They are going to regret making this character considering that it will already be harder to get people to play tank than any other role, making a character that exists to shit on the role that nobody wants to play is crazy
@@EvilMagnitude I think that is overexaggerating the effect Wolvie has. Dive characters are built to take down squishies, which accounts for almost 2/3 of the cast and yet there's barely any issue. Plus, hero shooters as a whole are built on countering various setups. Not allowing any characters to be built towards taking down tanks would simply be improper game design.
He’s extremely mid as a tank counter. Hela, Hawkeye, storm, even magik, they all do better against tank than wolverine. Wolverine struggles even in 1v1’s
@@MxThicc that's exactly what we are wondering cuz it makes no sense to just say in your comment what he already said in the video unless u didn't watch it
Props to TeamCaptain for showing everyone what a menace wolverine is. Man has been using Wolverine to traumatize tanks into changing their tierlists XD
not amazing if he gets nerfed next season, I worry that everyone's happily hyping up Wolverine is just gonna end up getting him nerfed instead of a buff. Because he is still ass 1v1 other DPS.
Which is crazy, I said he was the best tank in the game day one, just set up all my key binds for every hero as soon as I got into the game and had 1 game, and just looking at his kit I could tell he has the best tank ultity, how do you look at a team wide zarya bubble onna winston with unlimited leaps, an ult that is winston with a 2 shot added in, a stun and reins ult charge building fire strike? Immediately started trying to master him, especially when I seen that 4 star rating, after seeing that I knew everyone was just bad at him, if the devs rated him as a 1 star and everyone thought he was dog water than sure, but the devs put that 4 star there for a reason, hell he maybe is deserving of a 5 lol
@sledge7106 she is? Have you not played peni? She's definitely the second most skillful tank, just because you can't play Spiderman into her and just run at the enemy backline does not mean she's easy, if anyone even begins to shoot at the nest, your entire gameplay loops gone which means a peni needs to play goalie for that thing, it's all about pre setting up your nest and building it out, it's an incredibly unique and cool playstyle that when compared to being a shield bot like strange or mag or a dive bot that can't die unless cc'd at the right time like venom is just way more difficult. I think people just see bunker style hero with deployables and assumes they're brain dead because of overwatch but overwatch does sustain and bunker style heros so terribly, it's why dive is the funnest in ow but also the modt miserable because the bunker and anti dive stuff is all brain dead boring slop lol Meanwhile mr has storm, namore, loki and peni, some of the best hero shooter designs I've ever seen.
@@shawngorski9714 i was kidding since she's so easy to play lmfao. Witch was also 4 stars before they changed her to 1 star, doesn't always mean they're hard to play
I'd say Star-Lord is Meta. Don't underestimate the DPS of a Star-Lord with a full mag, 2 flips, full boost and his barrage is online. The backline gets burst down so quickly that no one can really counter it. He's a deadly annoyance that can dodge and weave all your attacks and wittle you down, or chase after a kill to make sure it doesn't get away. Don't even mention the sheer dominance that is Star-Lord Ultimate. If your tracking and movement are good then Star-Lord will be your best hero by a mile.
As a strat main, ( Mantis + C&D mostly ) I ALWAYS back up whenever I hear his character ulting because there is no way I'm going to survive that close because Star hits anyone immediately close range. Even IF I run, this guy is flying around spinning and whenever I'm Mantis.. If I miss that sleep ability I AM A GONER. His ult is like Storm where you don't think much about it UNTIL you're right beside them. So I remind my teammates not to feed into their ult.
No still Psylock, Star lord needs Adam, Adam needs mantis. Psylock doesn't need Magik put simply one team member unreliant on bans and three team members praying one of three characters don't get banned is bad. Although as a loki I will gladly take Star lords ult over Psylock depending on the enemy strategist.
Yes! Thor 1 v 1 any other tank. Thor wins, he's got the highest damage output of any tank. But he's kind of a glass cannon tank cause he has the lowest health by far. But I agree his ult sucks. He's very close to perfectly balanced tho. Needs a small health boost and a ult buff
@mattetheridge8459 honestly I don't mind the ult I don't really use it to much and thanks to his shield charge stacking damage is so easy since if you charge that before you go in the enemies only snit bits part of your health before you can charge your shield making you incredibly hard to kill If you want to use the uti do it as a surprise attack kind of like a bundle charge wait for everyone to be bundled slam it down then use your electric shield as a first shield charge then aim for the people with the least health left then throw for a second shield charge Should be a good enough distraction for everyone to want and try and target you letting your team fall in with no eyes on them leaving the enemy open Or wait till there close to there end then use it when you see one of there teammates it will kill them and damage the other teammate leaving them open to getting swarmed This has happened so many times it's starting to feel like thor is just the strongest in the game but that's mainly because people don't understand how he works
@voladile a little but I think that depends on how you play the character the hammer reload thor force does feel a bit off but is a really good way to balance him out personally
@@voladile the cooldowns and thorforce are actually pretty smart. If the cooldowns were any lower, he would never die because he'd have insane overheal up time. Its really just his ult that needs a change. I think he should become unstoppable for the duration and get a 200hp overheal then once he hits ground he leaves a aoe on the ground that lingers for 2/3 seconds slowing enemies and doing like 30 tick damage or something. He's gonna be a tricky one to buff because he already has great damage and can isolate strategists very well. Maining him atm and finding it very fun just the ult needs a touch up, even just the unstoppable would be great.
Spiderman is the Genji of this game. Part of his value comes from getting 20% ult webswing uppercutting through the enemy team, killing someone every now and then, and then thwip to the backline and press q to bait out support Ults, rinse repeat
Adam Warlock: Insane shift that counters huge ultimates. Clutch AoE healing. Enough damage to 1v1 dualists. Game changing mass rez ult. Cpt America: Runs around and does nothing Bogur: Put these guys in the same tier
I'd rather have a Loki pressing shift than an Adam tbh and Adams revive can be really clutch but at the same time Mantis/Luna/C&D prevents those deaths from happening and giving extra energy to the enemy team I think like Bogur mentioned that Adam is crazy on defense but outside that he's a bit lackluster compared to the meta picks
the 2 characters people were most wrong about (granted it was before we knew hero bans were a thing) were wolverine and iron man. im calling the next 1. Adam Warlock. that guy is way more cracked than people realize. especially once people start to understand the Shift ability. he basically has 2 ults.
bro adam warlocks soul bond is so insane legit, it allows you to survive nearly any ult in the game thats not iron mans or scarlet witches basically no problem
@danielw8776 Hulk is good through association. Dr strange and Iron man become incredible (pun intended) With him on the team. Without them tho? He's at max a tier
Yeah i think he just forgot lmao. I can see why he is where he is though. I onetricked him to diamond and im still climbing with him. He is a really good defensive tank who can be a good one tank if played right as well as a really good support tank. But he his def held back by complete lack of mobility and his range isnt the best without using the scarlet witch team up. The team up i think makes him S tier but then u have to also have a scarlet witch on ur team lmao and she is just not the a good dps at all espec in high ranks.
@@dyn7006I feel the same way about Magneto I’ve been mailing him due to other people just not taking tank and he’s real good at being a single tank and most of the time my duo is either on scarlet witch or support
@@dyn7006I'm gm playing a lot of neto, some hulk, strange, and loki. I honestly think neto is a better off tank than a main tank. He is really good at forcing himself into enemy space and his damage can be really opressive if you hit your shots. Strange is def more of a main tank
@@NoodleTactics Yeah I can see that. I think he as good one tank potential but he performs better as an off tank just cuz his bubbles compliment other tanks so well
@@NinjapowerMS because they are broken asf, if those 3 dont get nerfed i swear
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@@NinjapowerMSMantis(sleep is too easy to land for how long it lasts) Jeff(ult covers the entire objective on most maps and the vertical hitbox is stupidly high) Winter Soldier(Cooldowns are a little too frequent) and Psylocke(burst combo is wayyy too fast and should require another m1 or melee if they don’t wanna slow the animation cancels) are all a little oppressive too tbf.
I'm a Cloak & Dagger main, and I can assure you that even though they don't bring the healing or damage potential other supports do, their utility is unmatched. Being able to heal the frontline or flanking duelists from a far and/or behind cover is amazing, being able to boost healing on ally tanks is goated, and of course... Being able to shroud your team to avoid the most annoying ultimates, like Jeff's, Ironman's, Scarlet's or Magneto's, is the best thing a support can bring to your team. Yea, reviving teammates with Adam Warlock is fine, but VERY situational and honestly hard to pull off correctly, without even mentioning you can only do that as his ultimate. C&D is a super underrated hero and more people should take the time to learn their kit and properly support their team!
lol this reeks of those "i know ill get downvoted" reddit comments then proceed to say the most normal take ever. those 2 r super popular picks, they arent slept on, dont worry
Most random teammates I get always cry about how bad C&D is and ask me to change, and proceed to insult me when I refuse... For some reason they don't see what this hero brings to the table, and of course they don't say anything after we finish the game with 30k+ healing...
@@DisGuyLolz that's true for me as well, just means we truly focus on supporting the team. Dagger is the healer that recovers the least amount of HP per shot, so you rely on hitting your tanks with your shield (E) and using your bubble efficiently to maximize your healing potential.
in almost every tornament game the teams were running Adam + mantis as their healers. So adam is def meta with teamup. Also another interesting thing about the tornaments is that penny + venom was a popular tank combo on point hold maps.
Just watched a video of a max ranked Storm being a true menace. People say she is bad because they don't use her properly(flying up high is not how you use her)
Exactly she is kinda op cause she does a lot of support. Damage boost, people say speed boost doesn’t help but I’ve sped people out of psylocke ult before, anti dive, pierce and a great ultimate. Her only downfall is that she is reliant on her teammates to push with her. But good thing marvel rivals is a team game.
Yesterday I played against a party of 3 who were playing the most busted anti-tank comp. They had Wolverine, Winter Soldier, and Thor. They would coordinate together to basically kidnap me (I was Peni) from my team and take me across the map to their team using Thor's push, Winter Soldier's hook & push, and Wolverine's grab. This was by far the most annoying experience I had as a tank! Ofc it's counterable by good teammates, but I felt so helpless as I was getting dragged across the map to my impending doom! lol
@@thewalnut4017 because I don't play any other tanks, and because despite what was happening I was still the only one getting any kills on my team. It was just a bad match against a good organized party, that's all.
@@thewalnut4017 also keep in mind that Peni is one of the best counters to both Wolverine and Thor in a balanced match. If I place 3 mines under me, the wolverine would die the moment he tried to grab me. Thor needs more mines to kill, but is very easy to stun with Peni's net and it can cancel his SHIFT ability mid flight. Their comp would be far more stronger against a hero like Dr Strange.
Good to see players I’ve been playing since the beginning are up there: Iron Man, Groot, Namor, Loki, Black Panther. Been rocking with Luna lately. Loki might be my most fun character though. I can heal the whole team from far away & still do damage. Plus his Ult is FIRE!
