Great video! Just getting into airsoft so I was hoping you could help me a bit. When you talk about removing teeth, do you mean from the gear or the piston? What speed motor would you recommend to get about 25-30 RPS? Have a perun mosfet and was given a set of 13:1 gears. Have a 7.4 lipo but was considering upgrading to a 11.1 if I can find one to fit. Thank for your help and keep making these videos!
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How can do this motor work properly with 11.1 lipo 30c ,13:1 and 1.2 joule ?!?!how you would do the sortstroking technic in this setup?!?3-4 teeth from front!?!or 2 teeth from front and 2 teeth from back?!?and what power spring would work the best?!
It all depends on the rate of fire you are going for. How many rounds per second are you targeting? I find 35 rps is the easiest to work with and a good middle ground.
Hey man how would a brushless do in a stock gun with 18:1? I’m thinking of throwing one in a lct ak. Would this be an appropriate alternative to a mosfet, zci motor and 13:1 gear? My main priority is a reliable gun for milsim west, so I’m trying to mess with it as little as possible.
If you want to keep it reliable. I suggest getting the T238 33k short type. Should land you about 26 rps if your shooting for 1.5J on whatever weight bb you use. Anymore than rps the build will require short stroking and/or stronger to prevent pme. 39k would send it over 30rps and risk of failure is higher.
I have an older Classic army CA-25 i just recently decided to upgrade, would i be able to plug and play with this motor and upgrade the battery to 11.1v lipo? Or would i have to replace the gearbox and trigger system i believe its a full metal v2.
If its a 19 tooth piston inside that rifle. Then I recommend against even a 11.1v lipo as the long stroke of those pistons can get damaged unless you put a stronger spring in to prevent it from happening.
Would this work with a 13:1 gears, m120 spring and 11.1v lipo? And which rpm setup would work best for fast trigger response build (I don't care about RoF at all)
thanks for your videos , i always watch relative material before i proceed to a certain upgrade. ..... and now i have a very serious question , i got myself a brushless warhead motor (the BASE model) , i realize these motors have ACTICE BRAKE intergated inside , so if gun has electronic trigger unit with active brake by default (like ARES/ICS/etc) that can NOT be disengaged like after market titans or jefftrons active brakes can be turned off , will there be a problem with both active brakes engaged simultaneously? Will it work smoothly or i will run into problems?
You risk the chance of ruining the brushless motor. I personally wouldnt try it until you get either a mosfet with no active braking OR an electronic trigger unit that you can turn it off. Though Id recommend the perun v2 hybrid and ran the active braking on setting 3 with no issues on many builds.
@@wyshtechairsoft not that easy , its an amoeba AM015 which has the factory EFCS system , to replace it i think magnetic gears have to come of too , right?
@ZEFOS1100XX I have been able to use a warhead motor on the EFCS system. You can either cut out the magnet from the old sector gear, buy ares magnet kit from evike.com, or reuse the sector gear. Though because of ARES and any other rifle that uses the EFCS system I never recommend the brands due to being proprietary. The unit's themselves are unreliable and cant handle much loads. Especially if the gun is upgraded. I personally hate ARES products because they're garbage internals. Cyma, Specna Arms, Double Bell, Double Eagle, and Lancer Tactical are the best starter guns and very "upgrade friendly" unlike ARES products.
@@wyshtechairsoft hahahaha on the contrary i love amoebas , i own 4 of them , using them for 3 years and never had issues , i actually own lots of replicas and i will agree on CYMA , affordable very reliable and upgrade friendly , just love cymas
That depends on your spring tension, gear ratio, and the speed of the motor. Anything over 25rps regardless of spring tension, always short stroke to avoid piston PME.
Id at least change out the gears and short stroke by 1 tooth on the release side. Rocket gears are only $24 on my website so why not put something stronger in your rifle? Dont trust those MIM gears to hold up.
Just installed in my rifle and fps droped. What is the problem in there? Motor 33K / aster mosfer (active brake 0%) / standard krytac gear ratio. Thank for all thoughts.
@@wyshtechairsoft No other changes. 330 on 0.32, with regular motor and 270 with brushless. Btw I decreased speed directly on the motor and fps is back to 330 but rof is 17. When I did motor speed higher fps went down. My target is to achieve 330fps/0.32g with 30rps.
@hiddenhand7659 that my friend is tappet plate timing issue. Only way to truely fix it is to short stroke the sector gear on the release by 1 or 2 teeth. See, the rifle was cycling so fast that the tappet plate was getting pulled back before the piston finishes it's stroke. Slowing it down fixes this because it gives the piston more time to finish its stroke. Faster the cycle, the faster the piston needs to finish it's stroke.
On what gear ration did u achieve that 27 rps ? , i have a fully upgraded titan build with bearings and fps softair compresion, but with 18:1 gear ratio, will the 39k version be to much for it ?
If you're planning on going over 25rps at 1.5J. Then you definitely want to short stroke to avoid pme. Remove 1 off pickup side and 2 off the release side.
