars, the Sabbaths are on completely different days.
All one needs to do to verify this is to recognize that the two calendars are not the same. Just this simple fact. Man’s calendar has an endless recycling of seven days, which has no relation to anything in the heavens and is therefore meaningless. It ignores the moon for its lunar months and lunar Sabbaths calculated by the moon. Then, they call it Saturday by the religious. In man’s system, Saturday would only fall on the true Sabbath on rare occasions, and nobody would notice or care if it did or not.
The original calendar appointed for both heaven and earth utilized the sun, moon, and stars, as was the Creator’s intention. This is the one the Messiah, our LAMB, observed. In it are found the true Sabbath days, which are written in the heavens and easily observed. To know where he is, one need not procure a calendar to hang on his wall or carry it with him. It wasn’t necessary.
So the argument between which day, Saturday or Sunday is to be kept set-apart sacred, is completely moot and wholly meaningless. It is neither Saturday nor Sunday that is Holy. They are each a workday unless the moon places the Sabbath on one of them. If, according to the moon, the Sabbath falls on Sunday, that particular Sunday would be set apart sacred along with the following three Sundays, which would complete the month. Even the religious today have bought into the substitute system and calendar. Now, the authentic calendar of creation, ordained by their Creator, doesn’t pass their smell test.
If you were brought up keeping Saturday or Sunday Holy as most are now, you were doing it alone, meaning the Creator wasn’t celebrating it with you as promised for the real one. But think what this means; you have yet to experience a real Sabbath with Him this coming Seventh-day Sabbath.
Dear brother KingMacka, I'm sure that you spent many hours coming to your conclusions of the 360 day yearly cycles. But here are some things you may want to consider. I agree with your Genesis interpretation concerning the Creation. Because the Creator declared at the end of the sixth day that everything He created was very good, then it's probably certain that the axis of earth was not tilted. But when God judged the wickedness of man by destroying the earth by a Great Flood it's very possible that is when the axis of the earth became tilted which caused the yearly cycle to change. According to 2nd Peter 3: 5-7 the world perished. Another thing to consider is what the bible says in Luke 23: 54-56 and 24: 1. Jesus rested the sabbath day in the tomb and upon the first day of the week Jesus was resurrected. It's common knowledge that astronomers have calculated that the seven day week has never changed. So if Jesus rested in the tomb on the seventh day and rose from the tomb on the first day, then according to the astronomers, the seventh day (Saturday) and the first day (Sunday) are still the same now as it was when Christ was crucified.