Magik take is really good actually. I know a lot of people think she’s high A but I think that hitting combos in the game and getting the “1 shots” is too difficult in heat of battle. While she has good animation cancels when you’re out of them her attack speed is really low. And the biggest deterrent to a melee character? Range. Run away and shoot and use movement. I think she’s overrated
Apparently FPS affects movement/abilities such as characters like Strange's fly, Wolverine he swings faster, Star Lord he reloads faster/in ult too, Venom and Spidey get a longer radius to turn while wall running, while running on lower FPS, Magik gets more distance on her uppercut and so much more that needs tested
@ep69420 its a new and upcoming thing, they'll probably catch on in about under a week
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@@Rocky_Module yeah super disappointed with how poorly implemented this game turned out to be. Strange portals gimping fps in a game where you do less damage if your frames drop is insane Truly how do you create something like this
The thing with Cloak and Dagger is that when you cloak people they are intangible but if they shoot or reload or do anything like that, they get out of the cloak and most people don't know that even in high ELO so the cloak doesn't help the team just yourself pretty much always. But once people understand that pretty much half of the alts in the game, you can counter for your entire team
Thanks for letting me know about this because I switched from Mantis to C&D because no one helps me peel divers and I'm sick and tired of playing "Meta Support Mantis" to players who can't aim and constantly complain about heals when I just used my life orbs to boost them. ( I have 4.5k assists on Mantis and like 1.3k assists on C&D )
I dont think mantis is the best healer. She just seems so ez to kill if their entire team isnt protecting her. on cnd ive played games where very good backliners chase me all game and I 1v1 them and just survive forever, ive had people switch from panther, hunt me all game, then they try wolverine, i run, they try magic, i run, then they message me and say how mad they are at all the shit I do to survive. blind them, run around pillar, use the jump pad, they get on you, right click heal up while chipping on them, cloak and dodge when they got los back on you again, you can just continuously use these 3 cooldowns while circling around pillar and using jump pads. I think cnd is just better. her healing is always the highest, also and you will never ever miss a clutch heal on your team mates who are in the air like spider, venom, ironman ect. But I guess too many high elo games teams focus so much on mantis ults for progress I suppose. But for solo que I really dont see a better healer than cnd plus you dont have to sweat or aim the experience is far more enjoyable and she is always just the best pick for me. I also think he rated shark a bit low as well.
I love how Wolverine went from being "The worse character and deserves his own tier at the bottom" to "The best character and deserves his own tier at the top"
@@zzodysseuszz Yeah you haven't seen competent Wolverine then. He is, as far as I see, the only one that can instant-kill the main tank without using ult. People keep calling Hela and Hawkeye better anti-tank because they can 2 shot them, but if Hawkeye tap to the tank, the tank would immediately be healed to full by support, so it's never that easy. But Wolverine can separate the tank from the team and proceed to 1 shot them even without the help of others, and the team just can't react other than just trying to kill him. That's why he is scary. He is totally very clunky to play though, his dash hitbox is really weird. But calling him trash is weird now with all the mounting evidence of how good he can be in competitive scene
@@anhkhoanguyen8562 True but that's the only part that he's better than those characters. he still sucks into most dps and supports. He's like A tier if we're being real.
As someone who's won like 70% of their matches playing Penny and climbing to Diamond 3 in a week, I feel like people really underestimate her potential, and how to play her at all. One, her web grappling hook ability has a 3 second cooldown, allowing her to be the first person on the objective at the start of a round, or getting back from spawn immensely faster than other characters. She can get back into a fight in like 15 seconds or less, including the respawn timer. It's kind of buggy though if you use it at extreme angles though, where it just won't pull you. If it's close to 180 degrees, like aiming at the ground at max range, it'll just bug out. Jumping before you grapple can help to reduce that angle. Two, her primary fire is kind of like a shotgun in regards to spread at close range, so if you can track super well against diving enemies, you can deal consistent damage. You also have infinite ammo, enabling constant suppressive fire. Accuracy stat be damned, KEEP SHOOTING. Three, don't use her mines like traps. That's literally the worst value you can get out of them. An ability that rarely gets used is effectively an ability that doesn't get used at all. Literally just throw them in the middle of a fire fight. Did that all the time with Junkrat, and it was vastly more consistent and of better value. Just thing of them as delayed grenades. They deal 100 damage, take 4s to recharge apiece, and you can have 4 at a time, and take about a second to detonate. Don't even be concerned with them getting used, just spam the damn things when you see people grouping up or where you expect foot traffic. And the whole "you can hide her mines in her web" thing, literally don't ever do that. Total waste of time. Just throwsthose frisbees at the enemy. Four, her snare is on a 3 second cooldown, and has a massive hitbox at close range. It can also interrupt numerous ultimates, and can even BLOCK iron man ult (and I managed to finally pull that off last night). The snare is just plain oppressive against tanks as well with how big they are, even Strange. If you have a feel for how long Strange keeps his shield up, and you can fairly successfully snare him immediately after he drops shield or when he's trying to weave attacks in between. It has all of a 3 second cooldown, so use it liberally, but still keep in mind how players are moving so you could interrupt an ult and such. Five, her little station should be close by, but at a hard enough angle for the enemy to aim at (like it would expose them too much to try to shoot it). It spawns teeny like spiders that chase and explode on targets for 40 damage apiece, and they will only crawl on webs, which includes webs from your grapple, snare, and ultimate (so make 2 webs into a path to extend it's range a bit, since you can only have 3 at a time and just occasionally repair the path). Don't be super attached to it though, as it does help with healing and movement speed bonus, but it's far from the end of the world if it goes down. You can also press shift again to despawn it and immediately replace/move it if it was full health, and I think the cooldown scales with how much health it had remaining, so if it's likely to be destroyed, you can despawn it for a shorter cooldown. Cooldown might also depend on if was recently damaged at all, regardless of amount. Six, her ultimate certainly isn't great, but she can chuck 7 or more mines in the same manner she normally does. Point where you want them to go. You can literally make a given area into a minefield. You can cover an entire objective or payload, and the mines persist after the ultimate stops (the webs vanish though). Her melee during the ult is... something you can use if someone is really low on health... I guess. The mines are 95% of the worth of her ult. It can be used for pushes too, because it's a mine field that you can spread out however you want. You can throw it straight into their backline if you want to. I often just zerg rush right in, and right out to get enemy attention away from my team, while placing my mines on the objective, and immediately regroup with my team who have probably moved forward and gotten a kill during that. You don't want to get cc'd during this, and you don't want to mingle in the enemy backline (they might even use cooldowns expecting something from you rushing in). Get in, place, get out, regroup, then start shooting, throwing more mines, snaring, etc. It can be a bit of a "delayed gratification" of an ult. If the sight line is ideal, you may not even have to dive in to place mines. Being a bunker/area denial/area lockdown character who can relentlessly snare and deal damage at a distance, even on attack she can quickly move up the frontline and make huge space for the payload to move, particularly after a teamwipe. You can cross the distance and move your whole setup in less than 5 seconds. You can be a total menace and I quickly find myself getting focused hard by the enemy team for it. Play glued to cover too. You're a big tank with no shield and your movement isn't as convenient as other characters. Constant outgoing damage, suppressive fire, frisbee mines directly at the enemy, snaring every few seconds, super quick to traverse distances or height, moderate self healing, glue yourself to cover, rapidly move your station and setup, blanket and entire objective in a minefield that persists, DO NOT DIVE unless you're ulting (but still don't hang around, and largely ignore dealing melee), etc. She's a total menace if she has competent supports that can heal her and don't instantly fold to getting dived (and I 90% literally only play tank or support). Be a competent tank who mitigates how much damage you take to make it easier on the supports as well (I get that's not doable as a dive tank though, but you can easily manage it with Penny's playstyle... since you largely should never dive with her).
Thanks for the helpful tips about Penny! She's actually one of my backup tank choices, I had groot first then Peni then venom + strange. Didn't know she had infinite ammo either. I'm going to aim for lord on Tank heros after getting lord on strat heros. ( I've been focusing on practicing on certain ones )
the problem with Peni is that she is pretty much a noob-stomper at low rank due to that people never shoot her station. Same with Jeff, Scarlet Witch, Moon Knights, Namor, people are not familar with the heroes/not skilled enough so they usually get caught in their skills/ult. It's much more difficult to play on high rank though. I do think Peni is great and she may even deserve higher rank in this tier list, but your experience up to diamond with her is really skewed .
@@anhkhoanguyen8562 The overwhelming majority of people though don't die thanks the station though? It's chip damage at most. Most of my kills are with her primary fire and snaring, particularly getting people screwed over out in the open. Mines deal a lot of damage, but they impede pushes more than anything. I can have 50 kills at the end of a match and it generally lists less than 10 thanks to mines. She can also get healing from simply standing in her webs, entirely independently of her station. The only unique thing her station offers, is wide web coverage, and spawning the spider drones. She also spawns those drones directly from her own mech during her ult. The station is part of her kit, and it's not remotely the best part of her kit. I even use it as bait sometimes. I don't know why people regard it as something that fuels her entire playstyle, when it really doesn't. If you play around really strict sight lines and effectively be peaking almost the entire game, the station has less relevance for what it offers. Her value it just plain relentless damage that leaves people vulnerable and snaring that makes it extra so, along with the quickest traversal amongst tanks. You can FINALLY die as Peni... and then show right back up in the same fight before your own team might get wiped. May as well be a zombie you thought died, just to see it moving again literal seconds later. Groot can't do that, along with Thor, Magneto, Venom, Strange (portal doesn't really count, because it's really its own thing and not a movement ability), etc. Most of my kills are well outside the range of her station. The manner in which she would be a noob stomper, is if they just refuse to learn how low the cooldown for her snare is and charge straight at you. Most dive player go straight for supports though.
Theres so much info you guys dont read about in the hero's kits... For starters, as a venom main, did you know his ult damages 50% of a target's HP? He heals for 100% of the damage dealt, so imagine ulting a monster hulk or heroes clustered around a loki rune zone. It will destroy the rune and hurt enemies inside of it. And his shields can stack, you can use his E and ult, and you can gain up to a 2000 shield if done properly. Also, his tentacle grab can go thru your ult as well. So you can grab them ult, bite, then the tendrils will deal damage on top of all that
" did you know his (venom) ult damages 50% of a target's HP? He heals for 100% of the damage dealt, so..." More specifically it does 50% of a heroes CURRENT health, not their max health (plus 40 damage). This ult literally does less damage to low health targets. Its for reasons like this that its pretty bad. Its not good against full health targets because it gives them a lot of time to recover, and its not good against low health targets because it literally does less damage to them. On top of that the range is pretty damn small (7 meters is small for an ult in this game), and he can be physically body blocked. *No one* is afraid of venoms ult- And for good reason(s).
Ive been playing Hulk since the beta. I never understood why people thought he was trash, he was actually even better during the beta. 2-3 broken bubbles (on you or team) meant you got your ult instantly and you were invulnerable during the Hulk grab when ulting. Hulk is goated
Hulk is my favorite tank, but i dont understand why q and right click cd is so long. Like Thor's hammer toss has 2s cd, faster cast and same dmg, not going through targets, but it is rarely problem. And hulk has almost worst self sustain among all tanks, 250 hp shield on 12s cd is not much
Wolverine when played right is meta defining. We have never seen a tank peeler in this game yet. And Wolverine has that agency. Which is what makes him the first meta breaker in Marvel Rivals
I’m glad captain America is slept on. He’s got some of the best mobility in the game. He does a great job of harassing the backline healer while being tanky enough to escape and pairs well with any melee DPS.
Hes my favorite comic character but he's the worst tank in the game by far. He has nothing you wouldn't be better off switching to someone better. He needs a buff of some kind. Little more damage or a stun or something. Since switching to Hulk I'm 3x the threat I was with Cap and that makes me sad.
As someone who plays tank a lot and is able to play Wolverine decently he’s still D tier. You have to do so much more than every other character to get anything done as him. The hit box on his leap is too small to catch anything that’s not a tank. You can miss the leap on someone you’re hitting with the melee combo because of how small it is. Even when you hit the leap he relies heavily on his team for a kill. Hes not horrible but he’s definitely not higher than mid tier
I feel like most of the issues I've seen people have with him or issues I have had with him is when the team doesn't keep him in mind or focus him down when he appears and just lets their tank get shredded.
@@DraconaiiThis stems from most of the playerbase not knowing how to play against him properly/not understanding his kit in general. His effectiveness will go down the more people learn how to play against him.
It depends on rank, Wolverine is game sense dependent. In lower ranks people will constantly make bad decisions and die with him but any Grandmaster DPS main can pick Wolverine and wreck absolute havoc even if they don't know the character that well simply because they have really good game sense. We're seeing it now, now that people found out what his purpose is, you see high rank players switching to him to deal with strong frontliners.