Already have in a UA-cam short. In the video it covers the only things that are different in installing the Perun V2 Hybrid in a KWA 2.5+ gearbox. Here is the direct link. ua-cam.com/users/shortsGRXMpAQP1nA?feature=share
Warhead is probably bad. Ive had a few go bad on me for no reason and sent them in to warhead for repairs. Just email them and let them know your motor doesnt work.
@wyshtechairsoft what brushless motor do you use for the perun? T238? 13/1 full stroke, 3/4 port, m125(1.45j) for use with a 7.4 li-on titan for a slim stock. I might short stroke 1 tooth if I decide to use a 11.1 titan with a thick stock
I prefer the T238 motor over the warhead. Better semi-auto response due to the faster startup response of the motor. Also, a 11.1 lipo would give you even better semi auto response and rps than that 11.1 titan. Titan batteries are poor performance batteries due to being Li-Ion. Also, short stroke 3 teeth on the release side for pme prevention and to correct tappet timing since you want to run 1.45J. Otherwise, you'll run into PME and ruin your internals.
Great video! Just getting into airsoft so I was hoping you could help me a bit. When you talk about removing teeth, do you mean from the gear or the piston? What speed motor would you recommend to get about 25-30 RPS? Have a perun mosfet and was given a set of 13:1 gears. Have a 7.4 lipo but was considering upgrading to a 11.1 if I can find one to fit. Thank for your help and keep making these videos!
These a great questions! To better help you with your questions. Hop over to my bio and join the Wyshtech Discord! Copy and paste your questions over in the #airsoft-tech-help channel. Thanks for watching and your kind words dude!
Hey im wondering what gearset were you using? and also what spring were you using in this video?
18:1 ratio ss 2 teeth and matrix m120 spring (under rated of its actual spring tension)
you should compare it to the warhead brushless motor
Not a bad idea!
@@wyshtechairsoft yes please make a comparison
saw an amp draw test, warhead was wayyyy lower, lower resistance by a long shot, don't see much comparison
@@hithereperson8137 warheads have single fire lag
Yep, which is one of few reasons why I recommend t238 over warhead.
How can do this motor work properly with 11.1 lipo 30c ,13:1 and 1.2 joule ?!?!how you would do the sortstroking technic in this setup?!?3-4 teeth from front!?!or 2 teeth from front and 2 teeth from back?!?and what power spring would work the best?!
It all depends on the rate of fire you are going for. How many rounds per second are you targeting? I find 35 rps is the easiest to work with and a good middle ground.
Hey man how would a brushless do in a stock gun with 18:1? I’m thinking of throwing one in a lct ak. Would this be an appropriate alternative to a mosfet, zci motor and 13:1 gear? My main priority is a reliable gun for milsim west, so I’m trying to mess with it as little as possible.
If you want to keep it reliable. I suggest getting the T238 33k short type. Should land you about 26 rps if your shooting for 1.5J on whatever weight bb you use. Anymore than rps the build will require short stroking and/or stronger to prevent pme. 39k would send it over 30rps and risk of failure is higher.
Do you know if this motor works with a gate aster? I see they have a brushless motor mode in the settings.
Works just fine. Make sure to fully update your aster before use.
I have an older Classic army CA-25 i just recently decided to upgrade, would i be able to plug and play with this motor and upgrade the battery to 11.1v lipo? Or would i have to replace the gearbox and trigger system i believe its a full metal v2.
If its a 19 tooth piston inside that rifle. Then I recommend against even a 11.1v lipo as the long stroke of those pistons can get damaged unless you put a stronger spring in to prevent it from happening.
Would this work with a 13:1 gears, m120 spring and 11.1v lipo? And which rpm setup would work best for fast trigger response build (I don't care about RoF at all)
Yes but you'll need to short stroke to 12 tooth as it will cycle roughly 35rps. 39k gets 40 to 45rps.
thanks for your videos , i always watch relative material before i proceed to a certain upgrade. ..... and now i have a very serious question , i got myself a brushless warhead motor (the BASE model) , i realize these motors have ACTICE BRAKE intergated inside , so if gun has electronic trigger unit with active brake by default (like ARES/ICS/etc) that can NOT be disengaged like after market titans or jefftrons active brakes can be turned off , will there be a problem with both active brakes engaged simultaneously? Will it work smoothly or i will run into problems?
You risk the chance of ruining the brushless motor. I personally wouldnt try it until you get either a mosfet with no active braking OR an electronic trigger unit that you can turn it off. Though Id recommend the perun v2 hybrid and ran the active braking on setting 3 with no issues on many builds.
@@wyshtechairsoft not that easy , its an amoeba AM015 which has the factory EFCS system , to replace it i think magnetic gears have to come of too , right?
@ZEFOS1100XX I have been able to use a warhead motor on the EFCS system. You can either cut out the magnet from the old sector gear, buy ares magnet kit from evike.com, or reuse the sector gear. Though because of ARES and any other rifle that uses the EFCS system I never recommend the brands due to being proprietary. The unit's themselves are unreliable and cant handle much loads. Especially if the gun is upgraded. I personally hate ARES products because they're garbage internals. Cyma, Specna Arms, Double Bell, Double Eagle, and Lancer Tactical are the best starter guns and very "upgrade friendly" unlike ARES products.