Magik can't afford to lose 15% damage. Her combos requires her to burn all of her cooldowns and if she doesn't secure the kill then she gets killed. Compared her to panther. Panther has more HP, time to kill a squishy is faster and doesn't require every cooldown to do so, and he has better mobility. And panther doesn't currently even have a seasonal buff.buffs. also same goes for psylocke. No seasonal buffs and she's way better. The devs need to ditch this seasonal buffs system and just balance the game first. They need to establish a baseline first.
@Watermelon_Man no he doesn't. Spear dash spear dash kills the squishies. The combo with the 4 moves hits for 250 total and thats not even taking into consideration his passive that deals 20% more damage to targets under 100 hp. So sir, what are YOU talking about? He still has his kick which resets his dash 1 more time left.
I believe captain America is a damage killer. That’s the role I think best suited him. He doesn’t die, you can reflect damage back to dps and get kills that way then move on to healers or vice versa. You can say other flank type characters do that but with his shield most of the time you don’t have to take the initial damage from just getting close to them. He doesn’t do a lot if damage himself for sure but he’ll get a lot of kills for sure. As a character he is not essentially better but he has a role to play. He’s best against a punisher that’s destroying your team.
@I really hope it’s soon. Him, black widow and storm. Honestly in my opinion I don’t think they should touch his damage though. He’s already unkillable most of the time even in comparison to even the other tanks. Add good damage and then he would speed run your damage and healers
Thing with C&D is you pretty much can't miss when you're Dagger. That's why when you finish a match you end with like 95% accuracy. Granted a big portion of that is healing. But I pretty much never have my finger off the left click button playing them. Biggest issue is the split second changeover between Cloak and Dagger. A lot of times by the time you switch the kill opportunity has already passed. So you kinda have to predict when to swap between forms. If you can do that they are pretty nuts.
As a strat main ( Mantis + C&D mostly ) I have Centurion on her with 1.3k assists. I only swap to deplete the life of tanks while being on objective AND getting away by floating + Invis. ( Smart players wait or follow me though ) I don't bother trying to get kos unless if DPS is doing badly and being dived on. ( So as a strategist, I'm helping other supports + DPS from being dived on which is funny ) Dagger has some aim assist or something because of how It can easily track players.
@JJ-zz2ox same as far as heroes. I'm primarily a Mantis and C&D player. Where one doesn't work the other does and now that I'm high enough to hit the hero bans I have a backup in case what I want to play is banned. As for Dagger's daggers lol they will hit their target so long as the little blue indicators are on who you're throwing them at. Basically you just have to have your cross hair in the general direction. So long as their LOS doesn't get broken they will hit their target. I know you've seen them arc to follow a target. And even though they don't do a ton of damage I get a lot of final blows on weak targets with them. It's like a free kill. Personally I usually play fairly close to my tank so long as it's like a Strange or Magneto. They offer enough protection that you can really hammer down on the damage from behind them. Whereas Mantis I always play at a pretty hard off angle so long as my sleep is up. So far this has helped me climb to high Diamond. Can't seem to get over that hump past Diamond. Maybe it's just where my skill tapers off 🤷♂️ I guess that would make sense since I am hard stuck Masters in Overwatch
Tier lists aren’t meant to be made every couple weeks, especially when there haven’t been significant patches… that’s why ppl’s “opinions keep flipping.” They’re going too fast.
@@sankyuubigan long story short, 3 tanks and 3 healers that make sure they cant die, lead to really long and boring games wolverine's entire gimmick is tank-killing, which means 3 vanguard comps crumble with him around
I was waiting for someone to say this. Even if Iron Fist doesn’t get kills, his backline disruption and ability to sustain himself without the need for healers is elite. He’s still not top tier, but he’s definitely in decent tier.
As a Peni Main. I play her as the ‘chip damage so others can one shot them’ character. She’s very much the type of character to slowly take ground and hold the ground you have.
i think most ppl (especially in lower ranks) are so bad at playing loki bc they don’t understand that his clone placement literally makes or breaks the game. i had a loki on my team once who didn’t understand this and just had all the clones bunched up and lined up all the way in the back line far away from the rest of the team like…. how are we supposed to get into the healing field be fr 😭☠️ loki clones should be scattered throughout the area to maximize healing and damage 😭
People are sleeping on Iron Fist. He does stomp noob lobbies, yes. However, he doesn’t fall off into irrelevance at higher ranks. Samito is proof of that. He just got to eternal on solo iron fist with a high win rate on an alt account. He just takes good decision making and game awareness at higher ranks instead of being able to just w key in silver lobbies.
Currently, im Lord level as Iron fist and soloing as him in platinum rank is a nightmare if your team isnt good. But with the right team he is extremely good.
As a low level gamer, I really enjoy cap. A lot of mobility and shield that regens at a decent rate. I often divebomb and end up baiting most of a team off an objective or chokepoint.
16:15 been playing magik and shes kinda rough, so many heroes just dont let you play. She is so fun when she works though. Imo they should give her 300 hp tho
It's her ult, honestly. Magik's ult feels like it got the shortest end of the stick alongside Venom. She gets no defensive bonuses, she can't one shot in it, and she can die so easily in her ult. Plus the transformation in and out of ult leaves her vulnerable for two whole seconds.
@@cosmicfox5671I’ve one tricked magik to gm and her main issues are her E hit box, it’s WAY too inconsistent, sometimes you just go right through people and don’t get a hit, sometimes it connects but you don’t get an uppercut. It’s the difference between winning and losing a 1v1 so the bad hit box really cucks you. Also the transform time on her ult and long animation time at the end of her ult is terrible. I think her dash cd could also be reduced by 2 seconds, these 3 changes would bump her up to very strong
@@MolezHDthey really should find a good spot in the middle of Magik and Spiderman's knock ups.. on one hand Magiks is hard to hit but on the other.. Spiderman can land his while not even looking at you. Lol
We'll see Iron Fist jumping tiers when people find out how easily you can counter Ironman with him. Same thing with what happened with Wolverine. Enemy picks the holy trinity? Just make Ironman go afk in 2 minutes with Iron Fist.
Not really. This list is similar to a lot of other UA-camrs. The meta hasn't shifted much and it's a team shooter, comps matter more than just individual strengths so it's rather pointless to make anymore tier lists unless there's a patch that significantly buffs and debuffs characters.
I feel Black Widow is underutilized and over shadowed by Hela and Hawkeye. She can't one shot, nor should she. Her headshots put enemies at chip damage range, which reminder, this is a team game. You can find some chip damage. If you land a headshot on someone mid fight, they're just dead. Her mobility is fantastic, allowing her to take angles easily. Her kick needs a hitbox buff, but otherwise it's good. Also the stun on the grapple is godlike. Her Ult is actually useful. It lasts for ages, the pool is gigantic, and it slows people to a crawl. Fire her ult at a contested objective or a choke point and watch their team get melted. Or fire it at the healers and rack up free headshots on them. Most of the roster is melee characters. So her ult drags people to a crawl, which is a death sentence to melee fights. People can use their mobility options to escape, but it can render a payload uncontestable. I believe the highest ranked player, on PC actually, is a Black Widow main. Watching her gameplay, she's oppressive as hell to fight. As for console, a half decent Black Widow counters out the big issue characters and can turn a brawl into a clean up.
Yeah Black Widow’s biggest flaw is that Hawkeye and Hela are cheap and broken, with her second biggest flaw just being a lack of abilities. As far as sniper characters go, she perfectly designed for balance.
@Watermelon_Man Right, and her abilities are fine given that she has a no falloff, scoped weapon that can nearly one shot She has a good mobility tool that's not too good She has a kick, needs a bigger hit box, but is otherwise fine And her stun grapple is great (again, the prerequisite kick box needs to be bigger) She's perfectly weak for a character who can be VERY dangerous.
I really hope a lot of people think iron fist is unplayable so they buff him. His kit is insane and if you use it right (flank and stay in air and out of sight)
She's my second main, and agreed. It is pretty true, though. Anything she does, other DPS/Sup just do better. Mantis and C&D provide better utility, Iron Man provides better sustained damage, and her ult is only really good in low elo where no one understands what is going on.
I’m an iron fist Wanda and storm main. I’ve gotten people tilted when the game hasn’t even started. Yet I reached diamond playing those dps and of course also switching other tanks when needed. Also storm ult is pretty up there with other ults I always get at least a kill even if they have Luna and mantis. Good storm players wait out those supports and and then attack. I do agree she needs a bit of a damage buff tho but otherwise people just don’t know how to play her
When a single man changes everyone's opinions on Wolverine to where Wolverine has now ascended and created his own Tier. Also come on man Storm might be boring but she isn't THAT terrible. her left click does need some sort of boost because the falloff damage starting outside of her ring kinda sucks. reduce the drop off or give it a smidge more projectile speed.
@MrSjanten007 I'm not bothered by her movement because the self buff is stronger and I'm fine with learning to play corners. But If you're gonna make me move slow then make me a glass cannon at least
Magik in decent is crazy, I've seen magik be top kills dps and blocked damage altogether many times but she is hard to play effectively and I play on console
Adam warlock a little low imo- his team up is so strong. Along with that he’s a strong healer, his soul bond is strong, and he can put out some good dps. Played a lot in tourneys.
If Punisher is ulting and you're using Cap, run up to him with your shield and the bullets will bounce back and kill him with his own ult before the shield breaks
I really don't think you can make a tierlist if you haven't tried playing all of the characters. Like on paper Cloak and Dagger can do a lot, but they have long ability lockout times that make them very easy to dive. They're situational at best.
I agree that tier lists makes no sense if people haven't played all the characters, especially if their proficiency level is like only "Knight". ( I have lord on Mantis + Centurion on C&D and like knight on some others but I'll catch up ) I disagree with C&D being situational though. You have to KNOW when to switch, you just do. You have to treat it like you're playing two heros at once, the only exception you cannot be both at the same time. ( Except ult because it has both and it heals + harms )
A bubble that passively heals, a like 3 second invulnerability that allows you to reposition, a blind ability, and daggers that AoE heal when they deal damage. You’re only diving on them successfully with Spider-Man or Black Panther AND if they used one of their cooldowns already. Otherwise, you’re just wasting resources on a character that’s not going to die.
This basically what my tier list would be. But I am open to ppl showing me something with Storm. Like I see the potential in her team support but she is so slow and easy to kill. And her auto attacks feel terrible. She has to be close to her team and the enemy which doesn’t happen bc she dies so easily. Her ult is great tho just cast it on Luna or mantis every time
I mean twitch chats are infested with demi humans like this lol, like I thought it's common knowledge that most chats in twitch share the same 1 brain cell with the streamer, and people with decent brain capacity only watch and maybe say one thing or 2 every now and then, like have you ever seen xQc and his chat? Literally all share the 1 singular brain cell and it's made funny to see them numbers, makes me feel good when I'm having a bad day, just seeing that there are people like this out there sitting for hours watching a guy Yap unknown language and have brain farts in chats LMAO
@@NoxHelios The most hilarious part is that your comment is literally as devoid of critical thinking, meaning and intelligence as any chat you claim to be.
@@NoxHelios Well, proof of the lack of critical thinking is the fact that I don't chat much at all. Yet, you can't imagine someone disagreeing with you without being directly attacked. I disagree because of what you said. Not because of who you said it to or about. Time to learn the difference.
Storm has the lovely combo of feeling slow and predictable while flying, even while on max speed boost amped, so you want to play ranged and cover and poke out, EXCEPT SHE HAS DAMAGE FALLOFF FOR SOME UNGODLY REASON, that starts at just 15m and maxes out at 30m.
If I had to guess I would assume because he doesn't have his own escape or peel. I play a lot of Hulk and when I see Adam's I smack my lips bc it's a free meal.
@20:00 Great teir list, Only really disagreeing with the Warlock placement just because he's in like every goddamm game of like every tourney so far. That being said, Psylock isn't invulnerable during ult. When she hits you she appears for a moment, and you can kill her. Obviously it's incredibly difficult, but it's doable!
IMO, there is no actual tier list. Playing Rank/Competitive, I realized that Tank/DPS/Healer characters should be categorized by game mode Convoy/Capture instead of just overall kit of the specific character. What I I'm trying to say is: Take Healing/Support, for example. Luna, Loki, Mantis healing kit and ULTS are more suited for capture modes because players are focused on a stationary objective. Where Adam, Dagger, Rockets'(think how Rockets heals travel) healing are more suited for Convoy where the objective is moving. This same thinking can be applied, especially to tanks.
6:20 News flash: u can use it in the air ( the shield) u just have to tap the button again midair and idk why but its super annoying i hope they make it easier
10:00 You made Groot sound strong, and I agree-I love Groot! He's a solid pick, but his downside is how obvious his defenses can be. Misplaced walls might block your healers or trap your DPS, which can sometimes hurt your team as much as it helps.
First week of playing rank like a week ago, Had a groot block me from entering point because of wall ( Not sure if it was my teammate or enemy but pretty sure it was my teammate ) and I couldn't get in as Mantis. I was stuck being dived on by Hulk + another tank but thankfully I had Q + Kept spamming V ( melee ) to break the wall but couldn't so I tried to slip through this tiny crack on the left. ( Which I managed to do somehow after some time ) I was about to be eliminated if I did not have that Ult ready.. Wish I recorded it as well or went back to replay.
Yah but the thing is that Black Widow isn’t really a “sniper.” She can defend herself in close combat with the right combo; compared to Hawkeye. The Ult of slowing people down on the field is useful in some situations but just not all. If anything, she could be a strategist but just without heal. As a hero, she’s not bad. It depends on who plays her.
@@samuelmartinez6344 " which I disagree." As someone who predominantly plays snipers in games: Snipers are almost always the *worst* designed class/hero/whatever in the game.
@@SidewaysGts agree, ability to oneshot with no counterplay at any distance, except "sniper is not the best", is leads to unplayable state of high skill level games
@@sunset-cityHawkeye doesn't need to combo tho, he's the same as Hanzo where his threat and pressure is the same regardless of distance; he can one shot you whether you're across the map or in his face
Hey Bogur! I think you nailed this tier list this time, But I really think you forgot one of the Current meta characters. You didn't mention Bruce Banner at all, and considering he's Meta right now I feel like that's a big blunder. Again, Great Video and hope you fix this error in the next one!
I remember seeing this tweet about iron fist, jeff and Scarlett being referred as Htler, Stalin and Mussolini and now that everyone knows how to play against them nobody cares about them on high Elo 😂
Magneto ult is easily snuffed out by punisher, star lord ult, doesn’t have enough cast time to fully deal with hela ult, better off playing around cover and using shield and bubble to by time, imo it’s best used countering support ults and dunking on a well timed Jeff ult to save your team or expiring Luna ult never gets old
As a widow main, I can’t help but agree with you. It doesn’t even matter if I get svp or ace, if I’m not SIGNIFICANTLY carrying my team I’m getting flamed.
Swear to god bro watched 4 different tier lists today, if I took a shot every time someone mentioned Necros when they bring up spidey, I'd have taken 4 shots. 100% mention rate whenver spidey comes up. Damn I wanna be like HIM this guys got that DOG in him if everyone is glazing him
I definitely think Storm is misunderstood rn. She's fantastic when played like a lucio, you spam corridors and corners to farm ult charge by flying at the same height as the enemy team always, damage aura helps the team when poking, speed aura helps make rotations, her speed amp is a fantastic tool to catch enemies that have over extended since it also slows by 15% and her ult is a great counter initiate just like lucio, except it does it through killing their backline instead of shielding yours
Nah bro she is a floating gas balloon with wet noodle DMG ( except her ult) they nerfed her support buffs way too much they are irrelevant, I don't see why I would play storm if I could have a mantis that boosts my team better a I be iron man, dealing more DMG and flying better, she needs help.
@NoxHelios you kinda just proved my point about her being misunderstood. I made comparisons to Lucio and mentioned her speed aura BECAUSE they are the strongest part of her kit yet still get constantly overlooked because she doesn't do as much flat dps as other duelists (assuming you have people you can communicate with). It's the most unique part of her kit and is THE reason to pick her.
@@legendaryzan1100 buddy you gaslight yourself, did you even read my comment?? i said that her AURA buffs the speed and and the dmg boost are so low they are irrelevent a mantis does bettter job at boosting than storm do, she got heavily nerfed go actually read on their website and look for yourself instead of lying to yourself and beleiving it .
@NoxHelios I know the numbers, an aoe 8% passive boost is definitely not irrelevant when compared to a 12% boost tied to a resource, plus Storm can go even higher than mantis at 15% when amped. Not to mention mantis only has a move speed buff during ult which makes it less reliable over a whole match.
bogur has to be joking about iron first. XD I agree storm is really bad and restricted because of effective range circle that i HOPE they rework her entirely. its like they tried to make a flying lucio but forgot why season 0 lucio was bad and every season after that until they increased his wallride speed, and the ability to jump off walls and keep momentum so he can actually get around the map quick enough to be with his teammates in different positions. xD Storm. Favorite character, arguably second worst character in the game.
@ 29:37 Bogur says hulk's shield is infinite hp but he is incorrect. Hulk gets a 250 hp shield and his teammates get 100 hp shields. Just to let the ppl know
Iron is so slept on, with his beam alone he can melt doctor strange shield and destroy hela in his ult state. When Ultron will come, my man is gonna be meta frr.
Tank player: "this character sucks."
Wolverine: "I counter tanks"
Tank player: "this is the strongest character in the game."
They are going to regret making this character considering that it will already be harder to get people to play tank than any other role, making a character that exists to shit on the role that nobody wants to play is crazy
@@EvilMagnitude I think that is overexaggerating the effect Wolvie has. Dive characters are built to take down squishies, which accounts for almost 2/3 of the cast and yet there's barely any issue. Plus, hero shooters as a whole are built on countering various setups. Not allowing any characters to be built towards taking down tanks would simply be improper game design.
He’s extremely mid as a tank counter. Hela, Hawkeye, storm, even magik, they all do better against tank than wolverine. Wolverine struggles even in 1v1’s
@@EvilMagnitudesaying wolverine shits on tanks is a massive exaggeration
@@zzodysseuszz these are awful takes
Wolverine making everyone switch their opinion about him and making a separate tier for him is gold. Proud to be a Wolverine main.
Who knew all we had to do is read how his damage is calculated
I wish theyd fix his janky dive though
@MoistYoghurt guess the devs relied too much on right click + leap combo
teamcaptain scarred them all
@@TheVichugo02ppl who can read
Hulk and Wolverine did a full reverse sweep from D tier to S lmao
it only takes one hero mainer to change everyone's opinions
Makes sense I would argue they have some of the highest skill ceilings so it took a minute for everyone to realize their potential.
Thats why week 1 tier lists arent worth shit.
I’ve never seen something like this in any game in my entire life and I was a tournament smash player back then like wtf this is so cool
we all know who's responsible for that
When hela is banned on high elo, iron man shreds with hulk
in alot of my games im seeing ironman or hulk bans lol
he did mention that in case u didnt actually watch the video, he said if Hela and Hawkeye get nerfed or banned hes S tier
@ why would I comment if I didn’t watch the video
@@MxThicc I think hes trying to figure that out🤔
@@MxThicc that's exactly what we are wondering cuz it makes no sense to just say in your comment what he already said in the video unless u didn't watch it
Props to TeamCaptain for showing everyone what a menace wolverine is. Man has been using Wolverine to traumatize tanks into changing their tierlists XD
Wolverine isn't menace, team captain has his team crutching his plays left and right.
@@mtk1808it’s a team game. Doing your job for the team is a lot better than just going for kills.
@@mtk1808what a braindead take lol
LOGANG!
Yckor as well!
0:21 Preface
0:18 Adam Warlock
1:44 Black Panther
2:30 Black Widow
3:32 Hulk
4:59 Captain America
6:32 Cloak & Dagger
7:33 Doctor Strange
8:59 Groot
10:49 Hawkeye
11:45 Iron Fist
12:06 Hela
12:09 Iron man
13:18 Jeff
13:31 Luna Snow
15:03 Loki
15:47 Magik
16:27 Mantis (& Magneto but cut out)
16:59 Moon Knight
17:44 Namor
18:50 Peni Parker
19:37 Psylocke
20:35 Punisher
21:41 Rocket Racoon
22:50 Scarlet Witch
23:46 Spider Man
24:23 Squirrel Girl
25:30 Star Lord
26:29 Storm
27:21 Thor
28:00 Venom
30:21 Winter Soldier
30:50 Wolverine
Pin this already
@@Protectorofgodwhy? There’s already chapters
Thank you
Luna Snow is off he starts talking about Luna Snow at 14:31
What about Magneto? I’m trying to main him, but he was skipped right over.
Seeing wolverine go from the very bottom to the very top of everyone’s tier list is pretty amazing
It’s just a meme from TeamCaptain, he’s way stronger than people thought but he’s just A tier, he gets shit on by triple support comps
@@biggiecheese2004good wolverines always bring the tank to your team. Triple support cant do anything when 6 people are focusing 1 tank
He’s still an awful character.
@@zzodysseuszzhey bronze player
not amazing if he gets nerfed next season, I worry that everyone's happily hyping up Wolverine is just gonna end up getting him nerfed instead of a buff. Because he is still ass 1v1 other DPS.
Crazy how opinions change. Everyone thought hulk was worse tank at first
Which is crazy, I said he was the best tank in the game day one, just set up all my key binds for every hero as soon as I got into the game and had 1 game, and just looking at his kit I could tell he has the best tank ultity, how do you look at a team wide zarya bubble onna winston with unlimited leaps, an ult that is winston with a 2 shot added in, a stun and reins ult charge building fire strike?
Immediately started trying to master him, especially when I seen that 4 star rating, after seeing that I knew everyone was just bad at him, if the devs rated him as a 1 star and everyone thought he was dog water than sure, but the devs put that 4 star there for a reason, hell he maybe is deserving of a 5 lol
@@shawngorski9714so penni is difficult to play then too since she's also 4 star😂
I mean i see loads of Peni's shoot rather than placing down mines and traps, blocking off flanks@sledge7106
@sledge7106 she is? Have you not played peni? She's definitely the second most skillful tank, just because you can't play Spiderman into her and just run at the enemy backline does not mean she's easy, if anyone even begins to shoot at the nest, your entire gameplay loops gone which means a peni needs to play goalie for that thing, it's all about pre setting up your nest and building it out, it's an incredibly unique and cool playstyle that when compared to being a shield bot like strange or mag or a dive bot that can't die unless cc'd at the right time like venom is just way more difficult.
I think people just see bunker style hero with deployables and assumes they're brain dead because of overwatch but overwatch does sustain and bunker style heros so terribly, it's why dive is the funnest in ow but also the modt miserable because the bunker and anti dive stuff is all brain dead boring slop lol
Meanwhile mr has storm, namore, loki and peni, some of the best hero shooter designs I've ever seen.
@@shawngorski9714 i was kidding since she's so easy to play lmfao. Witch was also 4 stars before they changed her to 1 star, doesn't always mean they're hard to play
Trying to fight/heal a Spider-Man while using controller is actually insane. Gunna snap a stick off trying to track that guy
Thats what namor is for haha, he hard counters spider man.
For me its the worst with black panther every time I try to freeze him as luna i fuck up the timing and he's already behind me
@@dragonfire9806I ban him every single game. Mf has so many dashes. You just cant track him 1v1. You just explode
I can deal with spiderman, I have no fucking clue how to get Panther off my ass unless there's a healer with me.
@@VileVamp You dont 💀, you pray they are bad at panther lmao.
Why did the editor just cutout the magneto part? 😭
Came just for him
Was havin issues with premiere and accidentally cut it out, my fault gang -pollard
@@bogur2 wholesome
Same with mantis (I think) 😢
@@bogur2fire him
/s
I'd say Star-Lord is Meta. Don't underestimate the DPS of a Star-Lord with a full mag, 2 flips, full boost and his barrage is online. The backline gets burst down so quickly that no one can really counter it. He's a deadly annoyance that can dodge and weave all your attacks and wittle you down, or chase after a kill to make sure it doesn't get away. Don't even mention the sheer dominance that is Star-Lord Ultimate. If your tracking and movement are good then Star-Lord will be your best hero by a mile.