@@wyshtechairsoft hahahaha on the contrary i love amoebas , i own 4 of them , using them for 3 years and never had issues , i actually own lots of replicas and i will agree on CYMA , affordable very reliable and upgrade friendly , just love cymas
I have a Orion gearbox , good shim job , will i need make the short stroke instantly or holds few months?
That depends on your spring tension, gear ratio, and the speed of the motor. Anything over 25rps regardless of spring tension, always short stroke to avoid piston PME.
@@wyshtechairsoft I always play on single fire , my gearbox its a Orion , 18:1 gears , shimmed , and the spring its a ASG m125 ( orange )
Id at least change out the gears and short stroke by 1 tooth on the release side. Rocket gears are only $24 on my website so why not put something stronger in your rifle? Dont trust those MIM gears to hold up.
I want to put it in a stock arcturus ak-06 nd run a 7.4. Would there be any issues other than shimming and such?
Does it have a mosfet in it?
@@wyshtechairsoft no it does not
@wote2760 Okay, you should be fine with using the brushless motor.
Just installed in my rifle and fps droped. What is the problem in there? Motor 33K / aster mosfer (active brake 0%) / standard krytac gear ratio.
Thank for all thoughts.
What was the fps on .20g bbs initially? Was the motor the only thing you changed?
@@wyshtechairsoft No other changes. 330 on 0.32, with regular motor and 270 with brushless. Btw I decreased speed directly on the motor and fps is back to 330 but rof is 17. When I did motor speed higher fps went down. My target is to achieve 330fps/0.32g with 30rps.
@hiddenhand7659 that my friend is tappet plate timing issue. Only way to truely fix it is to short stroke the sector gear on the release by 1 or 2 teeth. See, the rifle was cycling so fast that the tappet plate was getting pulled back before the piston finishes it's stroke. Slowing it down fixes this because it gives the piston more time to finish its stroke. Faster the cycle, the faster the piston needs to finish it's stroke.
You can also put a stronger spring in but the stock piston probably won't hold for long.
@@wyshtechairsoft right. But it'll increase my fps. It's gonna be over limits.
Does this motor works with perun hybrid v2?
Yes, just dont run the active braking setting more than 3.
@@wyshtechairsoft Great. Can you use ROF reduction too?
Definitely dont use that, but there is a dial on the motor itself that allows you to slow down the motor speed and, therefore, reduce your ROF
@@wyshtechairsoft alright
On what gear ration did u achieve that 27 rps ? , i have a fully upgraded titan build with bearings and fps softair compresion, but with 18:1 gear ratio, will the 39k version be to much for it ?
Just depends on the spring. Though a 39k will get you about 30 to 35rps. 33k would get you that 27 rps. If you go over 25rps, definitely short stroke.
@@wyshtechairsoft m120, 1.5j on 0.3, is short stroking a must ? And how do i know how many teeth should i remove ?
If you're planning on going over 25rps at 1.5J. Then you definitely want to short stroke to avoid pme. Remove 1 off pickup side and 2 off the release side.
Can it pull sp 150 spring?
Definately. Ive had it pull a m170 no problem.
when are you going to drop the perun install tutorial for the kwa 2.5 gearbox?
Already have in a UA-cam short. In the video it covers the only things that are different in installing the Perun V2 Hybrid in a KWA 2.5+ gearbox. Here is the direct link. ua-cam.com/users/shortsGRXMpAQP1nA?feature=share
Is that the ronin ? I have a kwa am working on for a buddy and the gear box is slightly different from a normal v2
@@darylobey8867 It is in a Specna Arms M4 in this video.
@@darylobey8867 i believe almost all new kwa replicas come with a v2.5 gearbox its basically their spin on the v2 gearbox with their additives
I have a war head motor but it won't work with my perun hybrid
Warhead is probably bad. Ive had a few go bad on me for no reason and sent them in to warhead for repairs. Just email them and let them know your motor doesnt work.
@wyshtechairsoft they just sent it back to me, it was shorted out. Do I have to turn active breaking off?
With the Hybrid, setting 3 is what I always run.
@wyshtechairsoft what brushless motor do you use for the perun? T238?
13/1 full stroke, 3/4 port, m125(1.45j) for use with a 7.4 li-on titan for a slim stock.
I might short stroke 1 tooth if I decide to use a 11.1 titan with a thick stock
I prefer the T238 motor over the warhead. Better semi-auto response due to the faster startup response of the motor. Also, a 11.1 lipo would give you even better semi auto response and rps than that 11.1 titan. Titan batteries are poor performance batteries due to being Li-Ion. Also, short stroke 3 teeth on the release side for pme prevention and to correct tappet timing since you want to run 1.45J. Otherwise, you'll run into PME and ruin your internals.
Meanwhile, in insanity land...
40amp draws to pull a MS210 SP 5 teeth. 😅 (Rocket Brushless 2023)
Dsg?
@@wyshtechairsoft
DSG,
Modify Jcaged bearings and lubed with Krytox 205g0 (light application)