As a strat main, ( Mantis + C&D mostly ) I ALWAYS back up whenever I hear his character ulting because there is no way I'm going to survive that close because Star hits anyone immediately close range. Even IF I run, this guy is flying around spinning and whenever I'm Mantis.. If I miss that sleep ability I AM A GONER.
His ult is like Storm where you don't think much about it UNTIL you're right beside them. So I remind my teammates not to feed into their ult.
No still Psylock, Star lord needs Adam, Adam needs mantis. Psylock doesn't need Magik put simply one team member unreliant on bans and three team members praying one of three characters don't get banned is bad. Although as a loki I will gladly take Star lords ult over Psylock depending on the enemy strategist.
i’d say ur not a really high rank
namor kill him
A (good) Strange destroys Star Lord pretty fast
As a thor main bullilying 3 tanks and not dying is hilarious thanks to his shield charge
Yes! Thor 1 v 1 any other tank. Thor wins, he's got the highest damage output of any tank. But he's kind of a glass cannon tank cause he has the lowest health by far. But I agree his ult sucks. He's very close to perfectly balanced tho. Needs a small health boost and a ult buff
@mattetheridge8459 honestly I don't mind the ult I don't really use it to much and thanks to his shield charge stacking damage is so easy since if you charge that before you go in the enemies only snit bits part of your health before you can charge your shield making you incredibly hard to kill
If you want to use the uti do it as a surprise attack kind of like a bundle charge wait for everyone to be bundled slam it down then use your electric shield as a first shield charge then aim for the people with the least health left then throw for a second shield charge
Should be a good enough distraction for everyone to want and try and target you letting your team fall in with no eyes on them leaving the enemy open
Or wait till there close to there end then use it when you see one of there teammates it will kill them and damage the other teammate leaving them open to getting swarmed
This has happened so many times it's starting to feel like thor is just the strongest in the game but that's mainly because people don't understand how he works
I just think Thor's cool downs need to be separate. He's fun to play but he still feels a little clunky
@voladile a little but I think that depends on how you play the character the hammer reload thor force does feel a bit off but is a really good way to balance him out personally
@@voladile the cooldowns and thorforce are actually pretty smart. If the cooldowns were any lower, he would never die because he'd have insane overheal up time. Its really just his ult that needs a change. I think he should become unstoppable for the duration and get a 200hp overheal then once he hits ground he leaves a aoe on the ground that lingers for 2/3 seconds slowing enemies and doing like 30 tick damage or something. He's gonna be a tricky one to buff because he already has great damage and can isolate strategists very well. Maining him atm and finding it very fun just the ult needs a touch up, even just the unstoppable would be great.
Spiderman is the Genji of this game. Part of his value comes from getting 20% ult webswing uppercutting through the enemy team, killing someone every now and then, and then thwip to the backline and press q to bait out support Ults, rinse repeat
Psylocke is the Genji.
Spiderman is more like doomfist back when he was an attacker.
@@Dan-Ky-Kang He meant that the gameplay loop is similar to genji
If genji was garbage ye
@@Dan-Ky-Kang Psylocke is the sombra with an auto genji ult.
@@Kuroganemk2she feels like genji and cobra fused I like her a lot
Adam Warlock: Insane shift that counters huge ultimates. Clutch AoE healing. Enough damage to 1v1 dualists. Game changing mass rez ult.
Cpt America: Runs around and does nothing
Bogur: Put these guys in the same tier
You don’t play the game 9/10 the mass res ult does fuck all
Tbf he hasn't really played against him or with him is the vibe I'm getting.
@@ThatFlyingWhale Adam warlocks res is ass and not as good as it looks
I'd rather have a Loki pressing shift than an Adam tbh and Adams revive can be really clutch but at the same time Mantis/Luna/C&D prevents those deaths from happening and giving extra energy to the enemy team
I think like Bogur mentioned that Adam is crazy on defense but outside that he's a bit lackluster compared to the meta picks
Pretty good if you use it as a tempo res instead of a team ress
the 2 characters people were most wrong about (granted it was before we knew hero bans were a thing) were wolverine and iron man.
im calling the next 1. Adam Warlock. that guy is way more cracked than people realize. especially once people start to understand the Shift ability. he basically has 2 ults.
Hulk too. I don't think anyone put him above B tier at first.
His cooldowns hold him back imo, still an above average support.
bro adam warlocks soul bond is so insane legit, it allows you to survive nearly any ult in the game thats not iron mans or scarlet witches basically no problem
shift is the dive dismantler, been on that for a while
@danielw8776 Hulk is good through association. Dr strange and Iron man become incredible (pun intended) With him on the team. Without them tho? He's at max a tier
bro forgot about magneto 😂
I rewinded like 3x thinking I wasn't paying attention since i saw him on the list but didn't hear why.
Yeah i think he just forgot lmao. I can see why he is where he is though. I onetricked him to diamond and im still climbing with him. He is a really good defensive tank who can be a good one tank if played right as well as a really good support tank. But he his def held back by complete lack of mobility and his range isnt the best without using the scarlet witch team up. The team up i think makes him S tier but then u have to also have a scarlet witch on ur team lmao and she is just not the a good dps at all espec in high ranks.
@@dyn7006I feel the same way about Magneto I’ve been mailing him due to other people just not taking tank and he’s real good at being a single tank and most of the time my duo is either on scarlet witch or support
@@dyn7006I'm gm playing a lot of neto, some hulk, strange, and loki. I honestly think neto is a better off tank than a main tank. He is really good at forcing himself into enemy space and his damage can be really opressive if you hit your shots. Strange is def more of a main tank
@@NoodleTactics Yeah I can see that. I think he as good one tank potential but he performs better as an off tank just cuz his bubbles compliment other tanks so well
Im surprised how balanced this game is according to this tierlist. Though clearly some hitscans and supports are outliers
Game is truly fun when three heroes are banned specifically. Hawkeye hela and Luna.
@@NinjapowerMS because they are broken asf, if those 3 dont get nerfed i swear
@@NinjapowerMSMantis(sleep is too easy to land for how long it lasts) Jeff(ult covers the entire objective on most maps and the vertical hitbox is stupidly high) Winter Soldier(Cooldowns are a little too frequent) and Psylocke(burst combo is wayyy too fast and should require another m1 or melee if they don’t wanna slow the animation cancels)
are all a little oppressive too tbf.
You’re bronze
I'm a Cloak & Dagger main, and I can assure you that even though they don't bring the healing or damage potential other supports do, their utility is unmatched. Being able to heal the frontline or flanking duelists from a far and/or behind cover is amazing, being able to boost healing on ally tanks is goated, and of course... Being able to shroud your team to avoid the most annoying ultimates, like Jeff's, Ironman's, Scarlet's or Magneto's, is the best thing a support can bring to your team. Yea, reviving teammates with Adam Warlock is fine, but VERY situational and honestly hard to pull off correctly, without even mentioning you can only do that as his ultimate. C&D is a super underrated hero and more people should take the time to learn their kit and properly support their team!
From what I've seen they aren't underestimated. C&D are like the 3rd most meta support that is played at all ranks.
lol this reeks of those "i know ill get downvoted" reddit comments then proceed to say the most normal take ever. those 2 r super popular picks, they arent slept on, dont worry
Most random teammates I get always cry about how bad C&D is and ask me to change, and proceed to insult me when I refuse... For some reason they don't see what this hero brings to the table, and of course they don't say anything after we finish the game with 30k+ healing...
Doesn’t bring healing? As a cloak and dagger main I usually have the most healing on both teams and have the most assists
@@DisGuyLolz that's true for me as well, just means we truly focus on supporting the team. Dagger is the healer that recovers the least amount of HP per shot, so you rely on hitting your tanks with your shield (E) and using your bubble efficiently to maximize your healing potential.
in almost every tornament game the teams were running Adam + mantis as their healers. So adam is def meta with teamup. Also another interesting thing about the tornaments is that penny + venom was a popular tank combo on point hold maps.
penny can ult run into a wall and as long as the web is alive, the mines stay and you have all your ult mines on one spot.
It’s bc mantis is turbo OP. Smaller hitbox than Spider-Man with stupid damage and heals and a goddamn 4 second stun
Because of banned….not because of Meta 😂😂😂
@@helloman3676 what healer would they ban over mantis? I think the community has made it pretty clear that she is declared the 1# healer.
@mrblob107 Luna is banned alot
Just watched a video of a max ranked Storm being a true menace. People say she is bad because they don't use her properly(flying up high is not how you use her)
Exactly she is kinda op cause she does a lot of support. Damage boost, people say speed boost doesn’t help but I’ve sped people out of psylocke ult before, anti dive, pierce and a great ultimate. Her only downfall is that she is reliant on her teammates to push with her. But good thing marvel rivals is a team game.
Her damage is actually insane if you can get enemies into her circle. But lets be fair, she is almost unplayable vs hela and hawkeye.
Yesterday I played against a party of 3 who were playing the most busted anti-tank comp. They had Wolverine, Winter Soldier, and Thor. They would coordinate together to basically kidnap me (I was Peni) from my team and take me across the map to their team using Thor's push, Winter Soldier's hook & push, and Wolverine's grab.
This was by far the most annoying experience I had as a tank! Ofc it's counterable by good teammates, but I felt so helpless as I was getting dragged across the map to my impending doom! lol
Idk why you dont just swap to literally any other tank atp
@@thewalnut4017 because I don't play any other tanks, and because despite what was happening I was still the only one getting any kills on my team. It was just a bad match against a good organized party, that's all.
@@thewalnut4017 also keep in mind that Peni is one of the best counters to both Wolverine and Thor in a balanced match. If I place 3 mines under me, the wolverine would die the moment he tried to grab me. Thor needs more mines to kill, but is very easy to stun with Peni's net and it can cancel his SHIFT ability mid flight.
Their comp would be far more stronger against a hero like Dr Strange.
It happened a lot of time and yeah when the enemy team is in a party and are all organized its almost impossible to win @@lemontwiss
Add a Groot and you can also wall off kidnapped targets
Good to see players I’ve been playing since the beginning are up there: Iron Man, Groot, Namor, Loki, Black Panther. Been rocking with Luna lately. Loki might be my most fun character though. I can heal the whole team from far away & still do damage. Plus his Ult is FIRE!
Clutched so many games with that ult. Everyone gets so confused lol.
Magik take is really good actually. I know a lot of people think she’s high A but I think that hitting combos in the game and getting the “1 shots” is too difficult in heat of battle. While she has good animation cancels when you’re out of them her attack speed is really low. And the biggest deterrent to a melee character? Range. Run away and shoot and use movement. I think she’s overrated
She's good until they pick Peni and you cant do anything, also her dash is buggy asf. Still play her whenever I can lol
Apparently FPS affects movement/abilities such as characters like Strange's fly, Wolverine he swings faster, Star Lord he reloads faster/in ult too, Venom and Spidey get a longer radius to turn while wall running, while running on lower FPS, Magik gets more distance on her uppercut and so much more that needs tested
this isn't being talked about enough.
@ep69420 its a new and upcoming thing, they'll probably catch on in about under a week
@@Rocky_Module yeah super disappointed with how poorly implemented this game turned out to be. Strange portals gimping fps in a game where you do less damage if your frames drop is insane
Truly how do you create something like this
“We love groot” “I am groot”😭
The thing with Cloak and Dagger is that when you cloak people they are intangible but if they shoot or reload or do anything like that, they get out of the cloak and most people don't know that even in high ELO so the cloak doesn't help the team just yourself pretty much always. But once people understand that pretty much half of the alts in the game, you can counter for your entire team
Thanks for letting me know about this because I switched from Mantis to C&D because no one helps me peel divers and I'm sick and tired of playing "Meta Support Mantis" to players who can't aim and constantly complain about heals when I just used my life orbs to boost them. ( I have 4.5k assists on Mantis and like 1.3k assists on C&D )
I dont think mantis is the best healer. She just seems so ez to kill if their entire team isnt protecting her. on cnd ive played games where very good backliners chase me all game and I 1v1 them and just survive forever, ive had people switch from panther, hunt me all game, then they try wolverine, i run, they try magic, i run, then they message me and say how mad they are at all the shit I do to survive. blind them, run around pillar, use the jump pad, they get on you, right click heal up while chipping on them, cloak and dodge when they got los back on you again, you can just continuously use these 3 cooldowns while circling around pillar and using jump pads. I think cnd is just better. her healing is always the highest, also and you will never ever miss a clutch heal on your team mates who are in the air like spider, venom, ironman ect. But I guess too many high elo games teams focus so much on mantis ults for progress I suppose. But for solo que I really dont see a better healer than cnd plus you dont have to sweat or aim the experience is far more enjoyable and she is always just the best pick for me. I also think he rated shark a bit low as well.
Will need comms for it.
Huh?
@JayceCH. yessir but it is hard to do. You really have to trust your c&d player
I love how Wolverine went from being "The worse character and deserves his own tier at the bottom" to "The best character and deserves his own tier at the top"
He’s still objectively the worst character. His tank counters are trash at best.
@@zzodysseuszzNah black widow/storm are for sure worse.
@@zzodysseuszz Yeah you haven't seen competent Wolverine then. He is, as far as I see, the only one that can instant-kill the main tank without using ult. People keep calling Hela and Hawkeye better anti-tank because they can 2 shot them, but if Hawkeye tap to the tank, the tank would immediately be healed to full by support, so it's never that easy. But Wolverine can separate the tank from the team and proceed to 1 shot them even without the help of others, and the team just can't react other than just trying to kill him. That's why he is scary. He is totally very clunky to play though, his dash hitbox is really weird. But calling him trash is weird now with all the mounting evidence of how good he can be in competitive scene
@@anhkhoanguyen8562 True but that's the only part that he's better than those characters. he still sucks into most dps and supports. He's like A tier if we're being real.
@@Kiegaal I would put him at B tier at most currently lol. I only rep the comment that said his anti-tank is trash
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Where is batman :c
Right there with superman
Nah he is f tier, don't use him
Dc partners solo!!🔥🔥
If they somehow struck a deal with WB to put dc heroes in the game, that would be so cool
He ranked moon knight didn’t he?
As someone who's won like 70% of their matches playing Penny and climbing to Diamond 3 in a week, I feel like people really underestimate her potential, and how to play her at all.
One, her web grappling hook ability has a 3 second cooldown, allowing her to be the first person on the objective at the start of a round, or getting back from spawn immensely faster than other characters. She can get back into a fight in like 15 seconds or less, including the respawn timer. It's kind of buggy though if you use it at extreme angles though, where it just won't pull you. If it's close to 180 degrees, like aiming at the ground at max range, it'll just bug out. Jumping before you grapple can help to reduce that angle.
Two, her primary fire is kind of like a shotgun in regards to spread at close range, so if you can track super well against diving enemies, you can deal consistent damage. You also have infinite ammo, enabling constant suppressive fire. Accuracy stat be damned, KEEP SHOOTING.
Three, don't use her mines like traps. That's literally the worst value you can get out of them. An ability that rarely gets used is effectively an ability that doesn't get used at all. Literally just throw them in the middle of a fire fight. Did that all the time with Junkrat, and it was vastly more consistent and of better value. Just thing of them as delayed grenades. They deal 100 damage, take 4s to recharge apiece, and you can have 4 at a time, and take about a second to detonate. Don't even be concerned with them getting used, just spam the damn things when you see people grouping up or where you expect foot traffic. And the whole "you can hide her mines in her web" thing, literally don't ever do that. Total waste of time. Just throwsthose frisbees at the enemy.
Four, her snare is on a 3 second cooldown, and has a massive hitbox at close range. It can also interrupt numerous ultimates, and can even BLOCK iron man ult (and I managed to finally pull that off last night). The snare is just plain oppressive against tanks as well with how big they are, even Strange. If you have a feel for how long Strange keeps his shield up, and you can fairly successfully snare him immediately after he drops shield or when he's trying to weave attacks in between. It has all of a 3 second cooldown, so use it liberally, but still keep in mind how players are moving so you could interrupt an ult and such.
Five, her little station should be close by, but at a hard enough angle for the enemy to aim at (like it would expose them too much to try to shoot it). It spawns teeny like spiders that chase and explode on targets for 40 damage apiece, and they will only crawl on webs, which includes webs from your grapple, snare, and ultimate (so make 2 webs into a path to extend it's range a bit, since you can only have 3 at a time and just occasionally repair the path). Don't be super attached to it though, as it does help with healing and movement speed bonus, but it's far from the end of the world if it goes down. You can also press shift again to despawn it and immediately replace/move it if it was full health, and I think the cooldown scales with how much health it had remaining, so if it's likely to be destroyed, you can despawn it for a shorter cooldown. Cooldown might also depend on if was recently damaged at all, regardless of amount.
Six, her ultimate certainly isn't great, but she can chuck 7 or more mines in the same manner she normally does. Point where you want them to go. You can literally make a given area into a minefield. You can cover an entire objective or payload, and the mines persist after the ultimate stops (the webs vanish though). Her melee during the ult is... something you can use if someone is really low on health... I guess. The mines are 95% of the worth of her ult. It can be used for pushes too, because it's a mine field that you can spread out however you want. You can throw it straight into their backline if you want to. I often just zerg rush right in, and right out to get enemy attention away from my team, while placing my mines on the objective, and immediately regroup with my team who have probably moved forward and gotten a kill during that. You don't want to get cc'd during this, and you don't want to mingle in the enemy backline (they might even use cooldowns expecting something from you rushing in). Get in, place, get out, regroup, then start shooting, throwing more mines, snaring, etc. It can be a bit of a "delayed gratification" of an ult. If the sight line is ideal, you may not even have to dive in to place mines.
Being a bunker/area denial/area lockdown character who can relentlessly snare and deal damage at a distance, even on attack she can quickly move up the frontline and make huge space for the payload to move, particularly after a teamwipe. You can cross the distance and move your whole setup in less than 5 seconds. You can be a total menace and I quickly find myself getting focused hard by the enemy team for it. Play glued to cover too. You're a big tank with no shield and your movement isn't as convenient as other characters. Constant outgoing damage, suppressive fire, frisbee mines directly at the enemy, snaring every few seconds, super quick to traverse distances or height, moderate self healing, glue yourself to cover, rapidly move your station and setup, blanket and entire objective in a minefield that persists, DO NOT DIVE unless you're ulting (but still don't hang around, and largely ignore dealing melee), etc. She's a total menace if she has competent supports that can heal her and don't instantly fold to getting dived (and I 90% literally only play tank or support). Be a competent tank who mitigates how much damage you take to make it easier on the supports as well (I get that's not doable as a dive tank though, but you can easily manage it with Penny's playstyle... since you largely should never dive with her).
Thanks for the helpful tips about Penny! She's actually one of my backup tank choices, I had groot first then Peni then venom + strange. Didn't know she had infinite ammo either.
I'm going to aim for lord on Tank heros after getting lord on strat heros. ( I've been focusing on practicing on certain ones )
the problem with Peni is that she is pretty much a noob-stomper at low rank due to that people never shoot her station. Same with Jeff, Scarlet Witch, Moon Knights, Namor, people are not familar with the heroes/not skilled enough so they usually get caught in their skills/ult. It's much more difficult to play on high rank though. I do think Peni is great and she may even deserve higher rank in this tier list, but your experience up to diamond with her is really skewed .
I ain’t reading allat
@@anhkhoanguyen8562 The overwhelming majority of people though don't die thanks the station though? It's chip damage at most. Most of my kills are with her primary fire and snaring, particularly getting people screwed over out in the open. Mines deal a lot of damage, but they impede pushes more than anything. I can have 50 kills at the end of a match and it generally lists less than 10 thanks to mines. She can also get healing from simply standing in her webs, entirely independently of her station. The only unique thing her station offers, is wide web coverage, and spawning the spider drones. She also spawns those drones directly from her own mech during her ult.
The station is part of her kit, and it's not remotely the best part of her kit. I even use it as bait sometimes. I don't know why people regard it as something that fuels her entire playstyle, when it really doesn't. If you play around really strict sight lines and effectively be peaking almost the entire game, the station has less relevance for what it offers. Her value it just plain relentless damage that leaves people vulnerable and snaring that makes it extra so, along with the quickest traversal amongst tanks. You can FINALLY die as Peni... and then show right back up in the same fight before your own team might get wiped. May as well be a zombie you thought died, just to see it moving again literal seconds later. Groot can't do that, along with Thor, Magneto, Venom, Strange (portal doesn't really count, because it's really its own thing and not a movement ability), etc.
Most of my kills are well outside the range of her station. The manner in which she would be a noob stomper, is if they just refuse to learn how low the cooldown for her snare is and charge straight at you. Most dive player go straight for supports though.
d3 not that nice basically where ppl start to b good
Theres so much info you guys dont read about in the hero's kits... For starters, as a venom main, did you know his ult damages 50% of a target's HP? He heals for 100% of the damage dealt, so imagine ulting a monster hulk or heroes clustered around a loki rune zone. It will destroy the rune and hurt enemies inside of it. And his shields can stack, you can use his E and ult, and you can gain up to a 2000 shield if done properly.
Also, his tentacle grab can go thru your ult as well. So you can grab them ult, bite, then the tendrils will deal damage on top of all that
That’s cool and all but it does nothing to fix his very glaring weaknesses
Ok cool, I'm hulk. I press E, I have now countered your entire argument.
@@obwolf like what?
@@Pumasdswas gonna say the same thing lol😂😂😂
" did you know his (venom) ult damages 50% of a target's HP? He heals for 100% of the damage dealt, so..."
More specifically it does 50% of a heroes CURRENT health, not their max health (plus 40 damage). This ult literally does less damage to low health targets.
Its for reasons like this that its pretty bad. Its not good against full health targets because it gives them a lot of time to recover, and its not good against low health targets because it literally does less damage to them. On top of that the range is pretty damn small (7 meters is small for an ult in this game), and he can be physically body blocked.
*No one* is afraid of venoms ult- And for good reason(s).
Ive been playing Hulk since the beta. I never understood why people thought he was trash, he was actually even better during the beta. 2-3 broken bubbles (on you or team) meant you got your ult instantly and you were invulnerable during the Hulk grab when ulting. Hulk is goated
Hulk is my favorite tank, but i dont understand why q and right click cd is so long. Like Thor's hammer toss has 2s cd, faster cast and same dmg, not going through targets, but it is rarely problem.
And hulk has almost worst self sustain among all tanks, 250 hp shield on 12s cd is not much
Wolverine when played right is meta defining.
We have never seen a tank peeler in this game yet. And Wolverine has that agency. Which is what makes him the first meta breaker in Marvel Rivals
Tf is winter soldier then?
I'd say he's anti-meta. His counters are usually not picked and banned.
I’m glad captain America is slept on. He’s got some of the best mobility in the game. He does a great job of harassing the backline healer while being tanky enough to escape and pairs well with any melee DPS.
Hes my favorite comic character but he's the worst tank in the game by far. He has nothing you wouldn't be better off switching to someone better. He needs a buff of some kind. Little more damage or a stun or something. Since switching to Hulk I'm 3x the threat I was with Cap and that makes me sad.
As someone who plays tank a lot and is able to play Wolverine decently he’s still D tier. You have to do so much more than every other character to get anything done as him. The hit box on his leap is too small to catch anything that’s not a tank. You can miss the leap on someone you’re hitting with the melee combo because of how small it is. Even when you hit the leap he relies heavily on his team for a kill. Hes not horrible but he’s definitely not higher than mid tier
You don’t know how to play wolverine he punishes tanks heavily ur just ass
I feel like most of the issues I've seen people have with him or issues I have had with him is when the team doesn't keep him in mind or focus him down when he appears and just lets their tank get shredded.
@@DraconaiiThis stems from most of the playerbase not knowing how to play against him properly/not understanding his kit in general. His effectiveness will go down the more people learn how to play against him.
@thrivinganarchy5267 yea and thats why i personally think he's still bad, around the same tier as characters like cap
It depends on rank, Wolverine is game sense dependent. In lower ranks people will constantly make bad decisions and die with him but any Grandmaster DPS main can pick Wolverine and wreck absolute havoc even if they don't know the character that well simply because they have really good game sense. We're seeing it now, now that people found out what his purpose is, you see high rank players switching to him to deal with strong frontliners.
Considering Hawkeye and Hela are currently on a 20% dps increase for seasonal buffs in 12 days it will revert and I think punisher will become S rank
Magik can't afford to lose 15% damage. Her combos requires her to burn all of her cooldowns and if she doesn't secure the kill then she gets killed. Compared her to panther. Panther has more HP, time to kill a squishy is faster and doesn't require every cooldown to do so, and he has better mobility. And panther doesn't currently even have a seasonal buff.buffs. also same goes for psylocke. No seasonal buffs and she's way better. The devs need to ditch this seasonal buffs system and just balance the game first. They need to establish a baseline first.
Panther does need to burn all of his cooldowns. What are you talking about?
@Watermelon_Man no he doesn't. Spear dash spear dash kills the squishies. The combo with the 4 moves hits for 250 total and thats not even taking into consideration his passive that deals 20% more damage to targets under 100 hp. So sir, what are YOU talking about? He still has his kick which resets his dash 1 more time left.
@@kylecouture1917he does more damage when he’s low on health not when the target is
@@papasmurfy8021 perfect. Doesnt change much. He can still solo kill a squishy without using all his cooldowns and then use the remaining to get out.
Idk if you havent played Magik much, but her ttk is 100% faster then bp, its just you insta kill 1 person and prob die afterwards.
I believe captain America is a damage killer. That’s the role I think best suited him. He doesn’t die, you can reflect damage back to dps and get kills that way then move on to healers or vice versa. You can say other flank type characters do that but with his shield most of the time you don’t have to take the initial damage from just getting close to them. He doesn’t do a lot if damage himself for sure but he’ll get a lot of kills for sure. As a character he is not essentially better but he has a role to play. He’s best against a punisher that’s destroying your team.
He only gets kills in low rank. His threat is so low he can be ignored as long as his target receives healing. He needs a buff desperately.
@I really hope it’s soon. Him, black widow and storm. Honestly in my opinion I don’t think they should touch his damage though. He’s already unkillable most of the time even in comparison to even the other tanks. Add good damage and then he would speed run your damage and healers
In the future lets not get arrogant and think we know everything about a game that's been out for a week.
Thing with C&D is you pretty much can't miss when you're Dagger. That's why when you finish a match you end with like 95% accuracy. Granted a big portion of that is healing. But I pretty much never have my finger off the left click button playing them. Biggest issue is the split second changeover between Cloak and Dagger. A lot of times by the time you switch the kill opportunity has already passed. So you kinda have to predict when to swap between forms. If you can do that they are pretty nuts.
As a strat main ( Mantis + C&D mostly ) I have Centurion on her with 1.3k assists. I only swap to deplete the life of tanks while being on objective AND getting away by floating + Invis. ( Smart players wait or follow me though ) I don't bother trying to get kos unless if DPS is doing badly and being dived on. ( So as a strategist, I'm helping other supports + DPS from being dived on which is funny )
Dagger has some aim assist or something because of how It can easily track players.
@JJ-zz2ox same as far as heroes. I'm primarily a Mantis and C&D player. Where one doesn't work the other does and now that I'm high enough to hit the hero bans I have a backup in case what I want to play is banned. As for Dagger's daggers lol they will hit their target so long as the little blue indicators are on who you're throwing them at. Basically you just have to have your cross hair in the general direction. So long as their LOS doesn't get broken they will hit their target. I know you've seen them arc to follow a target. And even though they don't do a ton of damage I get a lot of final blows on weak targets with them. It's like a free kill. Personally I usually play fairly close to my tank so long as it's like a Strange or Magneto. They offer enough protection that you can really hammer down on the damage from behind them. Whereas Mantis I always play at a pretty hard off angle so long as my sleep is up. So far this has helped me climb to high Diamond. Can't seem to get over that hump past Diamond. Maybe it's just where my skill tapers off 🤷♂️ I guess that would make sense since I am hard stuck Masters in Overwatch
Tier lists aren’t meant to be made every couple weeks, especially when there haven’t been significant patches… that’s why ppl’s “opinions keep flipping.” They’re going too fast.
The meta is just forming (cause new game and all) and he's just keeping us up to date with that.
@@alib2374 There’s no point staying up to date with something that keeps changing every week.
Wolverine dying to healers but shredding tanks instantly is so funny
Wolverine exists so that if GOATS becomes a thing in Marvel Rivals then it won't break the game like Overwatch 1.
что такое GOATS ?
Rein, Zarya, Dva, lucio, Brigitte, zenyatta@@sankyuubigan
@@10000000000000000020 почему такое название ? причем тут эти герои?
@@sankyuubigan long story short, 3 tanks and 3 healers that make sure they cant die, lead to really long and boring games
wolverine's entire gimmick is tank-killing, which means 3 vanguard comps crumble with him around
The fact that he put iron fist down there is insane
I was waiting for someone to say this. Even if Iron Fist doesn’t get kills, his backline disruption and ability to sustain himself without the need for healers is elite. He’s still not top tier, but he’s definitely in decent tier.
@@Watermelon_Man Same thought , not a top tier but clearly far far far away than bottom tier
Will not tolerate the disrespect on venom
As a Peni Main. I play her as the ‘chip damage so others can one shot them’ character. She’s very much the type of character to slowly take ground and hold the ground you have.
i think most ppl (especially in lower ranks) are so bad at playing loki bc they don’t understand that his clone placement literally makes or breaks the game. i had a loki on my team once who didn’t understand this and just had all the clones bunched up and lined up all the way in the back line far away from the rest of the team like…. how are we supposed to get into the healing field be fr 😭☠️ loki clones should be scattered throughout the area to maximize healing and damage 😭
Did you pair 😭 with ☠️
Put some respect on Jeff’s name. Hecking good tier.
maybe we finally have a tierlist that's reliable.
People are sleeping on Iron Fist. He does stomp noob lobbies, yes. However, he doesn’t fall off into irrelevance at higher ranks. Samito is proof of that. He just got to eternal on solo iron fist with a high win rate on an alt account.
He just takes good decision making and game awareness at higher ranks instead of being able to just w key in silver lobbies.
If you're truly locked in you can counter psylocke ult with a stun, ive done it before with hulk
Yeah you can hear the voice line and cancel her ult with Peni so easily
Currently, im Lord level as Iron fist and soloing as him in platinum rank is a nightmare if your team isnt good. But with the right team he is extremely good.
You know what? After the "fuck you Rocket mains" comment on stream, at least you put us in "Decent" tier. Respectable.
As a low level gamer, I really enjoy cap. A lot of mobility and shield that regens at a decent rate. I often divebomb and end up baiting most of a team off an objective or chokepoint.
16:15 been playing magik and shes kinda rough, so many heroes just dont let you play.
She is so fun when she works though. Imo they should give her 300 hp tho
Nah, she needs faster movement speed
Both. Both is good.
It's her ult, honestly.
Magik's ult feels like it got the shortest end of the stick alongside Venom. She gets no defensive bonuses, she can't one shot in it, and she can die so easily in her ult. Plus the transformation in and out of ult leaves her vulnerable for two whole seconds.
@@cosmicfox5671I’ve one tricked magik to gm and her main issues are her E hit box, it’s WAY too inconsistent, sometimes you just go right through people and don’t get a hit, sometimes it connects but you don’t get an uppercut. It’s the difference between winning and losing a 1v1 so the bad hit box really cucks you. Also the transform time on her ult and long animation time at the end of her ult is terrible. I think her dash cd could also be reduced by 2 seconds, these 3 changes would bump her up to very strong
@@MolezHDthey really should find a good spot in the middle of Magik and Spiderman's knock ups.. on one hand Magiks is hard to hit but on the other.. Spiderman can land his while not even looking at you. Lol
We'll see Iron Fist jumping tiers when people find out how easily you can counter Ironman with him. Same thing with what happened with Wolverine.
Enemy picks the holy trinity? Just make Ironman go afk in 2 minutes with Iron Fist.
This is the only tier list from a UA-camr I’ve seen that actually seems correct, including high tier players. Props to you!
Not really. This list is similar to a lot of other UA-camrs. The meta hasn't shifted much and it's a team shooter, comps matter more than just individual strengths so it's rather pointless to make anymore tier lists unless there's a patch that significantly buffs and debuffs characters.
I feel Black Widow is underutilized and over shadowed by Hela and Hawkeye.
She can't one shot, nor should she.
Her headshots put enemies at chip damage range, which reminder, this is a team game. You can find some chip damage.
If you land a headshot on someone mid fight, they're just dead.
Her mobility is fantastic, allowing her to take angles easily.
Her kick needs a hitbox buff, but otherwise it's good. Also the stun on the grapple is godlike.
Her Ult is actually useful. It lasts for ages, the pool is gigantic, and it slows people to a crawl.
Fire her ult at a contested objective or a choke point and watch their team get melted. Or fire it at the healers and rack up free headshots on them.
Most of the roster is melee characters. So her ult drags people to a crawl, which is a death sentence to melee fights. People can use their mobility options to escape, but it can render a payload uncontestable.
I believe the highest ranked player, on PC actually, is a Black Widow main. Watching her gameplay, she's oppressive as hell to fight.
As for console, a half decent Black Widow counters out the big issue characters and can turn a brawl into a clean up.
Yeah Black Widow’s biggest flaw is that Hawkeye and Hela are cheap and broken, with her second biggest flaw just being a lack of abilities. As far as sniper characters go, she perfectly designed for balance.
@Watermelon_Man Right, and her abilities are fine given that she has a no falloff, scoped weapon that can nearly one shot
She has a good mobility tool that's not too good
She has a kick, needs a bigger hit box, but is otherwise fine
And her stun grapple is great (again, the prerequisite kick box needs to be bigger)
She's perfectly weak for a character who can be VERY dangerous.
I picked up hulk bc he seemed like a fun off meta sleeper pick now everyone woke up and i hate it
I back track and hit his crit, for some reason a hulk can't handle it.
I really hope a lot of people think iron fist is unplayable so they buff him. His kit is insane and if you use it right (flank and stay in air and out of sight)
I don't get how Magik is better than Iron Fist.
ye, magik is bad :/
Magik is NOT bad lol
i love this tierlist so muchy
this hurt as a storm main
She's my second main, and agreed.
It is pretty true, though. Anything she does, other DPS/Sup just do better. Mantis and C&D provide better utility, Iron Man provides better sustained damage, and her ult is only really good in low elo where no one understands what is going on.
I’m an iron fist Wanda and storm main. I’ve gotten people tilted when the game hasn’t even started. Yet I reached diamond playing those dps and of course also switching other tanks when needed. Also storm ult is pretty up there with other ults I always get at least a kill even if they have Luna and mantis. Good storm players wait out those supports and and then attack. I do agree she needs a bit of a damage buff tho but otherwise people just don’t know how to play her
Great tier list but worth mentioning most hulks are going to be bad until higher elo. He is a difficult character and two tanks helps him a lot
When a single man changes everyone's opinions on Wolverine to where Wolverine has now ascended and created his own Tier.
Also come on man Storm might be boring but she isn't THAT terrible. her left click does need some sort of boost because the falloff damage starting outside of her ring kinda sucks. reduce the drop off or give it a smidge more projectile speed.
and remove recharge, i mean, she is the fuckin weather goddess, hawkeyes has infinite ammo how the an omega mutant cant xD
Or just give her a lot more movement speed
@MrSjanten007 I'm not bothered by her movement because the self buff is stronger and I'm fine with learning to play corners. But If you're gonna make me move slow then make me a glass cannon at least
Magik in decent is crazy, I've seen magik be top kills dps and blocked damage altogether many times but she is hard to play effectively and I play on console
Adam warlock a little low imo- his team up is so strong. Along with that he’s a strong healer, his soul bond is strong, and he can put out some good dps. Played a lot in tourneys.
If Punisher is ulting and you're using Cap, run up to him with your shield and the bullets will bounce back and kill him with his own ult before the shield breaks
I really don't think you can make a tierlist if you haven't tried playing all of the characters. Like on paper Cloak and Dagger can do a lot, but they have long ability lockout times that make them very easy to dive. They're situational at best.
This is painfully incorrect
I agree that tier lists makes no sense if people haven't played all the characters, especially if their proficiency level is like only "Knight". ( I have lord on Mantis + Centurion on C&D and like knight on some others but I'll catch up )
I disagree with C&D being situational though. You have to KNOW when to switch, you just do. You have to treat it like you're playing two heros at once, the only exception you cannot be both at the same time. ( Except ult because it has both and it heals + harms )
A bubble that passively heals, a like 3 second invulnerability that allows you to reposition, a blind ability, and daggers that AoE heal when they deal damage. You’re only diving on them successfully with Spider-Man or Black Panther AND if they used one of their cooldowns already. Otherwise, you’re just wasting resources on a character that’s not going to die.
This basically what my tier list would be. But I am open to ppl showing me something with Storm. Like I see the potential in her team support but she is so slow and easy to kill. And her auto attacks feel terrible. She has to be close to her team and the enemy which doesn’t happen bc she dies so easily. Her ult is great tho just cast it on Luna or mantis every time
On a serious note, can we talk about Nixon on Nascar in the twitch chat? What an absolute glazer. Just repeating whatever you say. The meatriding.
Fr 😂😭
I mean twitch chats are infested with demi humans like this lol, like I thought it's common knowledge that most chats in twitch share the same 1 brain cell with the streamer, and people with decent brain capacity only watch and maybe say one thing or 2 every now and then, like have you ever seen xQc and his chat? Literally all share the 1 singular brain cell and it's made funny to see them numbers, makes me feel good when I'm having a bad day, just seeing that there are people like this out there sitting for hours watching a guy Yap unknown language and have brain farts in chats LMAO
@@NoxHelios The most hilarious part is that your comment is literally as devoid of critical thinking, meaning and intelligence as any chat you claim to be.
@@TunaIRL oh really glad I take notes from someone like you, don't worry you probably were targeted, but it wasn't just you don't hold into it okay?
@@NoxHelios Well, proof of the lack of critical thinking is the fact that I don't chat much at all. Yet, you can't imagine someone disagreeing with you without being directly attacked.
I disagree because of what you said. Not because of who you said it to or about. Time to learn the difference.
Not much that is underwhelming in this game because most stuff is so strong. Get good at something and you’ll be rewarded for it.
Don't forget psylocke is the only other 5 star character making her as difficult as spiderman
They are both 5 star but imo psylocke shouldn't really be 5 star, spiderman is infinitely harder to play.
The stars don't mean anything, Spiderman is way harder to learn than psylock
She shouldn't even be 5 star if wer are being honest. 3 maybe 4 at best
Sure if you take everything at face value
She's 5 stars but she ain't hard to play at all. I'd give her 2 or 3 at max
Storm has the lovely combo of feeling slow and predictable while flying, even while on max speed boost amped, so you want to play ranged and cover and poke out, EXCEPT SHE HAS DAMAGE FALLOFF FOR SOME UNGODLY REASON, that starts at just 15m and maxes out at 30m.
Every storm I played against I destroyed as psylock lol she is horrible
How is adam warlock mediocre
mediocre is kinda crazy NGL
warlock is balanced compared to the busted ass healers above him in this game
If I had to guess I would assume because he doesn't have his own escape or peel. I play a lot of Hulk and when I see Adam's I smack my lips bc it's a free meal.
I think bc the other healers have consistent healing at all times, and there's a lot of times when playing him that u need to heal but it's on cd
Lowkey broken if you teamup with mantis and starlord. And if you have loki or racoon you have insane res its genuinely crazy lol
@20:00 Great teir list, Only really disagreeing with the Warlock placement just because he's in like every goddamm game of like every tourney so far. That being said, Psylock isn't invulnerable during ult. When she hits you she appears for a moment, and you can kill her. Obviously it's incredibly difficult, but it's doable!
IMO, there is no actual tier list. Playing Rank/Competitive, I realized that Tank/DPS/Healer characters should be categorized by game mode Convoy/Capture instead of just overall kit of the specific character. What I I'm trying to say is: Take Healing/Support, for example. Luna, Loki, Mantis healing kit and ULTS are more suited for capture modes because players are focused on a stationary objective. Where Adam, Dagger, Rockets'(think how Rockets heals travel) healing are more suited for Convoy where the objective is moving. This same thinking can be applied, especially to tanks.
Watched for your take on Magneto since I main him. Gotta say I wasn’t disappointed.
6:20 News flash: u can use it in the air ( the shield) u just have to tap the button again midair and idk why but its super annoying i hope they make it easier
10:00 You made Groot sound strong, and I agree-I love Groot! He's a solid pick, but his downside is how obvious his defenses can be. Misplaced walls might block your healers or trap your DPS, which can sometimes hurt your team as much as it helps.
First week of playing rank like a week ago, Had a groot block me from entering point because of wall ( Not sure if it was my teammate or enemy but pretty sure it was my teammate ) and I couldn't get in as Mantis. I was stuck being dived on by Hulk + another tank but thankfully I had Q + Kept spamming V ( melee ) to break the wall but couldn't so I tried to slip through this tiny crack on the left. ( Which I managed to do somehow after some time )
I was about to be eliminated if I did not have that Ult ready.. Wish I recorded it as well or went back to replay.
Skill issue
Black widow not one shot is crazy
How can a bow one shot but a 50cal can't 😅
Because "snipers are bad game design and shouldn't be in pvp shooter games," which I disagree.
Yah but the thing is that Black Widow isn’t really a “sniper.” She can defend herself in close combat with the right combo; compared to Hawkeye. The Ult of slowing people down on the field is useful in some situations but just not all.
If anything, she could be a strategist but just without heal.
As a hero, she’s not bad. It depends on who plays her.
@@samuelmartinez6344 " which I disagree."
As someone who predominantly plays snipers in games:
Snipers are almost always the *worst* designed class/hero/whatever in the game.
@@SidewaysGts agree, ability to oneshot with no counterplay at any distance, except "sniper is not the best", is leads to unplayable state of high skill level games
@@sunset-cityHawkeye doesn't need to combo tho, he's the same as Hanzo where his threat and pressure is the same regardless of distance; he can one shot you whether you're across the map or in his face
Honestly a good storm is the scariest shit I’ve ever had to fight
Hey Bogur! I think you nailed this tier list this time, But I really think you forgot one of the Current meta characters. You didn't mention Bruce Banner at all, and considering he's Meta right now I feel like that's a big blunder. Again, Great Video and hope you fix this error in the next one!
best tier list i’ve seen so far
I remember seeing this tweet about iron fist, jeff and Scarlett being referred as Htler, Stalin and Mussolini and now that everyone knows how to play against them nobody cares about them on high Elo 😂
Also jeff cant ult punisher if he clicks to turret form btw jeffs ult cant ult the turret idk why 🤷🏻
Magneto should be meta cuz his ult is just a giant middlefinger to any offensive ult like punishers or iron mans.
I think punisher ult overwhelms magneto ult and can still dmg him? Unless it was a bug
It doesn't work well on Punisher's at all, it can be overloaded by too much damage, which against Punisher's ult is basically a nanosecond.
Magneto ult is easily snuffed out by punisher, star lord ult, doesn’t have enough cast time to fully deal with hela ult, better off playing around cover and using shield and bubble to by time, imo it’s best used countering support ults and dunking on a well timed Jeff ult to save your team or expiring Luna ult never gets old
Hate that the overloading is a thing.
Until you shoot it and it's gone
As a widow main, I can’t help but agree with you. It doesn’t even matter if I get svp or ace, if I’m not SIGNIFICANTLY carrying my team I’m getting flamed.
As you should for playing snipers
@@rumovonzamonien but if I was Hela, nobody says anything😠
@@uncletone3296 They should honestly
LOGANG!!!!!!!!
This is hilarious and amazing at once.
Swear to god bro watched 4 different tier lists today, if I took a shot every time someone mentioned Necros when they bring up spidey, I'd have taken 4 shots. 100% mention rate whenver spidey comes up. Damn I wanna be like HIM this guys got that DOG in him if everyone is glazing him
I like how Team Captain just changed everyone's tier lists single handedly. 😂
Necros still malding into oblivion somewhere.
I definitely think Storm is misunderstood rn. She's fantastic when played like a lucio, you spam corridors and corners to farm ult charge by flying at the same height as the enemy team always, damage aura helps the team when poking, speed aura helps make rotations, her speed amp is a fantastic tool to catch enemies that have over extended since it also slows by 15% and her ult is a great counter initiate just like lucio, except it does it through killing their backline instead of shielding yours
Nah bro she is a floating gas balloon with wet noodle DMG ( except her ult) they nerfed her support buffs way too much they are irrelevant, I don't see why I would play storm if I could have a mantis that boosts my team better a I be iron man, dealing more DMG and flying better, she needs help.
@@NoxHeliosbecause storm does both. She’s still too weak but having utility and damage is intresting.But also storm is nesscary for goats
@NoxHelios you kinda just proved my point about her being misunderstood. I made comparisons to Lucio and mentioned her speed aura BECAUSE they are the strongest part of her kit yet still get constantly overlooked because she doesn't do as much flat dps as other duelists (assuming you have people you can communicate with). It's the most unique part of her kit and is THE reason to pick her.
@@legendaryzan1100 buddy you gaslight yourself, did you even read my comment?? i said that her AURA buffs the speed and and the dmg boost are so low they are irrelevent a mantis does bettter job at boosting than storm do, she got heavily nerfed go actually read on their website and look for yourself instead of lying to yourself and beleiving it .
@NoxHelios I know the numbers, an aoe 8% passive boost is definitely not irrelevant when compared to a 12% boost tied to a resource, plus Storm can go even higher than mantis at 15% when amped. Not to mention mantis only has a move speed buff during ult which makes it less reliable over a whole match.
I feel like Rivals has given bogur a new lease of life. So glad you’re enjoying the game and streaming again my dude
Its crazy seeing NA and EU playing catch up when we knew the exact meta week 1 of asia playtest
Is it crazy or is it completely logical and unsurprising that the people who got to play early knew information sooner?
@@xDjembexeveryone got to play test, in asia they think more tactically and longterm instead of short term
Ha Ha China Numba Won
Damn bro so crazy, nobody asked
@@fenderpleb2942lol
bogur has to be joking about iron first. XD
I agree storm is really bad and restricted because of effective range circle that i HOPE they rework her entirely. its like they tried to make a flying lucio but forgot why season 0 lucio was bad and every season after that until they increased his wallride speed, and the ability to jump off walls and keep momentum so he can actually get around the map quick enough to be with his teammates in different positions. xD
Storm. Favorite character, arguably second worst character in the game.
Separate rank per character and no swapping in game would be my ideal.
The LOGANG has threatened this man to make this tierlist. Don't trust it.
@ 29:37 Bogur says hulk's shield is infinite hp but he is incorrect. Hulk gets a 250 hp shield and his teammates get 100 hp shields. Just to let the ppl know
I think that he means the bubble can block an infinite amount of instant damage, such as Scarlet Witch’s ult
Iron is so slept on, with his beam alone he can melt doctor strange shield and destroy hela in his ult state. When Ultron will come, my man is gonna be meta frr.